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- Posted on: Sun, 01/17/2016 - 8:08pm #62487
SlickBouncePassParticipant$hit happens and the Lakers get the 1st pick and Philly gets 2.
Embiid is healthy.
Would you consider: Noel or Okafor for D’Angelo Russell?
The Sixers then draft Ingram, and run out Russell, Ingram, Saric, Noel, Embiid.
Lakers run out Clarkson, Lou Williams, Simmons, Randle, Okafor/Noel (Noel might actually be more dynamic giving space to Simmons and Randle to attack the rim hard, but as a Sixers fan I’d prefer Noel to play alongside Embiidbecause of his range defensively).
If I’m the Sixers I’m not sure I want to do that because D’Angelo has the legs of a female, but he is improving overall and would run a fast paced system with D’Antoni and BB, and I guess it takes care of the play all 3 bigmen problem.
But the Sixers would have two very good shooting guards to surround Embiid, a great passer in Saric, and a Mr. Do-it-all in Noel.
What say you?!
0 - Posted on: Sun, 01/17/2016 - 8:33pm #1037135
Mad MaxParticipantIngram isn’t a 2-guard, I have just need to state that first, but I wouldn’t trade Okafor for Russell if I was philly, and wouldn’t the other way for LA, got to stick to your guns. Would be very foulish for LA to trade Russell for Noel straight up, no way.
0- Posted on: Sun, 01/17/2016 - 8:49pm #1037141
SlickBouncePassParticipantshoots perimeter shots and plays on the perimeter, has a decent enough handle. He lacks quickness to the rim, but he can drive to the hole from any angle. Why isn’t he a 2-guard?
And Noel with Simmons and Randle in the frontcourt would be a really really athletic frontcourt, then you have the Legend Roy Hibbert off the bench if you need him. Interesting to see what other Lakers fans think….I might like Noel to play with those players better.
Also, what about Russell has you so enamored? I just want him because he can shoot and play off Embiid double teams and make the right pass. He’s adequate, but he is NOOOOO Steph Curry. Look at Steph Curry’s legs man. Someone needs to introduce Russell to a jumprope, he’s just not an athletic PG thats in fashion today. Can’t go to the hole at all.
Maybe Embiid Okafor would work since both require double teams and Okafor kills almost everyone in the league one on one.
But no i think it would make sense for both these teams that have surpluses and are no longer tanking but want to win, the roster is just more balanced for both teams. Clarkson is just a more advanced version of Russell, probably more dynamic. And you signed Sweet Lou and Nick Young, and you’re getting possibly Okafor, a double team guy. Okafor is slightly better than Legend mucker Hibbert.
What about Okafor or Noel for Randle and Clarkson? I honestly don’t think Clarkson has an NBA body or athleticism or skills to be a really good player in this league. I think he’s serviceable but by no means a factor on offense. If somehow you think D’Angelo is more of a factor than Clarkson, I’d take Clarkson as a polished "B-" guard in the NBA. Randle I dislike his game, but hey he’s a body that can crash to the rim and rebound with Embiid and Noel.
0- Posted on: Sun, 01/17/2016 - 9:08pm #1037145
Mad MaxParticipantIngram, doesn’t have the ball handling or passing to your 2nd ballhandler, or else you’ll have a heavy load on your PG.
Russell is a rookie, only 20 still? if you took the dude 2nd you probably think hes going to be good or expect so. you want to trade him after one season for Noel? a solid player, but won’t be more than a really good role player. I just wouldn’t trade him for Noel, sorry.
I would gladly take Okafor for Randle/Clarkson. But not Noel, who is on an equal level with both Randle and Clarkson, so I would only do one of those two/ What About Noel has you so enamored? Do you have a leg/calf muscle fetish like Drama from Entourage?
0- Posted on: Mon, 01/18/2016 - 6:26am #1037324
SlickBouncePassParticipantis a really smart player and a very nice passer.
I don’t think Klay Thompson really helps Steph much at all with ball handling.
I also think the Duke system limits Ingram’s ability to showcase all of his talents. Right now Ingram is doing a phenomenal job playing within the system, and he already brings to mind guys like Kevin Durant, in that, he’s really the only guy you’re watching out there, and he deserves it, because he stands out so much.
Ingram is only going to get better he is 19. Also, the Sixers would have Saric to handle the rock as well.
He can easily play the "2" guard since he lives out on the perimeter now as it is. He’s incredibly skilled. Also, his bodyframe lends him to that position. Anyway, in today’s NBA it doesn’t really matter. He can play the 2 position, no need to cage talented players like Ingram.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 01/18/2016 - 6:26am #1037187
SlickBouncePassParticipantis a really smart player and a very nice passer.
I don’t think Klay Thompson really helps Steph much at all with ball handling.
I also think the Duke system limits Ingram’s ability to showcase all of his talents. Right now Ingram is doing a phenomenal job playing within the system, and he already brings to mind guys like Kevin Durant, in that, he’s really the only guy you’re watching out there, and he deserves it, because he stands out so much.
Ingram is only going to get better he is 19. Also, the Sixers would have Saric to handle the rock as well.
He can easily play the "2" guard since he lives out on the perimeter now as it is. He’s incredibly skilled. Also, his bodyframe lends him to that position. Anyway, in today’s NBA it doesn’t really matter. He can play the 2 position, no need to cage talented players like Ingram.
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- Posted on: Sun, 01/17/2016 - 9:08pm #1037281
Mad MaxParticipantIngram, doesn’t have the ball handling or passing to your 2nd ballhandler, or else you’ll have a heavy load on your PG.
