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- Posted on: Sat, 12/12/2015 - 3:40pm #62165
holefillers1ParticipantI was thinking about this a couple weeks ago when Kobe announced his retirement. He was drafted 13th in 96′. He was playing and beating NBA players one on one since he was a junior in H.S. still went 13. The NBA needs to get back to assesing players for who they are rather than trying to gauge the potential. The easist way to do this is bump the NBA minimum to two years of college/removed from H.S. Allowing a player to develop for two years will help eliminate draft busts. Skal Labbisierre looks years away from developing yet if he declares for the draft he will go top ten based on the “P” word. Probably flame out of the league in a couple years. But if Skal where able to have a coach that could put him on a two year plan to develop his game, we would then see either an improved player with a tangible skillset or someone that most likely needs another year to mature and grow his game. But a player that can be correctly scouted, then slotted in the draft. Skal was just one example. A quick search on the readers part will produce dozens of others over the last 10 yrs.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 12/12/2015 - 3:48pm #1031168
Gold ChainA lot of these kids’ families live in war zones, in extreme poverty and with food insecurity.
Your plan ignores all that and would sentence a lot of little brothers and sisters, and parents, to living in extreme poverty in a war zone for another year.
While the ncaa and media conglomerates make more billions of dollars off the backs of poor black kids who should be millionaires already.
F That
0 - Posted on: Sat, 12/12/2015 - 3:48pm #1031034
Gold ChainA lot of these kids’ families live in war zones, in extreme poverty and with food insecurity.
Your plan ignores all that and would sentence a lot of little brothers and sisters, and parents, to living in extreme poverty in a war zone for another year.
While the ncaa and media conglomerates make more billions of dollars off the backs of poor black kids who should be millionaires already.
F That
0- Posted on: Sun, 12/13/2015 - 3:36am #1031295
frogmanParticipantSettle down these kids were not raised in Syria. You are acting like having 10 kids wait one year to be millionaires is such a blasphemous thing. I don’t agree it should go to two years but your reasoning is stupid and from the rest of your comments on this thread you clearly are just talking without any fact.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 12/13/2015 - 3:36am #1031160
frogmanParticipantSettle down these kids were not raised in Syria. You are acting like having 10 kids wait one year to be millionaires is such a blasphemous thing. I don’t agree it should go to two years but your reasoning is stupid and from the rest of your comments on this thread you clearly are just talking without any fact.
0- Posted on: Sun, 12/13/2015 - 5:51am #1031179
Gold ChainYou’d be surprised. Ask Ben McLemore, for one.
And ever since the media made a martyr out of Big Mike Brown in Ferguson, murder rates are skyrocketing in a lot of inner cities.
They just don’t report it.
0- Posted on: Sun, 12/13/2015 - 1:23pm #1031245
terrancebowerParticipantIf the finances are that bad any high ranked recruit could get a deal in China or Europe for hundreds of thousands of dollars. The only way that it hurts their stock is if theyre not actually good, in which case they dont deserve to be lottery picks anyways…. There’s also the 99.9 percent of other impoverished people who don’t have the option of becoming a millionaire without earning it so its hard to feel bad for someone who has to wait an extra 12 months to be set for like at 20 years old
0 - Posted on: Sun, 12/13/2015 - 1:23pm #1031378
terrancebowerParticipantIf the finances are that bad any high ranked recruit could get a deal in China or Europe for hundreds of thousands of dollars. The only way that it hurts their stock is if theyre not actually good, in which case they dont deserve to be lottery picks anyways…. There’s also the 99.9 percent of other impoverished people who don’t have the option of becoming a millionaire without earning it so its hard to feel bad for someone who has to wait an extra 12 months to be set for like at 20 years old
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- Posted on: Sun, 12/13/2015 - 5:51am #1031313
Gold ChainYou’d be surprised. Ask Ben McLemore, for one.
And ever since the media made a martyr out of Big Mike Brown in Ferguson, murder rates are skyrocketing in a lot of inner cities.
They just don’t report it.
