Derrick Rose

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Posted on: Sat, 12/05/2015 - 1:45pm #62078

rope
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Is it just me or is he just shot? Darn shame, considering how good he was. Mental and physical breakdowns. Reminds me a little of how far and fast Gilbert Arenas fell, even if Arenas was never quite the player Rose was at this short peak.
9.8 PER, 34% shooting. Pretty much any number. He really isn’t even helping the team anymore, let alone leading them.

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Posted on: Sat, 12/05/2015 - 2:54pm #1028966

IndianaBasketball
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Yea, he’s done… He’s no longer a star caliber player at all. He still thinks he is tho…
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Posted on: Sat, 12/05/2015 - 2:54pm #1029101

IndianaBasketball
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Yea, he’s done… He’s no longer a star caliber player at all. He still thinks he is tho…
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Posted on: Sat, 12/05/2015 - 3:02pm #1028968

marcusfizer21
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It’s just one of those times you lose hope now. You just have to expect nothing anymore because he ain’t gonna be the Derrick Rose of 2011. He’s nothing more than an average point guard who gives you 12 ppg. I don’t care about the excuses, he’s done.
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Posted on: Sat, 12/05/2015 - 3:02pm #1029103

marcusfizer21
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It’s just one of those times you lose hope now. You just have to expect nothing anymore because he ain’t gonna be the Derrick Rose of 2011. He’s nothing more than an average point guard who gives you 12 ppg. I don’t care about the excuses, he’s done.
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Posted on: Sat, 12/05/2015 - 3:15pm #1028970

omphalos
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I disagree. Wait until his vision clears up.
I think we’d all be telling a different story if Gibson hadn’t elbowed him in the face on the first day of training camp.
People can say they don’t care about excuses all they want, but that doesn’t change the fact that he’s playing handicapped right now.
At the end of the day, he’s not exactly hurting the team is he? They are one of the top teams in the East without him playing at 100%, if there’s even a chance that he improves once his vision clears up – like he did in the playoffs last season, then you have to take it.
If anything, it’s encouraging that he’s just playing consistently and his body his healthy aside from his eyesight.
If the poor play continues in the post-season when he should be healthy and adjusted, then I’ll agree with you all, but I remain hopeful he can rediscover some part of his old self by season’s end.

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Posted on: Sat, 12/05/2015 - 3:15pm #1029105

omphalos
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I disagree. Wait until his vision clears up.
I think we’d all be telling a different story if Gibson hadn’t elbowed him in the face on the first day of training camp.
People can say they don’t care about excuses all they want, but that doesn’t change the fact that he’s playing handicapped right now.
At the end of the day, he’s not exactly hurting the team is he? They are one of the top teams in the East without him playing at 100%, if there’s even a chance that he improves once his vision clears up – like he did in the playoffs last season, then you have to take it.
If anything, it’s encouraging that he’s just playing consistently and his body his healthy aside from his eyesight.
If the poor play continues in the post-season when he should be healthy and adjusted, then I’ll agree with you all, but I remain hopeful he can rediscover some part of his old self by season’s end.

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Posted on: Sat, 12/05/2015 - 3:26pm #1028976

TarHeelRaven
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I think it’s stupid to say Derrick Rose is done. What is he like 27? Unfortunately we will probably never see 2011 Rose ever again. I don’t think I had ever seen a guy at that size with that type of strength with his quickness, explosiveness, agility and ability to break people down off the dribble. I don’t see why Derrick Rose can’t be really good again. Maybe not great, but he is skilled enough that he can be good even without the eye-popping and world class quickness and athleticism he had in 2011.
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- Posted on: Sat, 12/05/2015 - 3:30pm #1028980
  
  whiteflash
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  Westbrook has always had Rose’s best attributes, only better. He’s bigger, stronger, faster, more agile and finishes through contact better. If Westbrook had been on those Bulls teams and Rose had been on OKC Westbrook’s numbers would’ve been considerabley better than Rose’s were.
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  - Posted on: Sat, 12/05/2015 - 5:57pm #1029135
    
    omphalos
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    Westbrook may have been better physically than Rose in a lot of ways, but he was definitely not more agile. Rose’s agility was ridiculous when he was healthy and attacking off the dribble.
    Russ is more of a straight line driver, doesn’t really scream agility.
    
