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- Posted on: Sun, 02/07/2016 - 7:27am #62698
TONYDABOSS77ParticipantIt makes me so mad watching tha Lakers because I just see Byron Russell ruining this young guy. I think he’s a complete stud, but Byron is ruining him. He says things like "I’m just trying to save him from getting 5, 10, 12 turnovers." WTF??? If he gets 30 turnovers, whats tha problem??? You’re going to lose? You’re already losing.
At some point, you have to give him tha keys & let him run. He’s talented enough & smart enough to get through slumps. I think Russell struggles alot because he’s always looking over his shoulder ready for tha yank. If he were told, "You’re playing 35 minutes a game & you’re going to grow up.", I think he’d show great signs. He sees tha floor so well, he seems like he sees tha game a few steps ahead of most guys.
I know Byron said that he has to earn it & that even Kobe came off tha bench, but Kobe wasn’t tha 2nd pick. He was tha 13th pick. People knew he had potential, but nobody really knew he would one day avg 35 & win 5 rings.
If I were a team, I’d try to steal Russell away from tha Lakers while tha stock is supposedly down.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 02/07/2016 - 7:43am #1041263
BlazermannParticipantByron is gonna be replace by Luke Walton soon don’t worry lol
0 - Posted on: Sun, 02/07/2016 - 7:43am #1041400
BlazermannParticipantByron is gonna be replace by Luke Walton soon don’t worry lol
0 - Posted on: Sun, 02/07/2016 - 7:47am #1041267
TONYDABOSS77ParticipantByron Scott..sorry
0 - Posted on: Sun, 02/07/2016 - 7:47am #1041404
TONYDABOSS77ParticipantByron Scott..sorry
0 - Posted on: Sun, 02/07/2016 - 7:57am #1041408
ballislyfe25ParticipantByron does seem clueless most of the time and I’d love to see him gone after this year. However, Russell is only 19 and Byron is really just demanding defense and ball control from him and Russell has definitely improved over the course of just a few months. I think behind the scenes, the team invests a lot of developmental hours in him and coaches him hard, which will pay off sooner than expected and in the long run.
The thing that gets annoying with Scott, aside from not giving him 30-35 mpg, is when he tells the media Russell is "not where I thought he would be at this point in the season." He always covers himself by acknowledging that Russell is only 19 but why even say anything negative about him to the media, especially in LA?
As a Lakers fan, I was happy with the Russell pick and still am, even though I see every Knicks game and what Porzingis is doing. D’Angelo can shoot with accuracy from all 3 levels, pass, dribble, and even breaks out a post move every once in a while. We have a player who could be a starter for us for the next 10 years and, depending on the roster, could realistically be a 20-5-5 player sooner rather than later.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 02/07/2016 - 7:57am #1041271
ballislyfe25ParticipantByron does seem clueless most of the time and I’d love to see him gone after this year. However, Russell is only 19 and Byron is really just demanding defense and ball control from him and Russell has definitely improved over the course of just a few months. I think behind the scenes, the team invests a lot of developmental hours in him and coaches him hard, which will pay off sooner than expected and in the long run.
The thing that gets annoying with Scott, aside from not giving him 30-35 mpg, is when he tells the media Russell is "not where I thought he would be at this point in the season." He always covers himself by acknowledging that Russell is only 19 but why even say anything negative about him to the media, especially in LA?
As a Lakers fan, I was happy with the Russell pick and still am, even though I see every Knicks game and what Porzingis is doing. D’Angelo can shoot with accuracy from all 3 levels, pass, dribble, and even breaks out a post move every once in a while. We have a player who could be a starter for us for the next 10 years and, depending on the roster, could realistically be a 20-5-5 player sooner rather than later.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 02/07/2016 - 8:13am #1041412
TONYDABOSS77ParticipantExactly! I couldn’t have said it any better myself…
0 - Posted on: Sun, 02/07/2016 - 8:13am #1041275
TONYDABOSS77ParticipantExactly! I couldn’t have said it any better myself…
0 - Posted on: Sun, 02/07/2016 - 8:23am #1041416
Magic JordanParticipantI can’t imagine the joy and freedom the young Lakers will experience when they get a new coach, hopefully Luke Walton.
Scott has not moved looked at himself as a reason the Lakers suck. It’s always the players fault. Not his terrible defensive plan, or his no easy bucket offense. All the players just need to man up. Don’t get me wrong, the Lakers would still suck, but at least their product would be alot more enjoyable.