Russell is a rookie, only 20 still? if you took the dude 2nd you probably think hes going to be good or expect so. you want to trade him after one season for Noel? a solid player, but won’t be more than a really good role player. I just wouldn’t trade him for Noel, sorry.
I would gladly take Okafor for Randle/Clarkson. But not Noel, who is on an equal level with both Randle and Clarkson, so I would only do one of those two/ What About Noel has you so enamored? Do you have a leg/calf muscle fetish like Drama from Entourage?
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- Posted on: Sun, 01/17/2016 - 8:49pm #1037277
SlickBouncePassParticipantshoots perimeter shots and plays on the perimeter, has a decent enough handle. He lacks quickness to the rim, but he can drive to the hole from any angle. Why isn’t he a 2-guard?
And Noel with Simmons and Randle in the frontcourt would be a really really athletic frontcourt, then you have the Legend Roy Hibbert off the bench if you need him. Interesting to see what other Lakers fans think….I might like Noel to play with those players better.
Also, what about Russell has you so enamored? I just want him because he can shoot and play off Embiid double teams and make the right pass. He’s adequate, but he is NOOOOO Steph Curry. Look at Steph Curry’s legs man. Someone needs to introduce Russell to a jumprope, he’s just not an athletic PG thats in fashion today. Can’t go to the hole at all.
Maybe Embiid Okafor would work since both require double teams and Okafor kills almost everyone in the league one on one.
But no i think it would make sense for both these teams that have surpluses and are no longer tanking but want to win, the roster is just more balanced for both teams. Clarkson is just a more advanced version of Russell, probably more dynamic. And you signed Sweet Lou and Nick Young, and you’re getting possibly Okafor, a double team guy. Okafor is slightly better than Legend mucker Hibbert.
What about Okafor or Noel for Randle and Clarkson? I honestly don’t think Clarkson has an NBA body or athleticism or skills to be a really good player in this league. I think he’s serviceable but by no means a factor on offense. If somehow you think D’Angelo is more of a factor than Clarkson, I’d take Clarkson as a polished "B-" guard in the NBA. Randle I dislike his game, but hey he’s a body that can crash to the rim and rebound with Embiid and Noel.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 01/18/2016 - 9:04am #1037354
SteezGawdParticipantD. Russell is going to be a superstar in LA. When Kobe leaves and we axe B. Scott for a coach (hopefully Luke Walton but why would he leave such a great situation?) and he actually "has" to "have the ball" and he gets to make the decisions and gets players around him that can catch a pass and finish or make a jumpshot his assist numbers are going to skyrocket and he’s going to be on sports center weekly if not daily. He’s special. He has that "it" factor.
I watch the Lakers play. And I find myself always watching Russell. Kobe’s my favorite player. That’s never happened to me. I even tune the game out sometimes when Russell’s not on the floor. Same with his high school teammate at LSU Ben Simmons. I haven’t seen two people enter the league in back to back years that can pass the ball the way these guys can. (Thanks impart to them growing up in a LBJ dominated league) As a one-two punch they could actually bring showtime back to LA. (Not really a fan of him) but a high flyer like derozan on the wings running a break with Russell and Simmons!? And their pick and roll would be lethal. Imagine two Magic Johnson’s running a pick and roll with each other.
In 4-5 years you talk about the best players drafted since AD. Russell, Simmons, Ingram, Josh Jackson and Karl Anthony Towns (not in that order) will probably be the 5 best since him.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 01/18/2016 - 9:04am #1037218
SteezGawdParticipantD. Russell is going to be a superstar in LA. When Kobe leaves and we axe B. Scott for a coach (hopefully Luke Walton but why would he leave such a great situation?) and he actually "has" to "have the ball" and he gets to make the decisions and gets players around him that can catch a pass and finish or make a jumpshot his assist numbers are going to skyrocket and he’s going to be on sports center weekly if not daily. He’s special. He has that "it" factor.
I watch the Lakers play. And I find myself always watching Russell. Kobe’s my favorite player. That’s never happened to me. I even tune the game out sometimes when Russell’s not on the floor. Same with his high school teammate at LSU Ben Simmons. I haven’t seen two people enter the league in back to back years that can pass the ball the way these guys can. (Thanks impart to them growing up in a LBJ dominated league) As a one-two punch they could actually bring showtime back to LA. (Not really a fan of him) but a high flyer like derozan on the wings running a break with Russell and Simmons!? And their pick and roll would be lethal. Imagine two Magic Johnson’s running a pick and roll with each other.
In 4-5 years you talk about the best players drafted since AD. Russell, Simmons, Ingram, Josh Jackson and Karl Anthony Towns (not in that order) will probably be the 5 best since him.
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- Posted on: Sun, 01/17/2016 - 8:33pm #1037271
Mad MaxParticipantIngram isn’t a 2-guard, I have just need to state that first, but I wouldn’t trade Okafor for Russell if I was philly, and wouldn’t the other way for LA, got to stick to your guns. Would be very foulish for LA to trade Russell for Noel straight up, no way.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 01/17/2016 - 9:58pm #1037147
DrivingDownTheStreetinmy64Stop wit the Russell for okafor trade ideas!!!!!! If lakers wanted okafor they woodve picked him!!!!!!
0- Posted on: Mon, 01/18/2016 - 6:09am #1037315
SlickBouncePassParticipantyou are a white guy trying really hard to be black? haha
I mean it seems somewhat logical. The trade woudl help both teams. Look at the rosters, don’t they seem pretty well balanced?
Sixers: Russell, Ingram, Saric, Noel, Embiid vs. Ish Smith Ingram Saric Noel Embiid (Oak off bench) which still isn’t bad.