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  - Posted on: Sat, 12/05/2015 - 5:57pm #1029000
    
    omphalos
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    Westbrook may have been better physically than Rose in a lot of ways, but he was definitely not more agile. Rose’s agility was ridiculous when he was healthy and attacking off the dribble.
    Russ is more of a straight line driver, doesn’t really scream agility.
    
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  - Posted on: Sun, 12/06/2015 - 1:33am #1029199
    
    GBee
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    If Westbrook played with the type of discipline and restraint that Derrick did before the injuries, OKC would’ve probably had more finals appearances, maybe even a chip. Russ has the style to accumulate more raw stats but that doesn’t necessarily make him a better player than MVP Rose. Derrick was a superstar, but he also bought in both ends and played within the system. He wasn’t as prone to wild and erratic play like West. We’ve seen what both their respective teams looked like when both were healthy and the show was theirs. West put up historic stats while KD was out, but his team was mediocre. Derrick was the league MVP on a 60 win team.
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  - Posted on: Sun, 12/06/2015 - 1:33am #1029064
    
    GBee
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    If Westbrook played with the type of discipline and restraint that Derrick did before the injuries, OKC would’ve probably had more finals appearances, maybe even a chip. Russ has the style to accumulate more raw stats but that doesn’t necessarily make him a better player than MVP Rose. Derrick was a superstar, but he also bought in both ends and played within the system. He wasn’t as prone to wild and erratic play like West. We’ve seen what both their respective teams looked like when both were healthy and the show was theirs. West put up historic stats while KD was out, but his team was mediocre. Derrick was the league MVP on a 60 win team.
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    - Posted on: Sun, 12/06/2015 - 4:40pm #1029160
      
      whiteflash
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      Rose also had a much better team around him, everybody was healthy, and he played in the East. OKC won 48 games last year while being decimated by injuries while Westbrook put up absolutely ridiculous numbers and kicking the sh!t out of the rest of the league. OKC’s 48 wins would’ve put ’em in the top 5 in the East. Your argument doesn’t hold much water.
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    - Posted on: Sun, 12/06/2015 - 4:40pm #1029295
      
      whiteflash
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      Rose also had a much better team around him, everybody was healthy, and he played in the East. OKC won 48 games last year while being decimated by injuries while Westbrook put up absolutely ridiculous numbers and kicking the sh!t out of the rest of the league. OKC’s 48 wins would’ve put ’em in the top 5 in the East. Your argument doesn’t hold much water.
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  - Posted on: Sun, 12/06/2015 - 2:08am #1029207
    
    Jr. ROXAS
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    Rose was definitely more agile than Westbrook. And he was a better finisher.
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  - Posted on: Sun, 12/06/2015 - 2:08am #1029072
    
    Jr. ROXAS
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    Rose was definitely more agile than Westbrook. And he was a better finisher.
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- Posted on: Sat, 12/05/2015 - 3:30pm #1029115
  
  whiteflash
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  Westbrook has always had Rose’s best attributes, only better. He’s bigger, stronger, faster, more agile and finishes through contact better. If Westbrook had been on those Bulls teams and Rose had been on OKC Westbrook’s numbers would’ve been considerabley better than Rose’s were.
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- Posted on: Sat, 12/05/2015 - 4:00pm #1028984
  
  For_Never_Ever
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  How many players have gone down hill before age 27 with injuries or is this a rare occurrence ?
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  - Posted on: Sat, 12/05/2015 - 7:34pm #1029156
    
    kazam
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    First two guys who come to mind are Brandon Roy and Greg Oden. Roy was spectacular before his knees robbed him of an excellent career. Similar story for Oden. It’s never fun to watch guys break down before our eyes but I suppose its a part of the game.
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  - Posted on: Sat, 12/05/2015 - 7:34pm #1029022
    
    kazam
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    First two guys who come to mind are Brandon Roy and Greg Oden. Roy was spectacular before his knees robbed him of an excellent career. Similar story for Oden. It’s never fun to watch guys break down before our eyes but I suppose its a part of the game.
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- Posted on: Sat, 12/05/2015 - 4:00pm #1029119
  
