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  • #62693
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    BleedGreen808
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     As a Celtics fan I have been paying close attention to the top prospects in this year’s draft class.  I have been intrigued by the possibility of adding a young player who could develop into the star the Celtics are missing.  Assuming Brooklyn ends up with the 3rd wost record(which is not a guarantee with Phoenix and Minny closing in) I have been looking at who the Celtics should take, assuming Simmons and Ingram go 1 and 2 respectively.  

    Jaylen Brown and Dragan Bender are two players I feel are most likely if Boston is picking 3rd.  I don’t know a ton about Bender outside of the DX breakdown but his skillset looks like an excellent fit in today’s NBA with stretch fours capable of making plays.  When I watched the breakdown of his strengths and weaknesses he looked like a perfect fit in Brad Stevens system both offensively and defensively.  He showed potential shooting, passing, driving offensively.   He also showed solid fundamentals defending PnR, even switching onto guards and staying in front.  His frame needs a lot of work but he is only 18 years old.  

    This article on Yahoo by Jonathan Givony was a good read and talked about him being a "competitor who has a relentless motor".  Even describing Bender begging to practice despite a bone bruise in his foot.  Bender said this:"When you step onto the court, its either 100 percent or it’s zero".   

    https://sports.yahoo.com/news/european-dispatch–getting-to-know-dragan-bender-195451386.html

    However, because I don’t know a ton about him so I was wondering if anybody could clear up some questions I had.  

    In an SB Nation article it says this: "His contract with Tel Aviv includes an NBA opt-out clause after the fourth season, which means getting him stateside before the 2019-20 season will require an expensive buyout."

    Is it true that it would be difficult to get him to the NBA until the 2019-20 season?  

    How much do you see his frame improving?

    Is he more of a glue guy, jack of all trades or can he be a go to player in the NBA?

     

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  • #1041288
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    DukeDaSquad
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     Is he 7’1 barefoot like porzingis or is that his measurement with sneaks on?

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  • #1041151
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    DukeDaSquad
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     Is he 7’1 barefoot like porzingis or is that his measurement with sneaks on?

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    • #1041153
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      BleedGreen808
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       DX has him listed at 6’11.5" in socks at Eurocamp 2015.  

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    • #1041290
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      BleedGreen808
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       DX has him listed at 6’11.5" in socks at Eurocamp 2015.  

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  • #1041173
    zolazola
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    If Bender declares this year, he would be one of the most inexperienced picks ever. Porzingis played two seasons in spanish league, the best league in Europe and was leader of his team last season. Bender plays in garbage time for Maccabi this year

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    • #1041450
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       Euroleague is the best league in Europe, not Spanish League. Spanish League is at best the 3rd best league in Europe, after Euroleague and Eurocup. But these days it is a distant way from even Eurocup level.

      Porzingis played in Eurocup, second best league in Europe, and Spanish League, 3rd best leage in Europe. That is correct statement. "Porzingis played in Spanish League, 2nd best league in Europe", is a false statement.

       

      Just because ESPN always makes up this lie at every NBA draft that "Spanish League is 2nd best league in Europe" does not mean at site like this that is all about draft, that we should repeat this very wrong statement.

       

       

       

       

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    • #1041313
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       Euroleague is the best league in Europe, not Spanish League. Spanish League is at best the 3rd best league in Europe, after Euroleague and Eurocup. But these days it is a distant way from even Eurocup level.

      Porzingis played in Eurocup, second best league in Europe, and Spanish League, 3rd best leage in Europe. That is correct statement. "Porzingis played in Spanish League, 2nd best league in Europe", is a false statement.

       

      Just because ESPN always makes up this lie at every NBA draft that "Spanish League is 2nd best league in Europe" does not mean at site like this that is all about draft, that we should repeat this very wrong statement.

       

       

       

       

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  • #1041310
    zolazola
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    If Bender declares this year, he would be one of the most inexperienced picks ever. Porzingis played two seasons in spanish league, the best league in Europe and was leader of his team last season. Bender plays in garbage time for Maccabi this year

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  • #1041183
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     There will be comparisions to Porzingis but they look to be different types of players from the limited amount of footage I’ve seen on Bender. Porz looks to be at least 20lbs heavier and more of a defensive presence whilst Bender looks more of a stretch 4.

    I was interested to discover how few minutes Bender has been playing for Maccabi so to make the jump to the NBA and to become part of rotation would be a big step. Also if there is an issue about him not being able to come to the NBA until 2019 then I wonder what is the justification for him being so high on mock boards apart from his obvious upside.