I had accepted Scott as the coach for the remainder of the season, because when you’re trying to not lose your pick. Having a coach like Scott goes along way. But now Kobe is trying to shoot then out of 2nd worst spot, and its almost working! Nothing can go right this year.
I wish the Lakers would move Lou Williams and Brandon Bass to the Nets for basically nothing. Give them some better bench players who could maybe secure them a few extra wins. Plus would give more time to Russell and Randle/Nance.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 02/07/2016 - 8:23am #1041279
Magic JordanParticipantI can’t imagine the joy and freedom the young Lakers will experience when they get a new coach, hopefully Luke Walton.
Scott has not moved looked at himself as a reason the Lakers suck. It’s always the players fault. Not his terrible defensive plan, or his no easy bucket offense. All the players just need to man up. Don’t get me wrong, the Lakers would still suck, but at least their product would be alot more enjoyable.
I had accepted Scott as the coach for the remainder of the season, because when you’re trying to not lose your pick. Having a coach like Scott goes along way. But now Kobe is trying to shoot then out of 2nd worst spot, and its almost working! Nothing can go right this year.
I wish the Lakers would move Lou Williams and Brandon Bass to the Nets for basically nothing. Give them some better bench players who could maybe secure them a few extra wins. Plus would give more time to Russell and Randle/Nance.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 02/07/2016 - 8:45am #1041420
llperezByron Scott stated over a week ago that Russell will start and finish every game after the all star break.
He starts randle, nance and brown when Kobe is out who are all rookies. But he felt Russell had a poor attitude and didn’t show enough focus on defense the first month the season when he was in the starting lineup, so he has punished him by taking away minutes. But he is well aware he needs to centrally be given the keys and he has said his intention all along was to give him that after the all star break.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 02/07/2016 - 8:45am #1041283
llperezByron Scott stated over a week ago that Russell will start and finish every game after the all star break.
He starts randle, nance and brown when Kobe is out who are all rookies. But he felt Russell had a poor attitude and didn’t show enough focus on defense the first month the season when he was in the starting lineup, so he has punished him by taking away minutes. But he is well aware he needs to centrally be given the keys and he has said his intention all along was to give him that after the all star break.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 02/07/2016 - 9:17am #1041436
MopgrassParticipantScott keeps talking about keeping D’Angelo’s ego in check and that he has a problem with his sense of entitlement. To be fair, people on here were saying D’Angelo was a huge mistake and you don’t hear that anymore because he’s showing flashes of how good he can be. I’m not wild about Scott, but some of his strategy might be working. D’Angelo, now, doesn’t look slow, gets to the rack effectively, posts up, and has been shooting 44% over the last month or so (pretty solid for a rookie PG).
The most concerning part is the communication between the 2. Russell said he wouldn’t know what to ask Scott and Scott said,“He’s not old enough for me to have a meeting and discuss.” Sounds like a great way to teach someone nothing unless Scott just wants Russell to spin his wheels very hard trying to impress him. From what I know of teaching, this feels like old school teaching, the kind that has been proven ineffective. They don’t like each other. They don’t want to talk to each other. How childish.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 02/07/2016 - 9:17am #1041299
MopgrassParticipantScott keeps talking about keeping D’Angelo’s ego in check and that he has a problem with his sense of entitlement. To be fair, people on here were saying D’Angelo was a huge mistake and you don’t hear that anymore because he’s showing flashes of how good he can be. I’m not wild about Scott, but some of his strategy might be working. D’Angelo, now, doesn’t look slow, gets to the rack effectively, posts up, and has been shooting 44% over the last month or so (pretty solid for a rookie PG).
The most concerning part is the communication between the 2. Russell said he wouldn’t know what to ask Scott and Scott said,“He’s not old enough for me to have a meeting and discuss.” Sounds like a great way to teach someone nothing unless Scott just wants Russell to spin his wheels very hard trying to impress him. From what I know of teaching, this feels like old school teaching, the kind that has been proven ineffective. They don’t like each other. They don’t want to talk to each other. How childish.
0- Posted on: Sun, 02/07/2016 - 10:22am #1041440
llperezkeep in mind scott gave Russell the keys to the team from day one. Russell started right out of the gates in preseason and to open the season starting 22 of the first 24 games. Deangelo lost that role later on when Byron didn’t like what he saw. Scott has also started rookies in randle, nance and Anthony brown without hesitation so its clearly not just about being a rookie.
