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- Posted on: Sun, 11/22/2015 - 5:46am #61947
Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipantIs there a worse head coach in the league right now? It’s just getting hard to take this guy seriously. Before the season he says that Kobe will be on a strict mins restriction and he won’t go over it no matter what. Then not even 10 games into the season he is playing Kobe 36-38 mins a night and running him into the ground to the point that he is having to miss games due to soreness and fatigue. His explanation is that they need him out there to win games.
Call me crazy but if Kobe is really that valuable to the team (which he is not at this stage of his career) wouldn’t it be smarter to have him play less mins so he doesn’t have to miss entire games to recover.
Bottom line is that Scott just doesn’t seem to get it. The Lakers are a rebuilding team that have no chance of making the playoffs. They need a coach whose primary focus is developing their young talent, rather than running an aging superstar who isn’t producing anyway into the ground just to scrounge out a few inconsequential wins. As a Lakers fan, it is just difficult to watch. Scott is not the man to lead this team for the present or the future. I really hope they make a change sooner rather than later.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 11/22/2015 - 6:12am #1026385
ph90702The Lakers are a mess. There’s no easier way to describe it.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 11/22/2015 - 6:12am #1026250
ph90702The Lakers are a mess. There’s no easier way to describe it.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 11/22/2015 - 6:23am #1026387
FrankStalloneScott, Kobe, and DRussell just need to adjust. Chill!!
0 - Posted on: Sun, 11/22/2015 - 6:23am #1026252
FrankStalloneScott, Kobe, and DRussell just need to adjust. Chill!!
0 - Posted on: Sun, 11/22/2015 - 7:10am #1026401
NBAjunkie81Participant"Rebuilds" b/c the coach is thinking about his own job & knows he won’t be around anyway years later when the Rebuild pans out….. So they are going to depend on Vets to try to get wins…. I know it’s very frustrating & I agree that if a team is in a "Rebuild" they need to focus on developing those young players…. but w/ younger than ever players entering the League, that development is a very painful process…
0 - Posted on: Sun, 11/22/2015 - 7:10am #1026266
NBAjunkie81Participant"Rebuilds" b/c the coach is thinking about his own job & knows he won’t be around anyway years later when the Rebuild pans out….. So they are going to depend on Vets to try to get wins…. I know it’s very frustrating & I agree that if a team is in a "Rebuild" they need to focus on developing those young players…. but w/ younger than ever players entering the League, that development is a very painful process…
0 - Posted on: Sun, 11/22/2015 - 8:25am #1026417

Reptilian MonkParticipantLakers would be best to go tank mode again to retain their top 3 pick and draft Simmons/ Skal. They are in clear rebuild mode and if they get Simmon/Skal along with Russell, Randle, Clarkson, Nance. They have a nice young core they can build around for the future.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 11/22/2015 - 8:25am #1026282

Reptilian MonkParticipantLakers would be best to go tank mode again to retain their top 3 pick and draft Simmons/ Skal. They are in clear rebuild mode and if they get Simmon/Skal along with Russell, Randle, Clarkson, Nance. They have a nice young core they can build around for the future.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 11/22/2015 - 9:14am #1026433
Magic JordanParticipantThe biggest issue to me is the disconnect between the FO, Scott and reality. If they are making decisions and playing certain players in an attempt to win games, or make the playoffs as they still so blindly believe they can do… then that is an issue. Being realistic about the situation would be the best approach, however there seems to be none of that present.
For like the 100th time, Laker fans understand this more than management. This team isn’t doing ish and we just want to see the young guys play.
Scott is completely retarded. He thinks small ball means playing tiny Brandon Bass at the 5. He has done so every game.
Ahhh fuck it I don’t even want to get into it again.
Bottom line, until the FO and Scott are realistic about the team they have assembled nothing else matters.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 11/22/2015 - 9:14am #1026298
Magic JordanParticipantThe biggest issue to me is the disconnect between the FO, Scott and reality. If they are making decisions and playing certain players in an attempt to win games, or make the playoffs as they still so blindly believe they can do… then that is an issue. Being realistic about the situation would be the best approach, however there seems to be none of that present.
For like the 100th time, Laker fans understand this more than management. This team isn’t doing ish and we just want to see the young guys play.
Scott is completely retarded. He thinks small ball means playing tiny Brandon Bass at the 5. He has done so every game.
Ahhh fuck it I don’t even want to get into it again.
Bottom line, until the FO and Scott are realistic about the team they have assembled nothing else matters.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 11/22/2015 - 9:35am #1026437

