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    joe2324
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    With the sample size we’re getting from him now, do you think its possible we could a true superstar whos impact is felt on both sides of the court? I mean, someone who would sometimes put up a stat line of 30 points, 17 rebounds, 12 blocks, 5 assists, 3 steals. I’m not saying he is going average this, but once in a while I can see this happening in the future. 

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  • #1037418
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     OP, I don’t see him putting up statlines like THAT, but somewhere in that ballpark, which is still absolutely insane. How high am I on Porzingis? I truly believe that barring injuries, he has the skill and the mindset to one day be mentioned in the same conversation with Nowitzki as the greatest European born NBA player of all-time.

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  • #1037282
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     OP, I don’t see him putting up statlines like THAT, but somewhere in that ballpark, which is still absolutely insane. How high am I on Porzingis? I truly believe that barring injuries, he has the skill and the mindset to one day be mentioned in the same conversation with Nowitzki as the greatest European born NBA player of all-time.

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  • #1037420
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    ItsVictorOladipo
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     Well it is possible I suppose, I mean Darius Miles once scored 47 points with 12 rebounds, 5 blocks and 4 steals in a  game. But it’s hard enough predicting future season averages let alone career high game scenarios. 

    But yeah I guess he is capable of that, he’s a damn good player already and his potential is All-NBA worthy. It’s gonna be great seeing him and KAT go head to head for the next dozen years. 

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  • #1037284
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    ItsVictorOladipo
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     Well it is possible I suppose, I mean Darius Miles once scored 47 points with 12 rebounds, 5 blocks and 4 steals in a  game. But it’s hard enough predicting future season averages let alone career high game scenarios. 

    But yeah I guess he is capable of that, he’s a damn good player already and his potential is All-NBA worthy. It’s gonna be great seeing him and KAT go head to head for the next dozen years. 

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    • #1037363
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      He is a more dynamic player than Towns due to his athleticism and ability to come up with the ball and make fan-rising plays.  All of that uplifts a team.

      Towns is more boxed in.  He’s a set player.  

      Porzingis is more exciting than Towns.  

      Its a shame, but Porzingis will probably be the best player out of this draft.  I wish the Sixers took him, all our issues with multiple big men would be solved, especially since the dude can play D.

      Could you imagine a frontcourt of Dragan Bender, Kristaps Porzingis, and Joel Embiid?  

       

       

       

        

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    • #1037500
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      He is a more dynamic player than Towns due to his athleticism and ability to come up with the ball and make fan-rising plays.  All of that uplifts a team.

      Towns is more boxed in.  He’s a set player.  

      Porzingis is more exciting than Towns.  

      Its a shame, but Porzingis will probably be the best player out of this draft.  I wish the Sixers took him, all our issues with multiple big men would be solved, especially since the dude can play D.

      Could you imagine a frontcourt of Dragan Bender, Kristaps Porzingis, and Joel Embiid?  

       

       

       

        

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  • #1037424
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     Already better than Dirk, for defense.  He can block shots, so Porzingis adds help defense and that is something Dirk couldn’t do, run over and swat a player.

    A power forward getting over 20 and 10 while blocking lots of shots, maybe leading the league, and also hitting free throws and 3s at a high percentage, all very possible.

    Porzingis should dominate, but he will need someone to set the plays up, a great passer at point guard, and also a strong center next to him so he isn’t forced to play center.

    In five years, Porzinigs might be the only current Knick still there.

     

     

     

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  • #1037288
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     Already better than Dirk, for defense.  He can block shots, so Porzingis adds help defense and that is something Dirk couldn’t do, run over and swat a player.

    A power forward getting over 20 and 10 while blocking lots of shots, maybe leading the league, and also hitting free throws and 3s at a high percentage, all very possible.

    Porzingis should dominate, but he will need someone to set the plays up, a great passer at point guard, and also a strong center next to him so he isn’t forced to play center.

    In five years, Porzinigs might be the only current Knick still there.

     

     

     

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  • #1037327
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    Biggysmalls
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     Yeah it would appear the big thing for him – like most promising young players – will be health. No reason to think it’s an issue, but that can obviously derail promising careers. He’ll also have to keep improving – again just like every young promising player – and it sounds like he’s got that chip-on-the-shoulder work ethic so that doesn’t appear to be an issue either. 