  For_Never_Ever
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  How many players have gone down hill before age 27 with injuries or is this a rare occurrence ?
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- Posted on: Sun, 12/06/2015 - 6:34am #1029231
  
  IndianaBasketball
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  It’s not stupid at all. Yea, he’s only 27, but he does not have a 27 year old’s knees. He’s torn his meniscus twice in his right knee and he did damage to his meniscus in his left knee when he tore his ACL.
  
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- Posted on: Sun, 12/06/2015 - 6:34am #1029096
  
  IndianaBasketball
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  It’s not stupid at all. Yea, he’s only 27, but he does not have a 27 year old’s knees. He’s torn his meniscus twice in his right knee and he did damage to his meniscus in his left knee when he tore his ACL.
  
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Posted on: Sat, 12/05/2015 - 3:26pm #1029111

TarHeelRaven
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I think it’s stupid to say Derrick Rose is done. What is he like 27? Unfortunately we will probably never see 2011 Rose ever again. I don’t think I had ever seen a guy at that size with that type of strength with his quickness, explosiveness, agility and ability to break people down off the dribble. I don’t see why Derrick Rose can’t be really good again. Maybe not great, but he is skilled enough that he can be good even without the eye-popping and world class quickness and athleticism he had in 2011.
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Posted on: Sat, 12/05/2015 - 3:26pm #1028978

whiteflash
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Arenas peak absolutely sh!ts on anything Rose ever did. Rose should’ve NEVER won MVP.
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Posted on: Sat, 12/05/2015 - 3:26pm #1029113

whiteflash
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Arenas peak absolutely sh!ts on anything Rose ever did. Rose should’ve NEVER won MVP.
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Posted on: Sat, 12/05/2015 - 4:06pm #1029121

tuck243
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He’s still explosive.. If he was extremely slow and not able to get to the cup then yes… He’s just not hitting and I’m sure most of that is his vision… I’m not gonna hold that against him until next year. If he can make it to next year healthy, I’m sure he will get back to somewhat of his old form… If not, then yes do this… But a guy that’s leaning on his jumper heavy when he came off 2 back to back knee injuries and he’s currently seeing double. I just can’t lose faith in him right now…

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Posted on: Sat, 12/05/2015 - 4:06pm #1028986

tuck243
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He’s still explosive.. If he was extremely slow and not able to get to the cup then yes… He’s just not hitting and I’m sure most of that is his vision… I’m not gonna hold that against him until next year. If he can make it to next year healthy, I’m sure he will get back to somewhat of his old form… If not, then yes do this… But a guy that’s leaning on his jumper heavy when he came off 2 back to back knee injuries and he’s currently seeing double. I just can’t lose faith in him right now…

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Posted on: Sat, 12/05/2015 - 4:13pm #1029123

Robb_C
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Let the kid play a couple of full seasons before we close the jury on him.. I personally think he needs a change of scenery,. He would be great in Dallas.
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Posted on: Sat, 12/05/2015 - 4:13pm #1028988

Robb_C
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Let the kid play a couple of full seasons before we close the jury on him.. I personally think he needs a change of scenery,. He would be great in Dallas.
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Posted on: Sat, 12/05/2015 - 4:39pm #1029129

omphalos
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Also, it seems like every time someone calls him done he puts together a game like he’s having right now.
8-13 shooting, 3-5 from deep, 19 points and 4 assists.
Rose is far from done, especially when healthy.

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Posted on: Sat, 12/05/2015 - 4:39pm #1028994

omphalos
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Also, it seems like every time someone calls him done he puts together a game like he’s having right now.
8-13 shooting, 3-5 from deep, 19 points and 4 assists.
Rose is far from done, especially when healthy.