llperezi didnt mind scott last year but so far this season he has me scratching my head. I dont like kobe out there 35+ plus minutes although scott has been adamant that he only does that when he knows kobe will get multiple days off afterwards. but some of th eother rotation decisions are where im scratching my head. Im not a fan of lou williams and he is struggling big time and seems to have a crappy attitude. hes shooting 33% from the field and 24% from three and takes poor shots like as if he is on fire instead of struggling. Deangelo and clarkson should both see even more minutes instead of that guy whos not a part of the long term plan. The one thing i did like that scott did was abandon ryan kelly in exchange for nance, nance has had a positive impact almost every time he is out there.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 11/22/2015 - 9:35am #1026302

llperezi didnt mind scott last year but so far this season he has me scratching my head. I dont like kobe out there 35+ plus minutes although scott has been adamant that he only does that when he knows kobe will get multiple days off afterwards. but some of th eother rotation decisions are where im scratching my head. Im not a fan of lou williams and he is struggling big time and seems to have a crappy attitude. hes shooting 33% from the field and 24% from three and takes poor shots like as if he is on fire instead of struggling. Deangelo and clarkson should both see even more minutes instead of that guy whos not a part of the long term plan. The one thing i did like that scott did was abandon ryan kelly in exchange for nance, nance has had a positive impact almost every time he is out there.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 11/22/2015 - 10:07am #1026310

TarHeelRavenParticipantThe Lakers are a complete embarrassment. I don’t think that organization has ever been this bad. I loved the Lakers back in the early 2000’s with Shaq, Kobe, Rick Fox, Fish, Devean George. They were awesome, fun to watch, had swagger. They are the complete opposite of that now. I’m obviously not in the locker room, but it seems Kobe has no interest in mentoring the young guys. I REALLY hope Kobe retires after this year. The Lakers need to move on from him BAD. They have nice young pieces in Deangelo and Julius Randle. I think the Lakers can be great again, but they are not a top destination for free agents anymore even with the weather and the celebrities. Byron Scott was a head scratcher as a hire because he’s a mediocre coach at best. To really be competitive, I think the Lakers need to hire a proven winner as their head coach. A guy that demands respect and has won at the NBA level. The Lakers have a LONG ways to go before the can compete for championships again.
0- Posted on: Sun, 11/22/2015 - 10:31am #1026312

llperezwhat makes you say kobe has no interest in mentoring young guys? Every single thing he has said and the lakers young guys have said this year has been that he is mentoring the young guys. He is openly encouraging them to shoot and be aggressive. There hasnt been one single case of kobe pouting when he hasnt gotten the ball this season. Unless you think deangel, clarkson and randle are all lying to make him look good.
0- Posted on: Mon, 11/23/2015 - 6:44am #1026580

daggers818ParticipantI have to be one of the biggest Laker fans out there (since 1968), and Byron is terrible, just terrible, and the Lakers stink. I can admit this, and I long for the day when they are elite again. I will wait for them as a true and patient fan, but I can be honest about what they are now. Bad. Now here’s my rant:
My theory and the one thing that comes to mind is that perhaps Byron is one of the few credible coaches out there that was willing to take this crappy job for a few years while the Lakers rebuild, willing to lose a season or two to get high draft picks, and willing to make seemingly odd decisions about strategy, playing time, personnel, etc to help the cause to lose — without APPEARING like the Lakers want to lose so as not to alienate their fan base (they are alienating regardless). Not too hard to fake, btw, since Byron is the worst coach in the NBA without trying! After the Lakers "fire" Byron (wink, wink), then he will magically show up on Laker telecats again, with still 2 years and $8M left to pay him on his coaching contract while he comments on Laker games as one of the Laker alumni along with Worthy, Green, Cooper, etc all on Time Warner Cable. It’s basically, pay Byron money to take the fall for the Laker front office while they figure this thing out.
Also, what’s this crap about Kobe saying it’s his responsibility now "to develop the youngsters and not go out there and score 25 anymore even though he could"??? On the Laker telecast last night, they made this whole big deal about his new altruistic approach prior to tipoff. No more than one minute later, Kobe then immediately goes off to take 10 shots (in the first quarter!), shooting 6 for 22 for the game including 0-5 on three pointers. He got off to a good start hitting his first couple, then probably got some notion this could be one of those rare opprortunities to score 30+ since he was hitting his first shots, then just started jacking it up as soon as he touched the ball. When Byron subbed him back in in the second quarter, he took like 5 seconds before he jacked up another one as came right back in the game! So where’s the stepping back and letting the kids play??? Is this just another one of Kobe’s convenient revisionist history kind of things where he damn well knows he can’t do the things he used to do so now he says he’s not going to try because that’s not his job anymore? Well then, do your new job and STOP shooting. You cannot make a basket anymore, we are losing anyhow, and so let’s just play the kids and get our draft pick already. We don’t need you to go out in a blaze of shooting blanks. No fun for anyone but you.
As of yesterday’s loss to the Blazers, I am happy to report that the strategy is working- 2nd worst now and back in the bottom 3!
0 - Posted on: Mon, 11/23/2015 - 6:44am #1026446

