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    valentine

     1) Ben Simmons – Consensus #1 at this stage, in a weak freshman draft. Will dominate in the NBA. Whether he’s a top 5 player, or ‘just’ an all-star player in the league is only thing left to determine. 

    2) Brandon Ingram – Younger than Simmons, and looks every part of 6’10" to me. Probably isn’t as skilled as Durant, but he’ll at least have the same physical tools to work with. 

    3) Jaylen Brown – I see him as a skilled athlete and lockdown defender who can guard multiple positions. If he develops a sweet jumpshot, he can be a bigtime scorer. 

    4) Jakob Poeltl – This guy is can’t miss as a rim protector and rebounder. None of these other Freshman deserve to go ahead of him, because he’s the best bigman in college right now and NBA ready. 

    5) Jamal Murray – Could go higher, depending on team need. He’s young, and has played well for Kentucky. But if he’s being scouted to cure a team’s backcourt woes….he’s at least as risky as D’Angelo Russell. 

    6) Kris Dunn – Could instantly start at PG for a lottery team. Bring’s everything, including leadership. I don’t see him slipping further than this. 

    7) Dragan Bender – Top Euro bigman, but lets see what he can do between now and the draft. 

    8) Furkan Kormakz – Turk that already has a polished game. Has been dominating JR competition for years. 

    9) Chiek Diallo – Brings a lot of energy and intangibles. Will get plenty of Blocks and Steals. Could probably shutdown a few PF’s in the league. Not overly skilled…could be a 22mpg energy guy though. 

    10) Skal Labissiere – Tyler Ulis had to beat the softness out of him. Got pretty good touch, but he was ranked #1 based on workouts in front of scouts. And not actual match competition. Stock is down, and could go either way from here. 

    11) Denzel Valentine – Can’t Miss upperclassman who is getting plenty of attention nationally. If he is in contention for NPOY, a fringe team will reach. 

    12) Henry Ellenson – Is this guy eligible for 2016? Cos he’s been super impressive so far in his freshman season and if he continues to improve, expect his draft stock to rise. 

    13) Dwayne Bacon –  Long, Explosive Dunk Power and high levels of confidence in his game. Good Scorer…will be entertaining viewing regardless. 

    14) Domantas Sabonis – High IQ guy with versatile all-around game. That means he will fit into a coaching system effectively. Could be an efficient, plus/minus type guy in the league. 

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #1029708
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    negguary
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    cant see him falling out of the top five based off of potential alone  

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    • #1029918
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      Hype Machine

      Politely disagree.

      I dont see that much potential to be honest. He isn’t outstanding at anything except running the floor…and I believe he’ll space the floor with a reliable mid-range game. But nothing more than an average shooter based on what Ive seen. His touch around the bucket is great as long as theres no physicality.

      He’s a below average defender based on what I’ve seen. Racks up fouls, gets pushed around and shows little intensity or hustle. Major red flag IMO.

      He’s very weak…and I dont think that will change given his frame. Hes not an explosive athlete. And hes no 7 footer. 

      If he didn’t go to Kentucky, no way hes a lottery pick based on current play.

      Thoughts on Skal? I think Humphries is 2 years younger and is already taking his minutes.

       

       

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    • #1029782
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      Politely disagree.

      I dont see that much potential to be honest. He isn’t outstanding at anything except running the floor…and I believe he’ll space the floor with a reliable mid-range game. But nothing more than an average shooter based on what Ive seen. His touch around the bucket is great as long as theres no physicality.

      He’s a below average defender based on what I’ve seen. Racks up fouls, gets pushed around and shows little intensity or hustle. Major red flag IMO.

      He’s very weak…and I dont think that will change given his frame. Hes not an explosive athlete. And hes no 7 footer. 

      If he didn’t go to Kentucky, no way hes a lottery pick based on current play.

      Thoughts on Skal? I think Humphries is 2 years younger and is already taking his minutes.

       

       

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      • #1029909
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        TeslaBaller
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        "That much potential" I’m not sure how much potential that is but rather than trying to make you see his potential, I just want to address a couple of your points.

        1. "He’s no 7 footer" As long as your not telling me he’s 6′ 6" and should have an NBA wing player skill set, it’s ok. He isn’t a tweener. His height won’t ever be a concern or worth mentioning in basketball circles. 

        2. "He’s not an explosive athlete" look take whatever standard of measure, test, drill, exercise or calculations you choose to use to determine if someone is an "explosive athlete" and factor in Skal’s height and age. Now tell me what kind of athlete he is? He is clearly an outstanding athlete.