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Posted on: Sat, 12/05/2015 - 6:31pm #1029139

mgreener_34
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The sad part is that after all those inuries people still expected great things from him…idk, to me it seems like the same people who were calling for Greg Oden to play every year are the same people who are bracing themselves for the return of MVP Rose, and like the Oden fans, they eventually have to come to reality. And the reallity of the situation is that Rose missed almost three fulls season of NBA Ball, and only played 51 games last year. Anyone who had any kind of expectations for him were just setting themselves up for dissater.
Injuries happen, and a lot of the time the players can’t make it back from them, and the people who are saying "it’s a mental thing" are just being selfish. I rather Rose do what he’s doing now, than watch a repeat of Brandon Roy, because that broke my heart.
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Posted on: Sat, 12/05/2015 - 6:31pm #1029004

mgreener_34
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The sad part is that after all those inuries people still expected great things from him…idk, to me it seems like the same people who were calling for Greg Oden to play every year are the same people who are bracing themselves for the return of MVP Rose, and like the Oden fans, they eventually have to come to reality. And the reallity of the situation is that Rose missed almost three fulls season of NBA Ball, and only played 51 games last year. Anyone who had any kind of expectations for him were just setting themselves up for dissater.
Injuries happen, and a lot of the time the players can’t make it back from them, and the people who are saying "it’s a mental thing" are just being selfish. I rather Rose do what he’s doing now, than watch a repeat of Brandon Roy, because that broke my heart.
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Posted on: Sat, 12/05/2015 - 10:52pm #1029189

Ahkasi Clay
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Rose was a great basketball player, his skill was never questioned, while some, myself included, might have questioned his heart.
Injuries robbed him of his specialness,
( I wish I could play anywhere near as bad as he plays now)

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Posted on: Sat, 12/05/2015 - 10:52pm #1029054

Ahkasi Clay
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Rose was a great basketball player, his skill was never questioned, while some, myself included, might have questioned his heart.
Injuries robbed him of his specialness,
( I wish I could play anywhere near as bad as he plays now)

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- Posted on: Sun, 12/06/2015 - 1:17am #1029195
  
  GBee
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  I question both. You look at his shooting, his advanced ball-handling, his footwork, his passing. None of those aspects of his game are all that great. He had basically 3 years of rehabbing and doing nothing but shooting yet he’s still a crap shooter. He had all that time to view the game from the sidelines from all angles, going over tape etc, yet he still can’t visualize the game well. He still doesn’t anticipate passes or pass players open. His "good" passes are purely reactionary. If he was really all that skilled, he’d be able to compensate at least a little bit for whatever he’s lost physically. He lost his fearlessness and in turn is trying to play a self-preserving, finesse style but he’s not skilled enough to play that way while being consistently effective.
  He got injured but he still looks good physically. He’s still faster, quicker and stronger than most PGs. He lost a bit of vertical explosion and he’s not willing to cut as hard as he used to, but physically he’s still upper echelon. His game just didn’t evolve mentally or skill wise.
  I’m not gonna write him off as a player, but I am writing him off as a star. It’s still possible he can be a solid starting point, but I have my doubts bc I doubt his ability to evolve and make the necessary improvements. Mentally his cap is lower bc he’s just not a smart human being. He lacks the ability to think the game steps ahead and he’s just not a naturally creative, deceptive or clever player. Skillwise, his rate of improvement, or lack thereof, is not a good sign.
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- Posted on: Sun, 12/06/2015 - 1:17am #1029060
  
