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  • #62458
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    Illadelph
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    Last summer all of the mock drafts had Diallo going in the lottery in 2016.  (This site had him at #11 going to Indiana.)  Now, he is a late first rounder on some sites, and on this one, he is apparently not even draftable this year.  Nbadraft has him going in the 2017 draft at #18.

    Now, Diallo is not a guy that was billed as a skill guy.  He was billed as an athletic, ernergy guy with a high motor, with high defensive potential and developing offensive skills.  Basically, a project with a ton of potential.  

    He has not done a whole lot this season at Kansas but he has shown flashes of his potential.  I have not identified *anything* that should cause him to fall out of favor at all from an NBA draft standpoint.  THe only thing I can point to is his lack of playing time, and lack of exposure.  Bill Self has kept him buried on the bench for the most part, and he really hasn’t had the same opportunity to play/develop as a lot of other top prospects.  

    Anyone have any thought on this?  I don’t get why Diallo has dropped so fast.

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  • #1036806
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    While he hasn’t necessarily done *anything* in his brief playing time to warrant a signficant stock drop, he’s losing ground to all the players on other teams who do play consistent minutes. The extra playing time for other players allows scouts to have much more data and film on those players, which reduces risk in drafting – a huge factor in putting together teams’ draft boards.

    I’m sure there is also some level of concern as to why he isn’t getting minutes as well, seing as Self hasn’t had a problem playing freshmen like Wiggins, Embiid & even Selden big minutes in recent years. #FreeDiallo persists…

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    While he hasn’t necessarily done *anything* in his brief playing time to warrant a signficant stock drop, he’s losing ground to all the players on other teams who do play consistent minutes. The extra playing time for other players allows scouts to have much more data and film on those players, which reduces risk in drafting – a huge factor in putting together teams’ draft boards.

    I’m sure there is also some level of concern as to why he isn’t getting minutes as well, seing as Self hasn’t had a problem playing freshmen like Wiggins, Embiid & even Selden big minutes in recent years. #FreeDiallo persists…

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  • #1036808
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     it no longer is #FreeDiallo… it is #ComeOnDoSomethingDiallo.

    KU has ALL of the pieces needed to win a national championship this year (since there is no dominate team like last year). The only potential hole in their roster is an athletic power forward to play next to the "Brian Cook-esqe" Perry Ellis.

    Diallo was a shoe in for starting PF, or at the very least, split time at PF with Traylor.

    For the second year in a row- the high energy, tough, athletic, McDonalds All American, freshman power forward has failed to produce on the court.

    I love my Jayhawks, but their lack of toughness scares me come March.

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #1036671
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     it no longer is #FreeDiallo… it is #ComeOnDoSomethingDiallo.

    KU has ALL of the pieces needed to win a national championship this year (since there is no dominate team like last year). The only potential hole in their roster is an athletic power forward to play next to the "Brian Cook-esqe" Perry Ellis.

    Diallo was a shoe in for starting PF, or at the very least, split time at PF with Traylor.

    For the second year in a row- the high energy, tough, athletic, McDonalds All American, freshman power forward has failed to produce on the court.

    I love my Jayhawks, but their lack of toughness scares me come March.

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #1036810
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    Dazzling Dunks and Basketball Bloopers
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     Nowadays, the expectation is that guys like diallo with big-time reputations coming out of hs will automatically come in, tear it up for one season in college and than be lottery picks. Those who pegged diallo as a one and done and lottery pick coming into the season were creating extremely unrealistic expectations. The guy is still just learning how to play basketball and plus he is even further behind because he wasn’t eligible to play the first month of the season. We’ve seen similar cases of unrealistic hype the past few seasons with guys like Thomas robinson, Chris  Walker, etc.

    What I hate now is that diallo probably automatically gets lumped into the "disappointment" category just like those guys. However, for those who saw diallo play in high school, it was very clear that he was a project. There was nothing about his game that suggested he would be an instant impact player and lottery pick after one year. Considering he is playing for probably the deepest overall team in America, the fact that be is not getting significant mins should not be a surprise. I wouldn’t say diallo has been a disappointment at all this year, even though that’s what the narrative will likely be. Hes about right where I expected him to be.

     

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  • #1036673
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     Nowadays, the expectation is that guys like diallo with big-time reputations coming out of hs will automatically come in, tear it up for one season in college and than be lottery picks. Those who pegged diallo as a one and done and lottery pick coming into the season were creating extremely unrealistic expectations. The guy is still just learning how to play basketball and plus he is even further behind because he wasn’t eligible to play the first month of the season. We’ve seen similar cases of unrealistic hype the past few seasons with guys like Thomas robinson, Chris  Walker, etc.