Lakers: Clarkson, Williams, Simmons, Randle, Okafor <– I think Lakers fans would much rather have this, than…
Russell, Clarkson, Simmons, Randle, Hibbert.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 01/18/2016 - 6:09am #1037179
SlickBouncePassParticipantyou are a white guy trying really hard to be black? haha
I mean it seems somewhat logical. The trade woudl help both teams. Look at the rosters, don’t they seem pretty well balanced?
Sixers: Russell, Ingram, Saric, Noel, Embiid vs. Ish Smith Ingram Saric Noel Embiid (Oak off bench) which still isn’t bad.
Lakers: Clarkson, Williams, Simmons, Randle, Okafor <– I think Lakers fans would much rather have this, than…
Russell, Clarkson, Simmons, Randle, Hibbert.
0- Posted on: Mon, 01/18/2016 - 11:26am #1037382
Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipantAs a Lakers fan, I can say I’d rather have the second lineup you posted. But neither will be their starting lineup next season. No way hibbert will be back next season ( they are already looking to move him to a contender) and I think they will be pick up at least one or two impact players in free agency.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 01/18/2016 - 11:26am #1037246
Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipantAs a Lakers fan, I can say I’d rather have the second lineup you posted. But neither will be their starting lineup next season. No way hibbert will be back next season ( they are already looking to move him to a contender) and I think they will be pick up at least one or two impact players in free agency.
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- Posted on: Sun, 01/24/2016 - 12:13am #1038677
vdogg7Participantthe lakers have zero interest in acquiring okafor.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 01/24/2016 - 12:13am #1038542
vdogg7Participantthe lakers have zero interest in acquiring okafor.
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- Posted on: Sun, 01/17/2016 - 9:58pm #1037283
DrivingDownTheStreetinmy64Stop wit the Russell for okafor trade ideas!!!!!! If lakers wanted okafor they woodve picked him!!!!!!
0 - Posted on: Sun, 01/17/2016 - 10:09pm #1037149
Magic JordanParticipantI wouldn’t trade Russell for Okafor or Noel.
0- Posted on: Mon, 01/18/2016 - 6:13am #1037317
SlickBouncePassParticipantshows you have a lot of faith in Russell. I don’t really get what you see, I see him in the J Kidd style of PG without the JKidd defense.
He brings you shooting and elite passing, it helps us since we have so many bigmen, but the only way I see him as a significant upgrade over Ish Smith is in his shooting ability which I think would help a lot with Embiid.
Ish Smith and Oak for Russell and Nance.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 01/18/2016 - 6:13am #1037181
SlickBouncePassParticipantshows you have a lot of faith in Russell. I don’t really get what you see, I see him in the J Kidd style of PG without the JKidd defense.
He brings you shooting and elite passing, it helps us since we have so many bigmen, but the only way I see him as a significant upgrade over Ish Smith is in his shooting ability which I think would help a lot with Embiid.
Ish Smith and Oak for Russell and Nance.
0- Posted on: Mon, 01/18/2016 - 9:01am #1037352
Magic JordanParticipantYou see him as a J Kidd style PG? You mean a top 5 PG of all time? Because that’s what J Kidd is. A top 5er at his position.
I wish they were, but the 2 aren’t very alike aside from their height.
J Kidd was an amazing athlete, and for a long time was regarded as the fastest player with the ball in his hands in the League. Until Tony Parker came along. Russell is a better shooter than Kidd was for about 80% of his career already. He will never be the defender that Kidd was.
I wouldn’t go Russell for Okafor. So I certainly wouldn’t go Nance and Russell for Okafor and a PG that is only a starter on the 76ers. This is classic Philly here. Ish Smith bounces around the league and can’t stick anywhere. His true role is as a nice backup PG. On the 76ers obviously he is more, but this is mostly due to having the greenest of green lights. No way I would trade Nance for Ish.
Give me the backup multi position big who is uber athletic and will be able to legitimately spread the floor in a few years time over the back up PG any day of the week.
Where is T Rex, I owe him an apology for knocking the Lakers for taking Nance too early. It was a great pick, and T Rex called it. Bravo sir, I know you’re around here somewhere.
Lakers are great at drafting.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 01/18/2016 - 9:01am #1037215
Magic JordanParticipantYou see him as a J Kidd style PG? You mean a top 5 PG of all time? Because that’s what J Kidd is. A top 5er at his position.
I wish they were, but the 2 aren’t very alike aside from their height.
J Kidd was an amazing athlete, and for a long time was regarded as the fastest player with the ball in his hands in the League. Until Tony Parker came along. Russell is a better shooter than Kidd was for about 80% of his career already. He will never be the defender that Kidd was.
I wouldn’t go Russell for Okafor. So I certainly wouldn’t go Nance and Russell for Okafor and a PG that is only a starter on the 76ers. This is classic Philly here. Ish Smith bounces around the league and can’t stick anywhere. His true role is as a nice backup PG. On the 76ers obviously he is more, but this is mostly due to having the greenest of green lights. No way I would trade Nance for Ish.
Give me the backup multi position big who is uber athletic and will be able to legitimately spread the floor in a few years time over the back up PG any day of the week.
Where is T Rex, I owe him an apology for knocking the Lakers for taking Nance too early. It was a great pick, and T Rex called it. Bravo sir, I know you’re around here somewhere.
Lakers are great at drafting.
0- Posted on: Mon, 01/18/2016 - 7:50pm #1037347
SlickBouncePassParticipantBUT, they are similar in that they aren’t athletic in that they don’t exactly cross people over and get int he lane.. Both guys are high IQ, very good passers, and just conduct a system.