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- Posted on: Sat, 12/12/2015 - 3:59pm #1031172
holefillers1ParticipantWasn’t trying to put out a five point plan on a MB. But if you get a free education and maybe some assistance from the NCAA in the form of some kind of student athlete profit sharing yadda yadda then maybe the best thing for these kids is to STAY IN SCHOOL.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 12/12/2015 - 3:59pm #1031038
holefillers1ParticipantWasn’t trying to put out a five point plan on a MB. But if you get a free education and maybe some assistance from the NCAA in the form of some kind of student athlete profit sharing yadda yadda then maybe the best thing for these kids is to STAY IN SCHOOL.
0- Posted on: Sat, 12/12/2015 - 4:13pm #1031176
Gold ChainLike I said, and what you can’t seem to empathize with: These kids have little brothers and sisters and parents living in 3rd world war conditions.
Why is that so hard to empathize with?
You wouldn’t want to walk down their streets once, much less every day, back and forth to school and back, etc, living on food stamps, etc.
This is America, not People’s Republic of China.
Right to work, right to make a living, right to help your family move out of 3rd world conditions.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 12/12/2015 - 4:13pm #1031042
Gold ChainLike I said, and what you can’t seem to empathize with: These kids have little brothers and sisters and parents living in 3rd world war conditions.
Why is that so hard to empathize with?
You wouldn’t want to walk down their streets once, much less every day, back and forth to school and back, etc, living on food stamps, etc.
This is America, not People’s Republic of China.
Right to work, right to make a living, right to help your family move out of 3rd world conditions.
0- Posted on: Sun, 12/13/2015 - 6:16am #1031183
ph90702You’re an idiot and part of the modern day problems in the US. Work is not a right. Making a living is not a right. They are privileges. We have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 12/13/2015 - 6:16am #1031317
ph90702You’re an idiot and part of the modern day problems in the US. Work is not a right. Making a living is not a right. They are privileges. We have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
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- Posted on: Sat, 12/12/2015 - 4:20pm #1031178
SkalAndJamalParticipantOr they can just have a coach that tells them you are not ready and you dont need the money? I think if we adopt more restrictions on when you can leave, it will be the tipping point for some guys and they will just play overseas… which would hurt college bball even more.
Plus what most people dont realize is that more college usually means these players just get exposed and never make the nba at all… might as well just let them go when their stock is hot. No reason to feel bad for a GM who drafts a 19-years-old. Like Calipari said, deal with it.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 12/12/2015 - 4:20pm #1031044
SkalAndJamalParticipantOr they can just have a coach that tells them you are not ready and you dont need the money? I think if we adopt more restrictions on when you can leave, it will be the tipping point for some guys and they will just play overseas… which would hurt college bball even more.
Plus what most people dont realize is that more college usually means these players just get exposed and never make the nba at all… might as well just let them go when their stock is hot. No reason to feel bad for a GM who drafts a 19-years-old. Like Calipari said, deal with it.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 12/12/2015 - 4:21pm #1031180
holefillers1ParticipantSkal was an example. As i stated in original post, i guess you didnt take my advice and look at past drafts which will only validate what I’m saying. The idea is to put a better product on the NBA floor. If he can play then he will be payed. I honestly have no idea what this has to do with warzones and third world countries.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 12/12/2015 - 4:21pm #1031046
holefillers1ParticipantSkal was an example. As i stated in original post, i guess you didnt take my advice and look at past drafts which will only validate what I’m saying. The idea is to put a better product on the NBA floor. If he can play then he will be payed. I honestly have no idea what this has to do with warzones and third world countries.
0- Posted on: Sat, 12/12/2015 - 4:28pm #1031184
Gold ChainIt turns out a lot of these kids don’t grow up in lily white suburbs with low crime rates and plenty of food on the table.
It turns out that a lot of these players have younger siblings still living in 3rd world war zone conditions.
It turns out that some things are more important than whether a prospect is perfectly suited for immediate NBA impact.
These are human beings, not fantasy basketball/video game characters.
Human beings with family members living in 3rd world war zone conditions.
You don’t know how lucky you are to not be able to relate at all to these kind of problems.
How lucky you are to just sit in your little bubble and pontificate on how the less fortunate should be forced to live their lives, all so that you get to watch a slightly better basketball product.
Just clueless.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 12/12/2015 - 4:28pm #1031050
Gold ChainIt turns out a lot of these kids don’t grow up in lily white suburbs with low crime rates and plenty of food on the table.
It turns out that a lot of these players have younger siblings still living in 3rd world war zone conditions.
