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  • #62280
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    negguary
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    Die hard sixers fan here and trust as well as endorse the process, but releasing Tony Wroten just doesn’t feel right or sit well with me. Young with potential not saying he will be a star but you need great bench players to win and he was at least that!! Smh

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  • #1033540
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     Pretty surprising move to me as I don’t follow the Sixers much.  Has he been that bad since returning from the acl?  Apparently it’s being done to make room for Ish Smith who they are bringing back for two 2nd round picks.  Are Canaan and TJ really in their plans more than Wroten was? 

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  • #1033406
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     Pretty surprising move to me as I don’t follow the Sixers much.  Has he been that bad since returning from the acl?  Apparently it’s being done to make room for Ish Smith who they are bringing back for two 2nd round picks.  Are Canaan and TJ really in their plans more than Wroten was? 

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    • #1033602
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       Marshal is almost healthy & Ish Smith is back…. Wroten was a great slasher but he looked awul since returning from ACL……

       Phila really needs to move Noel back to the PF spot & see if he & Okafor can play together now that they have serviceable Professional guards in Marshall & Smith…..

      The lane looked like a runway w/ Canaan & McConnell out there…. Opponents guards crusied right down the lane with very little effort b/c Canaan & McConnell are so bad defensively…..

       

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    • #1033468
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       Marshal is almost healthy & Ish Smith is back…. Wroten was a great slasher but he looked awul since returning from ACL……

       Phila really needs to move Noel back to the PF spot & see if he & Okafor can play together now that they have serviceable Professional guards in Marshall & Smith…..

      The lane looked like a runway w/ Canaan & McConnell out there…. Opponents guards crusied right down the lane with very little effort b/c Canaan & McConnell are so bad defensively…..

       

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  • #1033544
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    treytalkssports.com
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    Link? I’m not finding anything about it? 

     

     

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  • #1033410
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    treytalkssports.com
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    Link? I’m not finding anything about it? 

     

     

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    • #1033548
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      treytalkssports.com
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      On ESPN now. Wasn’t there before.  

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    • #1033414
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      treytalkssports.com
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      On ESPN now. Wasn’t there before.  

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  • #1033546
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    Taylor Gang Mike
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     Officially done with the Sixers if we dont get Simmons, Bacon or Ingram.. This team is horrible. Release our best player who is coming back from injury??? smh.. 1-30 goes to show you how far deep this team is in the bleep hole. Sixers have the worst team in history. No way we win 8 games this season. Wroten is only 22 and has major upside. Sad day to be a Sixers fan. Gotta feel for Tony smh

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  • #1033412
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    Taylor Gang Mike
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     Officially done with the Sixers if we dont get Simmons, Bacon or Ingram.. This team is horrible. Release our best player who is coming back from injury??? smh.. 1-30 goes to show you how far deep this team is in the bleep hole. Sixers have the worst team in history. No way we win 8 games this season. Wroten is only 22 and has major upside. Sad day to be a Sixers fan. Gotta feel for Tony smh

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    • #1033584
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      I think Colangelo is trying to make a stamp on his team going forward……

      Wroten was the only guard that could get to the rim at will.  He was also less than 2 weeks back.  Makes no sense.  If anything, he was of value as a scorer off the bench in the future.

      How we still have Jakarr Sampson, Cannonball and Hollis Thompson on this team is EMBARASSING.

      I like Ish Smith but exactly, why not just sign him in the offseason.  The second round picks if they get you a guy like Richuan Holmes and Jerami Grant…….

       

      I think Colangelo is behind these moves they go directly opposite of what Hinkie has been doing.  I don’t like it…and I hate D’Antoni on the squad.  No D-Antoni.  

       

       

       

       

        

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    • #1033450
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      I think Colangelo is trying to make a stamp on his team going forward……

      Wroten was the only guard that could get to the rim at will.  He was also less than 2 weeks back.  Makes no sense.  If anything, he was of value as a scorer off the bench in the future.

      How we still have Jakarr Sampson, Cannonball and Hollis Thompson on this team is EMBARASSING.

      I like Ish Smith but exactly, why not just sign him in the offseason.  The second round picks if they get you a guy like Richuan Holmes and Jerami Grant…….

       

      I think Colangelo is behind these moves they go directly opposite of what Hinkie has been doing.  I don’t like it…and I hate D’Antoni on the squad.  No D-Antoni.  