    What I hate now is that diallo probably automatically gets lumped into the "disappointment" category just like those guys. However, for those who saw diallo play in high school, it was very clear that he was a project. There was nothing about his game that suggested he would be an instant impact player and lottery pick after one year. Considering he is playing for probably the deepest overall team in America, the fact that be is not getting significant mins should not be a surprise. I wouldn’t say diallo has been a disappointment at all this year, even though that’s what the narrative will likely be. Hes about right where I expected him to be.

     

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    • #1036812
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      Dazzling Dunks and Basketball Bloopers
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       I meant to say cliff Alexander, not Thomas robinson

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    • #1036675
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      Dazzling Dunks and Basketball Bloopers
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       I meant to say cliff Alexander, not Thomas robinson

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    • #1036814
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       I watched Cheick play a few times in high school, I watched a high motor big with no real post game or offensive awareness. in the limited mins he has played nothing has changed that perception. I have to ask does Bill Self really coach up the bigs that play at Kansas. I think Cheick with some good work this summer can be a better offensive player..but never a 20 and 12 guy in my option. I see Jordan Hill kinda career numbers in his future.

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    • #1036677
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       I watched Cheick play a few times in high school, I watched a high motor big with no real post game or offensive awareness. in the limited mins he has played nothing has changed that perception. I have to ask does Bill Self really coach up the bigs that play at Kansas. I think Cheick with some good work this summer can be a better offensive player..but never a 20 and 12 guy in my option. I see Jordan Hill kinda career numbers in his future.

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    • #1036817
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      Illadelph
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      Dazzling Dunks,

      I agree with pretty much everything you just said.  But still, then why is he falling out of the draft?  Surely scouts and NBA teams who thought he was a lottery pick 4 months ago, can’t have suddenly changes their minds over his performance this far.  He hasn’t played badly at all.  He plays like a high-motor, prospect with tons of upside just like everyone thought he was.  No credible scout/team could expect him to step in and dominate given his lack of developed skills.  And it’s not like scouts don’t go to practices so they must see his game there too.  

      Either he has some major weaknesses that are not obvious to me, or he is dropping due to lack of exposure at Kansas.  I wonder if the kid is second-guessing himself about his decision to go to Kansas.  For the one-and-done prospects it’s not about the program, it’s about getting to the NBA as fast as possible.

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    • #1036680
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      Illadelph
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      Dazzling Dunks,

      I agree with pretty much everything you just said.  But still, then why is he falling out of the draft?  Surely scouts and NBA teams who thought he was a lottery pick 4 months ago, can’t have suddenly changes their minds over his performance this far.  He hasn’t played badly at all.  He plays like a high-motor, prospect with tons of upside just like everyone thought he was.  No credible scout/team could expect him to step in and dominate given his lack of developed skills.  And it’s not like scouts don’t go to practices so they must see his game there too.  

      Either he has some major weaknesses that are not obvious to me, or he is dropping due to lack of exposure at Kansas.  I wonder if the kid is second-guessing himself about his decision to go to Kansas.  For the one-and-done prospects it’s not about the program, it’s about getting to the NBA as fast as possible.

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      • #1036839
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        Dazzling Dunks and Basketball Bloopers
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         That’s why I don’t really pay much attention to preseason draft boards. Just because this site and others had him projected as a lottery pick after one year doesn’t necessarily mean that’s where actual NBA scouts had him projected. He is nowhere near NBA ready right now, and he hasn’t shown nearly enough yet on the court for any NBA team to risk drafting him that high.

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      • #1036702
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        Dazzling Dunks and Basketball Bloopers
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         That’s why I don’t really pay much attention to preseason draft boards. Just because this site and others had him projected as a lottery pick after one year doesn’t necessarily mean that’s where actual NBA scouts had him projected. He is nowhere near NBA ready right now, and he hasn’t shown nearly enough yet on the court for any NBA team to risk drafting him that high.

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  • #1036833
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    When on the court, Diallo has the highest usage percentage of any Jayhawk. His decision making, and feel for the college game are very much a work in progress. It’s not his game to launch 18 footers, or attempted a difficult fade away while being pushed off the block. It’s not like he had never gotten a chance to play, he’s slowly lost out on minutes to the rotation of Kansas’ very deep front court.

    What he does well, that is encouraging, is play with high energy, and guard the rim. I don’t know why raw big men coming out of high school who have yet to play against high level competition rocket up draft boards entering their freshmen years in college, but it’s not a new trend.