  GBee
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  I question both. You look at his shooting, his advanced ball-handling, his footwork, his passing. None of those aspects of his game are all that great. He had basically 3 years of rehabbing and doing nothing but shooting yet he’s still a crap shooter. He had all that time to view the game from the sidelines from all angles, going over tape etc, yet he still can’t visualize the game well. He still doesn’t anticipate passes or pass players open. His "good" passes are purely reactionary. If he was really all that skilled, he’d be able to compensate at least a little bit for whatever he’s lost physically. He lost his fearlessness and in turn is trying to play a self-preserving, finesse style but he’s not skilled enough to play that way while being consistently effective.
  He got injured but he still looks good physically. He’s still faster, quicker and stronger than most PGs. He lost a bit of vertical explosion and he’s not willing to cut as hard as he used to, but physically he’s still upper echelon. His game just didn’t evolve mentally or skill wise.
  I’m not gonna write him off as a player, but I am writing him off as a star. It’s still possible he can be a solid starting point, but I have my doubts bc I doubt his ability to evolve and make the necessary improvements. Mentally his cap is lower bc he’s just not a smart human being. He lacks the ability to think the game steps ahead and he’s just not a naturally creative, deceptive or clever player. Skillwise, his rate of improvement, or lack thereof, is not a good sign.
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  - Posted on: Sun, 12/06/2015 - 2:06am #1029205
    
    Jr. ROXAS
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    Well all the skills you mentioned above that "aren’t all that great" aren’t what makes D-Rose special anyways. It’s like questioning Westbrook’s greatness because his passing, shooting and IQ "aren’t all that great".
    What made D-Rose absolutely special was his finishing and ability, which in my opinion was one of the best ever. And I beg to differ on the ball-handling, because that guy has the ball on a string. Anyway, his finishing ability was one of a kind. His finishes around the rim are a lot like Kyrie’s now, with more athleticsm and strength. His finishing ability was a skill that separated him from others. Up and unders, switching hands in mid-air, all those stuff that normally don’t go in but with him, it’s like he practices it everyday. Again, a lot like Kyrie’s but with more athleticsm.
    And you can’t expec one to be the same after undergoing 2 major knee surgeries. He has lost his confidence now, both in his game and his body, which is sad. But you can’t deny how great MVP D-Rose was.
    
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  - Posted on: Sun, 12/06/2015 - 2:06am #1029070
    
    Jr. ROXAS
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    Well all the skills you mentioned above that "aren’t all that great" aren’t what makes D-Rose special anyways. It’s like questioning Westbrook’s greatness because his passing, shooting and IQ "aren’t all that great".
    What made D-Rose absolutely special was his finishing and ability, which in my opinion was one of the best ever. And I beg to differ on the ball-handling, because that guy has the ball on a string. Anyway, his finishing ability was one of a kind. His finishes around the rim are a lot like Kyrie’s now, with more athleticsm and strength. His finishing ability was a skill that separated him from others. Up and unders, switching hands in mid-air, all those stuff that normally don’t go in but with him, it’s like he practices it everyday. Again, a lot like Kyrie’s but with more athleticsm.
    And you can’t expec one to be the same after undergoing 2 major knee surgeries. He has lost his confidence now, both in his game and his body, which is sad. But you can’t deny how great MVP D-Rose was.
    
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    - Posted on: Sun, 12/06/2015 - 1:01pm #1029144
      
      GBee
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      It’s not about what made him special when he was MVP anymore. He’s in a situation where he had to evolve and improve his skill level to make up for what he lost physically. He hasn’t. All the greats go through it. The physical peak usually occurs before a player’s actual prime, but TRUE great players constantly evolve through their prime. I’m not saying Derrick still has the potential to be great because as I said in my previous post, I think that ship has sailed, but he still has the physical tools to be a very good player, IF his skill improves but I don’t see that happening. I’ve seen enough of him to have an idea of what his cap is skill wise and IMO it’s not enough to compensate for what he lost.
      And no, Derrick’s handle is nothing special at all. He doesn’t know how to get a defender leaning. He stuggles executing counter counters and stringing multiple changes of direction in a row. He’s always had issues of moving his body faster than the ball (he was just quick enough to recover), dribbling high, discontinuing his dribble under pressure, having difficulty creating his own momentum vs sagging defenders, etc. Footwork is an underrated aspect of a player’s handle and Derrick’s is no good. He’s a jumpstopper, a hopstepper and you rarely see him executing advanced footwork. For the most part he relied on 1 change of direction and his physical tools, not via manipulating his defender. He doesn’t have the cleverness or foresight to manipulate his defender. Just look at him in one on one situations. It’s so obvious what he’s going to do because he predetermines his moves. He was able to get away with it before his injuries bc there was nothing the defender could do to stop it.
      