       

       

       

       

        

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  • #1033550
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    Hype Machine

    Ish Smith has been balling lately though. 

     

     

     

     

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  • #1033416
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    Hype Machine

    Ish Smith has been balling lately though. 

     

     

     

     

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  • #1033552
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    treytalkssports.com
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    Am I the only one who did not see Wroten’s "major upside?" I thought he might improve, but he always seemed like an inefficient, high volume scorer on a bad team, not an up-and-coming major talent. 

    This tells us a lot about the mindset of the front office regarding Wroten. They have several d-league talents on their roster that they could have let go, but they let go of Wroten. Maybe they are trying to shift the culture and Wroten would be a major hindrance to the development of that culture? 

     

     

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  • #1033418
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    Am I the only one who did not see Wroten’s "major upside?" I thought he might improve, but he always seemed like an inefficient, high volume scorer on a bad team, not an up-and-coming major talent. 

    This tells us a lot about the mindset of the front office regarding Wroten. They have several d-league talents on their roster that they could have let go, but they let go of Wroten. Maybe they are trying to shift the culture and Wroten would be a major hindrance to the development of that culture? 

     

     

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    • #1033490
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      I see Wroten like Rodney Stuckey with flashier passing, but Wroten has no mid-range game at all. Both had higher expectations than what they have shown and feast on getting to the rim and the foul line with Stuckey the Much better shooter from there.

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      • #1033842
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        treytalkssports.com
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         I can see what you are saying, but does that mean Wroten is an NBA player? I mean, Stuckey is a bench guy whose only redeeming qualities is his ability from mid-range and ability to get to the rim. If you take those away, what do you have? I don’t think you are left with an NBA player. 

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      • #1033709
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        treytalkssports.com
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         I can see what you are saying, but does that mean Wroten is an NBA player? I mean, Stuckey is a bench guy whose only redeeming qualities is his ability from mid-range and ability to get to the rim. If you take those away, what do you have? I don’t think you are left with an NBA player. 

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    • #1033624
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      tblazer_NZ
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      I see Wroten like Rodney Stuckey with flashier passing, but Wroten has no mid-range game at all. Both had higher expectations than what they have shown and feast on getting to the rim and the foul line with Stuckey the Much better shooter from there.

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  • #1033554
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    GBee
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    Wroten surprised me in that he lasted in the league this long.  He’s awful.

    He better start learning Mandarin.

     

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  • #1033420
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    GBee
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    Wroten surprised me in that he lasted in the league this long.  He’s awful.

    He better start learning Mandarin.

     

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  • #1033556
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    Illadelph
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     Philly needs a point guard.  Ish Smith ia a pg who has worked okay in the past with the Sixers.  Guess he’s the best they can get off of the scrap heap without giving up anything.  As for Wroten, it’s no big loss.  I don’t think anyone ever saw him as being a major piece going forward.

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  • #1033422
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    Illadelph
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     Philly needs a point guard.  Ish Smith ia a pg who has worked okay in the past with the Sixers.  Guess he’s the best they can get off of the scrap heap without giving up anything.  As for Wroten, it’s no big loss.  I don’t think anyone ever saw him as being a major piece going forward.

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  • #1033558
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    TRC1991
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     FIRE HINKIE

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  • #1033424
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    TRC1991
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     FIRE HINKIE

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  • #1033560
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    darcyd
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     This move is all about seeing what they have in Noel and trying to regain his form back from last year. If it doesn’t work out with Noel they will trade him at the end of the year. 

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  • #1033426
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    darcyd
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     This move is all about seeing what they have in Noel and trying to regain his form back from last year. If it doesn’t work out with Noel they will trade him at the end of the year. 

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    • #1033577
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      NBAjunkie81
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       W/ Embiid now participating in shooting drills & looking on track to return, they really need to know if Noel can play that PF role…. They are still a few years away from competing (even if everything were to go perfect w/ their plans)….. So I don’t think they need to rush into trading anyone……. But Noel look really stong the last 1/3 of the 2014 / 2105 season…… 

      I know he has really struggled w/ injuries but you don;t want to see a young kid w/ that rare blend of length & explosive athleticism regress b/c your team doesn’t have any guards who can get him the ball…..

