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- Posted on: Sun, 12/20/2015 - 8:33am #62232
TripleDoubleScoutParticipantEvery once in a while, there is a post on here that attempts to rank or categorize players. These posts are generally fun, but there has been a tendency at times to go overboard on the part of some of my fellow posters. While I think some of this is due to "youthful exuberance" (kids that don’t know any better) sometimes I wonder if some of the basketball knowledge/acumen has been lost on this site in the past 5 or 6 years,which has already been said by some of our older posters. I mean, with all due respect, some of the player comps and opinions I read here now are, if not really lazy, they are not…smart…at all. Again, most of the posters here have incredible bball acumen, but one of the things that bug me is player rankings/categories. I would like to share my formula for player rankings and get you all’s feedback. I like to use a 5 tier system of ranks. Here is a breakdown:
Franchise Player/Legend: This is the highest tier reserved for star players on championship teams, or at least players that if you took them out of their current lineup, their team would automatically lose at least 25 more games than they would with them. The list of players that fit this description is less than 10, actually about 5 or so. Franchise players positively impact their franchise’s present AND future.
Superstar: This is where most All-Star starters fall. These are the players that routinely dominate most nights, fill up highlight reels, and sell tickets.
All-Star/All-World: Players that make up an all-star team’s bench, somewhat consistently. Players that contend for individual season awards (except MVP) also makeup this category.
Impact Role Player: Players that consistently do damage to opposing teams in limited minutes and are in high demand every year by teams looking to bolster their bench.
Scrub/Journeyman/Bench Filler: No explanation needed.
Now, using this system as a guideline, it is clear where most if not every player falls. What do you guys think? Is it fair and accurate? Where do your favorite players fall?
0 - Posted on: Sun, 12/20/2015 - 8:43am #1032568
Arc12345ParticipantAll-time or current? I’m assuming current because there are more than 5 legends ever.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 12/20/2015 - 8:43am #1032703
Arc12345ParticipantAll-time or current? I’m assuming current because there are more than 5 legends ever.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 12/20/2015 - 10:23am #1032717
Hype MachineI think there’s a category between "all star"" and "Impactful Role Player".
All-Star/All World – "End of All-Star Bench & Contending for league Awards"
Impactful Role Player – "Limited Minutes, Bench Players".
Surely 80% of the league starters fit somewhere in between there? Eg someone like Derrick Favors. Isn’t an All-Star, but you couldn’t call him a role player either.
Perhaps the category should simply be "Career starter".
0 - Posted on: Sun, 12/20/2015 - 10:23am #1032582
Hype MachineI think there’s a category between "all star"" and "Impactful Role Player".
All-Star/All World – "End of All-Star Bench & Contending for league Awards"
Impactful Role Player – "Limited Minutes, Bench Players".
Surely 80% of the league starters fit somewhere in between there? Eg someone like Derrick Favors. Isn’t an All-Star, but you couldn’t call him a role player either.
Perhaps the category should simply be "Career starter".
0- Posted on: Sun, 12/20/2015 - 1:00pm #1032727
TripleDoubleScoutParticipantHave to respectfully disagree with you there. I think most people here would absolutely say Favors is a fantastic role player
0 - Posted on: Sun, 12/20/2015 - 1:00pm #1032592
TripleDoubleScoutParticipantHave to respectfully disagree with you there. I think most people here would absolutely say Favors is a fantastic role player
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- Posted on: Sun, 12/20/2015 - 2:00pm #1032741
trelos6ParticipantGeneration player – A guy like Lebron who comes around once in a generation.
Franchise player – A guy who can put his team on his back and carry them for a few seasons. Eg. Melo
Superstar – a guy who puts up awesome stats, but hasn’t really won much. Eg. Cousins
Star – All-star team member. On bench usually. Eg. Lillard
Impact role player – on the cusp of all star but never quite gets there. Eg. Rudy Gay type
Above average role player – a guy who can break out for a few games, but is inconsistent. Eg. Jeff Green type
Role player – a guy who gets consistent minutes. Eg. Patrick Beverly
Scrub/gino time – Usually a young guy, or wiley veteran providing a locker room presecne. Eg. David Lee, James Young
0 - Posted on: Sun, 12/20/2015 - 2:00pm #1032606
trelos6ParticipantGeneration player – A guy like Lebron who comes around once in a generation.