It turns out that some things are more important than whether a prospect is perfectly suited for immediate NBA impact.
These are human beings, not fantasy basketball/video game characters.
Human beings with family members living in 3rd world war zone conditions.
You don’t know how lucky you are to not be able to relate at all to these kind of problems.
How lucky you are to just sit in your little bubble and pontificate on how the less fortunate should be forced to live their lives, all so that you get to watch a slightly better basketball product.
Just clueless.
0- Posted on: Mon, 12/14/2015 - 3:54am #1031466
barbabodomParticipantAs a 3rd world citizen, it turns out you don´t have a clue of what you´re talking about. Sheesh.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 12/14/2015 - 3:54am #1031332
barbabodomParticipantAs a 3rd world citizen, it turns out you don´t have a clue of what you´re talking about. Sheesh.
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- Posted on: Sat, 12/12/2015 - 4:27pm #1031182
holefillers1ParticipantSkal and Jamal that is the whole point, to expose players who aren’t NBA talents. ;
0 - Posted on: Sat, 12/12/2015 - 4:27pm #1031048
holefillers1ParticipantSkal and Jamal that is the whole point, to expose players who aren’t NBA talents. ;
0 - Posted on: Sat, 12/12/2015 - 4:34pm #1031186
apb540ParticipantI’m 100% against any kind of extension onto the current one-and-done. I think the college game changing up the shot clock and hand-checking in the past few years can help, but in all reality, an extra year of NCAA basketball would not help most top players. You seriously could not tell me with a straight face that another year of Bill Self’s offense would of been a good thing for Wiggins. I’ve just never once heard a logical reason as to why another year of NCAA basketball and college life is a positive thing for a young person who believes they are talented enough to play in the NBA (and actually is).
Matter of fact, I’d love to see it go the other way: repel the one-and-done. However, money talks and ESPN, CBS, and FS1 need their top recruits in school at least a year so I will sit here and watch them just like I did today.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 12/12/2015 - 4:34pm #1031052
apb540ParticipantI’m 100% against any kind of extension onto the current one-and-done. I think the college game changing up the shot clock and hand-checking in the past few years can help, but in all reality, an extra year of NCAA basketball would not help most top players. You seriously could not tell me with a straight face that another year of Bill Self’s offense would of been a good thing for Wiggins. I’ve just never once heard a logical reason as to why another year of NCAA basketball and college life is a positive thing for a young person who believes they are talented enough to play in the NBA (and actually is).
Matter of fact, I’d love to see it go the other way: repel the one-and-done. However, money talks and ESPN, CBS, and FS1 need their top recruits in school at least a year so I will sit here and watch them just like I did today.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 12/12/2015 - 4:40pm #1031191
holefillers1ParticipantGold Chain. If you want to erradicate world hunger there are several orginizations you can join. This is just basketball.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 12/12/2015 - 4:40pm #1031056
holefillers1ParticipantGold Chain. If you want to erradicate world hunger there are several orginizations you can join. This is just basketball.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 12/12/2015 - 4:54pm #1031200
holefillers1ParticipantI guess the mistake was chiosing Skal Labisierre as my example. Since that is all you can focus on. NFL has three year policy BTW. Those inhumane bastards.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 12/12/2015 - 4:54pm #1031066
holefillers1ParticipantI guess the mistake was chiosing Skal Labisierre as my example. Since that is all you can focus on. NFL has three year policy BTW. Those inhumane bastards.