      Noel’s #’s were insane w/ Ish Smith after the MCW trade – the final 25 games of last year w/ Ish Smith, Noel Averaged: 13.5 points, 10.5 rebounds, 2.1 assists, 2.3 steal & 2.5 blocks w/ a 49% FG%  –  

       & he finished top 10 in the Entire league for Steals & Blocks….. the kid very quietly had an excellenet rookie campaign….. but he has struggled early this year……

       

       

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    • #1033710
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       W/ Embiid now participating in shooting drills & looking on track to return, they really need to know if Noel can play that PF role…. They are still a few years away from competing (even if everything were to go perfect w/ their plans)….. So I don’t think they need to rush into trading anyone……. But Noel look really stong the last 1/3 of the 2014 / 2105 season…… 

      I know he has really struggled w/ injuries but you don;t want to see a young kid w/ that rare blend of length & explosive athleticism regress b/c your team doesn’t have any guards who can get him the ball…..

      Noel’s #’s were insane w/ Ish Smith after the MCW trade – the final 25 games of last year w/ Ish Smith, Noel Averaged: 13.5 points, 10.5 rebounds, 2.1 assists, 2.3 steal & 2.5 blocks w/ a 49% FG%  –  

       & he finished top 10 in the Entire league for Steals & Blocks….. the kid very quietly had an excellenet rookie campaign….. but he has struggled early this year……

       

       

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  • #1033562
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    SubZero
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    Think Colangelo had anything to do with this? Maybe he didn’t think Wroten’s attitude fit with the culture he has in mind

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  • #1033428
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    SubZero
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    Think Colangelo had anything to do with this? Maybe he didn’t think Wroten’s attitude fit with the culture he has in mind

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  • #1033572
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    Proximo
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     Utah should claim him..

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  • #1033438
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    Proximo
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     Utah should claim him..

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  • #1033578
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    properbreaks
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    Let me get this straight…… (lol) You’re 1-30 and you JUST get back your young leading scorer from last year who was injured and you release him for nothing? After he plays 8 games???? Not trade him, but release him for absolutely nothing in return.

    You also have to take into account that when he got injured last year, you traded your other point guard who started with him and was the rookie of the year the previous year, for yet another draft pick and was left with no point guard? And now trade two second rounder picks to get another pg in Ish Smith, who mind you was on their team last year also, and they didn’t resign. (super laugh) Seems like they have it all figured out…… This can’t be real.

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  • #1033444
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    properbreaks
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    Let me get this straight…… (lol) You’re 1-30 and you JUST get back your young leading scorer from last year who was injured and you release him for nothing? After he plays 8 games???? Not trade him, but release him for absolutely nothing in return.

    You also have to take into account that when he got injured last year, you traded your other point guard who started with him and was the rookie of the year the previous year, for yet another draft pick and was left with no point guard? And now trade two second rounder picks to get another pg in Ish Smith, who mind you was on their team last year also, and they didn’t resign. (super laugh) Seems like they have it all figured out…… This can’t be real.

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  • #1033580
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    properbreaks
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    In the end, they traded away there leading scorer for nothing and somehow managed to trade 2 picks for a player who was on already on the team last year, that they could have signed for next to nothing.

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  • #1033446
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    properbreaks
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    In the end, they traded away there leading scorer for nothing and somehow managed to trade 2 picks for a player who was on already on the team last year, that they could have signed for next to nothing.

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    • #1033582
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      SlickBouncePass
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       horrible

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    • #1033448
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      SlickBouncePass
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       horrible

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  • #1033598
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    Willfb3
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    …. Why… just why 🙁 this is beyond frustrating. Wroten is a young, solid player who has the potential to become a good player… and we do it to add Ish Smith?!?! Lord have Mercy! Smith is never going to be worth anything. WTF!?!?!?!?!?! 

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  • #1033464
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    Willfb3
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    …. Why… just why 🙁 this is beyond frustrating. Wroten is a young, solid player who has the potential to become a good player… and we do it to add Ish Smith?!?! Lord have Mercy! Smith is never going to be worth anything. WTF!?!?!?!?!?! 

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  • #1033600
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    BallerScript
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     I think the Rockets might take a look at Wroten as a replacement for Lawson soon.

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  • #1033466
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    BallerScript
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     I think the Rockets might take a look at Wroten as a replacement for Lawson soon.

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  • #1033604
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    llperez

     In 20 years when the sixers make the playoffs you guys are gonna feel so stupid for questioning what they are doing. 

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  • #1033470
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    llperez

     In 20 years when the sixers make the playoffs you guys are gonna feel so stupid for questioning what they are doing. 

