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- Posted on: Wed, 11/11/2015 - 10:43pm #61854
SkalAndJamalParticipantSo first let’s keep in mind in international games, there are players who team USA(
team full of all-stars) played against thatcant even sniffa nba team, but yet do compete with thesenba all-stars when they play against each other.Now let’s look at the per 36 for each player who has played in the
nba thus far.C| Willie Cauley-Stein: 10.9 ppg, 9.7
rpg , 0.8apg , 1.9spg , 1.6bpg F| Karl-Anthony Towns: 19.9 ppg, 12.9
rpg , 1.6apg , 0.4spg , 3.7bpg F| Trey Lyles: 7.4 ppg, 9.8
rpg , 1.6apg , 0.8spg , 0.0bpg G| Devin Booker: 17.1 ppg, 2.7
rpg , 0.9apg , 1.8spg , 0.9bpg G| Tyler Ulis, N/A
then you have one of the best PGs in all of college basketball, Tyler Ulis running the team… I think they could sneak a few wins! They got
great shot blocking and rebounding, Towns can carry a lot of the load offensively while Ulis can get everyone else going as well. Then you can look at a guy like TJ McConnell doing work inphilly andhe reallyisnt that much better than Ulis.0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/11/2015 - 10:56pm #1024021
trelos6Participantis a misleading stat.
Booker averages 10 mpg. His shot is looking nice though, and with 4.8 ppg, looks like he might get a bit more minutes in the back end of the season. Has a PER of 14.41
Trey Lyles averages even less minutes, 6.3. Scoring 1.3 ppg, 1.7 rpg, with a PER of 1.34
WCS is getting decent minutes, 21.2. Averaging 6.3 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 1 blk, 1.1 stl, shooting a decent FG%. PER is above average at 17.31. He should continue to get minutes this season.
Finally, the darling of the squad, KAT. Playing starter minutes, 29 mpg, dropping 16 ppg, 10.4 rpg, 3 blk, PER of 22.15. He is a front runner for ROY.
Safe to say, they might beat the current Philly team, but after that, no-one else.
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trelos6Participantis a misleading stat.
Booker averages 10 mpg. His shot is looking nice though, and with 4.8 ppg, looks like he might get a bit more minutes in the back end of the season. Has a PER of 14.41
Trey Lyles averages even less minutes, 6.3. Scoring 1.3 ppg, 1.7 rpg, with a PER of 1.34
WCS is getting decent minutes, 21.2. Averaging 6.3 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 1 blk, 1.1 stl, shooting a decent FG%. PER is above average at 17.31. He should continue to get minutes this season.
Finally, the darling of the squad, KAT. Playing starter minutes, 29 mpg, dropping 16 ppg, 10.4 rpg, 3 blk, PER of 22.15. He is a front runner for ROY.
Safe to say, they might beat the current Philly team, but after that, no-one else.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/11/2015 - 11:51pm #1024035
BleedGreen808ParticipantYou have to keep in mind that these players have improved since this was debated last season. They went though pre-draft training, workouts, summer league, training camp, etc to get to this point. Also I’m still not sure they would beat NBA teams if you put the team back together. I don’t think they have enough scoring outside of Towns and possibly Booker.
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BleedGreen808ParticipantYou have to keep in mind that these players have improved since this was debated last season. They went though pre-draft training, workouts, summer league, training camp, etc to get to this point. Also I’m still not sure they would beat NBA teams if you put the team back together. I don’t think they have enough scoring outside of Towns and possibly Booker.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 11/12/2015 - 12:06am #1024037
NBAjunkie81Participantmissing Noel, Marshal, Covington was an outrageously bad team…. But I agree w/ Trelos, the per 36 stat is Very misleading…. & the way Noel & Okafor have really been just killing NBA front courts (Utah was really the only team that kept them in check)…. w/ Stauskus (who was a really good college player) & Covington at the 3 spot (very good shooter & at 6’9”) excellent defender w/ Marshal running the point – I think they beat that Kentucky team….