But from the standpoint of set shooter and passer without much driving, they are similar.
But agree, style of play is different. J Kidd was a great defender, great rebounder. Russell is a better shooter.
The point was, you are not the GM of the Lakers, and I think Okafor’s abilities are actually far more difficult to come by than Russell’s. The problem is, they both do their jobs well. Therefore, Okafor being the rarer commodity, is of higher value. Then, since you give up the less unique player, th Lakers need to sweeten the pot, and I’d love to have Nance.
I disagree totally wit hthe guy that said the Lakers would never change their mind since they obviously drafted Russell over Okafor. Thats like saying you would stick to your guns and not want Jordan over Sam Bowie when Jordan is dropping 60. Or the Sixers saying they woudlnt’ want Kobe even though AI gave them everything he had. Between Russell and Okafor, I think Lakers fans are overvaluing Russell by a lot.
0- Posted on: Tue, 01/19/2016 - 12:33pm #1037681
Magic JordanParticipantOhhh I will read this my friend. You must have only caught Kidd in the later stages of his career.
Man early on, he was a blur endline to endline. Extremely fast with the ball in his hands for someone his size.
I don’t think what Okafor does well is a more rare commodity than Russell anymore. A big PG who is an exceptional passer, a mini maestro in the pick and roll… but more importantly to me never lets the ball stick. He keeps that ISH moving. I personally value all of those things over a back to the basket big man. All I need from a big guy is to run, board, contest and set screens.
Okafor has a place in the game still, but he’s about 15 years too late to have the impact that you think he is going to have.
I think 76er fans are overvaluing Okafor by a lot.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 01/19/2016 - 12:33pm #1037545
Magic JordanParticipantOhhh I will read this my friend. You must have only caught Kidd in the later stages of his career.
Man early on, he was a blur endline to endline. Extremely fast with the ball in his hands for someone his size.
I don’t think what Okafor does well is a more rare commodity than Russell anymore. A big PG who is an exceptional passer, a mini maestro in the pick and roll… but more importantly to me never lets the ball stick. He keeps that ISH moving. I personally value all of those things over a back to the basket big man. All I need from a big guy is to run, board, contest and set screens.
Okafor has a place in the game still, but he’s about 15 years too late to have the impact that you think he is going to have.
I think 76er fans are overvaluing Okafor by a lot.
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- Posted on: Mon, 01/18/2016 - 7:50pm #1037484
SlickBouncePassParticipantBUT, they are similar in that they aren’t athletic in that they don’t exactly cross people over and get int he lane.. Both guys are high IQ, very good passers, and just conduct a system.
But from the standpoint of set shooter and passer without much driving, they are similar.
But agree, style of play is different. J Kidd was a great defender, great rebounder. Russell is a better shooter.
The point was, you are not the GM of the Lakers, and I think Okafor’s abilities are actually far more difficult to come by than Russell’s. The problem is, they both do their jobs well. Therefore, Okafor being the rarer commodity, is of higher value. Then, since you give up the less unique player, th Lakers need to sweeten the pot, and I’d love to have Nance.
I disagree totally wit hthe guy that said the Lakers would never change their mind since they obviously drafted Russell over Okafor. Thats like saying you would stick to your guns and not want Jordan over Sam Bowie when Jordan is dropping 60. Or the Sixers saying they woudlnt’ want Kobe even though AI gave them everything he had. Between Russell and Okafor, I think Lakers fans are overvaluing Russell by a lot.
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- Posted on: Sun, 01/17/2016 - 10:09pm #1037285
Magic JordanParticipantI wouldn’t trade Russell for Okafor or Noel.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 01/18/2016 - 4:04am #1037167
HitsterParticipantNo way Philly trade Okafor for Russell, if Lakers had wanted Okafor or Porzingis they could have taken either last summer. If Philly had been sold on Russell they could have pushed for a deal to move up the draft a spot by offering the Lakers one of their lesser picks due this year or even more favourable terms on the pick due to them via Phoenix.
0- Posted on: Mon, 01/18/2016 - 6:15am #1037319
SlickBouncePassParticipantyou’re telling me that after waht you’ve seen this year, somehow you think Okafor’s skills aren’t exciting enough to make you think you made a mistake?
With that logic, you’re telling me Lakers now would rather have Russell than Porzingis or Okafor?
Nah I mean this is about team building, its a trade that would help both teams address some issues. You do not find Okafor everywhere. He commands a double team and scores easy in the paint.
The only reason I’d think of trading him is because we have guys that would be hindered by him.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 01/18/2016 - 6:15am #1037183
SlickBouncePassParticipantyou’re telling me that after waht you’ve seen this year, somehow you think Okafor’s skills aren’t exciting enough to make you think you made a mistake?
With that logic, you’re telling me Lakers now would rather have Russell than Porzingis or Okafor?
Nah I mean this is about team building, its a trade that would help both teams address some issues. You do not find Okafor everywhere. He commands a double team and scores easy in the paint.
The only reason I’d think of trading him is because we have guys that would be hindered by him.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 01/24/2016 - 12:14am #1038679
vdogg7Participantaccording to david aldridge, phlly DID try and get russell from the lakers after the draft. the lakers said NO.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 01/24/2016 - 12:14am #1038544
vdogg7Participantaccording to david aldridge, phlly DID try and get russell from the lakers after the draft. the lakers said NO.
