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- Posted on: Wed, 02/17/2016 - 8:08am #62805
high floorParticipantDetroit’s motivation to trade for Tobias Harris is easier to understand than Orlando’s. They had shown interest in Harris this past offseason, but they likely knew that Orlando would match any offers for Harris during RFA & did not want to tie up their cap space on a lost cause. Now they have a guy whose age, contract status, and skill set (debatable.. I know) matches the identity and timetable of Detroit as they take the next step in the development.
However, is Harris really worth 16 million per year even with the cap rising? He regressed this year from the 3 pt arc (31%) and has been roasted on defense at both the SF and PF position the past 20+ games. I think Tobias means well, is a good person, and wants to be a team player, but his game hasn’t lended itself to winning basketball. I’m very interested to see if SVG can get more out of Harris than Skiles has this year.
Even with my questions surrounding Detroit though, I think they were the clear winner in this transaction.
Orlando: Is this really the best return you could have received? Middling veterans that will likely just lead to cap relief this offseason and still no playoff appearence? GM Rob Hennigan seems like a "due dilligence" kind of guy, but this is a puzzling deal from their perspective. Brandon Jennings does not fit this team at all, and will only steal valuable minutes from Elfrid Payton. Ersan will only work as a back up due to defensive limitations paired with Vucevic. Plus I feel strongly that Aaron Gordon needs the lion’s share of minutes at PF moving forward, not Ilyasova.
What do you all think? Should Orlando have looked for a different package than this one?
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/17/2016 - 8:23am #1043240
Robb_CParticipantI think Harris lost motivation in Orlando, which can explain his poor effort this season.. Orlando needs scoring badly and need guys that can shoot, I’m sure Orlando wanted to find a better offer for Harris, but I bet Detroit feared of losed Orlando into the deal *Meaning Detroit was threatening to move Jennings and Ersan elsewhere if The Magic made them wait.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/17/2016 - 8:23am #1043379
Robb_CParticipantI think Harris lost motivation in Orlando, which can explain his poor effort this season.. Orlando needs scoring badly and need guys that can shoot, I’m sure Orlando wanted to find a better offer for Harris, but I bet Detroit feared of losed Orlando into the deal *Meaning Detroit was threatening to move Jennings and Ersan elsewhere if The Magic made them wait.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/17/2016 - 9:09am #1043248
KDThunder35ParticipantGreat move by the Magic and weird move by the Pistons in my opinion. The Magic have half a season to decide if Jennings or Ersan can be difference makers on their team. If they don’t pan out, don’t resign them. They both have skillsets that the current Magic team doesn’t have, Brandon an outside shooting, scoring point guard, and Ersan is a stretch 4 that can play some minutes while allowing their future 4 guy, Aaron Gordon, grow.
For the Pistons this made the least sense to me. You just drafted Stanley Johnson, who is a two way player that can produce when he is given minutes. Stanley is a guy you want to keep in your organization as he is a team type of guy, hard working, high character type. Marcus Morris has been playing great for the Pistons for what they are paying him. Tobias and Morris are very similar players, obiviously Tobias is a little better, but he is also a lot pricier. Unless the Pistons are committing to using Tobias and Marcus at the four spot, surrounding Drummond with space creators, then it starts to make some sense. However, both Morris and Harris have a hard time guarding Power Forwards, so they will have a weak spot defensively there. I was hoping Stanley Johson would be given more time on the floor to continue to improve and get more experience, but trading for Tobias may have been a hinderance to his growth.
0- Posted on: Wed, 02/17/2016 - 9:26am #1043254
ChoppyParticipantWhen you look at the Detroit situation in terms of minutes and roles rather than positions it makes a bit more sense. Morris and Harris are almost interchangeable pieces and can switch defensive assignments without losing a beat. Harris will take the minutes Ilyasova played leaving Johnson with the same minutes he had before. Potentially more now, if SVG wants to reduce the wear and tear on KCP and Morris by reducing their minutes.
Also, with Jennings gone, I now see a role for Johnson to take on much more responsibility as a playmaker off the bench. SVG has been using him in this role a lot more in recent games.
I don’t see Stanley starting but this trade consolidates his position and expands his role.
0- Posted on: Wed, 02/17/2016 - 9:39am #1043256
KDThunder35ParticipantI understand with what you are saying with Stanley getting more minutes as a playmaker, and that’s a very good point. However, Tobias coming in actually will be eating up more minutes at the 3/4 position because he is way more reliable than Ersan, so I can’t agree with your point there. And Morris and Tobias being able to switch without skipping a beat makes sense, however they both can’t defend a 3 or a 4 so switching is basically a moot point as a positive.
Back to the point you made about Stanley being more of a creator, which I’m in favor of for his offensive development, is who else can create shots for others on that second team now? With Jennings gone, their backcourt is scoring/creating deficient. Steve Blake can move the ball for sure, but he isn’t a reliable threat to be a scorer if you back off of him and close his penetration gaps. I think Stanley can be a little overwhelmed with this type of role.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/17/2016 - 9:39am #1043395
KDThunder35ParticipantI understand with what you are saying with Stanley getting more minutes as a playmaker, and that’s a very good point. However, Tobias coming in actually will be eating up more minutes at the 3/4 position because he is way more reliable than Ersan, so I can’t agree with your point there. And Morris and Tobias being able to switch without skipping a beat makes sense, however they both can’t defend a 3 or a 4 so switching is basically a moot point as a positive.
