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- Posted on: Wed, 12/02/2015 - 3:00pm #62056

cheetosjalapeno17ParticipantHypothetically, if boogie was available what package of picks and players would you use to trade for him. I think he and bars Stevens would be a match made in heaven. Would two of the Brooklyn picks + David Lee suffice? Would you sacrifice a slim chance at Ben Simmons for boogie, an established top 10 talent?
0 - Posted on: Wed, 12/02/2015 - 4:13pm #1028463
trelos6ParticipantCavs gave up Wiggins (#1 pick) for Love.
If Celtics get Simmons (#1 pick), he should be able to be traded straight up for Boogie.
At the moment, Nets pick is likely top 5, so we’d have to supplement that pick with Dallas and Minny first rounders this year and then it would be feasible.
Sactown get potential #1, #8, #13 picks for Boogie.
Worse case, they get #5 pick, 2 second round picks in 2016, 2017 via Wovles, Mavs top 7 protected from 2016-2020.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 12/02/2015 - 4:13pm #1028598
trelos6ParticipantCavs gave up Wiggins (#1 pick) for Love.
If Celtics get Simmons (#1 pick), he should be able to be traded straight up for Boogie.
At the moment, Nets pick is likely top 5, so we’d have to supplement that pick with Dallas and Minny first rounders this year and then it would be feasible.
Sactown get potential #1, #8, #13 picks for Boogie.
Worse case, they get #5 pick, 2 second round picks in 2016, 2017 via Wovles, Mavs top 7 protected from 2016-2020.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 12/02/2015 - 4:44pm #1028465

BleedGreen808ParticipantI’d love to acquire Boogie somehow but from what I’ve heard the Kings would ask for a ton of assets in any trade for him. Despite the connection between Boston and Boogie apparently there haven’t actually been trade talk because of that.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 12/02/2015 - 4:44pm #1028599

BleedGreen808ParticipantI’d love to acquire Boogie somehow but from what I’ve heard the Kings would ask for a ton of assets in any trade for him. Despite the connection between Boston and Boogie apparently there haven’t actually been trade talk because of that.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 12/02/2015 - 5:01pm #1028467

mgreener_34ParticipantI don’t know, I think that’s a tough one. We are on a good path, are a winning team who outsourced our tank to other teams, and have a ton of young guys. Before I went through with Cousins, I would like to know if there is a plan to bring in another elite level scorer first, and who would be on the team.
I think a fair trade would be:
BRK 2016, 2018 DAL 2016
Sully
Rozier
and Lee
Strait up for Cousins. Anything more than that is too much, and anything less than that is too little. I think Sully would fit in perfectly with WCS, Rozier would give them a nice PG prospect to groom (I actually think Rozier has the potential to be a Jeff Teague type of player), and they would get three picks to start fresh. That deal is on the lines of what UTAH got for Deron, Hornets for Paul, Orlando for Dwight, and Denver for Melo.
Smart/Bradley/Crowder/Olynyk/Cousins is a nice team to throw out there, but the team still needs to address the SF position. Crowder isn’t the answer unless Smart takes off offensively, and think that’s why we might hold onto the pick. If we can get Simmons/Brown/Ingram/Skal than I wouldn’t care too much for DCuz because our team is already a legit playoff team, and is still young. Wait for the draft to see where that pick lands, and then trade if you need to.
No trade for Cousins is going to be in season, so it’s better to wait till you know for sure how good that pick will be
0 - Posted on: Wed, 12/02/2015 - 5:01pm #1028602