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- Posted on: Mon, 01/18/2016 - 4:04am #1037303
HitsterParticipantNo way Philly trade Okafor for Russell, if Lakers had wanted Okafor or Porzingis they could have taken either last summer. If Philly had been sold on Russell they could have pushed for a deal to move up the draft a spot by offering the Lakers one of their lesser picks due this year or even more favourable terms on the pick due to them via Phoenix.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 01/18/2016 - 5:06am #1037313
Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipantIf the Lakers were to draft first and pick Simmons than randle would be the more movable piece as him and Simmons skill sets somewhat overlap. I wouldn’t lie and say I wouldn’t be intrigued at the idea of a randle for noel swap provided the Lakers can land Simmons. I can’t really see why philly would make that deal though.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 01/18/2016 - 5:06am #1037177
Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipantIf the Lakers were to draft first and pick Simmons than randle would be the more movable piece as him and Simmons skill sets somewhat overlap. I wouldn’t lie and say I wouldn’t be intrigued at the idea of a randle for noel swap provided the Lakers can land Simmons. I can’t really see why philly would make that deal though.
0- Posted on: Mon, 01/18/2016 - 6:20am #1037322
SlickBouncePassParticipantRandle is a slightly better scorer and rebounder, but its not even close on defense.
If Randle showed IQ and maturity and better shooting then you’d have to consider it, because his shooting ability gives them spacing moreso than Noel and you already have a big defend the paint.
I don’t think the Sixers really need to move Noel. I think its much tougher for Oak and Embiid to play together, stretch 4s would be a big problem for those two. However, Embiid last year was apparently teh best shooter on the Roster, and since the both of them would likely command double teams, it would be real interesting to see Oak and Embiid.
I am fine either way and I think Ish Smith is doing a fine job, I just like Russell because of his shooting and tablesetting ability, I think he’s a lot smarter than Ish.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 01/18/2016 - 6:20am #1037185
SlickBouncePassParticipantRandle is a slightly better scorer and rebounder, but its not even close on defense.
If Randle showed IQ and maturity and better shooting then you’d have to consider it, because his shooting ability gives them spacing moreso than Noel and you already have a big defend the paint.
I don’t think the Sixers really need to move Noel. I think its much tougher for Oak and Embiid to play together, stretch 4s would be a big problem for those two. However, Embiid last year was apparently teh best shooter on the Roster, and since the both of them would likely command double teams, it would be real interesting to see Oak and Embiid.
I am fine either way and I think Ish Smith is doing a fine job, I just like Russell because of his shooting and tablesetting ability, I think he’s a lot smarter than Ish.
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- Posted on: Mon, 01/18/2016 - 6:57am #1037334
holefillers1ParticipantThe Lakers/Sixers trade threads are lame. Weak attempt from Lakers fans to justify passing on Okafor and still owing the Sixers a pick. This is like the fourth or fifth time I’ve seen one of these.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 01/18/2016 - 6:57am #1037197
holefillers1ParticipantThe Lakers/Sixers trade threads are lame. Weak attempt from Lakers fans to justify passing on Okafor and still owing the Sixers a pick. This is like the fourth or fifth time I’ve seen one of these.
0- Posted on: Mon, 01/18/2016 - 7:09am #1037338
ballislyfe25ParticipantActually quite the opposite. Philly wishes they had Russell instead of Okafor.
Lakers aren’t trading Russell, plain and simple. The guy is 19 years old and halfway through his first season and if you actually WATCH the games, you see the reasons why he was selected second overall.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 01/18/2016 - 7:09am #1037201
ballislyfe25ParticipantActually quite the opposite. Philly wishes they had Russell instead of Okafor.
Lakers aren’t trading Russell, plain and simple. The guy is 19 years old and halfway through his first season and if you actually WATCH the games, you see the reasons why he was selected second overall.
0- Posted on: Mon, 01/18/2016 - 7:41am #1037342
holefillers1ParticipantOkafor’s trade value is higher than Russell’s. Plus lakers will lose that pick this year or the next. Hence all this talk about getting the top pick and ending up with Simmons.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 01/18/2016 - 7:41am #1037205
holefillers1ParticipantOkafor’s trade value is higher than Russell’s. Plus lakers will lose that pick this year or the next. Hence all this talk about getting the top pick and ending up with Simmons.
0- Posted on: Mon, 01/18/2016 - 7:57pm #1037351
SlickBouncePassParticipanti want LA to get the first pick so we dont’ have to worry about it and take Ingram at 2.
Ingram to me, the more i watch of him, I just get excited by his potential. He’s also a gamer, leader, as a 19 year old telling teammates where to go on offense. I like his mind a lot, and he plays hard and has a much smoother stroke, and Simmons is only a terror on a fast break, otherwise even college kids stump him in half court offense.
Hoping we get 2, take Ingram.
The Lakers talk of running Simmons and Russell and Randle and Clarkson and then the overhyped DeRozan….and without a bigman….I guarantee you they dont’ win anything with that roster.
If the Lakers pick does come over to us and we get 4 or 5, then say hello to Ingram, and either Murray, Dunn, or Dragan Bender.
In the next 10 years, the Sixers will win more rings than the Lakers, I have no doubt. Our players are just more impactful.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 01/18/2016 - 7:57pm #1037488
SlickBouncePassParticipanti want LA to get the first pick so we dont’ have to worry about it and take Ingram at 2.
Ingram to me, the more i watch of him, I just get excited by his potential. He’s also a gamer, leader, as a 19 year old telling teammates where to go on offense. I like his mind a lot, and he plays hard and has a much smoother stroke, and Simmons is only a terror on a fast break, otherwise even college kids stump him in half court offense.
Hoping we get 2, take Ingram.