0- Posted on: Sat, 12/12/2015 - 5:05pm #1031206
SkalAndJamalParticipantHey, just wanted to let you know, if you played in the nba right now, sure you would play bad, but you most certainly would come out of the game healthy. But if you played in the NFL, you might want to consider writing a letter to your loved ones letting them know that you should have never compared football to basketball and you lived a good life 🙂
0 - Posted on: Sat, 12/12/2015 - 5:05pm #1031072
SkalAndJamalParticipantHey, just wanted to let you know, if you played in the nba right now, sure you would play bad, but you most certainly would come out of the game healthy. But if you played in the NFL, you might want to consider writing a letter to your loved ones letting them know that you should have never compared football to basketball and you lived a good life 🙂
0 - Posted on: Sat, 12/12/2015 - 5:08pm #1031208
BleedGreen808ParticipantFootball is a different story. The physicality of the sport makes it rare for a player to be ready after a year or two of college. However, there are problems with their system as well if you have heard of former South Carolina RB Marcus Lattimore who suffered two horrible knee injuries. He was drafted but before he even played a game in the NFL he retired. Those college football players can suffer injuries that keep them from reaching the NFL and sometimes affects them for life. A college scholarship doesn’t help them through the medical bills. In recent years some have questioned if top players like Jadeveon Clowney should shut it down to save their health for the NFL.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 12/12/2015 - 5:08pm #1031074
BleedGreen808ParticipantFootball is a different story. The physicality of the sport makes it rare for a player to be ready after a year or two of college. However, there are problems with their system as well if you have heard of former South Carolina RB Marcus Lattimore who suffered two horrible knee injuries. He was drafted but before he even played a game in the NFL he retired. Those college football players can suffer injuries that keep them from reaching the NFL and sometimes affects them for life. A college scholarship doesn’t help them through the medical bills. In recent years some have questioned if top players like Jadeveon Clowney should shut it down to save their health for the NFL.
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- Posted on: Sat, 12/12/2015 - 5:08pm #1031210
holefillers1ParticipantAt least my family wouldn’t be in a third world country in the middle of a war zone. Right Gold Chain?
0 - Posted on: Sat, 12/12/2015 - 5:08pm #1031076
holefillers1ParticipantAt least my family wouldn’t be in a third world country in the middle of a war zone. Right Gold Chain?
0- Posted on: Sat, 12/12/2015 - 5:18pm #1031214
Gold ChainThere are third world war zone conditions right here in the US, but that hasn’t seemed to sink in for you yet.
A lot of football players come from 3rd world neighborhoods, play football, and turn into human vegetables.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 12/12/2015 - 5:18pm #1031080
Gold ChainThere are third world war zone conditions right here in the US, but that hasn’t seemed to sink in for you yet.
A lot of football players come from 3rd world neighborhoods, play football, and turn into human vegetables.
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- Posted on: Sat, 12/12/2015 - 5:25pm #1031218
holefillers1ParticipantSo how is more schooling worse. If you flop out of NBA with a semester and a half of credits under your belt you are entering a work force at the age of 25 with a limited skillset and nono technical training. And you are supporting your whole family on your rookie contract. Because you cant wait one year?
0 - Posted on: Sat, 12/12/2015 - 5:25pm #1031084
holefillers1ParticipantSo how is more schooling worse. If you flop out of NBA with a semester and a half of credits under your belt you are entering a work force at the age of 25 with a limited skillset and nono technical training. And you are supporting your whole family on your rookie contract. Because you cant wait one year?
0- Posted on: Sat, 12/12/2015 - 5:26pm #1031220
Gold ChainYou need to go back to school. It should be mandatory.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 12/12/2015 - 5:26pm #1031086
Gold ChainYou need to go back to school. It should be mandatory.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 12/12/2015 - 5:59pm #1031232
doubledribblerParticipantDo you really believe that the NCAA cares about education? I’m not sure if most universities care about education in general with the types of classes the push out. If this was about education, they wouldn’t be paying coaches millions of dollars and conferences and schedules would be based around schools that are the closest to them. Some schools would never have to leave the state, especially if you played a home and home in the same season.
In my concious, I cannot tell someone to work for free. If college is going to be a stepping stone to a future career, I’m not sure how much better you are going to do than hundreds of thousands to millions guaranteed. It’s not like you can’t go back to school if you want. Do this. Go empty your bank account, live in a rough neighborhood with all your family and decide to work for free for two years while you directly generate massive amounts of income for someone else.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 12/12/2015 - 5:59pm #1031098
doubledribblerParticipantDo you really believe that the NCAA cares about education? I’m not sure if most universities care about education in general with the types of classes the push out. If this was about education, they wouldn’t be paying coaches millions of dollars and conferences and schedules would be based around schools that are the closest to them. Some schools would never have to leave the state, especially if you played a home and home in the same season.
In my concious, I cannot tell someone to work for free. If college is going to be a stepping stone to a future career, I’m not sure how much better you are going to do than hundreds of thousands to millions guaranteed. It’s not like you can’t go back to school if you want. Do this. Go empty your bank account, live in a rough neighborhood with all your family and decide to work for free for two years while you directly generate massive amounts of income for someone else.