mgreener_34ParticipantI don’t know, I think that’s a tough one. We are on a good path, are a winning team who outsourced our tank to other teams, and have a ton of young guys. Before I went through with Cousins, I would like to know if there is a plan to bring in another elite level scorer first, and who would be on the team.
I think a fair trade would be:
BRK 2016, 2018 DAL 2016
Sully
Rozier
and Lee
Strait up for Cousins. Anything more than that is too much, and anything less than that is too little. I think Sully would fit in perfectly with WCS, Rozier would give them a nice PG prospect to groom (I actually think Rozier has the potential to be a Jeff Teague type of player), and they would get three picks to start fresh. That deal is on the lines of what UTAH got for Deron, Hornets for Paul, Orlando for Dwight, and Denver for Melo.
Smart/Bradley/Crowder/Olynyk/Cousins is a nice team to throw out there, but the team still needs to address the SF position. Crowder isn’t the answer unless Smart takes off offensively, and think that’s why we might hold onto the pick. If we can get Simmons/Brown/Ingram/Skal than I wouldn’t care too much for DCuz because our team is already a legit playoff team, and is still young. Wait for the draft to see where that pick lands, and then trade if you need to.
No trade for Cousins is going to be in season, so it’s better to wait till you know for sure how good that pick will be
0 - Posted on: Wed, 12/02/2015 - 5:10pm #1028471
Gold ChainI’m not a big fan of pizzing away valuable future assets like that.
Cousins only has 1.5 years on his (max) contract, and in two years we’d be looking like the Nets, watching two studs on other teams playing great on rookie contracts. It’s not like the Nets are likely to be much better next year, so giving up two of those Nets picks is reckless.
Sully is playing like a poor man’s Cousins right now, and what Sully lacks in offensive production, the Celtics don’t necessarily want to see being given all to one player.
Celtics system works pretty well because everybody gets shots.
Most teams with big offensive stars get disfunctional after a year or two, because people get sick of just standing around and being expected to work twice as hard on defense to cover for the star.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 12/02/2015 - 5:10pm #1028605
Gold ChainI’m not a big fan of pizzing away valuable future assets like that.
Cousins only has 1.5 years on his (max) contract, and in two years we’d be looking like the Nets, watching two studs on other teams playing great on rookie contracts. It’s not like the Nets are likely to be much better next year, so giving up two of those Nets picks is reckless.
Sully is playing like a poor man’s Cousins right now, and what Sully lacks in offensive production, the Celtics don’t necessarily want to see being given all to one player.
Celtics system works pretty well because everybody gets shots.
Most teams with big offensive stars get disfunctional after a year or two, because people get sick of just standing around and being expected to work twice as hard on defense to cover for the star.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 12/02/2015 - 6:46pm #1028628
ScarTissue98Participantpick w/o knowing what it will be yet straight up for Okafor??? On a real team, Okafor would be an absolute Beast & w/ Isiah Thomas you guys would have an insane inside outside game w/ Isaiah able to create his own shot & Okafor is a match up nightmare commanding a double team……..
0 - Posted on: Wed, 12/02/2015 - 6:46pm #1028492
ScarTissue98Participantpick w/o knowing what it will be yet straight up for Okafor??? On a real team, Okafor would be an absolute Beast & w/ Isiah Thomas you guys would have an insane inside outside game w/ Isaiah able to create his own shot & Okafor is a match up nightmare commanding a double team……..
0 - Posted on: Wed, 12/02/2015 - 9:26pm #1028650
CU.LIONSParticipantPhilly will not be giving up Okafor, for a pick. Especially with Embiid’s future very uncertain.
And I am in no way wanting to trade Brooklyn’s pick, Boston does have more than a little chance for Simmons. I would love to have Cousins, and Boston does have a ton of assets. And I do think they will try to acquire someone bigtime eventually. But the Brooklyn pick should be in a top 5 pick and certainly might be number one. Ben Simmons is too good to throw away a reasonable chance in getting him.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 12/02/2015 - 9:26pm #1028514
CU.LIONSParticipantPhilly will not be giving up Okafor, for a pick. Especially with Embiid’s future very uncertain.
And I am in no way wanting to trade Brooklyn’s pick, Boston does have more than a little chance for Simmons. I would love to have Cousins, and Boston does have a ton of assets. And I do think they will try to acquire someone bigtime eventually. But the Brooklyn pick should be in a top 5 pick and certainly might be number one. Ben Simmons is too good to throw away a reasonable chance in getting him.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 8:42am #1028716
markfitz14ParticipantI would say wait until the draft selection is made. Then a possibile trade for Cousins could happen as long as its not the #1 pick.
But yeah I would def trade an unestablished player draft pick for an established player issues and all. The Celtics would become contenders for sure with Cousins. Nets pick, Celtics pick and Sully or Olynik, RJ Hunter or Rozier. Not much more than that. They prbly ask for another Nets pick which I would then hang up lol.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 8:42am #1028580
markfitz14ParticipantI would say wait until the draft selection is made. Then a possibile trade for Cousins could happen as long as its not the #1 pick.
But yeah I would def trade an unestablished player draft pick for an established player issues and all. The Celtics would become contenders for sure with Cousins. Nets pick, Celtics pick and Sully or Olynik, RJ Hunter or Rozier. Not much more than that. They prbly ask for another Nets pick which I would then hang up lol.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 8:56am #1028722
Memphis MadnessParticipantDO NOT trade Ben Simmons if your Celtics get him.
He can do a ton. He and Marcus Smart can drive and dish all day long. Just get some shooters out there around them. Kelly Olynyk is good.
Why not go after Festus Ezeli as a center? Lower maintenance and cheaper than Boogie. Better athlete.
Since they already have another former Warriors big on the roster (David Lee) why not go after Mo Speights too? Just as big and ornery as Boogie. He can’t get you 25 a night, but he can hit some mid-range jumpers and take up space. He can also play either the 4 or 5.
Olynyk, Ezeli, Mo, and Lee can play mix and match inside.
David Lee is expiring, but I bet he would take less money next year, so why not just throw a little money at him to get him to stay? Unless they can get good assets for him in a draft night trade.
Ben Simmons, Smart, Olynyk, and IT is a good core. Simmons has super star potential which is what you need for a great core. Ezeli would be a GREAT fit.
Then spend the rest of your time getting wing players who can SHOOT.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 8:56am #1028586
Memphis MadnessParticipantDO NOT trade Ben Simmons if your Celtics get him.
He can do a ton. He and Marcus Smart can drive and dish all day long. Just get some shooters out there around them. Kelly Olynyk is good.
Why not go after Festus Ezeli as a center? Lower maintenance and cheaper than Boogie. Better athlete.
Since they already have another former Warriors big on the roster (David Lee) why not go after Mo Speights too? Just as big and ornery as Boogie. He can’t get you 25 a night, but he can hit some mid-range jumpers and take up space. He can also play either the 4 or 5.
Olynyk, Ezeli, Mo, and Lee can play mix and match inside.
David Lee is expiring, but I bet he would take less money next year, so why not just throw a little money at him to get him to stay? Unless they can get good assets for him in a draft night trade.
Ben Simmons, Smart, Olynyk, and IT is a good core. Simmons has super star potential which is what you need for a great core. Ezeli would be a GREAT fit.
Then spend the rest of your time getting wing players who can SHOOT.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 6:20pm #1028724