Franchise player – A guy who can put his team on his back and carry them for a few seasons. Eg. Melo
Superstar – a guy who puts up awesome stats, but hasn’t really won much. Eg. Cousins
Star – All-star team member. On bench usually. Eg. Lillard
Impact role player – on the cusp of all star but never quite gets there. Eg. Rudy Gay type
Above average role player – a guy who can break out for a few games, but is inconsistent. Eg. Jeff Green type
Role player – a guy who gets consistent minutes. Eg. Patrick Beverly
Scrub/gino time – Usually a young guy, or wiley veteran providing a locker room presecne. Eg. David Lee, James Young
0 - Posted on: Sun, 12/20/2015 - 3:12pm #1032759
TripleDoubleScoutParticipantList of franchise players: James, A. Davis, Curry (of the last two years), Durant (barely), and incredibly, still D-Wade. A case could be made for and against Harden, so he gets left off my Franchise list and into the Superstar category.
Some of the Superstar category: Aldridge and Leonard of the Spurs are here, along with Melo, Westbrook, George, Kyrie, etc.
Some All-Star/All-Worlds: Cousins and Drummond just miss my Superstar label, as they are talented and productive, but are flawed don’t move the needle on their own as far as wins. Butler, Lillard, DeRozan, Bosh, Thompson, etc.
I’m pretty tough when it comes to player rankings and assessments lol
0 - Posted on: Sun, 12/20/2015 - 3:12pm #1032624
TripleDoubleScoutParticipantList of franchise players: James, A. Davis, Curry (of the last two years), Durant (barely), and incredibly, still D-Wade. A case could be made for and against Harden, so he gets left off my Franchise list and into the Superstar category.
Some of the Superstar category: Aldridge and Leonard of the Spurs are here, along with Melo, Westbrook, George, Kyrie, etc.
Some All-Star/All-Worlds: Cousins and Drummond just miss my Superstar label, as they are talented and productive, but are flawed don’t move the needle on their own as far as wins. Butler, Lillard, DeRozan, Bosh, Thompson, etc.
I’m pretty tough when it comes to player rankings and assessments lol
0- Posted on: Sun, 12/20/2015 - 6:26pm #1032799
PulseGlazerParticipantThere’s zero chance Wade is a franchise player right now. Maybe for 35 games a year.
Kawhai and George are knocking on that superstar door. No idea what to do with Westbrook.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 12/20/2015 - 6:26pm #1032664
PulseGlazerParticipantThere’s zero chance Wade is a franchise player right now. Maybe for 35 games a year.
Kawhai and George are knocking on that superstar door. No idea what to do with Westbrook.
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- Posted on: Sun, 12/20/2015 - 4:20pm #1032765
Memphis MadnessParticipantYeah, I have done this using a star system. 5 star GOATs, 4 star superstars, 3 stars All Star, 2 star semi all Star Mike Conley types then 1 star high level rotation guys and role players.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 12/20/2015 - 4:20pm #1032630
Memphis MadnessParticipantYeah, I have done this using a star system. 5 star GOATs, 4 star superstars, 3 stars All Star, 2 star semi all Star Mike Conley types then 1 star high level rotation guys and role players.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 12/21/2015 - 5:18am #1032716
treytalkssports.comParticipantI used to maintain a blog that has these basic categories. But I also added three levels within each category.
The first level was can’t miss "franchise" or "all-star" or "starter" or whatever. These were players who were not risky and pretty obviously fell into their tiers.
The second level was players with at least one quesiton about their development. It could be IQ, work ethic, injuries, personal issues, or a serious limitations in his game. These players were more risky because they had to overcome something.
The third level players had at least two of the limitations from above.
The "rule" that I established when drafting was that you could not take a player from a lower category while a player from a higher category was available (so you could not take an "all-star" player while a "franchise" player was available) except in one situation: when a level one player from a lower category was available at the same time as a level 3 risky category, you could take the level one player from a lower category.
I think this method helps to weigh risk and reward well.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 12/21/2015 - 5:18am #1032851
treytalkssports.comParticipantI used to maintain a blog that has these basic categories. But I also added three levels within each category.
The first level was can’t miss "franchise" or "all-star" or "starter" or whatever. These were players who were not risky and pretty obviously fell into their tiers.
The second level was players with at least one quesiton about their development. It could be IQ, work ethic, injuries, personal issues, or a serious limitations in his game. These players were more risky because they had to overcome something.
The third level players had at least two of the limitations from above.
The "rule" that I established when drafting was that you could not take a player from a lower category while a player from a higher category was available (so you could not take an "all-star" player while a "franchise" player was available) except in one situation: when a level one player from a lower category was available at the same time as a level 3 risky category, you could take the level one player from a lower category.
I think this method helps to weigh risk and reward well.
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