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- Posted on: Sat, 12/12/2015 - 5:33pm #1031222
holefillers1ParticipantAgreed
0 - Posted on: Sat, 12/12/2015 - 5:33pm #1031088
holefillers1ParticipantAgreed
0 - Posted on: Sat, 12/12/2015 - 6:57pm #1031244
DrivingDownTheStreetinmy64Man U need to fill the hole between yo ears!!!!!!!!!!!
0 - Posted on: Sat, 12/12/2015 - 6:57pm #1031110
DrivingDownTheStreetinmy64Man U need to fill the hole between yo ears!!!!!!!!!!!
0 - Posted on: Sat, 12/12/2015 - 7:11pm #1031246
raybeasParticipantor 20 year old minimum for foreign players to enter the NBA.
If high school kids want a job playing pro basketball, they can go to Europe or the DLeague. Earning $40-50k per year is just fine for unproven players with potential (and more than most of us did at 18, I’d bet). I do not want every top 50 high school player to be eligible for the draft.
If Kobe or Lebron (or Ben Simmons) is capable of playing in the NBA out of high school (or 7th grade even), that’s great for him. He can go get paid as much as he can earn in any league that will let him in. I want the NBA to be the best professional league in the world.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 12/12/2015 - 7:11pm #1031112
raybeasParticipantor 20 year old minimum for foreign players to enter the NBA.
If high school kids want a job playing pro basketball, they can go to Europe or the DLeague. Earning $40-50k per year is just fine for unproven players with potential (and more than most of us did at 18, I’d bet). I do not want every top 50 high school player to be eligible for the draft.
If Kobe or Lebron (or Ben Simmons) is capable of playing in the NBA out of high school (or 7th grade even), that’s great for him. He can go get paid as much as he can earn in any league that will let him in. I want the NBA to be the best professional league in the world.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 12/12/2015 - 11:20pm #1031277
Hype MachineI hate bad basketball….but I can’t take away someones right to maximise their earning potential.
This is about living in a free world and some things are bigger than basketball.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 12/12/2015 - 11:20pm #1031143
Hype MachineI hate bad basketball….but I can’t take away someones right to maximise their earning potential.
This is about living in a free world and some things are bigger than basketball.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 12/13/2015 - 3:46am #1031301
GrandmamaParticipantIt’s just a terrible idea even to have 1 and done. Not going in depth as to why, but a few bullet-points are; there is no proof that one year in college develops players better (I posted a thread about two years ago showing success rates between one and dones and kids who went straight to the NBA from HS…kids straight from HS were just as successful), at 18 they are considered adults and should be able to make decisions based on that alone, some of them come from very poor backgrounds and need to support their family. Those are the three main reasons, and they can’t be argued against. One and done is stupid, but even more dumb than that is two and done.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 12/13/2015 - 3:46am #1031167
GrandmamaParticipantIt’s just a terrible idea even to have 1 and done. Not going in depth as to why, but a few bullet-points are; there is no proof that one year in college develops players better (I posted a thread about two years ago showing success rates between one and dones and kids who went straight to the NBA from HS…kids straight from HS were just as successful), at 18 they are considered adults and should be able to make decisions based on that alone, some of them come from very poor backgrounds and need to support their family. Those are the three main reasons, and they can’t be argued against. One and done is stupid, but even more dumb than that is two and done.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 12/13/2015 - 3:50am #1031169
ropeParticipantI have two different views on this from a purely basketball side.
I think wings and guards probably need to something like the college experience to develop thier games. They get to practice and play against a lot of other players that are at a close enough skill level, they get the reps they need. There are tons of 6" to 6′ 7" players that give these guys a good challenge.
With bigs, it seems the sooner they start getting NBA level coaching and playing against NBA bigs, the better. Even if they are on the bench for a bit, it is hard to replicate the NBA inside game in college.
All that being said, I think they ought to be able to go to the NBA right away. I know it is collectively bargained, but I think a legal adult ought to be allowed to try and make a living and the clubs should have every right to draft them and take the chance of a whiff.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 12/13/2015 - 3:50am #1031303
ropeParticipantI have two different views on this from a purely basketball side.
I think wings and guards probably need to something like the college experience to develop thier games. They get to practice and play against a lot of other players that are at a close enough skill level, they get the reps they need. There are tons of 6" to 6′ 7" players that give these guys a good challenge.