omphalosParticipantIf we can get Simmons I’d be throwing a max deal at Meyers Leonard to get him away from portland, put the ball in Simmons’ hands because we don’t have a great playmaker and just blitz teams with shooting, transition and swarming D.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 6:20pm #1028859

omphalosParticipantIf we can get Simmons I’d be throwing a max deal at Meyers Leonard to get him away from portland, put the ball in Simmons’ hands because we don’t have a great playmaker and just blitz teams with shooting, transition and swarming D.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 12/04/2015 - 7:51pm #1028930
TeslaBallerParticipantWhile I’m not a Celts fan looking at their team you have to ask, who is untouchable? Thomas and Nets picks have to be top of the list of asset you have to keep. After that you would be crazy not to trade any combination of remaining players or pick for Cousins. That remaining group clearly isn’t enough for Sacramento. So what can you part with on the untouchable list? The Nets 2018 pick could go but that’s still not enough and that’s pretty much the end of thoughts for trading for Cousins.
Bottom line Sacramento would want too much. You can’t make a trade for Cousins that doesn’t leave you with Cousins, Thomas and the Nets pick this year.
0- Posted on: Sat, 12/05/2015 - 6:40pm #1029141

mgreener_34ParticipantThomas is not untouchable. He’s a ket piece to the team because right now the only other player on the Celtics capable of creating a shot is Evan Turner. If we got Cousins, than priority #1 would be to find another capable scorer to pair with him and Bradley (Who’s becoming a decent 3rd option). Someone like Derozen in FA or Harrison Barnes.
I think that’s the beauty of what Danny Ainge has been able to do so far. He’s set the team up so that they are rebuilding with guys like Smart/Olynyk/Sully/Hunter, and can add any number of lottery picks to that core to continue to go young, but he’s also made it so that if we swing for the fenses and somehow get a big trade, than we will still have competent role-players in AB/Crowder/IT/Amir who can play good minutes on a playoff team.
It’s hard not to like what they are doing right now
0 - Posted on: Sat, 12/05/2015 - 6:40pm #1029006

mgreener_34ParticipantThomas is not untouchable. He’s a ket piece to the team because right now the only other player on the Celtics capable of creating a shot is Evan Turner. If we got Cousins, than priority #1 would be to find another capable scorer to pair with him and Bradley (Who’s becoming a decent 3rd option). Someone like Derozen in FA or Harrison Barnes.
I think that’s the beauty of what Danny Ainge has been able to do so far. He’s set the team up so that they are rebuilding with guys like Smart/Olynyk/Sully/Hunter, and can add any number of lottery picks to that core to continue to go young, but he’s also made it so that if we swing for the fenses and somehow get a big trade, than we will still have competent role-players in AB/Crowder/IT/Amir who can play good minutes on a playoff team.
It’s hard not to like what they are doing right now
0- Posted on: Wed, 12/09/2015 - 11:07am #1029997
TeslaBallerParticipantThomas might be a decent 3rd option on a championship caliber team but at best Avery Bradley is a role player on a championship caliber team. Don’t over value players because there on your team. I’m a 6-76ers fan, Covington isn’t becoming a decent 3rd option on a championship contender because he’s putting up #s on the 6-76ers. He’s a good role player, that’s it. The same can be said for AB and every other Celts player except for Thomas.
In free agency you want no parts of DeRozan, he’s just not that good or efficient. Harrison Barnes is gonna get over paid by someone you just don’t want it to be your team. Looking at 1-2 punches around the league is Barnes a #2 guy? I don’t think so.
Ainge is good I guess, that Nets trade deserves praise. I just don’t like his drafting 2 tweeners in Smart and Sully and playing it safe with Olynyk. Why not swing for the fences in that position?
I think your coach is the real deal. Hopefully he can help attract a key FA to get you out of no man’s land.