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    • #1033472
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      BallerScript
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       20 years…

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    • #1033606
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      BallerScript
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       20 years…

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  • #1033474
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    What’s the big deal? I’m surprised people are in shock. Dumpster fire team gets rid of dumpster fire caliber player. I assume this is a move made by Colangelo, who actually knows basketball. If it was made by Hinkie, it would have been Wroten going out for a 2nd rounder. What does Wroten give you besides (bad) empty stats? He doesn’t make anyone better, can’t shoot, not much of a passer, rebounder or defender. Smith is at least an NBA caliber player. The only mistake is trading for a guy you likely could have just kept, but once again that wasn’t on Colangelo’s watch. You don’t need a pg that’s chucking up shots. You need a pg that can get the ball to your other young guys to help them develop. 

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  • #1033608
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    What’s the big deal? I’m surprised people are in shock. Dumpster fire team gets rid of dumpster fire caliber player. I assume this is a move made by Colangelo, who actually knows basketball. If it was made by Hinkie, it would have been Wroten going out for a 2nd rounder. What does Wroten give you besides (bad) empty stats? He doesn’t make anyone better, can’t shoot, not much of a passer, rebounder or defender. Smith is at least an NBA caliber player. The only mistake is trading for a guy you likely could have just kept, but once again that wasn’t on Colangelo’s watch. You don’t need a pg that’s chucking up shots. You need a pg that can get the ball to your other young guys to help them develop. 

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  • #1033476
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     Sixers offered up Wroten in trade and Pelicans declined, wanted picks.  Teams who can claim Wroten off waivers-BKN, POR, MIN, MIL, UTH, WAS, MIA, OKC, CLE, GSW

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  • #1033610
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     Sixers offered up Wroten in trade and Pelicans declined, wanted picks.  Teams who can claim Wroten off waivers-BKN, POR, MIN, MIL, UTH, WAS, MIA, OKC, CLE, GSW

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  • #1033486
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    holefillers1
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     Literally reporting news. Thanks guys

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  • #1033620
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    holefillers1
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     Literally reporting news. Thanks guys

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  • #1033498
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    Yes great move indeed by Mr. Colangelo. It is about accountability, responsibility and most important for Philly winning. Look Wroten is a great talent, has some unique skills but since he is in the league he is a minus, a big minus. Low fg%, absurd ft% and high turnover rate and he is so selfish, yes empty stats without help for the team. Since he came back he played bad, but the way he pressed it was not tolerable. His 5 minutes shifts were filled with turnovers, bad shots and bad body language. If this is your premiere guard then wtf?! On the other hand Wroten has to start understanding he will never be the one player, a rotation player in the L is his ceiling.

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  • #1033632
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    Yes great move indeed by Mr. Colangelo. It is about accountability, responsibility and most important for Philly winning. Look Wroten is a great talent, has some unique skills but since he is in the league he is a minus, a big minus. Low fg%, absurd ft% and high turnover rate and he is so selfish, yes empty stats without help for the team. Since he came back he played bad, but the way he pressed it was not tolerable. His 5 minutes shifts were filled with turnovers, bad shots and bad body language. If this is your premiere guard then wtf?! On the other hand Wroten has to start understanding he will never be the one player, a rotation player in the L is his ceiling.

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  • #1033500
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     Wroten hasnt improved in any area since we got him.  Hes still a one handed turnover machine who cant shoot and has loss some quicknesst wit the injury.  He was offeres in the trade and the Pelicans didnt want him for all them reasons.  Hes a poor mans Lance Stephenson at this point.  

     

    Ish has really improved and is past first pg who can get in the lane at will and gives bigs easy looks.  Noels really took off with Ish last year.  Sixers also got D Antoni the fold now and need some guards who can get the offense going 

     

     

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  • #1033634
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     Wroten hasnt improved in any area since we got him.  Hes still a one handed turnover machine who cant shoot and has loss some quicknesst wit the injury.  He was offeres in the trade and the Pelicans didnt want him for all them reasons.  Hes a poor mans Lance Stephenson at this point.  

     

    Ish has really improved and is past first pg who can get in the lane at will and gives bigs easy looks.  Noels really took off with Ish last year.  Sixers also got D Antoni the fold now and need some guards who can get the offense going 

     

     

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  • #1033502
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     I’m sorry but I just don’t see the Tony Wrote hype. I’ve never seen it in him. He’s an alright player, but that’s it. I don’t like him as a starter at all. He led the Sixers in scoring but that’s not saying much. Ish Smith is a much better PG than him.