With bigs, it seems the sooner they start getting NBA level coaching and playing against NBA bigs, the better. Even if they are on the bench for a bit, it is hard to replicate the NBA inside game in college.
All that being said, I think they ought to be able to go to the NBA right away. I know it is collectively bargained, but I think a legal adult ought to be allowed to try and make a living and the clubs should have every right to draft them and take the chance of a whiff.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 12/13/2015 - 4:45am #1031175
trueone313detroitParticipantIm not for the one or two and done in general rule. Makes no premise to me, basketball is the only sport that does the removed from high school rule. When you go into the work force and apply for employment, it never a written requirement saying that you have to be one/two years remove from high school. So why does the NBA do it. To play it seems you need a minimum of a High School Diploma w/o a plus year of college because we wouldn’t have foreign players in the league.
If the league is worried about the players drafted and flopping, let there teams send them to the D-League just like Baseball sends players to the Minor League (which in the past have taken rights to High School Juniors before they had even finished High School)…
0 - Posted on: Sun, 12/13/2015 - 4:45am #1031309
trueone313detroitParticipantIm not for the one or two and done in general rule. Makes no premise to me, basketball is the only sport that does the removed from high school rule. When you go into the work force and apply for employment, it never a written requirement saying that you have to be one/two years remove from high school. So why does the NBA do it. To play it seems you need a minimum of a High School Diploma w/o a plus year of college because we wouldn’t have foreign players in the league.
If the league is worried about the players drafted and flopping, let there teams send them to the D-League just like Baseball sends players to the Minor League (which in the past have taken rights to High School Juniors before they had even finished High School)…
0 - Posted on: Sun, 12/13/2015 - 6:55am #1031201
holefillers1ParticipantNFL has A three year rule so NBA is not alone in that regard. The NBA has the most turnover and the least number of drafted players each year. That is because only 60 players get drafted every year. And half the first round is out of the league in three years. Just trying to stream line the process allowing. This will happen, like it or not.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 12/13/2015 - 6:55am #1031335
holefillers1ParticipantNFL has A three year rule so NBA is not alone in that regard. The NBA has the most turnover and the least number of drafted players each year. That is because only 60 players get drafted every year. And half the first round is out of the league in three years. Just trying to stream line the process allowing. This will happen, like it or not.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 12/13/2015 - 10:13am #1031223
whiteflashParticipantCouldn’t agree more, and it’s been long overdue. The current NBA is BY FAR the most watered down it’s ever been. The league is full of kids who are some combination of big, athletic and individually talented but don’t really know how to play basketball that get drafted on "potential" and dillute the game. On the flip side, look at Damian Lillard and Steph Curry. Two guys who understand the game, spent 3-4 years in college, physically AND mentally matured while there and came in ready to contribute immediately. Two years should be the bare minimum. For every one Kyrie Irving, there are fifty Austin Rivers’. I’ll always love the game, but the basketball as a whole is just point blank pretty bad right now. Having some sort of stipulation forcing the kids to stay in school, develop physically and mentally and LEARN the game would go a long way towards fixing that.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 12/13/2015 - 10:13am #1031357
whiteflashParticipantCouldn’t agree more, and it’s been long overdue. The current NBA is BY FAR the most watered down it’s ever been. The league is full of kids who are some combination of big, athletic and individually talented but don’t really know how to play basketball that get drafted on "potential" and dillute the game. On the flip side, look at Damian Lillard and Steph Curry. Two guys who understand the game, spent 3-4 years in college, physically AND mentally matured while there and came in ready to contribute immediately. Two years should be the bare minimum. For every one Kyrie Irving, there are fifty Austin Rivers’. I’ll always love the game, but the basketball as a whole is just point blank pretty bad right now. Having some sort of stipulation forcing the kids to stay in school, develop physically and mentally and LEARN the game would go a long way towards fixing that.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 12/13/2015 - 10:34am #1031233
holefillers1ParticipantWell said. And thanks for the back up. I’ve been getting killed on the boards.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 12/13/2015 - 10:34am #1031367
holefillers1ParticipantWell said. And thanks for the back up. I’ve been getting killed on the boards.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 12/14/2015 - 4:49am #1031470
GBeeParticipantI was brought up to not be concerned about the next man’s money. Whether they’re richer or poorer, it’s not something that interests me. I got my own issues and family to be concerned about, so I’m not going to pretend to be some fake ass SJW for the plight of a few NBA prospect’s families.