Scott has been openly critical of Russell and has not tried to coddle him. I don’t know which is the best way to help Russell grow, I don’t think there is a simple black and white answer for every player. Some of it might help and some of it might just slow things down. keep in mind kobe has said just recently that he hated his rookie coach del harris who kept him on the bench but he fully admits that in hindsite it probably helped him mature at a young age.
Scott’s biggest issue with Russell has been defense. I don’t think you simply play through defensive mistakes. Sometimes seeing minutes taken away is necessary for a 19 year old rookie to understand that he has to work for things.
in 22 games as a starter Russell averaged 11.6ppg on 40% shooting while off the bench he has averaged 12.6ppg on 44% shooting so clearly he hasn’t had his offensive efficiency drop.
For all the ridicule scott gets, guess what guys, the team sucks. Scott has taken past teams to the nba finals and has won 2 conference championships with the nets then went to new Orleans where he finished with 56 wins and one game away from advancing to the western conference finals. He did that while coaching two of the greatest pg’s in nba history in chris paul and Jason kidd. He also won multiple titles while playing with magic Johnson. nobody in the entire nba has as close to the experience that Byron scott has working with elite point gaurds. Maybe thats why he holds Russell to such a high standard.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 02/07/2016 - 10:22am #1041303
llperezkeep in mind scott gave Russell the keys to the team from day one. Russell started right out of the gates in preseason and to open the season starting 22 of the first 24 games. Deangelo lost that role later on when Byron didn’t like what he saw. Scott has also started rookies in randle, nance and Anthony brown without hesitation so its clearly not just about being a rookie.
Scott has been openly critical of Russell and has not tried to coddle him. I don’t know which is the best way to help Russell grow, I don’t think there is a simple black and white answer for every player. Some of it might help and some of it might just slow things down. keep in mind kobe has said just recently that he hated his rookie coach del harris who kept him on the bench but he fully admits that in hindsite it probably helped him mature at a young age.
Scott’s biggest issue with Russell has been defense. I don’t think you simply play through defensive mistakes. Sometimes seeing minutes taken away is necessary for a 19 year old rookie to understand that he has to work for things.
in 22 games as a starter Russell averaged 11.6ppg on 40% shooting while off the bench he has averaged 12.6ppg on 44% shooting so clearly he hasn’t had his offensive efficiency drop.
For all the ridicule scott gets, guess what guys, the team sucks. Scott has taken past teams to the nba finals and has won 2 conference championships with the nets then went to new Orleans where he finished with 56 wins and one game away from advancing to the western conference finals. He did that while coaching two of the greatest pg’s in nba history in chris paul and Jason kidd. He also won multiple titles while playing with magic Johnson. nobody in the entire nba has as close to the experience that Byron scott has working with elite point gaurds. Maybe thats why he holds Russell to such a high standard.
0- Posted on: Sun, 02/07/2016 - 12:19pm #1041465
MopgrassParticipantI’m on the fence about Scott. I’m not entirely against him. On the positive side: the players are developing and winning is irrelevant, if not, undesired. When it was leaked to the media that Scott’s job is on the line, they won two in a row and almost beat the Spirs in the next game. I found that interesting. On the negative: I’m not sure if he’s familiar enough with the reality of how today’s game is. His comments about analytics and 3 pointers were dumbfounding last year. He’s been a little more receptive this year. He was my favorite player as a kid and I’d like it if he grew up and joined 2016.
As for Russell being taken out for defense: he’s the best defensive guard on the Lakers today. When Kobe is in the mood to defend, he’s superior and locks guys down, but mostly, he lets everyone blow by him. Lou Williams and Swaggy might as well stand on the offensive side of the court the whole game. Clarkson is the one I don’t understand. He’s quick, fast, and agile. He should be a top defender, but he’s never fought through a pick in his life. He gives up so easily on D, but is excellent on offense. D’Angelo works much harder and stays in front of guys. He’s occasionally unsure of who to switch onto when several players switch at the same time, but that’s hard for anyone.
I don’t mind Russell being held to a high standard, I mind Scott dismissing him as a person. He’s not old enough to have a conversation? Get real.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 02/07/2016 - 12:19pm #1041329
MopgrassParticipantI’m on the fence about Scott. I’m not entirely against him. On the positive side: the players are developing and winning is irrelevant, if not, undesired. When it was leaked to the media that Scott’s job is on the line, they won two in a row and almost beat the Spirs in the next game. I found that interesting. On the negative: I’m not sure if he’s familiar enough with the reality of how today’s game is. His comments about analytics and 3 pointers were dumbfounding last year. He’s been a little more receptive this year. He was my favorite player as a kid and I’d like it if he grew up and joined 2016.
