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They should go back and not have traded Brandon Knight. 

They should go back and not have traded Brandon Knight. 

 Jabari has been disapointing so far and I agree with Monroe not fitting in. Maybe Parker or Monroe should be shopped a bit to see if they can get a guy who can space the floor and be a potential go to guy that can lead them to the second round of the playoffs.

 Jabari has been disapointing so far and I agree with Monroe not fitting in. Maybe Parker or Monroe should be shopped a bit to see if they can get a guy who can space the floor and be a potential go to guy that can lead them to the second round of the playoffs.

 Bucks are the most intriguing team in the league by far, with one of the best head coaches (yes, that’s true). They have everything. Ironically their problem is…everything. Giannis has no real NBA skill, just elite NBA talent. THAT’S why his production isn’t what it should be. Parker is a good player, but he is almost (but obviously not completely) the inverse of Giannis, with supreme skill that is limited by his body type. He will always be at least somewhat injury prone as he gets older, even through potential all-star years. Monroe gives up on defense what he gives on offense. MCW is improving, but right now he is a "boom or bust" player, meaning that for stretches of the season he will be solid/strong, followed by stretches of subpar play. It’s a team completely without identity both collectively and individually.

 Bucks are the most intriguing team in the league by far, with one of the best head coaches (yes, that’s true). They have everything. Ironically their problem is…everything. Giannis has no real NBA skill, just elite NBA talent. THAT’S why his production isn’t what it should be. Parker is a good player, but he is almost (but obviously not completely) the inverse of Giannis, with supreme skill that is limited by his body type. He will always be at least somewhat injury prone as he gets older, even through potential all-star years. Monroe gives up on defense what he gives on offense. MCW is improving, but right now he is a "boom or bust" player, meaning that for stretches of the season he will be solid/strong, followed by stretches of subpar play. It’s a team completely without identity both collectively and individually.

 Three team trade involving bucks nets and rockets !!!! Lawson to bucks ,MCW to nets and jack to rockets!!! 

 Three team trade involving bucks nets and rockets !!!! Lawson to bucks ,MCW to nets and jack to rockets!!! 

Let’s play GM. As a Celtics fan, what do you want for Parker? Or Giannis? 

Let’s play GM. As a Celtics fan, what do you want for Parker? Or Giannis? 

They should keep their group and let them grow together. I’d give them time to grow. They made the playoffs last year WITHOUT Jabari and before they got Monroe, and now they have both of them in the line up. I wouldn’t even be thinking about trading Jabari.

Them not playing well now even though they made the playoffs last year isn’t that surprising to me because of how young they are and the fact that they have a young coach. It’s a whole process, the teams who get nervous and reacts to every little thing and trade players quickly usually are the ones who never become contenders.

They should keep their group and let them grow together. I’d give them time to grow. They made the playoffs last year WITHOUT Jabari and before they got Monroe, and now they have both of them in the line up. I wouldn’t even be thinking about trading Jabari.

Them not playing well now even though they made the playoffs last year isn’t that surprising to me because of how young they are and the fact that they have a young coach. It’s a whole process, the teams who get nervous and reacts to every little thing and trade players quickly usually are the ones who never become contenders.

He’s a 6th man…  There’s no other way to describe it, he simply doesn’t do anything of significance for a winning team.   Can’t spread the floor, not really a go to player, can’t defend, and despite all that, he should get minutes.  Let him go to work on the second team…

I disagree with the Giannis and Jabari statement.   I think they can potentially play together, but they’re not able to be "go-to" players on their team.   Make no mistakes about it, the Bucks are suppose to be built around them 2, but they’re forced to defer to Monroe.   They need to speed up the game and play through those 2.   Then allow their length to create offense through their defense.   You have a team full of 15 foot shooters.  You have no other choice but to run and play defense and Greg Monroe can’t do either.    

He’s a 6th man…  There’s no other way to describe it, he simply doesn’t do anything of significance for a winning team.   Can’t spread the floor, not really a go to player, can’t defend, and despite all that, he should get minutes.  Let him go to work on the second team…

I disagree with the Giannis and Jabari statement.   I think they can potentially play together, but they’re not able to be "go-to" players on their team.   Make no mistakes about it, the Bucks are suppose to be built around them 2, but they’re forced to defer to Monroe.   They need to speed up the game and play through those 2.   Then allow their length to create offense through their defense.   You have a team full of 15 foot shooters.  You have no other choice but to run and play defense and Greg Monroe can’t do either.    