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    - Posted on: Sun, 12/06/2015 - 1:01pm #1029279
      
      GBee
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      It’s not about what made him special when he was MVP anymore. He’s in a situation where he had to evolve and improve his skill level to make up for what he lost physically. He hasn’t. All the greats go through it. The physical peak usually occurs before a player’s actual prime, but TRUE great players constantly evolve through their prime. I’m not saying Derrick still has the potential to be great because as I said in my previous post, I think that ship has sailed, but he still has the physical tools to be a very good player, IF his skill improves but I don’t see that happening. I’ve seen enough of him to have an idea of what his cap is skill wise and IMO it’s not enough to compensate for what he lost.
      And no, Derrick’s handle is nothing special at all. He doesn’t know how to get a defender leaning. He stuggles executing counter counters and stringing multiple changes of direction in a row. He’s always had issues of moving his body faster than the ball (he was just quick enough to recover), dribbling high, discontinuing his dribble under pressure, having difficulty creating his own momentum vs sagging defenders, etc. Footwork is an underrated aspect of a player’s handle and Derrick’s is no good. He’s a jumpstopper, a hopstepper and you rarely see him executing advanced footwork. For the most part he relied on 1 change of direction and his physical tools, not via manipulating his defender. He doesn’t have the cleverness or foresight to manipulate his defender. Just look at him in one on one situations. It’s so obvious what he’s going to do because he predetermines his moves. He was able to get away with it before his injuries bc there was nothing the defender could do to stop it.
      
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Posted on: Sun, 12/06/2015 - 6:57am #1029233

Hitster
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Interesting post, we don’t know how much his vision problem is affecting him, if he is playing through this then he has earned a lot of respect from me. Chicago are still 11-6 with Noah playing from the bench, a 35 year old Pau Gasol and D-Rose seeing double so they aren’t doing too badly.
Also if D-Rose can hit 19 points with dodgy vision when this improves he may well be very good again.
I don’t think he’ll ever be as exlosive as he was in his MVP year but he can still be an excellent NBA player, he will need to rely on his shooting more and try to make himself a top 3 point shooting PG and play as a more pass first PG too perhaps.
Next season will be a huge one for him as it will be contract year leading to him being a possible FA in 2017.

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Posted on: Sun, 12/06/2015 - 6:57am #1029098

Hitster
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Interesting post, we don’t know how much his vision problem is affecting him, if he is playing through this then he has earned a lot of respect from me. Chicago are still 11-6 with Noah playing from the bench, a 35 year old Pau Gasol and D-Rose seeing double so they aren’t doing too badly.
Also if D-Rose can hit 19 points with dodgy vision when this improves he may well be very good again.
I don’t think he’ll ever be as exlosive as he was in his MVP year but he can still be an excellent NBA player, he will need to rely on his shooting more and try to make himself a top 3 point shooting PG and play as a more pass first PG too perhaps.
Next season will be a huge one for him as it will be contract year leading to him being a possible FA in 2017.

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Posted on: Sun, 12/06/2015 - 7:49am #1029244

dannyg219
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I bet he will still beat you all in a game or 21. Derrick Rose isn’t the problem, for the Bulls. Tony Snell who has been in the starting rotation since Day 1, is very inconsistent. So Rose gets the the blame, yes Snelly Cat can defend, but he isn’t starting caliber, amd needs d league.
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Posted on: Sun, 12/06/2015 - 7:49am #1029108

dannyg219
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I bet he will still beat you all in a game or 21. Derrick Rose isn’t the problem, for the Bulls. Tony Snell who has been in the starting rotation since Day 1, is very inconsistent. So Rose gets the the blame, yes Snelly Cat can defend, but he isn’t starting caliber, amd needs d league.
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Posted on: Sun, 12/06/2015 - 8:14am #1029247