daggers818ParticipantI have to be one of the biggest Laker fans out there (since 1968), and Byron is terrible, just terrible, and the Lakers stink. I can admit this, and I long for the day when they are elite again. I will wait for them as a true and patient fan, but I can be honest about what they are now. Bad. Now here’s my rant:
My theory and the one thing that comes to mind is that perhaps Byron is one of the few credible coaches out there that was willing to take this crappy job for a few years while the Lakers rebuild, willing to lose a season or two to get high draft picks, and willing to make seemingly odd decisions about strategy, playing time, personnel, etc to help the cause to lose — without APPEARING like the Lakers want to lose so as not to alienate their fan base (they are alienating regardless). Not too hard to fake, btw, since Byron is the worst coach in the NBA without trying! After the Lakers "fire" Byron (wink, wink), then he will magically show up on Laker telecats again, with still 2 years and $8M left to pay him on his coaching contract while he comments on Laker games as one of the Laker alumni along with Worthy, Green, Cooper, etc all on Time Warner Cable. It’s basically, pay Byron money to take the fall for the Laker front office while they figure this thing out.
Also, what’s this crap about Kobe saying it’s his responsibility now "to develop the youngsters and not go out there and score 25 anymore even though he could"??? On the Laker telecast last night, they made this whole big deal about his new altruistic approach prior to tipoff. No more than one minute later, Kobe then immediately goes off to take 10 shots (in the first quarter!), shooting 6 for 22 for the game including 0-5 on three pointers. He got off to a good start hitting his first couple, then probably got some notion this could be one of those rare opprortunities to score 30+ since he was hitting his first shots, then just started jacking it up as soon as he touched the ball. When Byron subbed him back in in the second quarter, he took like 5 seconds before he jacked up another one as came right back in the game! So where’s the stepping back and letting the kids play??? Is this just another one of Kobe’s convenient revisionist history kind of things where he damn well knows he can’t do the things he used to do so now he says he’s not going to try because that’s not his job anymore? Well then, do your new job and STOP shooting. You cannot make a basket anymore, we are losing anyhow, and so let’s just play the kids and get our draft pick already. We don’t need you to go out in a blaze of shooting blanks. No fun for anyone but you.
As of yesterday’s loss to the Blazers, I am happy to report that the strategy is working- 2nd worst now and back in the bottom 3!
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- Posted on: Sun, 11/22/2015 - 10:31am #1026447

llperezwhat makes you say kobe has no interest in mentoring young guys? Every single thing he has said and the lakers young guys have said this year has been that he is mentoring the young guys. He is openly encouraging them to shoot and be aggressive. There hasnt been one single case of kobe pouting when he hasnt gotten the ball this season. Unless you think deangel, clarkson and randle are all lying to make him look good.
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- Posted on: Sun, 11/22/2015 - 10:07am #1026445