& I have to admit, the way Kentucky lost to Wisconsin really took away some shine…… & remember that incredibly small "Elite 8" Notre Dame team was on the verge of beating K.U……. if not for Towns rescuing them……. A Kentucky vs Duke Final would have been EPIC…. So I can’t see them beating any NBA teams & even if we say yea they would beat that terrible team Phila put on the floor tonight…. What does that really even mean….
0- Posted on: Thu, 11/12/2015 - 6:19am #1024087
SlickBouncePassParticipantThis is an aside because the topic doesn’t do much for me, I agree, even if they could beat last night’s Sixers, who cares. Yes, that Kentucky team had some nice players, and yes, the Sixers aren’t very good this year, but they’ve hung in there with some very good teams like Cleveland twice. and had leads against solid teams like Toronto. The Sixers play hard and they’ll eventually string some wins together. I hope they finish in last, I root for the Lakers to win every night but they always disappoint.
I listen to the away broadcast, its silly that other teams expect the game to be a walkover with Philly, and then act surprised when the Sixers kill ’em down low and string together some shots. The expectations are that low, but its the NBA. The Sixers definitely have some guys on their roster who hopefully we will not see next year.
Don’t discredit McConnell. The only place I knack him is on his defense against guys that are NBA sized athletes that can take him at will. He’s still a decent defender. Going up against Russell Westbrook tomorrow, dizzam. But other than that its his vision that makes him a good player and that goes underappreciated. He makes the smart play most of the time and doesn’t take stupid risks and turn the ball over. He commands his team. I would never say "oh well McConnell is playing on the Sixers, therefore anyone can play PG in the NBA".
Covington is not to me a very good shooter. He provides some nice spacing, but I don’t think he’s a knock-down shooter or a good defender. I think he needs more work and strength. He’s just better than some of the other junk they throw out there like Sampson. Even Grant is coming through now. Grant just needs to be able to finish at the rim. If he can defend well (which he can), and finish at the rim, then he has a place on my bench next year.
Stauskas looks like a boy out there. He’s 6’6”. Man, against Jimmy Butler he just looked like a little boy. That shot needs to get more consistent just like Covington. Stauskas always makes a good play like McConnell, I just don’t trust him and his athleticism at all against 2-guards. He’s undersized on defense like McConnell is at his position.
Anyway, when they run out Okafor, Noel, Stauskas, Covington, and McConnell, they’re a pretty good team. With Marshall out there, they’ll definitely win some games. Then we won’t have to revisit this topic.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 11/12/2015 - 6:19am #1024225
SlickBouncePassParticipantThis is an aside because the topic doesn’t do much for me, I agree, even if they could beat last night’s Sixers, who cares. Yes, that Kentucky team had some nice players, and yes, the Sixers aren’t very good this year, but they’ve hung in there with some very good teams like Cleveland twice. and had leads against solid teams like Toronto. The Sixers play hard and they’ll eventually string some wins together. I hope they finish in last, I root for the Lakers to win every night but they always disappoint.
I listen to the away broadcast, its silly that other teams expect the game to be a walkover with Philly, and then act surprised when the Sixers kill ’em down low and string together some shots. The expectations are that low, but its the NBA. The Sixers definitely have some guys on their roster who hopefully we will not see next year.
Don’t discredit McConnell. The only place I knack him is on his defense against guys that are NBA sized athletes that can take him at will. He’s still a decent defender. Going up against Russell Westbrook tomorrow, dizzam. But other than that its his vision that makes him a good player and that goes underappreciated. He makes the smart play most of the time and doesn’t take stupid risks and turn the ball over. He commands his team. I would never say "oh well McConnell is playing on the Sixers, therefore anyone can play PG in the NBA".
Covington is not to me a very good shooter. He provides some nice spacing, but I don’t think he’s a knock-down shooter or a good defender. I think he needs more work and strength. He’s just better than some of the other junk they throw out there like Sampson. Even Grant is coming through now. Grant just needs to be able to finish at the rim. If he can defend well (which he can), and finish at the rim, then he has a place on my bench next year.
Stauskas looks like a boy out there. He’s 6’6”. Man, against Jimmy Butler he just looked like a little boy. That shot needs to get more consistent just like Covington. Stauskas always makes a good play like McConnell, I just don’t trust him and his athleticism at all against 2-guards. He’s undersized on defense like McConnell is at his position.