 Jesus, really?

The Bucks should relax. Their core is absurdly young.  They need to let Jabari and Giannis develop to see what they have.  If either comes close to hitting their potential, this team is in a great spot.  Middleton is a great role player. in time they can potentially trade Monroe, too, but for now, he takes offensive pressure off the young guys. This is already a lost year as far as playoffs go. Develop and figure out what you have, plus want you want to do at the 1 and 5 long-term.

 Jesus, really?

The Bucks should relax. Their core is absurdly young.  They need to let Jabari and Giannis develop to see what they have.  If either comes close to hitting their potential, this team is in a great spot.  Middleton is a great role player. in time they can potentially trade Monroe, too, but for now, he takes offensive pressure off the young guys. This is already a lost year as far as playoffs go. Develop and figure out what you have, plus want you want to do at the 1 and 5 long-term.

Just wasting time by letting them develop.  Its clearly obvious that spacing is a huge issue for the team.  I said this earlier and of course got negged.

Monroe is a giant slug.  Look at how Detroit got better without him.  He’s actually the last thing that team needed. They literally need a bigman that will not clog the middle.  They needed a Porzingis or even Noel.

Giannis is a superfreak, who came into this year with star expectations given to him by the public.  Same with Jabari who thought he was a 20 point scorer.  Unfortunately, these guys are so long there is no room to operate.

I would trade Monroe, but the dude can’t really help anyone.  Maybe his game would be revived on GSW. 

Just wasting time by letting them develop.  Its clearly obvious that spacing is a huge issue for the team.  I said this earlier and of course got negged.

Monroe is a giant slug.  Look at how Detroit got better without him.  He’s actually the last thing that team needed. They literally need a bigman that will not clog the middle.  They needed a Porzingis or even Noel.

Giannis is a superfreak, who came into this year with star expectations given to him by the public.  Same with Jabari who thought he was a 20 point scorer.  Unfortunately, these guys are so long there is no room to operate.

I would trade Monroe, but the dude can’t really help anyone.  Maybe his game would be revived on GSW. 

I think both Giannis and Parker have All-Star potential, but they do not mesh well. Middleton is the only guy in the really has an ability to stretch the floor so I would look at the trade market for them, more likely Parker.

Now I look at a team like Denver and maybe try acquire their 1st rounder (top 5 protected or something like swapping picks at some point in next couple of years) and Gallinari (May require a little more). For Denver they have Maudiay and Parker to start building around as well as young pieces like Barton, Harris, Jokic, Nurkic and Lauvernge and although they may miss out on a 1st rounder they have plenty of young talent to build with.

Now for the Bucks first and foremost they get Gallo who can play both the 3/4 spot and is a very good shooter who will help space the floor. You could look at 1 – MCW 2 – Middleton 3 – Galo 4- Giannis 5 – Henson I know it is still not a lot of spacing, but you have Middleton and Gallo to space the floor as well as Giannis and Henson’s length to protect the rim. Monroe off the bench isn’t ideal, but he can probably still offer a bit (It reminds of the Randolph situation in Memphis)

The other option I see is Phoenix to try acquire Morris and Booker for Parker. TJ Warren is progressing nicely and Bledsoe and Knight are still young up and comers. A line-up of Bledsoe, Knight, Warren, Parker and Len could really be a nice way forward. The Bucks would have MCW, Middleton, Giannis, Morris and Henson/Monroe as well as a young guy like Booker off the bench who has potential to be a lights out shooter. Again not the most amazing trade in the world, but it fits a need.

These are just ideas, I do not think they will happen but I feel these are teams that would benefit from a Bucks trade. I think the Bucks would really benefit from a PG that can space the floor, however there are not a lot of those on offer as most teams seems to want to keep those players as their starting PG’s.

I think both Giannis and Parker have All-Star potential, but they do not mesh well. Middleton is the only guy in the really has an ability to stretch the floor so I would look at the trade market for them, more likely Parker.

Now I look at a team like Denver and maybe try acquire their 1st rounder (top 5 protected or something like swapping picks at some point in next couple of years) and Gallinari (May require a little more). For Denver they have Maudiay and Parker to start building around as well as young pieces like Barton, Harris, Jokic, Nurkic and Lauvernge and although they may miss out on a 1st rounder they have plenty of young talent to build with.