I am however a fan of the NBA and I am a consumer of their product, so I do have an interest in them finding ways to better their product. If they believe that 2 years is a long enough evaluation period for them to make more informed decisions resulting in a better product, then I’m all for it. I happen to agree that it is. I think that the sophomore year is very pivotal because you get to see an extremely underrated aspect of prospect evaluation, which is rate of improvement. In season improvement happens, but the biggest leaps are made from year to year after an offseason. The really good ones, the prospects with legit staying power are the ones who you see marked improvement from year to year in that early stage of development.
For the life of me, I never understand why people care if a player’s stock falls after staying in college. I mean, unless you stand to directly benefit from the player’s contract, why the hell do you care? Think about it from the perspective of being a fan of your favorite NBA team. If they were in the lotto, banking on a pick to help its fortunes, would you really want your team to be put in a position to be tricked into taking freshman James McAdoo? Perry Jones?
0 - Posted on: Mon, 12/14/2015 - 4:49am #1031336
GBeeParticipantI was brought up to not be concerned about the next man’s money. Whether they’re richer or poorer, it’s not something that interests me. I got my own issues and family to be concerned about, so I’m not going to pretend to be some fake ass SJW for the plight of a few NBA prospect’s families.
I am however a fan of the NBA and I am a consumer of their product, so I do have an interest in them finding ways to better their product. If they believe that 2 years is a long enough evaluation period for them to make more informed decisions resulting in a better product, then I’m all for it. I happen to agree that it is. I think that the sophomore year is very pivotal because you get to see an extremely underrated aspect of prospect evaluation, which is rate of improvement. In season improvement happens, but the biggest leaps are made from year to year after an offseason. The really good ones, the prospects with legit staying power are the ones who you see marked improvement from year to year in that early stage of development.
For the life of me, I never understand why people care if a player’s stock falls after staying in college. I mean, unless you stand to directly benefit from the player’s contract, why the hell do you care? Think about it from the perspective of being a fan of your favorite NBA team. If they were in the lotto, banking on a pick to help its fortunes, would you really want your team to be put in a position to be tricked into taking freshman James McAdoo? Perry Jones?
0 - Posted on: Mon, 12/14/2015 - 5:06am #1031472
r377ParticipantI like players to stay 1 or 2 years. Users quickly forget just how many high school stars are busts in college and in the pros.
Can you imagine if your beloved NBA team wasted a top 5-7 draft pick on these high school standouts (all could of gone straight to the pros based on potential and HYPE at that time)
Perry Jones, Josh Selby, Austin Rivers, James McAdoo, Shabazz Muhummad, Isiah Austin, Andrew Harrison, Dakari Johnson, Cliff Alexander.
Kobe and T-Mac were not guaranteed superstars, if they were so highly regarded they would of been taken higher in the draft. In recent years, the only “sure thing” high school superstar was Lebron James and he was taken no1. Kwame Brown was also taken no1.
Pease google the following past high school superstars who went straight to the NBA:
Darius Miles, Jonathon Bender, Kwame Brown, Eddy Curry, Robert Swift, Sebastian Telfair, Martell Webster
0 - Posted on: Mon, 12/14/2015 - 5:06am #1031338
r377ParticipantI like players to stay 1 or 2 years. Users quickly forget just how many high school stars are busts in college and in the pros.
Can you imagine if your beloved NBA team wasted a top 5-7 draft pick on these high school standouts (all could of gone straight to the pros based on potential and HYPE at that time)
Perry Jones, Josh Selby, Austin Rivers, James McAdoo, Shabazz Muhummad, Isiah Austin, Andrew Harrison, Dakari Johnson, Cliff Alexander.
Kobe and T-Mac were not guaranteed superstars, if they were so highly regarded they would of been taken higher in the draft. In recent years, the only “sure thing” high school superstar was Lebron James and he was taken no1. Kwame Brown was also taken no1.
Pease google the following past high school superstars who went straight to the NBA:
Darius Miles, Jonathon Bender, Kwame Brown, Eddy Curry, Robert Swift, Sebastian Telfair, Martell Webster
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