TarHeelRavenParticipantThe Lakers are a complete embarrassment. I don’t think that organization has ever been this bad. I loved the Lakers back in the early 2000’s with Shaq, Kobe, Rick Fox, Fish, Devean George. They were awesome, fun to watch, had swagger. They are the complete opposite of that now. I’m obviously not in the locker room, but it seems Kobe has no interest in mentoring the young guys. I REALLY hope Kobe retires after this year. The Lakers need to move on from him BAD. They have nice young pieces in Deangelo and Julius Randle. I think the Lakers can be great again, but they are not a top destination for free agents anymore even with the weather and the celebrities. Byron Scott was a head scratcher as a hire because he’s a mediocre coach at best. To really be competitive, I think the Lakers need to hire a proven winner as their head coach. A guy that demands respect and has won at the NBA level. The Lakers have a LONG ways to go before the can compete for championships again.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 11/22/2015 - 11:59am #1026322

TarHeelRavenParticipantWell, you’re a Lakers fan, and you know a million times more about the Lakers than me. Kobe hasn’t been known to be a mentor to anyone his entire career. I’ve just read articles saying he hasn’t been a mentor. Of course, that might be false. I might be completely wrong about the black mamba, I was just going off of his past experiences. If he is being a mentor then that’s really good. As I said, you know more than me, but I just assumed. Perhaps my assumption was wrong.
0- Posted on: Sun, 11/22/2015 - 12:22pm #1026332

llperez“The biggest person to help me through this was Kobe, by far.”-julius randle talking about who helped him through injury last season
“He’s been great, really,” Young said. “He’s been like my mentor, really, right now. He’s been calling, texting me, talking to me, motivating me. I think that’s big. Growing up, who would have thought Kobe would be the one doing all that? I didn’t ever think I’d be working out with Kobe or talking to him.”-nick young on kobe
“Being up under the wing of Kobe Bryant and the relationship that we built over that time, I learned a lot about the game of basketball,” Butler said. “I took the things that I learned from him, and that’s why I had the success that I had in my career.”-caron butler on kobe
“That’s pretty much all I talk to him about on the court,” Lin said. “He’s pushing me and demanding a lot from me. He’s definitely taking a mentorship role with me on the court. That’s something I don’t think I’ve had in my previous four years in the league.”….“That’s important and something I love,” Lin said of Bryant’s presence. “It’s a blessing he’s here in the same locker room.”-jeremy lin on kobe
kobe has done plenty with guys he believes in and you can visually see him encouraging the young guys this season. He has said all the right things in terms of this season being about the development of the youth and not about him.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 11/22/2015 - 12:22pm #1026467

llperez“The biggest person to help me through this was Kobe, by far.”-julius randle talking about who helped him through injury last season
“He’s been great, really,” Young said. “He’s been like my mentor, really, right now. He’s been calling, texting me, talking to me, motivating me. I think that’s big. Growing up, who would have thought Kobe would be the one doing all that? I didn’t ever think I’d be working out with Kobe or talking to him.”-nick young on kobe
“Being up under the wing of Kobe Bryant and the relationship that we built over that time, I learned a lot about the game of basketball,” Butler said. “I took the things that I learned from him, and that’s why I had the success that I had in my career.”-caron butler on kobe
“That’s pretty much all I talk to him about on the court,” Lin said. “He’s pushing me and demanding a lot from me. He’s definitely taking a mentorship role with me on the court. That’s something I don’t think I’ve had in my previous four years in the league.”….“That’s important and something I love,” Lin said of Bryant’s presence. “It’s a blessing he’s here in the same locker room.”-jeremy lin on kobe
kobe has done plenty with guys he believes in and you can visually see him encouraging the young guys this season. He has said all the right things in terms of this season being about the development of the youth and not about him.
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- Posted on: Sun, 11/22/2015 - 11:59am #1026457