PulseGlazer
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Rose shoots too much given that his vision is blurry and he lacks explosiveness.
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Posted on: Sun, 12/06/2015 - 8:14am #1029112

PulseGlazer
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Rose shoots too much given that his vision is blurry and he lacks explosiveness.
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Posted on: Sun, 12/06/2015 - 8:59am #1029253

IndianaBasketball
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Even when he’s seeing clearly, he’s still not a very good shooter. Last season, he shot 28% from three-point, but still averaged a career high in attempts. He’s bascially a low 30’s shooter from everywhere on the floor, except the free-throw line, but he doesn’t get there anymore. He’s finishing below 40% around the rim right now. Some are giving him a pass due to his vision, but I think it’s a little more than that.
He’s just not the same finisher, especially with contact. Like he can’t consistently make those difficult shots he used to. He’s still a very good athlete and fast going north and south, but I just don’t think he’s the same athlete laterally. He doesn’t change directions/stop and go the same.
I still root for him, but I just think he’s done being a star caliber player consistently. He needs to re-invent his game. Become a better shooter (especially off of the catch), look to create more and accept a lesser role. There’s just no way he should be leading this team in shot attempts. It’s like in his mind, he still thinks he has to or has the abilty to carry this team. He doesn’t.

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Posted on: Sun, 12/06/2015 - 8:59am #1029118

IndianaBasketball
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Even when he’s seeing clearly, he’s still not a very good shooter. Last season, he shot 28% from three-point, but still averaged a career high in attempts. He’s bascially a low 30’s shooter from everywhere on the floor, except the free-throw line, but he doesn’t get there anymore. He’s finishing below 40% around the rim right now. Some are giving him a pass due to his vision, but I think it’s a little more than that.
He’s just not the same finisher, especially with contact. Like he can’t consistently make those difficult shots he used to. He’s still a very good athlete and fast going north and south, but I just don’t think he’s the same athlete laterally. He doesn’t change directions/stop and go the same.
I still root for him, but I just think he’s done being a star caliber player consistently. He needs to re-invent his game. Become a better shooter (especially off of the catch), look to create more and accept a lesser role. There’s just no way he should be leading this team in shot attempts. It’s like in his mind, he still thinks he has to or has the abilty to carry this team. He doesn’t.

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- Posted on: Mon, 12/07/2015 - 10:20am #1029433
  
  tuck243
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  After looking at last year’s numbers, you’re wrong… His stats are a little weird though…
  Last year from 0-3 feet he shot over 55% which is still top 10 for his position (and tied for 3rd for his career best)… He shot 51% last year from 3-10 feet which is HIGHER than Stephen Curry and Lillard.
  Then we go to this year and he’s shooting terrible from 0-3 feet and 3-10… But he’s leading his position and shooting better than Steph from 10-16 which he’s at 52% and Steph is at 40%…
  I think it’s safe to say, wait it out…
  
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- Posted on: Mon, 12/07/2015 - 10:20am #1029298
  
  tuck243
  Participant
  After looking at last year’s numbers, you’re wrong… His stats are a little weird though…
  Last year from 0-3 feet he shot over 55% which is still top 10 for his position (and tied for 3rd for his career best)… He shot 51% last year from 3-10 feet which is HIGHER than Stephen Curry and Lillard.
  Then we go to this year and he’s shooting terrible from 0-3 feet and 3-10… But he’s leading his position and shooting better than Steph from 10-16 which he’s at 52% and Steph is at 40%…
  I think it’s safe to say, wait it out…
  
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Posted on: Sun, 12/06/2015 - 11:39am #1029134

NJHooper95
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Rose was an elite finisher, with great body control when healthy. He was a better finisher than Westbrook. Rose athleticism is what made him special and he had great handles, but was never a good shooter, is an average passer and defender. He has struggled to transition because while he is still a good athlete, he is no longer a world-class athlete, he can’t shoot, and is not a cerebral player and has lost his heart.