    I could see him averaging 18-24 ppg, 8-12 rpg and 2 blocks. 

    It will be interesting to see how much him being there changes the perception of NY as a free agent desination. It clearly wasn’t the destination people thought it would be the last few offseasons, I wonder if him being there changes anything. 

     

     

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    • #1037365
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      you can see that Anthony is an afterthought.  Their bench is super excited when he makes these superhuman plays.  People will def want to play with him.  

      Boston, Philly, NY in 5 years, look out.  

      I think EMBIID vs. Porzingis is going to be some incredible matchups to look up to.  And then when Boston gets Dragan Bender….its Bender vs. Embiid vs. Porzingis.

       

        

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      • #1037405
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         What on earth makes you think Embid will be healthy? I mean, I hope so, but who knows.

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        • #1037575
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          SlickBouncePass
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          next great center.   

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        • #1037711
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          SlickBouncePass
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          next great center.   

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      • #1037542
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         What on earth makes you think Embid will be healthy? I mean, I hope so, but who knows.

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    • #1037502
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      you can see that Anthony is an afterthought.  Their bench is super excited when he makes these superhuman plays.  People will def want to play with him.  

      Boston, Philly, NY in 5 years, look out.  

      I think EMBIID vs. Porzingis is going to be some incredible matchups to look up to.  And then when Boston gets Dragan Bender….its Bender vs. Embiid vs. Porzingis.

       

        

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  • #1037464
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    Biggysmalls
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     Yeah it would appear the big thing for him – like most promising young players – will be health. No reason to think it’s an issue, but that can obviously derail promising careers. He’ll also have to keep improving – again just like every young promising player – and it sounds like he’s got that chip-on-the-shoulder work ethic so that doesn’t appear to be an issue either. 

    I could see him averaging 18-24 ppg, 8-12 rpg and 2 blocks. 

    It will be interesting to see how much him being there changes the perception of NY as a free agent desination. It clearly wasn’t the destination people thought it would be the last few offseasons, I wonder if him being there changes anything. 

     

     

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  • #1037353
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    nath09
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    Who knows what the fture holds but he has a tremendous skill set and from what I’ve seen so far he sure is fun to watch! WIll he contest the three point contest in All Star weekend? 

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  • #1037490
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    Who knows what the fture holds but he has a tremendous skill set and from what I’ve seen so far he sure is fun to watch! WIll he contest the three point contest in All Star weekend? 

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  • #1037395
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    Porzingis’s upside is still very hard to judge as he has only played 40 odd NBA games. I didn’t see Dirk play at a similar stage in his NBA career so that comparision isn’t clear to me. I personally would not see him ever being as good a shooter as Dirk was/is but Dirk is probably one of the greatest mid range shooting bigs ever and probably the best 3 point shooting big ever IMO.

    I’d agree that Porz has more defensive upside than Dirk had but would that mean could he be what a peak Sabonis Snr could have been in the NBA I wonder.

    Personally I could see Porz being about the same player a peak Memphis Pau Gasol was in 5 years time.

     

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    • #1037407
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       Peak Pau is a hall of famer, top 50 player ever. 

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      • #1037588
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        ItsVictorOladipo
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        Peak Pau is a hall of famer, top 50 player ever.

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        I don’t really agree with that. Pau is absolutely a future HOFer and arguably a top 50 player all time, but that isn’t because of his peak play. It’s his entire body of work; his 15 year (and counting) career, his consistency and his success both in the NBA with the Lakers and contributions internationally.

        At his peak, Pau was very good but he was never a truly dominant force in the league, there’s a reason he never made first team All-NBA and only made two second teams. At his peak IMO he wasn’t any better than C-Webb or Amare.

        To be honest the player that he most reminds me of, both in terms of skill-set and overall ability and play, is Brad Daugherty. And Daugherty will probably never make the HOF because his career was too short and he never won a championship. 

        Several big men come along every decade and meet or exceed Pau’s peak, it’s not unrealistic to see that potential in Porzingis.

         

         

         

         

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      • #1037451
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        ItsVictorOladipo
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        Peak Pau is a hall of famer, top 50 player ever.