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  • #1033636
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     I’m sorry but I just don’t see the Tony Wrote hype. I’ve never seen it in him. He’s an alright player, but that’s it. I don’t like him as a starter at all. He led the Sixers in scoring but that’s not saying much. Ish Smith is a much better PG than him.

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  • #1033519
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    Cynthia
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    This is why the Sixers will not get better in the forseeable future. Every time they get a decent player they trade him or let him go via free agency. You can pile on all the rookies and DLeaguers you want, but you got to keep the good ones, something they’ve yet to do. It’s hard to build chemistry when half your team is different every single year.

    Now I’m not saying I think Wroten is an exceptional player, he’s average at best but he’s young and has a lot of potential. I see no reason why they couldn’t have traded him and got something in return, waiving him just makes zero sense. I have no doubt Wroten will be picked up very soon by another team.

    This "franchise" is a disgrace among professional sports, not just basketball.

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    • #1033523
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       They tried trading him nobody wanted him.  They tried putting him in the Ish Smith deal and Pelicans declined.  And Ish Smith is better so they upgraded.

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    • #1033655
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       They tried trading him nobody wanted him.  They tried putting him in the Ish Smith deal and Pelicans declined.  And Ish Smith is better so they upgraded.

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  • #1033652
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    This is why the Sixers will not get better in the forseeable future. Every time they get a decent player they trade him or let him go via free agency. You can pile on all the rookies and DLeaguers you want, but you got to keep the good ones, something they’ve yet to do. It’s hard to build chemistry when half your team is different every single year.

    Now I’m not saying I think Wroten is an exceptional player, he’s average at best but he’s young and has a lot of potential. I see no reason why they couldn’t have traded him and got something in return, waiving him just makes zero sense. I have no doubt Wroten will be picked up very soon by another team.

    This "franchise" is a disgrace among professional sports, not just basketball.

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  • #1033525
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    GBee
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    I guess I have to yet again spell out just how abysmal of a player Wroten is. No, he’s not "average at best.” He is bottom of the barrel. For one, just look at his qualities as a player. He’s ball-dominant, yet he has a horrible IQ, extremely TO prone, has poor shot selection and has no concept of running an offense…but still thinks he’s a PG. He can’t play off the ball because he can’t shoot and doesn’t know how to move without it. His greatest attribute is his slashing but he doesn’t even finish at an average rate in large part because he drives into brick walls and makes poor decisions in traffic. On top of that, he shoots FTs like an unskilled big man. He’s athletic but he’s a piss poor defender, one of the WORST in the league last year which led to him having the worst RPM among all guards who got starter’s or near starter’s minutes last year. So lemme rephrase that so that some of you might understand. There wasn’t a single guard in the league who had a larger net negative impact on his team than Wroten.

     

    Who cares if he was their leading scorer? He made an awful team worse when he was on the floor. You look at how inefficient he was (sub .500 TS) and it made no damn sense for him to be chewing up as many possessions as he did, but there he was hogging the ball to the tune of a 31% usage rate. To put that into perspective, here are some of the names that take up that % of their team’s possessions last year: Westbrook, Harden, Cousins, Lebron. Those guys’ USG rates are justified. Wroten’s is laughably inexcusable. So if you want to know why he was their leading scorer in the games that he played, it’s because of a ridiculously high and unjustified usage rate aka horribly inefficient, high volume of possessions. What’s even crazier is that despite just coming off of injury and being rusty, he had an even higher USG rate in the games that he played this year, while putting up putrid numbers in the process. That is insane and is a sign that a player is, among other things, clueless of his own limitations and a team concept. It’s like dude basically said, “screw building chemistry, easing myself back into the fold or helping these young guys develop. I’m gonna play my game and get mine.” I bet Colangelo took a look at how Tony’s play impacted the team and immediately sought out ways to get rid of him.

     

     He’s a garbage player and 6ers won’t miss him. Neither will the league. It’s unfathomable to me how people can watch him and still be intrigued. I mean this is the 2nd time before his rookie contract was over that he was essentially let go for nothing (top 50 protected 2nd rounder is basically nothing). He could’ve easily been included in the Pels deal, but they didn’t want him. You look at the entire package and what team could use that? Low IQ, ball-dominant guards who can’t shoot or defend aren’t in demand. Neither are slashers who don’t even finish well. Combine all that in one player and that screams D-League, China or the Ball Up tour. Not even Europe outside of the lowest of the low levels could use that.