         Come on, stop it. His lack of height and athleticism aren’t worth bringing up. Those are 2 things that help contribute to his potential not take away from it. 

        3. "He’s very weak" you are absolutely right but then right after that you say "and I don’t think that will change given his frame" So given his frame he can’t be strong he has to be weak? That just doesn’t make sense. Look, is Skal ever going to win a bench press competition given his frame, no probably not but neither is (insert list of tall, skinny, long armed successful NBA players here). He just needs to be basketball strong and like you said stop getting pushed around because again your right. He’s weak and gets pushed around but that is why he racks up fouls. Can he get stronger and change that? I don’t know why not. 

        4. He "shows little intensity and hustle" I only bring up this point you made to say that I don’t get into labeling players like this and neither should you. Most times when someone brings up a players "intensity level" they just don’t like the person’s demeanor for whatever reason and that’s your right to not like any person for any reason but let’s just talk about the basketball. Now Google Kareem Abdul Jabbar in the movie Airplane. It’s funny and addresses this idea of a players intensity and hustle. 

        5. "If he didn’t go to Kentucky" While I’m not a Kentucky fan I am a Ashley Judd fan so maybe I secretly route for Kentucky in hope to score Ashley…but anyway what does where someone plays have to do with there potential. Him playing at Kentucky means nothing. 

        6. You said a lot of good things about him. "Outstanding running the floor…he’ll space the floor with a reliable mid-range game…His touch around the basket is great" 

        Bottom line is I’m confused. The original poster had Skal at #10, is he not that good in your opinion? Where should he be drafted? 

        IMO he’s #7 prospect in this draft class. I see Simmons and Bender as difference maker’s. Brown, Murray, Dunn and Jakob(forgot his last name) as long time starters, then Skal. Ingram is the enigma, I’m not as down on Ingram as you are on Skal but I’m more worried about the perimeter player then the post player. There another 6-8 players I really like in this Draft but that’s still top 15 at worse for Skal. 

        So what did Skal do to you? Is he really outside your top 10 potential Draft picks? 

         

         

         

         

         

         

         

         

         

         

         

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        • #1029951
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           Nice post. Everythings an inexact science and I’m in the minority as hes top 3 elsewhere. But try to keep a bit of perspective. Hes an NBA lottery pick according to my mock, so the guy is a serious baller.

          The one thing I’ll respond to is the effort/intensity. It actually is terrible. Tyler Ulis shoved him because he got outworked by less talented UCLA players.  I’ve seen a few Kentucky Games now and thats the only sample Ive got to work with. And he’s been inderwhelming.

          And whilst I was nitpicking..I’m looking for a special quality that makes him able to dominate like a top 3 pick should. 

          I’m hoping Skal proves me wrong. I just want to shove him like Ulis did to spark a fire in him.

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        • #1030088
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           Nice post. Everythings an inexact science and I’m in the minority as hes top 3 elsewhere. But try to keep a bit of perspective. Hes an NBA lottery pick according to my mock, so the guy is a serious baller.

          The one thing I’ll respond to is the effort/intensity. It actually is terrible. Tyler Ulis shoved him because he got outworked by less talented UCLA players.  I’ve seen a few Kentucky Games now and thats the only sample Ive got to work with. And he’s been inderwhelming.

          And whilst I was nitpicking..I’m looking for a special quality that makes him able to dominate like a top 3 pick should. 

          I’m hoping Skal proves me wrong. I just want to shove him like Ulis did to spark a fire in him.

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      • #1030046
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        TeslaBaller
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        "That much potential" I’m not sure how much potential that is but rather than trying to make you see his potential, I just want to address a couple of your points.

        1. "He’s no 7 footer" As long as your not telling me he’s 6′ 6" and should have an NBA wing player skill set, it’s ok. He isn’t a tweener. His height won’t ever be a concern or worth mentioning in basketball circles. 

        2. "He’s not an explosive athlete" look take whatever standard of measure, test, drill, exercise or calculations you choose to use to determine if someone is an "explosive athlete" and factor in Skal’s height and age. Now tell me what kind of athlete he is? He is clearly an outstanding athlete.

         Come on, stop it. His lack of height and athleticism aren’t worth bringing up. Those are 2 things that help contribute to his potential not take away from it. 