The Lakers talk of running Simmons and Russell and Randle and Clarkson and then the overhyped DeRozan….and without a bigman….I guarantee you they dont’ win anything with that roster.
If the Lakers pick does come over to us and we get 4 or 5, then say hello to Ingram, and either Murray, Dunn, or Dragan Bender.
In the next 10 years, the Sixers will win more rings than the Lakers, I have no doubt. Our players are just more impactful.
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- Posted on: Mon, 01/18/2016 - 8:21am #1037344
MatosParticipantSixers or Lakers aren’t trading for eachother’s pieces guys. Lets stop these scenarios. Sixers wanted D-Lo but didnt get him in the draft and are more than happy with Okafor. Lakers like what D-Lo has been able to do. Just because these are the two bottom feeders does not mean every trade senario has to have them swapping pieces with one another. Lets get some other teams involved and be more creative if we’re gonna keep chucking up trade scenarios.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 01/18/2016 - 8:21am #1037207
MatosParticipantSixers or Lakers aren’t trading for eachother’s pieces guys. Lets stop these scenarios. Sixers wanted D-Lo but didnt get him in the draft and are more than happy with Okafor. Lakers like what D-Lo has been able to do. Just because these are the two bottom feeders does not mean every trade senario has to have them swapping pieces with one another. Lets get some other teams involved and be more creative if we’re gonna keep chucking up trade scenarios.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 01/18/2016 - 8:51am #1037348
Magic JordanParticipantThis thread is ridiculous.
Russell is 19 years old, playing a position that is much more difficult than what Okafor is doing at their respective ages.
Okafor currently has the least impact on a basketball court out of any player in the NBA. The 76ers are worse with him on the court on both sides of the ball. He doesn’t fit with Philly. And because he doesn’t fit, Philly fans now all of a sudden think he is so valueable and can be moved for the guy that they were just blasting once they didn’t draft him 2 months ago.
Hey Philly fans, nobody is bailing you out yet. The world knows what a stupid position that you put yourself in by taking 4 bigs in a row in the lottery. The rest of the world has the upper hand here.
This completely ignores that I would rather have Russell over Okafor if all things were equal. Okafor is a great low post scorer… and when I say great, I mean he is the best in the league as a rookie which is pretty remarkable. But he’s a dinsosaur. He has a terrible impact on the team when he is on the court. The ball stops on offense, he can’t play defense and he is a poor rebounder for someone his size.
I repeat, knowing what I know now… and don’t get me wrong I was in the Okafor camp. I wanted the Lakers to select him. I have no problem admitting I was wrong. I would not trade Russell for Okafor right now. For those that have actually watched both of them play, most of them wouldn’t either.
The OP clearly hasn’t watched the Lakers play. Saying Clarkson is unathletic? Huh? That’s like his biggest trait.
You’d still rather have Ish Smith you think than Russell? Well that’s great because that’s exactly what you’re going to have.
Also, how is not being willing to trade Russell for Okafor in any way related to essentially not be willing to trade him for Porzingis because we passed on him? You question someones logic, but your logic is equally faulty. With your logic, why wouldn’t we trade Russell for the 60th pick? He was selected after him.
Porzingis for Russell, yes. But guess what, the 76ers didn’t take him either. Huge mistake. We wouldn’t be reading these dumb trade proposals everyday.
Clarkson and Randle for Okafor? I dunno, maybe. Lakers are so bare in talent that any trade that doesn’t make them significantly better, and is of the 2 of the Lakers best 4 or 5 players for 1 doesn’t make a ton of sense to me.
You’re so willing to deal Okafor because obviously he is a poor fit. I always try to hammer the point down, that if you are willing to trade a player… it is probably safe to assume that other teams value said player about the same.
And Brandon Ingram is not a 2 in the NBA. This is so dumb. Because he plays on the perimeter? He will get smoked running around screens all day and is not particularly quick going left and right. He is a closer to a 4 than a 2 in my eyes.
Ryan Anderson plays a lot on the perimeter as well…. Should we plug him in at the 2?
INGRAM IS NOT A 2!!!
0 - Posted on: Mon, 01/18/2016 - 8:51am #1037211
Magic JordanParticipantThis thread is ridiculous.
Russell is 19 years old, playing a position that is much more difficult than what Okafor is doing at their respective ages.
Okafor currently has the least impact on a basketball court out of any player in the NBA. The 76ers are worse with him on the court on both sides of the ball. He doesn’t fit with Philly. And because he doesn’t fit, Philly fans now all of a sudden think he is so valueable and can be moved for the guy that they were just blasting once they didn’t draft him 2 months ago.
Hey Philly fans, nobody is bailing you out yet. The world knows what a stupid position that you put yourself in by taking 4 bigs in a row in the lottery. The rest of the world has the upper hand here.
This completely ignores that I would rather have Russell over Okafor if all things were equal. Okafor is a great low post scorer… and when I say great, I mean he is the best in the league as a rookie which is pretty remarkable. But he’s a dinsosaur. He has a terrible impact on the team when he is on the court. The ball stops on offense, he can’t play defense and he is a poor rebounder for someone his size.
I repeat, knowing what I know now… and don’t get me wrong I was in the Okafor camp. I wanted the Lakers to select him. I have no problem admitting I was wrong. I would not trade Russell for Okafor right now. For those that have actually watched both of them play, most of them wouldn’t either.
The OP clearly hasn’t watched the Lakers play. Saying Clarkson is unathletic? Huh? That’s like his biggest trait.
You’d still rather have Ish Smith you think than Russell? Well that’s great because that’s exactly what you’re going to have.
