Brandon Ingram

 Don’t you think he can improve more by being a full time professional than a college player? He will play big time minutes from day one in the NBA, that much is for sure. Nobody plays top 2 pick less than 25 minutes per game, and his first big contract will come a year earlier. Really no reason for him to stay in school, he’s a guaranteed top pick this year. It all depends on him, the way he will play and progress in the league, nothing else matters, and certainly not age as we’ve seen numerous times in the past.

 Don’t you think he can improve more by being a full time professional than a college player? He will play big time minutes from day one in the NBA, that much is for sure. Nobody plays top 2 pick less than 25 minutes per game, and his first big contract will come a year earlier. Really no reason for him to stay in school, he’s a guaranteed top pick this year. It all depends on him, the way he will play and progress in the league, nothing else matters, and certainly not age as we’ve seen numerous times in the past.

Cant the same be said for Ben Simmons?

Cant the same be said for Ben Simmons?

young players will always have things they need to work on, and staying doesn’t guarantee you will get better at it especially playing against lesser quality opponents.

young players will always have things they need to work on, and staying doesn’t guarantee you will get better at it especially playing against lesser quality opponents.

 Brandon Ingram is talented and has a lot potential.  He will not come back to Duke next year.  If he is a guaranteed top five pick then he’s as good as gone.  I think he’s in for a rude awakening at the next level.  I have said before he is nowhere near the type of player Kevin Durant is.  He will be drafted second probably and get plenty of minutes and be a millionaire.  He will quickly realize he will not be the quickest, longest most athletic player every night in the NBA.  He’s a good, not great athlete.  I would anticipate a very rough rookie season for him.  He will also realize those little spins that he does after almost every drive where he throws up a lot of wild, random shots over smaller defenders at the college level will end up on the second row at the NBA level.  He desperatley needs to gain strength.  The NBA is an 82 game grind and you have many back to backs, unlike college where you play a 35 games in a season.  I just don’t see Ingram making a huge impact in the league next year. 

 Brandon Ingram is talented and has a lot potential.  He will not come back to Duke next year.  If he is a guaranteed top five pick then he’s as good as gone.  I think he’s in for a rude awakening at the next level.  I have said before he is nowhere near the type of player Kevin Durant is.  He will be drafted second probably and get plenty of minutes and be a millionaire.  He will quickly realize he will not be the quickest, longest most athletic player every night in the NBA.  He’s a good, not great athlete.  I would anticipate a very rough rookie season for him.  He will also realize those little spins that he does after almost every drive where he throws up a lot of wild, random shots over smaller defenders at the college level will end up on the second row at the NBA level.  He desperatley needs to gain strength.  The NBA is an 82 game grind and you have many back to backs, unlike college where you play a 35 games in a season.  I just don’t see Ingram making a huge impact in the league next year. 

 Ingram is much quicker/more athletic than Durant was at the same age. Just look at Durant’s rookie highlights. He was fairly heavy footed, and not a quick twitch athlete like Ingram is.

Ingram is the most complete, and most exciting prospect I’ve seen since LeBron.

It’s crazy how slow most people are to understanding how good he is. And at barely 18, he’s probably still growing.

This thread is the most half baked, ignorant, Simmons bandwagon jumping piece of garbage I’ve seen in some time.

Everything great about Ingram is spun into a negative, to the point that – lol – Ingram should stay in school because he might not play like the face of a franchise in his first couple weeks of his rookie season, or – gasp – most/all of his rookie season.

I think OP should go back to school, not Ingram.

It’s absurd how much the hype machine influences people’s opinions of prospects. Ingram isn’t Simmons, and Simmons played better the first 2-3 weeks of the (non-conference) season, and everybody just rushed to make up their mind that Simmons is on a much higher level than Ingram.

Recall last year when the sheeple decided in November/December that there was Okafor and Towns, and then everybody else way below them. People dismissed Porzingis without even studying his tape, all because his name wasn’t Okafor or Towns.

Then in December the idiot masses declared that the top 3 were Okafor, Towns, and Russell, in no order, with Mudiay right behind those guys and everybody else was clearly inferior to those 4. Not that people even knew who Porzingis was, but Porzingis was still easily dismissed as a second tier prospect.

Now everybody acts like they knew Porzingis was a unicorn, when they so glibbly dismissed him just 6 months ago, even after summer league.

If the TV doesn’t tell fans that a prospect is freaking amazing, they will rigidly refuse to believe it, even when that prospect is 7’3" with a 9’6" standing reach and a 7’6" wingspan.