     

     

     

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  • #1041320
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     There will be comparisions to Porzingis but they look to be different types of players from the limited amount of footage I’ve seen on Bender. Porz looks to be at least 20lbs heavier and more of a defensive presence whilst Bender looks more of a stretch 4.

    I was interested to discover how few minutes Bender has been playing for Maccabi so to make the jump to the NBA and to become part of rotation would be a big step. Also if there is an issue about him not being able to come to the NBA until 2019 then I wonder what is the justification for him being so high on mock boards apart from his obvious upside.

     

     

     

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  • #1041187
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     I think he’ll need to season overseas for multiple seasons. Not ideal for a top 5 pick, so I think he’ll end up being late lotto.

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  • #1041324
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     I think he’ll need to season overseas for multiple seasons. Not ideal for a top 5 pick, so I think he’ll end up being late lotto.

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  • #1041189
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     Everybody forgets that one year ago, almost everybody thought Porzingis was way too skinny and not ready for the NBA.

    Now people (who forget) say no way is Bender ready for the NBA.

    Last year Porzingis weighed around 225, weighed about 230 at his pre-draft workout in Vegas, then showed up opening night weighing about 241.

    Bender said he weighs 102-103 kilos, which comes out to 222-225 lbs.

    He could easily get up to 240 lbs by opening day next year with discipline and a little luck.

    In the new Dx interview, what really stands out is how Dragan has a very similar disposition to Porzingis.

    Bender is humble, rational, confident, and highly focused, in addition to being aware of his unique physical tools. Just like Porzingis.

    Porzingis appears to be an 1-1.5" taller than Bender, and a 3-5" longer wingspan. 

    I also suspect Porzingis will end up as the better 3 point shooter.

    The advantage Bender has is a little more quickness/agility than Porzingis.

    Porzingis is able to switch on to guards and defend them well because he’s agile and has a Huge wingspan.

    Bender will be just as good defending smaller players because he has that great quickness despite a shorter wingspan. And let’s face it, being 1" or 1.5" shorter than Porzingis is actually better suited for perimeter defense.

    Porzingis was Exactly as frail and weak looking one year ago, as Bender looks now.

    But one other difference between the two is that Bender knows he’s quick enough to play NBA minutes at SF, in addition to PF, while Porzingis focused on adding weight to be a PF-C.

    Long term both Bender and Porzingis project to be ideal new age NBA centers, but Bender will take a lot longer to get there. Not only is he a couple years younger than Porzingis, but Bender has no intention of trying to gain 20 lbs in the next 8 months. He knows his agility is his best asset, and he knows how unique he is to be 7’1" with that kind of agility and quickness.

    Bender is going to continue focusing on his guard skills, while Porzingis has shifted to focusing on post offense and defense.

    Bender’s quickness and young age makes him arguably an equal or perhaps even better prospect than Porzingis, but Bender may never be the 3 point shooter or shot blocker.

    I believe Kirilinko was used as a comparison for Kristaps last year, and that comparison might be even better for Bender. But in 5 years they’ll both be dominant centers in the Lakers Pau Gasol mold, but even better.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    • #1041199
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      i like your post, thanks for hooking up here.

      I don’t see too much of Porzings comparison here with bender. Sure they are tall guys from eastern europe but Bender is much more of a large wing than Porzingis to me. Don’t get me wrong as his mobility is almost on another level for his size but Benders game is much more suited for the wing. He could be more of a Kirilenko or taller Jan Vesely2015 kind of player of we think in this categories. I don’t see a very reliable shot with much range yet but maybe like Giannis he knows this and just avoids beeing too much of a shooter and grows into it with time.

      Honestly I don’t know if I would trow a top pick at him but I could see why teams would do this as the tools are there and it’s not like he hasn’t been well documented in his international outings. Maybe the open courts in the NBA will open up when he shows he can handle the rock and create which I’m not so sure about. Gallo for example had a mean offensive mindset from the beginning which Bender lacks a bit to me. 

      If you really like him top 3 after good combine measorements or a hoop summit outing I would rather select someone else. Another option where teams like the Celtcs in drafts always consider trading down a few spots to snatch other assets and pick Bender somewhere at around 5-7.

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      • #1041201
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        I specifically said Bender is focused on his guard skills, and that his comparison is Kirilinko.

        Then you state those exact same thoughts and act like I didn’t just say that.

         

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      • #1041338
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        I specifically said Bender is focused on his guard skills, and that his comparison is Kirilinko.