Also, how is not being willing to trade Russell for Okafor in any way related to essentially not be willing to trade him for Porzingis because we passed on him? You question someones logic, but your logic is equally faulty. With your logic, why wouldn’t we trade Russell for the 60th pick? He was selected after him.
Porzingis for Russell, yes. But guess what, the 76ers didn’t take him either. Huge mistake. We wouldn’t be reading these dumb trade proposals everyday.
Clarkson and Randle for Okafor? I dunno, maybe. Lakers are so bare in talent that any trade that doesn’t make them significantly better, and is of the 2 of the Lakers best 4 or 5 players for 1 doesn’t make a ton of sense to me.
You’re so willing to deal Okafor because obviously he is a poor fit. I always try to hammer the point down, that if you are willing to trade a player… it is probably safe to assume that other teams value said player about the same.
And Brandon Ingram is not a 2 in the NBA. This is so dumb. Because he plays on the perimeter? He will get smoked running around screens all day and is not particularly quick going left and right. He is a closer to a 4 than a 2 in my eyes.
Ryan Anderson plays a lot on the perimeter as well…. Should we plug him in at the 2?
INGRAM IS NOT A 2!!!
0- Posted on: Mon, 01/18/2016 - 4:04pm #1037434
CobraParticipantI think you’re getting too caught up in positions. SG = SF = Wing. Ingram with his length and athleticism will be able to guard any wing in the NBA.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 01/18/2016 - 4:04pm #1037298
CobraParticipantI think you’re getting too caught up in positions. SG = SF = Wing. Ingram with his length and athleticism will be able to guard any wing in the NBA.
0- Posted on: Mon, 01/18/2016 - 7:27pm #1037345
Magic JordanParticipantUmm, no he won’t. His athleticism is greatly overstated in my opinion. Like I said… closer to a PF than a SG. He will get lost chasing SG’s around screens all day.
0- Posted on: Mon, 01/18/2016 - 8:10pm #1037357
SlickBouncePassParticipantbased on the games you’ve seen. The guy is lanky, and he doesn’t have incredibly quick feet, but he does have incredibly LONG legs and arms and he has easily defended smaller guards in college from the games I watch. He is more comfortable defending a shorter guard than he is a brute.
Anyways, tahts like saying Scottie Pippen could never guard a 2-guard.
In Duke he plays a fixed role. He does the same crap every game. He will have more responsibility in the NBA.
Anyway, who gives a crap how you label him, if not they’ll sign another guard and he will be a top 5 offensive swingman and a great scheme defender. I want Ingram over Simmons at this point.
The rest of your point, you make really good points and then you get all emotional and turn into a Lakers homer. Okafor is not someone we are looking to trade, the scenario is, we have Joel Embiid. You have ROY HIBBERT and ROBERT SACRE. You guys obviously need to upgrade, and why not upgrade with the best post scorer int he game, who is still young and can improve his blatant laziness on defense. He is not horrible on defense, he is a FACTOR on offense, and I think with Simmons Okafor Clarkson, its a much better trio than Simmons Russell Clarkson.
Anyway, Jordan Clarkson, is at best, a Montae Ellis or Jamal Crawford. He is a good player, but he is not a part of a BIG 3 to win you a championship. He’s a nice player, I dont’ care how athletic you think he is, he looks like a little kid out there. Also, he’s nowhere near the scorer Ellis or Crawford are, the point is, he doesn’t affect games and thats limited to his size just as it limits Montae Ellis, Jamal Crawford, or a Flip Murray type.
0- Posted on: Tue, 01/19/2016 - 12:26pm #1037679
Magic JordanParticipantWait, I can’t assess anything based on the games that I have seen, and you can? Hmmm.
There is no homer in me not being willing to trade Okafor for Russell. I think Russell is the better prospect which is all it comes down to. Not quite sure how I am any more homer than you in this situation.
Okafor is great at scoring, yet the 76ers perform worse on BOTH sides of the ball when he is on the floor.
How is me saying I don’t think Ingram will be very successful at guarding 2’s in the NBA saying Pippen couldn’t do the same? You’re talking about one of the greatest perimeter defenders ever… period. So not really sure what point you are trying to make. Ingram is not Pippen on defense. That is quite the stretch. Athletically to me, Ingram is a Jeff Green type. Obviously much longer and with a higher vertical, but his quickness and speed looks like Jeff Green to me. Of course, this is before his body improves with NBA training, but I don’t think you want Jeff Green chasing 2’s outside of a possession or two. Obviously Ingram will be something Jeff Green could only dream to be.
Yes Clarkson will be best suited as a 6th man. I don’t care how baby you think his face looks, the guy is athletic and is usually one of the fastest, if not the fastest guys on the court. Not exactly sure who you are watching.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 01/19/2016 - 12:26pm #1037543
Magic JordanParticipantWait, I can’t assess anything based on the games that I have seen, and you can? Hmmm.
There is no homer in me not being willing to trade Okafor for Russell. I think Russell is the better prospect which is all it comes down to. Not quite sure how I am any more homer than you in this situation.
Okafor is great at scoring, yet the 76ers perform worse on BOTH sides of the ball when he is on the floor.
How is me saying I don’t think Ingram will be very successful at guarding 2’s in the NBA saying Pippen couldn’t do the same? You’re talking about one of the greatest perimeter defenders ever… period. So not really sure what point you are trying to make. Ingram is not Pippen on defense. That is quite the stretch. Athletically to me, Ingram is a Jeff Green type. Obviously much longer and with a higher vertical, but his quickness and speed looks like Jeff Green to me. Of course, this is before his body improves with NBA training, but I don’t think you want Jeff Green chasing 2’s outside of a possession or two. Obviously Ingram will be something Jeff Green could only dream to be.