Back to the point you made about Stanley being more of a creator, which I’m in favor of for his offensive development, is who else can create shots for others on that second team now? With Jennings gone, their backcourt is scoring/creating deficient. Steve Blake can move the ball for sure, but he isn’t a reliable threat to be a scorer if you back off of him and close his penetration gaps. I think Stanley can be a little overwhelmed with this type of role.
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- Posted on: Wed, 02/17/2016 - 9:26am #1043393
ChoppyParticipantWhen you look at the Detroit situation in terms of minutes and roles rather than positions it makes a bit more sense. Morris and Harris are almost interchangeable pieces and can switch defensive assignments without losing a beat. Harris will take the minutes Ilyasova played leaving Johnson with the same minutes he had before. Potentially more now, if SVG wants to reduce the wear and tear on KCP and Morris by reducing their minutes.
Also, with Jennings gone, I now see a role for Johnson to take on much more responsibility as a playmaker off the bench. SVG has been using him in this role a lot more in recent games.
I don’t see Stanley starting but this trade consolidates his position and expands his role.
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- Posted on: Wed, 02/17/2016 - 9:09am #1043387
KDThunder35ParticipantGreat move by the Magic and weird move by the Pistons in my opinion. The Magic have half a season to decide if Jennings or Ersan can be difference makers on their team. If they don’t pan out, don’t resign them. They both have skillsets that the current Magic team doesn’t have, Brandon an outside shooting, scoring point guard, and Ersan is a stretch 4 that can play some minutes while allowing their future 4 guy, Aaron Gordon, grow.
For the Pistons this made the least sense to me. You just drafted Stanley Johnson, who is a two way player that can produce when he is given minutes. Stanley is a guy you want to keep in your organization as he is a team type of guy, hard working, high character type. Marcus Morris has been playing great for the Pistons for what they are paying him. Tobias and Morris are very similar players, obiviously Tobias is a little better, but he is also a lot pricier. Unless the Pistons are committing to using Tobias and Marcus at the four spot, surrounding Drummond with space creators, then it starts to make some sense. However, both Morris and Harris have a hard time guarding Power Forwards, so they will have a weak spot defensively there. I was hoping Stanley Johson would be given more time on the floor to continue to improve and get more experience, but trading for Tobias may have been a hinderance to his growth.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/17/2016 - 11:34am #1043270
ChoppyParticipantI was factoring in Stanley getting minutes at the 2 as well spelling KCP. He’s playing too many minutes to be effective and he just broke down for the first time in his career. Assuming that Harris and Morris start, I can see Stanley first off the bench when one of them sits, with the other sliding to the 4 if necessary. I actually see Tollivers minutes declining rather than Johnsons.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/17/2016 - 11:34am #1043409
ChoppyParticipantI was factoring in Stanley getting minutes at the 2 as well spelling KCP. He’s playing too many minutes to be effective and he just broke down for the first time in his career. Assuming that Harris and Morris start, I can see Stanley first off the bench when one of them sits, with the other sliding to the 4 if necessary. I actually see Tollivers minutes declining rather than Johnsons.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/17/2016 - 12:00pm #1043276
SubZeroParticipantSo I guess this trade means no more backboard oops from Jennings to Drummond
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/17/2016 - 12:00pm #1043415
SubZeroParticipantSo I guess this trade means no more backboard oops from Jennings to Drummond
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/17/2016 - 12:46pm #1043280
BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipantOne of the bigger unknowns was what kind of relationship existed between Skiles and Harris. The two were in Milwaukee together, and Harris was dealt in his second season after not really fitting in. With an Orlando team that still has issues with so many of its young players struggling to consistently shoot, was it easier for Harris to be the odd man out?
I think Detroit is gambling on him in the hopes that he can gain confidence and consistency. Still, it is a lot of money for a guy who is still somewhat of an unknown.
0- Posted on: Wed, 02/17/2016 - 1:40pm #1043288
ChoppyParticipantWho else were they going to get? Free agents typically don’t go to Detroit and Harris is locked in with a front loaded deal (pays 14.8M or something like that in his final season which will look much better with expanding cap).
Good no brainer deal in my opinion. Still leaves them with around 12-13M to spend on a role player in the off season.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/17/2016 - 1:40pm #1043427
ChoppyParticipantWho else were they going to get? Free agents typically don’t go to Detroit and Harris is locked in with a front loaded deal (pays 14.8M or something like that in his final season which will look much better with expanding cap).
Good no brainer deal in my opinion. Still leaves them with around 12-13M to spend on a role player in the off season.
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- Posted on: Wed, 02/17/2016 - 12:46pm #1043419
BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipantOne of the bigger unknowns was what kind of relationship existed between Skiles and Harris. The two were in Milwaukee together, and Harris was dealt in his second season after not really fitting in. With an Orlando team that still has issues with so many of its young players struggling to consistently shoot, was it easier for Harris to be the odd man out?
I think Detroit is gambling on him in the hopes that he can gain confidence and consistency. Still, it is a lot of money for a guy who is still somewhat of an unknown.
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