Now Ingram, with the most complete package of tools and skills to come along since LeBron, is dismissed as clearly a second tier prospect to Simmons. All because Ingram started out the season slowly, and the Steven A Smiths of the world already made up their minds in late November.

 Ingram is much quicker/more athletic than Durant was at the same age. Just look at Durant’s rookie highlights. He was fairly heavy footed, and not a quick twitch athlete like Ingram is.

Ingram is the most complete, and most exciting prospect I’ve seen since LeBron.

It’s crazy how slow most people are to understanding how good he is. And at barely 18, he’s probably still growing.

This thread is the most half baked, ignorant, Simmons bandwagon jumping piece of garbage I’ve seen in some time.

Everything great about Ingram is spun into a negative, to the point that – lol – Ingram should stay in school because he might not play like the face of a franchise in his first couple weeks of his rookie season, or – gasp – most/all of his rookie season.

I think OP should go back to school, not Ingram.

It’s absurd how much the hype machine influences people’s opinions of prospects. Ingram isn’t Simmons, and Simmons played better the first 2-3 weeks of the (non-conference) season, and everybody just rushed to make up their mind that Simmons is on a much higher level than Ingram.

Recall last year when the sheeple decided in November/December that there was Okafor and Towns, and then everybody else way below them. People dismissed Porzingis without even studying his tape, all because his name wasn’t Okafor or Towns.

Then in December the idiot masses declared that the top 3 were Okafor, Towns, and Russell, in no order, with Mudiay right behind those guys and everybody else was clearly inferior to those 4. Not that people even knew who Porzingis was, but Porzingis was still easily dismissed as a second tier prospect.

Now everybody acts like they knew Porzingis was a unicorn, when they so glibbly dismissed him just 6 months ago, even after summer league.

If the TV doesn’t tell fans that a prospect is freaking amazing, they will rigidly refuse to believe it, even when that prospect is 7’3" with a 9’6" standing reach and a 7’6" wingspan.

Now Ingram, with the most complete package of tools and skills to come along since LeBron, is dismissed as clearly a second tier prospect to Simmons. All because Ingram started out the season slowly, and the Steven A Smiths of the world already made up their minds in late November.

 If you guys aren’t going to watch the Duke games, at least watch some Ingram highlight clips before you dismiss another all time great prospect as nothing special. 

Before you embarrass yourselves any more.

http://www.youtube.com/watch

 If you guys aren’t going to watch the Duke games, at least watch some Ingram highlight clips before you dismiss another all time great prospect as nothing special. 

Before you embarrass yourselves any more.

http://www.youtube.com/watch

 It’s absurd how a tubby tweener like Jabari Parker got so hyped around here, but Ingram only has a couple true believers.

 It’s absurd how a tubby tweener like Jabari Parker got so hyped around here, but Ingram only has a couple true believers.

 Ingram and Durant both have September birthdays, and both entered college basically a year early, at 17 years of age when the academic year started.

Durant, after his freshman season, at 18 and a half years old, measured out with a 9’2" standing reach and a 26" standing vertical leap at his draft combine.

That 26" standing vert should give you some idea that Durant was significantly less explosive/athletic than Ingram is now. Durant’s standing vert reach was 11’4", though his max vert reach was a more impressive 11’11.5" due to a 33.5" max vert leap.

Ingram already measured out at a 9’1.5" standing reach, and that was as a 17 year old last summer. Ingram will almost certainly gain the extra half inch needed to match Durant’s 9’2" standing reach by next summer.

And I can guarantee you Ingram’s standing vert leap will be a lot higher than 26" like Durant.

So what we’re looking at here in Ingram is a kid as long or longer than any wing in the NBA.

Durant and Paul George are the only comparisons for standing reach. That’s pretty good company.

And unlike Durant, Ingram should be able to play SG in the NBA for more than a couple years, because Ingram is simply a better, and much lighter athlete than Durant.

Would Durant have been as good or better if he was a little more explosive and if he had kept his weight down to 215 lbs? As much of a mismatch as Durant is at SF, Ingram is much more of a mismatch at SG, and just as much of a mismatch as Durant at SF.

 Ingram and Durant both have September birthdays, and both entered college basically a year early, at 17 years of age when the academic year started.

Durant, after his freshman season, at 18 and a half years old, measured out with a 9’2" standing reach and a 26" standing vertical leap at his draft combine.