Yes Clarkson will be best suited as a 6th man. I don’t care how baby you think his face looks, the guy is athletic and is usually one of the fastest, if not the fastest guys on the court. Not exactly sure who you are watching.
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- Posted on: Mon, 01/18/2016 - 8:10pm #1037494
SlickBouncePassParticipantbased on the games you’ve seen. The guy is lanky, and he doesn’t have incredibly quick feet, but he does have incredibly LONG legs and arms and he has easily defended smaller guards in college from the games I watch. He is more comfortable defending a shorter guard than he is a brute.
Anyways, tahts like saying Scottie Pippen could never guard a 2-guard.
In Duke he plays a fixed role. He does the same crap every game. He will have more responsibility in the NBA.
Anyway, who gives a crap how you label him, if not they’ll sign another guard and he will be a top 5 offensive swingman and a great scheme defender. I want Ingram over Simmons at this point.
The rest of your point, you make really good points and then you get all emotional and turn into a Lakers homer. Okafor is not someone we are looking to trade, the scenario is, we have Joel Embiid. You have ROY HIBBERT and ROBERT SACRE. You guys obviously need to upgrade, and why not upgrade with the best post scorer int he game, who is still young and can improve his blatant laziness on defense. He is not horrible on defense, he is a FACTOR on offense, and I think with Simmons Okafor Clarkson, its a much better trio than Simmons Russell Clarkson.
Anyway, Jordan Clarkson, is at best, a Montae Ellis or Jamal Crawford. He is a good player, but he is not a part of a BIG 3 to win you a championship. He’s a nice player, I dont’ care how athletic you think he is, he looks like a little kid out there. Also, he’s nowhere near the scorer Ellis or Crawford are, the point is, he doesn’t affect games and thats limited to his size just as it limits Montae Ellis, Jamal Crawford, or a Flip Murray type.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 01/19/2016 - 7:45am #1037590
CobraParticipantLong arms bother shooters. Ingram’s arms are insane.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 01/19/2016 - 7:45am #1037453
CobraParticipantLong arms bother shooters. Ingram’s arms are insane.
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- Posted on: Mon, 01/18/2016 - 7:27pm #1037482
Magic JordanParticipantUmm, no he won’t. His athleticism is greatly overstated in my opinion. Like I said… closer to a PF than a SG. He will get lost chasing SG’s around screens all day.
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- Posted on: Mon, 01/18/2016 - 1:27pm #1037408
Dell87ParticipantI like ish smith. If philly trades one of their bigs they need to acquire a shooter/ slasher. Ish Smith is young for philly to build around.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 01/18/2016 - 1:27pm #1037272
Dell87ParticipantI like ish smith. If philly trades one of their bigs they need to acquire a shooter/ slasher. Ish Smith is young for philly to build around.
0- Posted on: Mon, 01/18/2016 - 8:13pm #1037361
SlickBouncePassParticipantI just think he’s limited. He’s a slasher/scorer (way better at this than Russell), without very good vision besides the alley-oop to Noel here and there. I think he gets tunnel vision and premeditates what he’s going to do, to the point it becomes obvious.
He’s good for Noel, but I know Okafor (who has a really high IQ), knows other guards are out there.
The Sixers essentially need both of hteir guards to swing side to side and take advantage wherever Embiid or Okafr, whatever the side, the advantage is.
Ish Smith gets caught up with communicating with only one side.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 01/18/2016 - 8:13pm #1037498
SlickBouncePassParticipantI just think he’s limited. He’s a slasher/scorer (way better at this than Russell), without very good vision besides the alley-oop to Noel here and there. I think he gets tunnel vision and premeditates what he’s going to do, to the point it becomes obvious.
He’s good for Noel, but I know Okafor (who has a really high IQ), knows other guards are out there.
The Sixers essentially need both of hteir guards to swing side to side and take advantage wherever Embiid or Okafr, whatever the side, the advantage is.
Ish Smith gets caught up with communicating with only one side.
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- Posted on: Tue, 01/19/2016 - 12:47pm #1037687
PulseGlazerParticipantIf the Lakers wanted Okafor over Russel, they would have just taken him over Russel.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 01/19/2016 - 12:47pm #1037551
PulseGlazerParticipantIf the Lakers wanted Okafor over Russel, they would have just taken him over Russel.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 01/24/2016 - 12:17am #1038681
vdogg7Participantand i never, ever wanted okafor over russell. IMHO okafor will be enes kanter/al jefferson/brook lopez. russell has a higher ceiling and once he matures physically and byron scott gets fired.. you will see how special he is.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 01/24/2016 - 12:17am #1038546
vdogg7Participantand i never, ever wanted okafor over russell. IMHO okafor will be enes kanter/al jefferson/brook lopez. russell has a higher ceiling and once he matures physically and byron scott gets fired.. you will see how special he is.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 01/24/2016 - 12:21am #1038683
vdogg7Participantand stupid. they’re all like, ‘the lakers screwed up by passing on okafor and taking russell’ one minute.. and ‘how can we get russell from the lakers?’ the next. HAHAHAHAHAHA! if the lakers had wanted okafor, they would have drafted okafor.. it’s as simple as that.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 01/24/2016 - 12:21am #1038548
vdogg7Participantand stupid. they’re all like, ‘the lakers screwed up by passing on okafor and taking russell’ one minute.. and ‘how can we get russell from the lakers?’ the next. HAHAHAHAHAHA! if the lakers had wanted okafor, they would have drafted okafor.. it’s as simple as that.
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