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        I don’t really agree with that. Pau is absolutely a future HOFer and arguably a top 50 player all time, but that isn’t because of his peak play. It’s his entire body of work; his 15 year (and counting) career, his consistency and his success both in the NBA with the Lakers and contributions internationally.

        At his peak, Pau was very good but he was never a truly dominant force in the league, there’s a reason he never made first team All-NBA and only made two second teams. At his peak IMO he wasn’t any better than C-Webb or Amare.

        To be honest the player that he most reminds me of, both in terms of skill-set and overall ability and play, is Brad Daugherty. And Daugherty will probably never make the HOF because his career was too short and he never won a championship. 

        Several big men come along every decade and meet or exceed Pau’s peak, it’s not unrealistic to see that potential in Porzingis.

         

         

         

         

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        • #1037660
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          He has won multiple rings, ROY, Multiple All NBAs, he’s still putting uup big numbers and has won Olympic gold. He is absolutely a future Hall of Famer 

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          • #1037668
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            ItsVictorOladipo
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             Was that in response to me? Did you even read my entire post?

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          • #1037804
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            ItsVictorOladipo
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             Was that in response to me? Did you even read my entire post?

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        • #1037795
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          He has won multiple rings, ROY, Multiple All NBAs, he’s still putting uup big numbers and has won Olympic gold. He is absolutely a future Hall of Famer 

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       Peak Pau is a hall of famer, top 50 player ever. 

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  • #1037532
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    Porzingis’s upside is still very hard to judge as he has only played 40 odd NBA games. I didn’t see Dirk play at a similar stage in his NBA career so that comparision isn’t clear to me. I personally would not see him ever being as good a shooter as Dirk was/is but Dirk is probably one of the greatest mid range shooting bigs ever and probably the best 3 point shooting big ever IMO.

    I’d agree that Porz has more defensive upside than Dirk had but would that mean could he be what a peak Sabonis Snr could have been in the NBA I wonder.

    Personally I could see Porz being about the same player a peak Memphis Pau Gasol was in 5 years time.

     

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  • #1037409
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     I think what a lot of people are missing is that his future isn’t as a 4, it’s as a 5. He already has trouble keeping up with the speedier 4s. With some bulk, though, he makes the Knicks unguardable at the 5. It’s no coincidence guys like Derrick Williams and Lance Thomas look so good when Porz is at the 5.  The lane is empty!

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  • #1037546
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     I think what a lot of people are missing is that his future isn’t as a 4, it’s as a 5. He already has trouble keeping up with the speedier 4s. With some bulk, though, he makes the Knicks unguardable at the 5. It’s no coincidence guys like Derrick Williams and Lance Thomas look so good when Porz is at the 5.  The lane is empty!

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  • #1037576
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     Everyone said it would take him a few years to develop. Well he is already playing at a legit NBA level. 5 years from now I think he improve to superstar level and one of the top players in the league. Prbly like top 10 player.

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  • #1037439
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     Everyone said it would take him a few years to develop. Well he is already playing at a legit NBA level. 5 years from now I think he improve to superstar level and one of the top players in the league. Prbly like top 10 player.

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  • #1037597
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    I’m talking about Mempis era 2005-6 Pau as my comparison for Porz in 5 years time. Pau has a shot at HOF due to success with the Lakers and a very distinguished career over the last 15 or so years.

    I’ve used the Pau comparison as he’s always been a very solid scorer career 18 plus PPG but he’s never been a prolific scorer having 23-25ppg seasons at his peak. Interestingly peak Lakers Pau was nearly prolific as peak Memphis Pau even with Kobe being the team’s Alpha Dog. This showed how effective Gasol’s scoring could be.

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  • #1037461
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    I’m talking about Mempis era 2005-6 Pau as my comparison for Porz in 5 years time. Pau has a shot at HOF due to success with the Lakers and a very distinguished career over the last 15 or so years.

    I’ve used the Pau comparison as he’s always been a very solid scorer career 18 plus PPG but he’s never been a prolific scorer having 23-25ppg seasons at his peak. Interestingly peak Lakers Pau was nearly prolific as peak Memphis Pau even with Kobe being the team’s Alpha Dog. This showed how effective Gasol’s scoring could be.

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  • #1037601
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    Can this Porzingas kid pass?

    A guy like Pau can pass.  Or, Arvydas.