Now for the Bucks first and foremost they get Gallo who can play both the 3/4 spot and is a very good shooter who will help space the floor. You could look at 1 – MCW 2 – Middleton 3 – Galo 4- Giannis 5 – Henson I know it is still not a lot of spacing, but you have Middleton and Gallo to space the floor as well as Giannis and Henson’s length to protect the rim. Monroe off the bench isn’t ideal, but he can probably still offer a bit (It reminds of the Randolph situation in Memphis)

The other option I see is Phoenix to try acquire Morris and Booker for Parker. TJ Warren is progressing nicely and Bledsoe and Knight are still young up and comers. A line-up of Bledsoe, Knight, Warren, Parker and Len could really be a nice way forward. The Bucks would have MCW, Middleton, Giannis, Morris and Henson/Monroe as well as a young guy like Booker off the bench who has potential to be a lights out shooter. Again not the most amazing trade in the world, but it fits a need.

These are just ideas, I do not think they will happen but I feel these are teams that would benefit from a Bucks trade. I think the Bucks would really benefit from a PG that can space the floor, however there are not a lot of those on offer as most teams seems to want to keep those players as their starting PG’s.

 Going to the original posters point about Monroe…don’t think he’s a great fit there, but asking a starting Center to be a "floor spacer" isn’t something any team has. 

The problem with the Bucks right now is that they have subpar shooters at the 1, 3 and 4. 

When Bayless went into the game last night for MCW, everything picked up, because Bayless can at least knock down an occasional shot. 

Milwaukee will be solid and contend for a playoff spot because they are really long and can be a really good defensive team. 

They’ve got nice parts, but I’m not sure how well they all fit together. 

It isn’t over though. As somebody said, they are really young and can grow and develop still while being competitive now as well. 

 Going to the original posters point about Monroe…don’t think he’s a great fit there, but asking a starting Center to be a "floor spacer" isn’t something any team has. 

The problem with the Bucks right now is that they have subpar shooters at the 1, 3 and 4. 

When Bayless went into the game last night for MCW, everything picked up, because Bayless can at least knock down an occasional shot. 

Milwaukee will be solid and contend for a playoff spot because they are really long and can be a really good defensive team. 

They’ve got nice parts, but I’m not sure how well they all fit together. 

It isn’t over though. As somebody said, they are really young and can grow and develop still while being competitive now as well. 

 Only Middleton and Bayless have range.  

Henson and Plumlee are only players who defend inside.

Middleton’s best spot might be small forward, and that might be where Giannis and Jabari fit best too.

Ilyasova and Dudley were not good players, not good enough to start for winning teams, but for the Bucks they spread the floor and by being outside power forwards it allowed more drives for other players.

Pachulia did work hard, they replaced his effort with the Carlos Boozer offense that Monroe provides.

Not sure Monroe is a center on defense, but he is for offense, so Bucks have some problems that Detroit had.  Henson next to Monroe doesn’t help spacing, Monroe and Parker at center and power forward does not help defense.

The good news, they have talented players with trade value, so they need to get the right fit.  Choose two of Middleton, Giannis, Jabari and Monroe and build around that.

 Only Middleton and Bayless have range.  

Henson and Plumlee are only players who defend inside.

Middleton’s best spot might be small forward, and that might be where Giannis and Jabari fit best too.

Ilyasova and Dudley were not good players, not good enough to start for winning teams, but for the Bucks they spread the floor and by being outside power forwards it allowed more drives for other players.

Pachulia did work hard, they replaced his effort with the Carlos Boozer offense that Monroe provides.

Not sure Monroe is a center on defense, but he is for offense, so Bucks have some problems that Detroit had.  Henson next to Monroe doesn’t help spacing, Monroe and Parker at center and power forward does not help defense.

The good news, they have talented players with trade value, so they need to get the right fit.  Choose two of Middleton, Giannis, Jabari and Monroe and build around that.

I think the Bucks fans just have to be patient, they extended Middleton last summer and signed Monroe to a big deal so moving neither of them would make any sense.

Giannis is a key part of the team going forward and Jabari would be too. Any trade for Jabari would not bring what his value was in summer 2014, so they have to keep those two IMO.

There seems to be some issue over MCW as a high tier NBA PG and if J-Kidd cannot improve his game I don’t know who will?