    I liken Diallo to Ed Davis, and I feel his pro outlook is about the same. He can be a solid rotation big, or potential starter, that can play many years in the league, but I just don’t feel his potential is that of a star. His foundation on his jumper is good enough, that I feel, in a few years, he can be a legit pick and pop threat. Bulk and polish is what this kid needs, but I don’t think he’s getting shorted at Kansas. He just makes too many mistakes, and takes to many bad shots to play in a close game when you have the options of rock solid NCAA veterans. I do think he’ll improve from now until May, but I hope he comes back to Lawrence to hone his game for another season.

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  • #1036695
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    When on the court, Diallo has the highest usage percentage of any Jayhawk. His decision making, and feel for the college game are very much a work in progress. It’s not his game to launch 18 footers, or attempted a difficult fade away while being pushed off the block. It’s not like he had never gotten a chance to play, he’s slowly lost out on minutes to the rotation of Kansas’ very deep front court.

    What he does well, that is encouraging, is play with high energy, and guard the rim. I don’t know why raw big men coming out of high school who have yet to play against high level competition rocket up draft boards entering their freshmen years in college, but it’s not a new trend.

    I liken Diallo to Ed Davis, and I feel his pro outlook is about the same. He can be a solid rotation big, or potential starter, that can play many years in the league, but I just don’t feel his potential is that of a star. His foundation on his jumper is good enough, that I feel, in a few years, he can be a legit pick and pop threat. Bulk and polish is what this kid needs, but I don’t think he’s getting shorted at Kansas. He just makes too many mistakes, and takes to many bad shots to play in a close game when you have the options of rock solid NCAA veterans. I do think he’ll improve from now until May, but I hope he comes back to Lawrence to hone his game for another season.

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    • #1036835
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      joe wolf. que paso? nice to see you back on here.we missed you man. its not often i give out compliments ,but you’re 1 of my 5 favorite posters..

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    • #1036698
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      joe wolf. que paso? nice to see you back on here.we missed you man. its not often i give out compliments ,but you’re 1 of my 5 favorite posters..

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      • #1036860
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        Thanks Rudeboy, good to be back. I needed a bit of a break after about 6 years of non-stop posting, lol, but I’m hoping to get a bit more involved this spring headed into the draft!

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      • #1036723
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        Thanks Rudeboy, good to be back. I needed a bit of a break after about 6 years of non-stop posting, lol, but I’m hoping to get a bit more involved this spring headed into the draft!

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  • #1036841
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    GBee
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     Early mock drafts create unrealistic expectations.  They are not the gospel.  They are not the reflection of a player’s actual stock.  They are a reflection of a person’s opinion and often times that opinion is not expert, nor is it based on the thoughts of the people who actually make the draft decisions.

    I personally think that projecting players who are not locks to be one and done to be one and done’s is doing these kids a disservice.  I’m sure these kids and their families check up on their "stock" every once in a while, again creating unrealistic expectations and relying on the opinion of people who are neither expert nor "plugged in."  It can create an imaginary narrative like in this case, Diallo "falling," when he probably should not have been projected as a 1 and done in the first place given how raw he is and his team’s situation.  If he’s not a 1&D, so what?  I won’t think any less of him and neither should you.  There is nothing wrong with kids developing before they make the leap. That’s the way it should be.  From an NBA exec standpoint, with the salary cap the way it is, rookie contracts are golden.  If you can have a valuable rotation player during that rookie contract, that is a bargain and provides way more value to the team as opposed to paying the kid to learn fundamentals and sit.

     

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  • #1036704
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     Early mock drafts create unrealistic expectations.  They are not the gospel.  They are not the reflection of a player’s actual stock.  They are a reflection of a person’s opinion and often times that opinion is not expert, nor is it based on the thoughts of the people who actually make the draft decisions.

    I personally think that projecting players who are not locks to be one and done to be one and done’s is doing these kids a disservice.  I’m sure these kids and their families check up on their "stock" every once in a while, again creating unrealistic expectations and relying on the opinion of people who are neither expert nor "plugged in."  It can create an imaginary narrative like in this case, Diallo "falling," when he probably should not have been projected as a 1 and done in the first place given how raw he is and his team’s situation.  If he’s not a 1&D, so what?  I won’t think any less of him and neither should you.  There is nothing wrong with kids developing before they make the leap. That’s the way it should be.  From an NBA exec standpoint, with the salary cap the way it is, rookie contracts are golden.  If you can have a valuable rotation player during that rookie contract, that is a bargain and provides way more value to the team as opposed to paying the kid to learn fundamentals and sit.