        3. "He’s very weak" you are absolutely right but then right after that you say "and I don’t think that will change given his frame" So given his frame he can’t be strong he has to be weak? That just doesn’t make sense. Look, is Skal ever going to win a bench press competition given his frame, no probably not but neither is (insert list of tall, skinny, long armed successful NBA players here). He just needs to be basketball strong and like you said stop getting pushed around because again your right. He’s weak and gets pushed around but that is why he racks up fouls. Can he get stronger and change that? I don’t know why not. 

        4. He "shows little intensity and hustle" I only bring up this point you made to say that I don’t get into labeling players like this and neither should you. Most times when someone brings up a players "intensity level" they just don’t like the person’s demeanor for whatever reason and that’s your right to not like any person for any reason but let’s just talk about the basketball. Now Google Kareem Abdul Jabbar in the movie Airplane. It’s funny and addresses this idea of a players intensity and hustle. 

        5. "If he didn’t go to Kentucky" While I’m not a Kentucky fan I am a Ashley Judd fan so maybe I secretly route for Kentucky in hope to score Ashley…but anyway what does where someone plays have to do with there potential. Him playing at Kentucky means nothing. 

        6. You said a lot of good things about him. "Outstanding running the floor…he’ll space the floor with a reliable mid-range game…His touch around the basket is great" 

        Bottom line is I’m confused. The original poster had Skal at #10, is he not that good in your opinion? Where should he be drafted? 

        IMO he’s #7 prospect in this draft class. I see Simmons and Bender as difference maker’s. Brown, Murray, Dunn and Jakob(forgot his last name) as long time starters, then Skal. Ingram is the enigma, I’m not as down on Ingram as you are on Skal but I’m more worried about the perimeter player then the post player. There another 6-8 players I really like in this Draft but that’s still top 15 at worse for Skal. 

        So what did Skal do to you? Is he really outside your top 10 potential Draft picks? 

         

         

         

         

         

         

         

         

         

         

         

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  • #1029844
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    negguary
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    cant see him falling out of the top five based off of potential alone  

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  • #1029960
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    TRC1991
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     No sane person should ever draft a Florida State player unless they are more than willing to see this player bust incredibly hard and incredibly fast.

    Leonard Hamilton does a sad non-job of getting guys ready for the NBA 

    Al Thornton might be Hamiltons best product

     

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  • #1029823
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     No sane person should ever draft a Florida State player unless they are more than willing to see this player bust incredibly hard and incredibly fast.

    Leonard Hamilton does a sad non-job of getting guys ready for the NBA 

    Al Thornton might be Hamiltons best product

     

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  • #1029968
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    Ahkasi Clay
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     nice job,

    i am not as big on Poeltl as most (weird since I am a UTE fan)

    also have a soft spot for Dragon Bender,  (totally becuase he has a cool name) has some real skill

     

     

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  • #1029831
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    Ahkasi Clay
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     nice job,

    i am not as big on Poeltl as most (weird since I am a UTE fan)

    also have a soft spot for Dragon Bender,  (totally becuase he has a cool name) has some real skill

     

     

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    • #1029955
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      Hype Machine

      Reminds me of futurama lol

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    • #1030092
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      Hype Machine

      Reminds me of futurama lol

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  • #1029988
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    VCJR THE BEAST
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     Ivan Rabb is a sleeper

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  • #1029851
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    VCJR THE BEAST
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     Ivan Rabb is a sleeper

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  • #1030022
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    Matos
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     Mock Lottery really doesn’t hold weight because it all depends on which team has that pick. You should incorporate the likely team that will get that pick and then do the Mock based off of that.

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  • #1029885
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    Matos
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     Mock Lottery really doesn’t hold weight because it all depends on which team has that pick. You should incorporate the likely team that will get that pick and then do the Mock based off of that.

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    • #1029963
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      Hype Machine

       Tough call brother…it seems almost pointless and I’m not sure any mock draft site has factored in ‘team needs’….

      Draftnet has teams there alongside each pick….but it doesnt factor their needs when choosing the order.

       

       

       

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    • #1030100
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       Tough call brother…it seems almost pointless and I’m not sure any mock draft site has factored in ‘team needs’….

      Draftnet has teams there alongside each pick….but it doesnt factor their needs when choosing the order.

       

       

       

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  • #1029973
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    PulseGlazer
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     I don’t know how good Skal will be – it’s way too early for me to really get into college ball – but he’ll be a top 5 pick based on name, college, and potential.

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  • #1030110
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    PulseGlazer
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     I don’t know how good Skal will be – it’s way too early for me to really get into college ball – but he’ll be a top 5 pick based on name, college, and potential.

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