Hindsight says that the Bucks maybe kept the Lakers via Phoenix pick last year and looked to cash it in maybe around draft time or still have hold of it. But MCW would still have been a leading contender for them to take with it regardless of when it happens.

The issue of Jabari, Giannis and Monroe on offence is interesting. Is Monroe more a PF? If he plays there then you have to play Jabari or Giannis at SF or put one in the 2nd unit.

I think the Bucks fans just have to be patient, they extended Middleton last summer and signed Monroe to a big deal so moving neither of them would make any sense.

Giannis is a key part of the team going forward and Jabari would be too. Any trade for Jabari would not bring what his value was in summer 2014, so they have to keep those two IMO.

There seems to be some issue over MCW as a high tier NBA PG and if J-Kidd cannot improve his game I don’t know who will?

Hindsight says that the Bucks maybe kept the Lakers via Phoenix pick last year and looked to cash it in maybe around draft time or still have hold of it. But MCW would still have been a leading contender for them to take with it regardless of when it happens.

The issue of Jabari, Giannis and Monroe on offence is interesting. Is Monroe more a PF? If he plays there then you have to play Jabari or Giannis at SF or put one in the 2nd unit.

Jabari is coming off an ACL tear, so expectations for him should be tempered, but he is 43-134 (32.1 percent) on shots that are not at the rim. Giannis is 60-186 (32.3 percent). MCW is a bit better at 81-200 (40.5 percent), but is 36-109 (33 percent) from beyond 10-feet. They are easy to guard for teams that keep them out of the paint, and they are not good enough defensively to offset it. The problem with Jabari and Giannis is that they are so committed to them that they do not want to move one to the second unit where the team would be better off, nor have they really protected themselves by having an alternative. It is a little like the situation Orlando was in last year, but they don’t have an Evan Fournier or Channing Frye. They had Ersan Ilyasova, who is better than Frye, and played well in the second half of last year, but they let him go. Maybe Markieff would work.

If you have seen Antetokounmpo, Parker, Middleton, and Monroe on the floor together, you can understand why Milwaukee would want to see it work. It is an intimidating combination of length and athleticism. Monroe, Antetokounmpo, and Parker are all good passers as well. Still, to make it work they probably need to concede Carter-Williams is a bad fit as the lead guard with them. It would be admitting to a sizable mistake, but it would be for the best. I think sometimes the combination stats can deceive because lineup combinations do not exist in a vacuum where the opponent does not matter (and obviously tougher matchups lead to +/- stats that are unfavorable whereas lesser opponents lead to more flexibility and success), but it makes sense to me as to why Parker, Antetokounmpo, and MCW are the worst three person combo on the team. Good guards come into the league every year, are available in free agency and trades, and are in greater supply than guys with the physical makeup and age of Antetokounmpo, Parker, and Monroe. 

Jabari is coming off an ACL tear, so expectations for him should be tempered, but he is 43-134 (32.1 percent) on shots that are not at the rim. Giannis is 60-186 (32.3 percent). MCW is a bit better at 81-200 (40.5 percent), but is 36-109 (33 percent) from beyond 10-feet. They are easy to guard for teams that keep them out of the paint, and they are not good enough defensively to offset it. The problem with Jabari and Giannis is that they are so committed to them that they do not want to move one to the second unit where the team would be better off, nor have they really protected themselves by having an alternative. It is a little like the situation Orlando was in last year, but they don’t have an Evan Fournier or Channing Frye. They had Ersan Ilyasova, who is better than Frye, and played well in the second half of last year, but they let him go. Maybe Markieff would work.

If you have seen Antetokounmpo, Parker, Middleton, and Monroe on the floor together, you can understand why Milwaukee would want to see it work. It is an intimidating combination of length and athleticism. Monroe, Antetokounmpo, and Parker are all good passers as well. Still, to make it work they probably need to concede Carter-Williams is a bad fit as the lead guard with them. It would be admitting to a sizable mistake, but it would be for the best. I think sometimes the combination stats can deceive because lineup combinations do not exist in a vacuum where the opponent does not matter (and obviously tougher matchups lead to +/- stats that are unfavorable whereas lesser opponents lead to more flexibility and success), but it makes sense to me as to why Parker, Antetokounmpo, and MCW are the worst three person combo on the team. Good guards come into the league every year, are available in free agency and trades, and are in greater supply than guys with the physical makeup and age of Antetokounmpo, Parker, and Monroe.