        Then you state those exact same thoughts and act like I didn’t just say that.

         

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    • #1041336
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      i like your post, thanks for hooking up here.

      I don’t see too much of Porzings comparison here with bender. Sure they are tall guys from eastern europe but Bender is much more of a large wing than Porzingis to me. Don’t get me wrong as his mobility is almost on another level for his size but Benders game is much more suited for the wing. He could be more of a Kirilenko or taller Jan Vesely2015 kind of player of we think in this categories. I don’t see a very reliable shot with much range yet but maybe like Giannis he knows this and just avoids beeing too much of a shooter and grows into it with time.

      Honestly I don’t know if I would trow a top pick at him but I could see why teams would do this as the tools are there and it’s not like he hasn’t been well documented in his international outings. Maybe the open courts in the NBA will open up when he shows he can handle the rock and create which I’m not so sure about. Gallo for example had a mean offensive mindset from the beginning which Bender lacks a bit to me. 

      If you really like him top 3 after good combine measorements or a hoop summit outing I would rather select someone else. Another option where teams like the Celtcs in drafts always consider trading down a few spots to snatch other assets and pick Bender somewhere at around 5-7.

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    • #1041452
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       1. Bedner does not have guard skills.

      2. Bender is nothiong like Kirilenko.

       

      You need to actually watch a player play a game, and stop basing evetything on stupid made up hype articles written by people that are funded by sports agencies.

       

       

       

       

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    • #1041315
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       1. Bedner does not have guard skills.

      2. Bender is nothiong like Kirilenko.

       

      You need to actually watch a player play a game, and stop basing evetything on stupid made up hype articles written by people that are funded by sports agencies.

       

       

       

       

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  • #1041326
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     Everybody forgets that one year ago, almost everybody thought Porzingis was way too skinny and not ready for the NBA.

    Now people (who forget) say no way is Bender ready for the NBA.

    Last year Porzingis weighed around 225, weighed about 230 at his pre-draft workout in Vegas, then showed up opening night weighing about 241.

    Bender said he weighs 102-103 kilos, which comes out to 222-225 lbs.

    He could easily get up to 240 lbs by opening day next year with discipline and a little luck.

    In the new Dx interview, what really stands out is how Dragan has a very similar disposition to Porzingis.

    Bender is humble, rational, confident, and highly focused, in addition to being aware of his unique physical tools. Just like Porzingis.

    Porzingis appears to be an 1-1.5" taller than Bender, and a 3-5" longer wingspan. 

    I also suspect Porzingis will end up as the better 3 point shooter.

    The advantage Bender has is a little more quickness/agility than Porzingis.

    Porzingis is able to switch on to guards and defend them well because he’s agile and has a Huge wingspan.

    Bender will be just as good defending smaller players because he has that great quickness despite a shorter wingspan. And let’s face it, being 1" or 1.5" shorter than Porzingis is actually better suited for perimeter defense.

    Porzingis was Exactly as frail and weak looking one year ago, as Bender looks now.

    But one other difference between the two is that Bender knows he’s quick enough to play NBA minutes at SF, in addition to PF, while Porzingis focused on adding weight to be a PF-C.

    Long term both Bender and Porzingis project to be ideal new age NBA centers, but Bender will take a lot longer to get there. Not only is he a couple years younger than Porzingis, but Bender has no intention of trying to gain 20 lbs in the next 8 months. He knows his agility is his best asset, and he knows how unique he is to be 7’1" with that kind of agility and quickness.

    Bender is going to continue focusing on his guard skills, while Porzingis has shifted to focusing on post offense and defense.

    Bender’s quickness and young age makes him arguably an equal or perhaps even better prospect than Porzingis, but Bender may never be the 3 point shooter or shot blocker.

    I believe Kirilinko was used as a comparison for Kristaps last year, and that comparison might be even better for Bender. But in 5 years they’ll both be dominant centers in the Lakers Pau Gasol mold, but even better.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #1041207
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     Bender looks like the real deal. He obviously has the stature but what stands out are his hands, feet, passing ability and basketball IQ. 

    I see him as a Detlef Schrempf type with a little better defense, not on the level of AK47 but better than his idol Kukoc. 

     

     

     

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  • #1041344
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     Bender looks like the real deal. He obviously has the stature but what stands out are his hands, feet, passing ability and basketball IQ. 

    I see him as a Detlef Schrempf type with a little better defense, not on the level of AK47 but better than his idol Kukoc. 