Anyway, when they run out Okafor, Noel, Stauskas, Covington, and McConnell, they’re a pretty good team. With Marshall out there, they’ll definitely win some games. Then we won’t have to revisit this topic.
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- Posted on: Thu, 11/12/2015 - 12:06am #1024174
NBAjunkie81Participantmissing Noel, Marshal, Covington was an outrageously bad team…. But I agree w/ Trelos, the per 36 stat is Very misleading…. & the way Noel & Okafor have really been just killing NBA front courts (Utah was really the only team that kept them in check)…. w/ Stauskus (who was a really good college player) & Covington at the 3 spot (very good shooter & at 6’9”) excellent defender w/ Marshal running the point – I think they beat that Kentucky team….
& I have to admit, the way Kentucky lost to Wisconsin really took away some shine…… & remember that incredibly small "Elite 8" Notre Dame team was on the verge of beating K.U……. if not for Towns rescuing them……. A Kentucky vs Duke Final would have been EPIC…. So I can’t see them beating any NBA teams & even if we say yea they would beat that terrible team Phila put on the floor tonight…. What does that really even mean….
0 - Posted on: Thu, 11/12/2015 - 1:32am #1024041
ChicagoCaseyParticipantThis is what I hate when people try to compare an college team to a professional team. People act like the players from the NBA was just scrubs in college, the players from NBA teams were great NBA players. To say that last years Kentucky team that lost to Wisconsin could beat this years Philadelphia teams is pretty insane. Kendall Marshall, Tony Wroten, Isiah Cannan and T.J McConnell were all great college point guards. Nik Stauskas won Big Ten player of the year. Robert Covington and Hollis Thompson were both great college players. And then you have both Jahlil Okafor and Nerlens Noel were both top 5 college players when they were in college respectively.
0- Posted on: Thu, 11/12/2015 - 12:49pm #1024311
SubZeroParticipantExactly. Every rotation player in the NBA was a good-great college player at one point. Everyone forgets that even though they might average 7 PPG in the league, they averaged 15 in college, and could average 20+ with their experience
0 - Posted on: Thu, 11/12/2015 - 12:49pm #1024173
SubZeroParticipantExactly. Every rotation player in the NBA was a good-great college player at one point. Everyone forgets that even though they might average 7 PPG in the league, they averaged 15 in college, and could average 20+ with their experience
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- Posted on: Thu, 11/12/2015 - 1:32am #1024178
ChicagoCaseyParticipantThis is what I hate when people try to compare an college team to a professional team. People act like the players from the NBA was just scrubs in college, the players from NBA teams were great NBA players. To say that last years Kentucky team that lost to Wisconsin could beat this years Philadelphia teams is pretty insane. Kendall Marshall, Tony Wroten, Isiah Cannan and T.J McConnell were all great college point guards. Nik Stauskas won Big Ten player of the year. Robert Covington and Hollis Thompson were both great college players. And then you have both Jahlil Okafor and Nerlens Noel were both top 5 college players when they were in college respectively.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 11/12/2015 - 4:57am #1024071
I am an idiotParticipantSince the Celtics have 8 players in this year’s draft, maybe they can suit up an all-rookie team and see how it goes. I doubt they would get them all from UK, however.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 11/12/2015 - 4:57am #1024209
I am an idiotParticipantSince the Celtics have 8 players in this year’s draft, maybe they can suit up an all-rookie team and see how it goes. I doubt they would get them all from UK, however.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 11/12/2015 - 6:13am #1024085
SubZeroParticipantI’m one of the biggest UK fans on the board, but even I know they would’ve gotten crushed by any team. If they went back to college now, they would dominate even more because they’ve had a summer of professional training. They’ve all improved a lot since they left school, so you can’t use how they are now as a comparison
0 - Posted on: Thu, 11/12/2015 - 6:13am #1024223
SubZeroParticipantI’m one of the biggest UK fans on the board, but even I know they would’ve gotten crushed by any team. If they went back to college now, they would dominate even more because they’ve had a summer of professional training. They’ve all improved a lot since they left school, so you can’t use how they are now as a comparison
0 - Posted on: Thu, 11/12/2015 - 7:29am #1024107
SkalAndJamalParticipantWhy cant they beat the nets? Hollis-Jefferson is freakin starting and he was really nothing special last year, no offensive game. And Joe Johnson sucks now, Booker could possibly win that matchup. Than you have Towns and Cauley-Stein being a better front court team than Lopez and Young. Cauley-Stein matches up pretty well with Lopez on the defensive end but while on the offensive end Young doesnt matchup well with Towns on the block.