However, he is only 27 and can still become an all star caliber player again.

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Posted on: Sun, 12/06/2015 - 11:39am #1029269

NJHooper95
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Rose was an elite finisher, with great body control when healthy. He was a better finisher than Westbrook. Rose athleticism is what made him special and he had great handles, but was never a good shooter, is an average passer and defender. He has struggled to transition because while he is still a good athlete, he is no longer a world-class athlete, he can’t shoot, and is not a cerebral player and has lost his heart.

However, he is only 27 and can still become an all star caliber player again.

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Posted on: Sun, 12/06/2015 - 11:39am #1029136

NJHooper95
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Rose was an elite finisher, with great body control when healthy. He was a better finisher than Westbrook. Rose athleticism is what made him special and he had great handles, but was never a good shooter, is an average passer and defender. He has struggled to transition because while he is still a good athlete, he is no longer a world-class athlete, he can’t shoot, and is not a cerebral player and has lost his heart.

However, he is only 27 and can still become an all star caliber player again.

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Posted on: Sun, 12/06/2015 - 11:39am #1029271

NJHooper95
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Rose was an elite finisher, with great body control when healthy. He was a better finisher than Westbrook. Rose athleticism is what made him special and he had great handles, but was never a good shooter, is an average passer and defender. He has struggled to transition because while he is still a good athlete, he is no longer a world-class athlete, he can’t shoot, and is not a cerebral player and has lost his heart.

However, he is only 27 and can still become an all star caliber player again.

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Posted on: Mon, 12/07/2015 - 3:41am #1029208

PulseGlazer
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So anyone want to look up Rose’s numbers near the basket and compare them to Russ’ this or last year? I mean, you’ve been arguing this for days, why not find the answer?
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Posted on: Mon, 12/07/2015 - 3:41am #1029343

PulseGlazer
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So anyone want to look up Rose’s numbers near the basket and compare them to Russ’ this or last year? I mean, you’ve been arguing this for days, why not find the answer?
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Posted on: Mon, 12/07/2015 - 8:08am #1029391

Ewalton23
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D.Rose isn’t done yet however I do think he will have to adjust his game to continue to be an elite level player over time. He still has the quickness and handle to get anywhere he wants to get on the floor at all times. Rose was never a great shooter and must improve in this area to get back to being a consistent 20 ppg threat night in and night out. A good point was made earlier that he still suffers from double vision and cant see 20/20 right now. Lets wait and see what happens after that and remember this was a very strange injury to have. Due to the delicate nature Rose could do no more than walk for 4 weeks because any pounding or the wrong hit could have caused him to lose vision in the eye. The Bulls will be in the playoffs and remember Rose is in a contract year. So lets wait and see.
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Posted on: Mon, 12/07/2015 - 8:08am #1029256

Ewalton23
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D.Rose isn’t done yet however I do think he will have to adjust his game to continue to be an elite level player over time. He still has the quickness and handle to get anywhere he wants to get on the floor at all times. Rose was never a great shooter and must improve in this area to get back to being a consistent 20 ppg threat night in and night out. A good point was made earlier that he still suffers from double vision and cant see 20/20 right now. Lets wait and see what happens after that and remember this was a very strange injury to have. Due to the delicate nature Rose could do no more than walk for 4 weeks because any pounding or the wrong hit could have caused him to lose vision in the eye. The Bulls will be in the playoffs and remember Rose is in a contract year. So lets wait and see.
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Posted on: Mon, 12/07/2015 - 10:50am #1029443

Malik-Universal
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what hurts drose is that he is hesitant.. hes still explosive but you have to question whether or not he wants to harness it for a full game.. if he doesnt get it together in the very near future idk what to even say anymore about him
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Posted on: Mon, 12/07/2015 - 10:50am #1029308

Malik-Universal
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what hurts drose is that he is hesitant.. hes still explosive but you have to question whether or not he wants to harness it for a full game.. if he doesnt get it together in the very near future idk what to even say anymore about him
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