     

     

     

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  • #1041229
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    If he’s a 4, like I think he is, it’ll hurt his value because he’ll have trouble keeping up with NBA 4’s. I don’t know what his wingspan, but it looks average to under average for his height. So he won’t protect the rim. Other than that, he’s very skilled and has a nice looking shot. I think the positional issues and the fact that he’s not coming over this year hurt his draft stock in the end. I think he falls out of the top 5, but not by much.

    Thinking any player is the next Porzingas is ludicrous. As Durant says, Porzingas is a unicorn. And unicorns don’t grow on trees. I think Porzingas has driven up Dragan’s stock.

    Side note: Dragan Bender is an awesome name for a character in a Hobbit movie.

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  • #1041366
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    If he’s a 4, like I think he is, it’ll hurt his value because he’ll have trouble keeping up with NBA 4’s. I don’t know what his wingspan, but it looks average to under average for his height. So he won’t protect the rim. Other than that, he’s very skilled and has a nice looking shot. I think the positional issues and the fact that he’s not coming over this year hurt his draft stock in the end. I think he falls out of the top 5, but not by much.

    Thinking any player is the next Porzingas is ludicrous. As Durant says, Porzingas is a unicorn. And unicorns don’t grow on trees. I think Porzingas has driven up Dragan’s stock.

    Side note: Dragan Bender is an awesome name for a character in a Hobbit movie.

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  • #1041235
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    joe2324
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     sixers will draft him, adding a 4th center

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     sixers will draft him, adding a 4th center

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  • #1041261
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     It will be interesting to see how his draft workouts pay off, if he did start to fall a bit, he could be the type of player that a play off team might look to trade up and take. He would not have a high draft pick tag hanging around his neck and could be developed slowly on a competitive team.

    If he does go high there are many scenarios about where he might go, I’d rule out Philly as they have so many frontcourters. Lakers may want to take a star quality player but would surely look at him. T-Wolves have KAT in situ and Dieng doing well also Pekovic when he is sound and KG as a veteran presence but with KG on his last lap and Pekovic likrly to be moved then he could fit in there and having KG as a mentor would be great for him.

    Phoenix have Chandler, Len and Morris but would need to consider him, Boston with Nets pick would be a decent fit but would he be the star player Boston need. NOP could use him around the Brow and he’d not have the pressure of being seen as the go to man.

    Denver have a couple of young Euro C’s and Faried but Bender gives them another option and Denver have a good record with Euro guys.

    The Bucks have an exciting young roster and Bender would fit in nicely playing around Henson, Monroe, Parker and the Greek Freak.

    My lighter hearted point about Bender is that a team who maybe passed on Porz last year decide they are not going to risk passing on a similar type of player and take a real flyer on him regardless.

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #1041398
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     It will be interesting to see how his draft workouts pay off, if he did start to fall a bit, he could be the type of player that a play off team might look to trade up and take. He would not have a high draft pick tag hanging around his neck and could be developed slowly on a competitive team.

    If he does go high there are many scenarios about where he might go, I’d rule out Philly as they have so many frontcourters. Lakers may want to take a star quality player but would surely look at him. T-Wolves have KAT in situ and Dieng doing well also Pekovic when he is sound and KG as a veteran presence but with KG on his last lap and Pekovic likrly to be moved then he could fit in there and having KG as a mentor would be great for him.

    Phoenix have Chandler, Len and Morris but would need to consider him, Boston with Nets pick would be a decent fit but would he be the star player Boston need. NOP could use him around the Brow and he’d not have the pressure of being seen as the go to man.

    Denver have a couple of young Euro C’s and Faried but Bender gives them another option and Denver have a good record with Euro guys.

    The Bucks have an exciting young roster and Bender would fit in nicely playing around Henson, Monroe, Parker and the Greek Freak.

    My lighter hearted point about Bender is that a team who maybe passed on Porz last year decide they are not going to risk passing on a similar type of player and take a real flyer on him regardless.

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #1041448
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    "competitor who has a relentless motor"


    Ridiculous nonsense. Anyone that ever saw him plays knows that is a complete lie.

     

     

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  • #1041311
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    "competitor who has a relentless motor"


    Ridiculous nonsense. Anyone that ever saw him plays knows that is a complete lie.

     

     

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    • #1041505
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      EuroBaller, honest question, do you think Bender is a top 5 pick in this draft? And who would you compare him to in the NBA? 

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    • #1041369
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      EuroBaller, honest question, do you think Bender is a top 5 pick in this draft? And who would you compare him to in the NBA? 

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