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    • #1033531
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      Cobra
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       Agreed. The amount of people in this thread that think Wroten has potential astonishes me. He’s an abysmal player since he was drafted. The Grizzlies gave him away for free after his rookie year.

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      • #1033533
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        which is slashing and putting up points, above 20 a game last year on a bad team.  

        the team is running out guys that barely have NBA skills period.  (Hollis Thompson and Cannonball are atrocious overall.  they might do one thing well, but they are just as damaging with poor play).

        I read elsewhere that Jakarr Sampson is working on his offhand.  Let him do that in the D-league while we add an NBA player to our roster.   Why get rid of a guy with an actual NBA skill.

        Unless Wroten was a problem in the clubhouse, you have to let him develop into his body (he’s out of shape, weak hands right now), and see if he can overcome his turnovers.  

        This move was too quick and you had too many other options that you could let go while having Ish Smith run the team and then bringing in Wroten off the bench for some offense.  If it doesn’t work, put him back on the bench.  What you know is that he can get you to the bucket a lot better than watching TJ McConnell get smothered by MCW.

         

        This is more damning of Kendall Marshall…..that dude just looks bad and I thoguht he had the IQ to run a team.  He has the same legs as D’Angelo Russell without the shot of D’Angelo.  

         

         

         

         

         

         

         

         

          

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        which is slashing and putting up points, above 20 a game last year on a bad team.  

        the team is running out guys that barely have NBA skills period.  (Hollis Thompson and Cannonball are atrocious overall.  they might do one thing well, but they are just as damaging with poor play).

        I read elsewhere that Jakarr Sampson is working on his offhand.  Let him do that in the D-league while we add an NBA player to our roster.   Why get rid of a guy with an actual NBA skill.

        Unless Wroten was a problem in the clubhouse, you have to let him develop into his body (he’s out of shape, weak hands right now), and see if he can overcome his turnovers.  

        This move was too quick and you had too many other options that you could let go while having Ish Smith run the team and then bringing in Wroten off the bench for some offense.  If it doesn’t work, put him back on the bench.  What you know is that he can get you to the bucket a lot better than watching TJ McConnell get smothered by MCW.

         

        This is more damning of Kendall Marshall…..that dude just looks bad and I thoguht he had the IQ to run a team.  He has the same legs as D’Angelo Russell without the shot of D’Angelo.  

         

         

         

         

         

         

         

         

          

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       Agreed. The amount of people in this thread that think Wroten has potential astonishes me. He’s an abysmal player since he was drafted. The Grizzlies gave him away for free after his rookie year.

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       Tony Wroten’s basketball IQ is atrocious. I’ve never seen a guard who consistently turns the ball over as badly as Wroten. You’re right, but it’s still surprising to see.

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       Tony Wroten’s basketball IQ is atrocious. I’ve never seen a guard who consistently turns the ball over as badly as Wroten. You’re right, but it’s still surprising to see.

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    I guess I have to yet again spell out just how abysmal of a player Wroten is. No, he’s not "average at best.” He is bottom of the barrel. For one, just look at his qualities as a player. He’s ball-dominant, yet he has a horrible IQ, extremely TO prone, has poor shot selection and has no concept of running an offense…but still thinks he’s a PG. He can’t play off the ball because he can’t shoot and doesn’t know how to move without it. His greatest attribute is his slashing but he doesn’t even finish at an average rate in large part because he drives into brick walls and makes poor decisions in traffic. On top of that, he shoots FTs like an unskilled big man. He’s athletic but he’s a piss poor defender, one of the WORST in the league last year which led to him having the worst RPM among all guards who got starter’s or near starter’s minutes last year. So lemme rephrase that so that some of you might understand. There wasn’t a single guard in the league who had a larger net negative impact on his team than Wroten.