    All the other stuff, Porzingas is right there.

    He SHOULD be an MVP candidate for years.

    He looks like the front runner for the ROY award.

    How’s this guy doing in All Star voting?

    There aren’t THAT many front court guys that are better than Porzingas, although I am not saying that he should start or even be on the team.  BUT, you have to at least look at the guy.

    Back to overall skill set, if this guy turns into a passer the he could turn into the Larry Bird of centers, which would be truly frightening.

    Oh, and if you are Kevin Durant and you want to skip town, doesn’t NYC make more sense?

    Porzingas at the 5 with Durant and Carmelo at the forward spots?  Not sure how they free up enough money, and not sure that there are enough basketballs to go around, but both guys are gamers.  The floor spacing with a front line of Durant, Carmelo, and Porzingas would be INCREDIBLE.  That would also be a version of BIG Small Ball.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #1037465
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    Can this Porzingas kid pass?

    A guy like Pau can pass.  Or, Arvydas.

    All the other stuff, Porzingas is right there.

    He SHOULD be an MVP candidate for years.

    He looks like the front runner for the ROY award.

    How’s this guy doing in All Star voting?

    There aren’t THAT many front court guys that are better than Porzingas, although I am not saying that he should start or even be on the team.  BUT, you have to at least look at the guy.

    Back to overall skill set, if this guy turns into a passer the he could turn into the Larry Bird of centers, which would be truly frightening.

    Oh, and if you are Kevin Durant and you want to skip town, doesn’t NYC make more sense?

    Porzingas at the 5 with Durant and Carmelo at the forward spots?  Not sure how they free up enough money, and not sure that there are enough basketballs to go around, but both guys are gamers.  The floor spacing with a front line of Durant, Carmelo, and Porzingas would be INCREDIBLE.  That would also be a version of BIG Small Ball.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #1037603
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     He could end up being a rich man’s, Andrei Kirenko

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    Sharp Shooter
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     He could end up being a rich man’s, Andrei Kirenko

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  • #1037671
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    He’s going to be a fun guy to see develop.  I tried to convince my friends that are Knicks fans that he’d be a great pick for months leading up to the draft, and now here we are and I think those same fans that hated the pick now think Porzingis is better now than he really is.

    He’s a good young player with a lot of potential, but you just never really know what you’re going to get with him.  I’ve never seen a player that can put up 15 rebounds on any given night but can also put up 2 rebounds on any given night.

    I think he’ll peak somewhere around 18-22 points, 8-10 rebounds, and 2 blocks per game on solid efficiency.  Not sure how long I think that peak will be, but I’m fascinated to see what happens with him going forwards.

     

     

     

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    He’s going to be a fun guy to see develop.  I tried to convince my friends that are Knicks fans that he’d be a great pick for months leading up to the draft, and now here we are and I think those same fans that hated the pick now think Porzingis is better now than he really is.

    He’s a good young player with a lot of potential, but you just never really know what you’re going to get with him.  I’ve never seen a player that can put up 15 rebounds on any given night but can also put up 2 rebounds on any given night.

    I think he’ll peak somewhere around 18-22 points, 8-10 rebounds, and 2 blocks per game on solid efficiency.  Not sure how long I think that peak will be, but I’m fascinated to see what happens with him going forwards.

     

     

     

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    • #1037634
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      I think he’ll peak somewhere around 18-22 points, 8-10 rebounds, and 2 blocks per game on solid efficiency. 

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      That’s certainly not a bad prognosis but keep in mind this year he’s only averaging 28 minutes per game. His projected averages for 36 minutes (which I’m sure he’ll be getting in his prime) are 17.9 PPG, 10.2 RPG and 2.5 BPG.as the 20 year-old second offensive option for the Knicks. IMO at his peak his numbers are going to be higher

       

       

       

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      I think he’ll peak somewhere around 18-22 points, 8-10 rebounds, and 2 blocks per game on solid efficiency. 

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      That’s certainly not a bad prognosis but keep in mind this year he’s only averaging 28 minutes per game. His projected averages for 36 minutes (which I’m sure he’ll be getting in his prime) are 17.9 PPG, 10.2 RPG and 2.5 BPG.as the 20 year-old second offensive option for the Knicks. IMO at his peak his numbers are going to be higher

       

       

       

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