     

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  • #1036843
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    At the Hoop Summit, the only players who stood out more than Chieck Diallo were Ben Simmons, Jamal Murray, Skal, and to be fair, Luke Kennard.

     Diallo was much more impressive than Brandon Ingram, Jaylen Brown, Allonzo Trier, etc. He looked to be, at worst, Tristan Thompson. He hustled more than anyone else, he was extremely aggressive attacking the rim, and played with more tenacity than anyone else on the floor. He showed good hands and definitely had a nose for the ball. 

    I don’t see him being a No. 1 option or a superstar, but I can see eventually being an absolute pain in the neck to compete against at the pro level. 

     

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    At the Hoop Summit, the only players who stood out more than Chieck Diallo were Ben Simmons, Jamal Murray, Skal, and to be fair, Luke Kennard.

     Diallo was much more impressive than Brandon Ingram, Jaylen Brown, Allonzo Trier, etc. He looked to be, at worst, Tristan Thompson. He hustled more than anyone else, he was extremely aggressive attacking the rim, and played with more tenacity than anyone else on the floor. He showed good hands and definitely had a nose for the ball. 

    I don’t see him being a No. 1 option or a superstar, but I can see eventually being an absolute pain in the neck to compete against at the pro level. 

     

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  • #1036851
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    Amazing that players still choose Kansas if they have dreams of being a 1-and-done…

     

    Not Bill Self’s style. Go to Kentucky if you want that. Self doesn’t give freshmen minutes 

     

     

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    Amazing that players still choose Kansas if they have dreams of being a 1-and-done…

     

    Not Bill Self’s style. Go to Kentucky if you want that. Self doesn’t give freshmen minutes 

     

     

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    • #1036868
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       Now that’s a stupid comment.  Wiggins, Embiid, McLemore?  Shoot, look at his current team, Selden was a heavy minute player his freshman year.  Devonte Graham played a big role as a frosh. These kids know what they signed up for.  If they didn’t take a look at the roster before committing then that is on them.  Maybe, just MAYBE these kids are concerned about getting better as opposed to just getting to the NBA asap.

      I’m sure Skal, Matthews and Humphries are loving their minutes at UK right now.  Coach Cal can sell players and pay lip service all he wants but he is in the business of winning games.  Both Cal and Self will play whoever will put them in the best position to win games, freshman or not.

       

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    • #1036731
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       Now that’s a stupid comment.  Wiggins, Embiid, McLemore?  Shoot, look at his current team, Selden was a heavy minute player his freshman year.  Devonte Graham played a big role as a frosh. These kids know what they signed up for.  If they didn’t take a look at the roster before committing then that is on them.  Maybe, just MAYBE these kids are concerned about getting better as opposed to just getting to the NBA asap.

      I’m sure Skal, Matthews and Humphries are loving their minutes at UK right now.  Coach Cal can sell players and pay lip service all he wants but he is in the business of winning games.  Both Cal and Self will play whoever will put them in the best position to win games, freshman or not.

       

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  • #1036887
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     He had the chance to go to St. John’s stay home and be the star and he passed it up for Kansas. He would be playing 30 min+ per game, and I honestly think he would have been able to showcase himself much more if his true intention was to be a one and done. 

    That being said though even when my Johnnies were recruiting him it was very clear, while talented, he was very much a work in progess. I think his best tool now, and probably going forward is his very high motor. His offensive game is very under-developed and he relies on touches within 3 feet of the basket set up by teammates, and put backs. He would do himself a huge favor if he developed a jump shot, or any sort of post game, which right now is nonexistant. 

    I like the Kenneth Faried comparion based on his rebounding, and high motor, but he is a much better defender than Faried. I see him more like a Faried/Bismack Biyombo hybrid. 

     

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  • #1037024
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     He had the chance to go to St. John’s stay home and be the star and he passed it up for Kansas. He would be playing 30 min+ per game, and I honestly think he would have been able to showcase himself much more if his true intention was to be a one and done. 

    That being said though even when my Johnnies were recruiting him it was very clear, while talented, he was very much a work in progess. I think his best tool now, and probably going forward is his very high motor. His offensive game is very under-developed and he relies on touches within 3 feet of the basket set up by teammates, and put backs. He would do himself a huge favor if he developed a jump shot, or any sort of post game, which right now is nonexistant. 

    I like the Kenneth Faried comparion based on his rebounding, and high motor, but he is a much better defender than Faried. I see him more like a Faried/Bismack Biyombo hybrid. 

     

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