As for Russell being taken out for defense: he’s the best defensive guard on the Lakers today. When Kobe is in the mood to defend, he’s superior and locks guys down, but mostly, he lets everyone blow by him. Lou Williams and Swaggy might as well stand on the offensive side of the court the whole game. Clarkson is the one I don’t understand. He’s quick, fast, and agile. He should be a top defender, but he’s never fought through a pick in his life. He gives up so easily on D, but is excellent on offense. D’Angelo works much harder and stays in front of guys. He’s occasionally unsure of who to switch onto when several players switch at the same time, but that’s hard for anyone.
I don’t mind Russell being held to a high standard, I mind Scott dismissing him as a person. He’s not old enough to have a conversation? Get real.
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- Posted on: Sun, 02/07/2016 - 10:15am #1041438
HitsterParticipantByron Scott was widely credited with helping to develop CP3 when they were both at New Orleans but he does seem to have lost his spark as a coach in recent years. I have no problem with rookies having to earn their starting spot regardless of how high they were drafted. Also don’t forget that Randle played very little last year so isn’t a 2nd year guy with 120 plus games experience yet so that has to be factored in.
The Lakers are in a quandary this year, wanting to develop young players, tank enough to keep their pick and try to do something in Kobe’s last season.
I think that Byron needs to be moved on or sideways at least. He is a very experienced basketball guy and if he has lost his spark as a coach maybe a front office role where his experience and knowledge could be used would be an alternative for him.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 02/07/2016 - 10:15am #1041301
HitsterParticipantByron Scott was widely credited with helping to develop CP3 when they were both at New Orleans but he does seem to have lost his spark as a coach in recent years. I have no problem with rookies having to earn their starting spot regardless of how high they were drafted. Also don’t forget that Randle played very little last year so isn’t a 2nd year guy with 120 plus games experience yet so that has to be factored in.
The Lakers are in a quandary this year, wanting to develop young players, tank enough to keep their pick and try to do something in Kobe’s last season.
I think that Byron needs to be moved on or sideways at least. He is a very experienced basketball guy and if he has lost his spark as a coach maybe a front office role where his experience and knowledge could be used would be an alternative for him.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 02/07/2016 - 12:47pm #1041471
Chariot OrgLol, you guys all thought Russell was "good enough" on defense heading into the draft, as if defense was just an afterthought and not nearly as important as a good spin pass.
Now we find out that not only does Russell suck on defense, but he doesn’t even try, and yet you guys want to spin it as Russell being misunderstood and not being coddled enough by the coach.
You guys completely miss the huge red flag about Russell’s attitude, competitiveness, and bottom-barrell defense, but you’ve been ignoring Russell’s defensive red flags since December 2014 when the side-spin pass first captured your imaginations, and captured your ability to think rationally about DRussell.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 02/07/2016 - 12:47pm #1041335
Chariot OrgLol, you guys all thought Russell was "good enough" on defense heading into the draft, as if defense was just an afterthought and not nearly as important as a good spin pass.
Now we find out that not only does Russell suck on defense, but he doesn’t even try, and yet you guys want to spin it as Russell being misunderstood and not being coddled enough by the coach.
You guys completely miss the huge red flag about Russell’s attitude, competitiveness, and bottom-barrell defense, but you’ve been ignoring Russell’s defensive red flags since December 2014 when the side-spin pass first captured your imaginations, and captured your ability to think rationally about DRussell.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 02/07/2016 - 1:01pm #1041477
BiggysmallsParticipantLLPerez has it pretty much spot on.
I think people are getting a bit overboard on the "Scott is ruining Russel"
The kid is 20. He’s a long way from ruined.
It’s not like he isn’t getting playing time. Who cares if he starts. He’s playing 25ish minutes a night and going through ups and downs. Thats how most rookies go through it.
Don’t coddle the kid. That’s how you end up with a franchise player who also wants to be the GM.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 02/07/2016 - 1:01pm #1041341
BiggysmallsParticipantLLPerez has it pretty much spot on.
I think people are getting a bit overboard on the "Scott is ruining Russel"
The kid is 20. He’s a long way from ruined.
It’s not like he isn’t getting playing time. Who cares if he starts. He’s playing 25ish minutes a night and going through ups and downs. Thats how most rookies go through it.
Don’t coddle the kid. That’s how you end up with a franchise player who also wants to be the GM.
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