Free agency is an option but you want no parts of DeRozan and I would be skeptical of a player like Barnes. He’s a perfect fit as 3rd or 4th option in a perfect system, that after a championship season is yielding perfect results. It would be a whole different world to be the 1st option in Boston.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 12/09/2015 - 11:07am #1030134
TeslaBallerParticipantThomas might be a decent 3rd option on a championship caliber team but at best Avery Bradley is a role player on a championship caliber team. Don’t over value players because there on your team. I’m a 6-76ers fan, Covington isn’t becoming a decent 3rd option on a championship contender because he’s putting up #s on the 6-76ers. He’s a good role player, that’s it. The same can be said for AB and every other Celts player except for Thomas.
In free agency you want no parts of DeRozan, he’s just not that good or efficient. Harrison Barnes is gonna get over paid by someone you just don’t want it to be your team. Looking at 1-2 punches around the league is Barnes a #2 guy? I don’t think so.
Ainge is good I guess, that Nets trade deserves praise. I just don’t like his drafting 2 tweeners in Smart and Sully and playing it safe with Olynyk. Why not swing for the fences in that position?
I think your coach is the real deal. Hopefully he can help attract a key FA to get you out of no man’s land.
Free agency is an option but you want no parts of DeRozan and I would be skeptical of a player like Barnes. He’s a perfect fit as 3rd or 4th option in a perfect system, that after a championship season is yielding perfect results. It would be a whole different world to be the 1st option in Boston.
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- Posted on: Fri, 12/04/2015 - 7:51pm #1029065
TeslaBallerParticipantWhile I’m not a Celts fan looking at their team you have to ask, who is untouchable? Thomas and Nets picks have to be top of the list of asset you have to keep. After that you would be crazy not to trade any combination of remaining players or pick for Cousins. That remaining group clearly isn’t enough for Sacramento. So what can you part with on the untouchable list? The Nets 2018 pick could go but that’s still not enough and that’s pretty much the end of thoughts for trading for Cousins.
Bottom line Sacramento would want too much. You can’t make a trade for Cousins that doesn’t leave you with Cousins, Thomas and the Nets pick this year.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 12/05/2015 - 6:51pm #1029143
CU.LIONSParticipantWOW anyone watching Boston lose a tough one at the Spurs has to be impressed with Boston. The team built with mainly mid-level role players are both moving he ball and playing UNBELIEVABLE and inspired team basketball. The defense rotates in unison.
I can’t imagine what Boston/Stevens can do if they can only get a true franchise player or 2. Man getting ben Simmons and maybe a very/Great FA and /or a trade and Boston can contend for years.
Here’s hoping Brooklyn can do their part.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 12/05/2015 - 6:51pm #1029008
CU.LIONSParticipantWOW anyone watching Boston lose a tough one at the Spurs has to be impressed with Boston. The team built with mainly mid-level role players are both moving he ball and playing UNBELIEVABLE and inspired team basketball. The defense rotates in unison.
I can’t imagine what Boston/Stevens can do if they can only get a true franchise player or 2. Man getting ben Simmons and maybe a very/Great FA and /or a trade and Boston can contend for years.
Here’s hoping Brooklyn can do their part.
0- Posted on: Sat, 12/05/2015 - 7:13pm #1029147
Gold ChainYou sound like me. But in the Boston system, Simmons isn’t an ideal fit, unless he can shoot a jump shot. Even Sully and Amir hit threes.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 12/05/2015 - 7:13pm #1029012
Gold ChainYou sound like me. But in the Boston system, Simmons isn’t an ideal fit, unless he can shoot a jump shot. Even Sully and Amir hit threes.
0- Posted on: Sat, 12/05/2015 - 7:23pm #1029153