TarHeelRavenParticipantWell, you’re a Lakers fan, and you know a million times more about the Lakers than me. Kobe hasn’t been known to be a mentor to anyone his entire career. I’ve just read articles saying he hasn’t been a mentor. Of course, that might be false. I might be completely wrong about the black mamba, I was just going off of his past experiences. If he is being a mentor then that’s really good. As I said, you know more than me, but I just assumed. Perhaps my assumption was wrong.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 11/22/2015 - 2:46pm #1026358
ballislyfe25ParticipantThe problem with Byron Scott isn’t his desire to win, it’s his inability to run a system that fits his roster.
Russell and Clarkson are nice young prospects, with the ability to shoot the ball, run the pick-and-roll, and get into the lane. Their defense needs work but they should be fine, as Clarkson is quick and tough and Russell has size and length for a guard. However, Scott has these guys walk the ball up court and play at an incredibly slow pace, which is weird coming from a guy who was part of the Showtime Lakers teams. There is rarely any use of the high p&r, basically a staple in today’s game for quick guards with handles. When the team plays freely and isn’t confined to Scott’s robotic set plays, they look much better and good looks for the entire team come naturally.
Scott has to go and it would be nice to bring in a young coach who will push the pace and let the young guys grow. I know coach Thibs is available but I don’t think this is a good match for team or coach. I mentioned Luke Walton once before on the site and people didn’t seem to like that idea but he has been doing a great job sitting in for Kerr and would bring a more modern gameplan to the team.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 11/22/2015 - 2:46pm #1026493
ballislyfe25ParticipantThe problem with Byron Scott isn’t his desire to win, it’s his inability to run a system that fits his roster.
Russell and Clarkson are nice young prospects, with the ability to shoot the ball, run the pick-and-roll, and get into the lane. Their defense needs work but they should be fine, as Clarkson is quick and tough and Russell has size and length for a guard. However, Scott has these guys walk the ball up court and play at an incredibly slow pace, which is weird coming from a guy who was part of the Showtime Lakers teams. There is rarely any use of the high p&r, basically a staple in today’s game for quick guards with handles. When the team plays freely and isn’t confined to Scott’s robotic set plays, they look much better and good looks for the entire team come naturally.
Scott has to go and it would be nice to bring in a young coach who will push the pace and let the young guys grow. I know coach Thibs is available but I don’t think this is a good match for team or coach. I mentioned Luke Walton once before on the site and people didn’t seem to like that idea but he has been doing a great job sitting in for Kerr and would bring a more modern gameplan to the team.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 11/22/2015 - 4:22pm #1026364
Memphis MadnessParticipantBen Simmons, Luke Walton, and Kobe retiring would be a great offseason for the Lakers.
0- Posted on: Mon, 11/23/2015 - 12:48am #1026422

Mr. HookShotParticipantThey should look for a coach who signs a long-term deal so he has the security to build the team from the ground up. Not sure whether that guy is Luke Walton, but also not sure who else could be good fit (Malone? Shaw? Tyronn Lue?).
As far as their team going: they have nice pieces in Russell, Clarkson, and Randle, and for the rest money committed to solid pieces / potential in Williams, Nance Jr., and Brown. Add solid defenders at the 3 and the 5 to that and you have a solid team going forward. However, it will take a few years (2 a 3) before the Lakers can be back at the top of the West.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 11/23/2015 - 12:48am #1026557

Mr. HookShotParticipantThey should look for a coach who signs a long-term deal so he has the security to build the team from the ground up. Not sure whether that guy is Luke Walton, but also not sure who else could be good fit (Malone? Shaw? Tyronn Lue?).
As far as their team going: they have nice pieces in Russell, Clarkson, and Randle, and for the rest money committed to solid pieces / potential in Williams, Nance Jr., and Brown. Add solid defenders at the 3 and the 5 to that and you have a solid team going forward. However, it will take a few years (2 a 3) before the Lakers can be back at the top of the West.
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- Posted on: Sun, 11/22/2015 - 4:22pm #1026498
Memphis MadnessParticipantBen Simmons, Luke Walton, and Kobe retiring would be a great offseason for the Lakers.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 11/23/2015 - 4:57am #1026565

220ParticipantI used to think Byron Scott was a good coach when he was in New Jersey taking them to the NBA Finals in back to back years and he still seemed like a good coach in New Orleans with Chris Paul, but he’s been awful since then. Maybe the players he had were so good they made him look good, I’m not sure. He seems lost which is surprising because he has a strong resume as a player and coach.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 11/23/2015 - 4:57am #1026430

220ParticipantI used to think Byron Scott was a good coach when he was in New Jersey taking them to the NBA Finals in back to back years and he still seemed like a good coach in New Orleans with Chris Paul, but he’s been awful since then. Maybe the players he had were so good they made him look good, I’m not sure. He seems lost which is surprising because he has a strong resume as a player and coach.
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