0- Posted on: Thu, 11/12/2015 - 12:46pm #1024307
SubZeroParticipantI LOVE Towns and WCS, but saying that they’re better than Lopez and Thad is insane. In the future, yes, but when they’re still in college? Not a chance. Lopez can put up 20 on the best defensive C’s in the league, and he’d do that to the college KAT easily
0 - Posted on: Thu, 11/12/2015 - 12:46pm #1024309
SubZeroParticipantI LOVE Towns and WCS, but saying that they’re better than Lopez and Thad is insane. In the future, yes, but when they’re still in college? Not a chance. Lopez can put up 20 on the best defensive C’s in the league, and he’d do that to the college KAT easily
0 - Posted on: Thu, 11/12/2015 - 12:46pm #1024168
SubZeroParticipantI LOVE Towns and WCS, but saying that they’re better than Lopez and Thad is insane. In the future, yes, but when they’re still in college? Not a chance. Lopez can put up 20 on the best defensive C’s in the league, and he’d do that to the college KAT easily
0 - Posted on: Thu, 11/12/2015 - 12:46pm #1024171
SubZeroParticipantI LOVE Towns and WCS, but saying that they’re better than Lopez and Thad is insane. In the future, yes, but when they’re still in college? Not a chance. Lopez can put up 20 on the best defensive C’s in the league, and he’d do that to the college KAT easily
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- Posted on: Thu, 11/12/2015 - 7:29am #1024245
SkalAndJamalParticipantWhy cant they beat the nets? Hollis-Jefferson is freakin starting and he was really nothing special last year, no offensive game. And Joe Johnson sucks now, Booker could possibly win that matchup. Than you have Towns and Cauley-Stein being a better front court team than Lopez and Young. Cauley-Stein matches up pretty well with Lopez on the defensive end but while on the offensive end Young doesnt matchup well with Towns on the block.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 11/12/2015 - 9:41am #1024279
Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipantLast year’s Kentucky team would struggle to win even a few games in an NBA season. You have to remember that these are all 18-20 year old kids and they would be playing against grown men who are seasoned nba vets. The difference between college and NBA ball is monumental. Kentucky was so dominant last year because they overwhelmed college teams with their length and it was virtually impossible to score inside against them. They would not have nearly the same advantage against NBA teams. A front line of lyles, WCS, and towns would not work in the NBA. Guys like the Harrison twins, dakari Johnson and Marcus Lee are not NBA level players (at least not yet). They just wouldn’t have enough outside shooting or offensive firepower.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 11/12/2015 - 9:41am #1024140
Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipantLast year’s Kentucky team would struggle to win even a few games in an NBA season. You have to remember that these are all 18-20 year old kids and they would be playing against grown men who are seasoned nba vets. The difference between college and NBA ball is monumental. Kentucky was so dominant last year because they overwhelmed college teams with their length and it was virtually impossible to score inside against them. They would not have nearly the same advantage against NBA teams. A front line of lyles, WCS, and towns would not work in the NBA. Guys like the Harrison twins, dakari Johnson and Marcus Lee are not NBA level players (at least not yet). They just wouldn’t have enough outside shooting or offensive firepower.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 11/12/2015 - 10:35am #1024291
Magic JordanParticipantAfter evaluating everybody’s posts and thoughts on the matter, I have come to the difficult conclusion of what turns out to still be the correct answer.
We will never know……
0 - Posted on: Thu, 11/12/2015 - 10:35am #1024152
Magic JordanParticipantAfter evaluating everybody’s posts and thoughts on the matter, I have come to the difficult conclusion of what turns out to still be the correct answer.
We will never know……
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