ZachAttackParticipantSimmons is ideal in any system.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 12/05/2015 - 7:23pm #1029018

ZachAttackParticipantSimmons is ideal in any system.
0- Posted on: Sat, 12/05/2015 - 7:31pm #1029154
Gold ChainNot if he can’t play off the ball, but you’re probably right and he can play off the ball in the post if he has a stretch center next to him. People sleep on spacing, and then wonder why great teams on paper suck when the games start.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 12/05/2015 - 7:31pm #1029020
Gold ChainNot if he can’t play off the ball, but you’re probably right and he can play off the ball in the post if he has a stretch center next to him. People sleep on spacing, and then wonder why great teams on paper suck when the games start.
0- Posted on: Sun, 12/06/2015 - 12:17pm #1029142

mgreener_34ParticipantNot true at all, look what Stevens did for Jordon Crawford and Evan Turner. Guys who people thought would be out of the league actually look like decent NBA players, and both contributed to winning basketball. Having Simmoms would be fantastic in our offense, as his shot isn’t broken on the level that people are making it out to be (just because he doesn’t shoot 5 3’s a game, doesn’t mean he isn’t capable of hitting them or the midrange jumper), and him at the 4 is such a mismatch for other team. The entire Celtics offense is predicated on creating mismatches on off ball picks, and high pick and roles. Having a player like Simmons to role to the basket and shoot/pass/drive would be unstopable with someone like IT
0 - Posted on: Sun, 12/06/2015 - 12:17pm #1029277

mgreener_34ParticipantNot true at all, look what Stevens did for Jordon Crawford and Evan Turner. Guys who people thought would be out of the league actually look like decent NBA players, and both contributed to winning basketball. Having Simmoms would be fantastic in our offense, as his shot isn’t broken on the level that people are making it out to be (just because he doesn’t shoot 5 3’s a game, doesn’t mean he isn’t capable of hitting them or the midrange jumper), and him at the 4 is such a mismatch for other team. The entire Celtics offense is predicated on creating mismatches on off ball picks, and high pick and roles. Having a player like Simmons to role to the basket and shoot/pass/drive would be unstopable with someone like IT
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