That 26" standing vert should give you some idea that Durant was significantly less explosive/athletic than Ingram is now. Durant’s standing vert reach was 11’4", though his max vert reach was a more impressive 11’11.5" due to a 33.5" max vert leap.

Ingram already measured out at a 9’1.5" standing reach, and that was as a 17 year old last summer. Ingram will almost certainly gain the extra half inch needed to match Durant’s 9’2" standing reach by next summer.

And I can guarantee you Ingram’s standing vert leap will be a lot higher than 26" like Durant.

So what we’re looking at here in Ingram is a kid as long or longer than any wing in the NBA.

Durant and Paul George are the only comparisons for standing reach. That’s pretty good company.

And unlike Durant, Ingram should be able to play SG in the NBA for more than a couple years, because Ingram is simply a better, and much lighter athlete than Durant.

Would Durant have been as good or better if he was a little more explosive and if he had kept his weight down to 215 lbs? As much of a mismatch as Durant is at SF, Ingram is much more of a mismatch at SG, and just as much of a mismatch as Durant at SF.

 Durant, like Simmons, went to a non-elite program where they could be the big fish in a small pond.

Ingram went to Duke because he wanted to win more than he wanted to stuff stats.

So Ingram is shooting 6 less FGAs per game than Durant did at Texas, but he’s shooting the same %s.

Freshman stat comparison, Ingram Vs Durant:

Durant FG% 47.3%, Ingram 47.4%. Identical.

Durant 2 pt FG% 50.5%, Ingram 52.1%

Durant 3 pt FG% 40.4% on 5.8 attempts per game, Ingram 40.7% on 5.1 attempts per game.

Ingram is shooting slightly better %s than Durant from all areas of the floor.

He’s just taking less FGAs per game because he’s on a stacked team.

Durant TS% 59%, Ingram 58%

Durant Effective FG% 54%, Ingram 56%

Durant also got to the line a lot more than Ingram, but again that’s partly because Durant had the ball in his hands all the time. Durant was a better FT shooter and a much better rebounder, but otherwise Ingram is matching or beating Durant’s shooting stats and advanced shooting stats like True Shooting and EFG%.

And yet Ingram is completely underhyped, and considered much less of a prospect than Durant.

It’s a bunch of BS.

 Durant, like Simmons, went to a non-elite program where they could be the big fish in a small pond.

Ingram went to Duke because he wanted to win more than he wanted to stuff stats.

So Ingram is shooting 6 less FGAs per game than Durant did at Texas, but he’s shooting the same %s.

Freshman stat comparison, Ingram Vs Durant:

Durant FG% 47.3%, Ingram 47.4%. Identical.

Durant 2 pt FG% 50.5%, Ingram 52.1%

Durant 3 pt FG% 40.4% on 5.8 attempts per game, Ingram 40.7% on 5.1 attempts per game.

Ingram is shooting slightly better %s than Durant from all areas of the floor.

He’s just taking less FGAs per game because he’s on a stacked team.

Durant TS% 59%, Ingram 58%

Durant Effective FG% 54%, Ingram 56%

Durant also got to the line a lot more than Ingram, but again that’s partly because Durant had the ball in his hands all the time. Durant was a better FT shooter and a much better rebounder, but otherwise Ingram is matching or beating Durant’s shooting stats and advanced shooting stats like True Shooting and EFG%.

And yet Ingram is completely underhyped, and considered much less of a prospect than Durant.

It’s a bunch of BS.

 Here’s an in-depth scouting video about how Ingram compares favorably to Ben Simmons and Kevin Durant

http://www.youtube.com/watch

 Here’s an in-depth scouting video about how Ingram compares favorably to Ben Simmons and Kevin Durant

http://www.youtube.com/watch

 All players would be helped by more college years, but the money is too big and that is why they leave quickly.  Duncan stayed four years, if more players were like him it would be better for basketball, but that will rarely happen again.

 All players would be helped by more college years, but the money is too big and that is why they leave quickly.  Duncan stayed four years, if more players were like him it would be better for basketball, but that will rarely happen again.

KD was definitely considered a shooter when he was drafted and played SG for a couple of seasons until he filled out and got used to the NBA. His comparison on a number of sites was Rashard Lewis whose main strength was his shooting ability across his NBA career.

KD was definitely considered a shooter when he was drafted and played SG for a couple of seasons until he filled out and got used to the NBA. His comparison on a number of sites was Rashard Lewis whose main strength was his shooting ability across his NBA career.