     

    Who cares if he was their leading scorer? He made an awful team worse when he was on the floor. You look at how inefficient he was (sub .500 TS) and it made no damn sense for him to be chewing up as many possessions as he did, but there he was hogging the ball to the tune of a 31% usage rate. To put that into perspective, here are some of the names that take up that % of their team’s possessions last year: Westbrook, Harden, Cousins, Lebron. Those guys’ USG rates are justified. Wroten’s is laughably inexcusable. So if you want to know why he was their leading scorer in the games that he played, it’s because of a ridiculously high and unjustified usage rate aka horribly inefficient, high volume of possessions. What’s even crazier is that despite just coming off of injury and being rusty, he had an even higher USG rate in the games that he played this year, while putting up putrid numbers in the process. That is insane and is a sign that a player is, among other things, clueless of his own limitations and a team concept. It’s like dude basically said, “screw building chemistry, easing myself back into the fold or helping these young guys develop. I’m gonna play my game and get mine.” I bet Colangelo took a look at how Tony’s play impacted the team and immediately sought out ways to get rid of him.

     

     He’s a garbage player and 6ers won’t miss him. Neither will the league. It’s unfathomable to me how people can watch him and still be intrigued. I mean this is the 2nd time before his rookie contract was over that he was essentially let go for nothing (top 50 protected 2nd rounder is basically nothing). He could’ve easily been included in the Pels deal, but they didn’t want him. You look at the entire package and what team could use that? Low IQ, ball-dominant guards who can’t shoot or defend aren’t in demand. Neither are slashers who don’t even finish well. Combine all that in one player and that screams D-League, China or the Ball Up tour. Not even Europe outside of the lowest of the low levels could use that.

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  • #1033547
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    what better xmas present for wroten,than to be relieved of the 76ers?

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    what better xmas present for wroten,than to be relieved of the 76ers?

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  • #1033782
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     You obviously don’t watch a lot of Sixers games. Wroten doesn’t have any potential, and will likely be in a foreign league starring in a year or two.

    What he is is an electric athlete with a lot of guts, but he is not even close to being a point guard, nor can he shoot, or play off the ball. There is no NBA role that he can fill.

    He is only suited to being the star of the team with the ball in his hands all of the time, yet he isn’t good enough to do that in the NBA.

    He seems like a great kid, and I think that he will make millions playing basketball somewhere outside of the NBA.

    As for getting back Ish, I think that this corrects the one mistake that Hinkie has made. We never should have let him go in the offseason. Now we had to pay a premium for that mistake. You live you learn. 

    I think that Ish will settle us down right away and reduce the chaos in the back court. This is a great move for Okafor and Noel, who need competent guard play to develop. If nothing else, Ish Smith is a heady and competent guard.

     

     

    I love the move.

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     You obviously don’t watch a lot of Sixers games. Wroten doesn’t have any potential, and will likely be in a foreign league starring in a year or two.

    What he is is an electric athlete with a lot of guts, but he is not even close to being a point guard, nor can he shoot, or play off the ball. There is no NBA role that he can fill.

    He is only suited to being the star of the team with the ball in his hands all of the time, yet he isn’t good enough to do that in the NBA.

    He seems like a great kid, and I think that he will make millions playing basketball somewhere outside of the NBA.

    As for getting back Ish, I think that this corrects the one mistake that Hinkie has made. We never should have let him go in the offseason. Now we had to pay a premium for that mistake. You live you learn. 

    I think that Ish will settle us down right away and reduce the chaos in the back court. This is a great move for Okafor and Noel, who need competent guard play to develop. If nothing else, Ish Smith is a heady and competent guard.

     

     

    I love the move.

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     Definitely a good move by the 76ers. Prior mistakes cannot be undone. They obviously should have resigned Smith as he helped develop the team’s culture and key players. They lose a couple second rounders for him and Tony Wroten has looked terrible since returning. His key features were his explosiveness and tenacious aggression attacking. He looks like he’s lost a step and is as turnover prone as ever. His decision-making has gotten worse.

    Philly should immediately be rewarded by making this move . Can’t wait to so Noel and Okafor now!

     

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     Definitely a good move by the 76ers. Prior mistakes cannot be undone. They obviously should have resigned Smith as he helped develop the team’s culture and key players. They lose a couple second rounders for him and Tony Wroten has looked terrible since returning. His key features were his explosiveness and tenacious aggression attacking. He looks like he’s lost a step and is as turnover prone as ever. His decision-making has gotten worse.

    Philly should immediately be rewarded by making this move . Can’t wait to so Noel and Okafor now!

     

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  • #1033847
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     wroten is the 11th player from the 2012 draft that failed to play out his rookie deal with the team that drafted him…

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     wroten is the 11th player from the 2012 draft that failed to play out his rookie deal with the team that drafted him…

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