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- Posted on: Mon, 11/09/2015 - 8:08am #61826
ballislyfe25ParticipantI was in attendance for the Lakers @ Knicks yesterday. Got cheap tickets and wanted to see Kobe’s last appearance at Madison Square Garden, along with the new/young talent on both squads.
This was one of the least asthetically pleasing sports events I have been to, from high school to professional level games. The Knicks have looked better running the triangle than last year and the Lakers are obviously terrible but the coaching and flow of the game was amongst the worst I’ve seen. No coach could make either of these teams serious title contenders but if a top 15-20 coach had control of these rosters they could potentially be 3-5 wins better and much more pleasing to watch.
The Knicks triangle offense is being run by smart players and to Derek Fisher’s (or Phil Jackon’s) credit has a few modern tweaks that have produced some really nice looks from long range. Carmelo, however, is getting the ball in pretty bad spots and forcing some terrible shots. Mike Woodson was no offensive savant but the man got Carmelo the ball in great spots, such as the block and elbow, and had him in serious MVP contention. He also used Carmelo excellently as a small-ball 4, something Fisher has rarely used.
Byron Scott looked absolutely clueless and I genuinely have no idea what his goal is on either end of the floor. One would be hard pressed to find a team that runs offense as poorly as this Scott coached Lakers team. As mentioned earlier, this team is a complete nonfactor but it would be nice to see them play to the strengths of their players, especially the young guards. D’Angelo Russell and Jordan Clarkson are really nice players but they are told to walk the ball up court, dribble aimlessly and try to use a poorly set screen from one of the Lakers bigs 10-12 seconds into the shot clock. Even with the plodding Roy Hibbert, pushing the pace, utilizing the spread pick and roll, and not being confined to the constraints of Scott’s outdated and robotic set plays would make this Lakers team much more entertaining, help to properly develop their talented youth, and even get some better looks for Kobe Bryant as he begins his farewell tour. I hope this team locks up Luke Walton to run the show once the season ends.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 11/09/2015 - 8:49am #1023349
DrivingDownTheStreetinmy64I was agreeing with everything I were saying until u mentioned hiring Walton!
0 - Posted on: Mon, 11/09/2015 - 8:49am #1023486
DrivingDownTheStreetinmy64I was agreeing with everything I were saying until u mentioned hiring Walton!
0 - Posted on: Mon, 11/09/2015 - 9:17am #1023498
Reptilian MonkParticipantLuke Walton is Zen Master 2.0. He is a psyhadelic hippie like his dad and Phil the Og Zen master
0 - Posted on: Mon, 11/09/2015 - 9:17am #1023361
Reptilian MonkParticipantLuke Walton is Zen Master 2.0. He is a psyhadelic hippie like his dad and Phil the Og Zen master
0 - Posted on: Mon, 11/09/2015 - 9:42am #1023506
Memphis MadnessParticipantWonder if the Knicks would fire Derek Fisher if they could get Luke Walton.
Probably.
I think the Knicks have more upside than the Lakers.
The Knicks have the Phil Master. They also have Porzingas who can be a really, really good player. And, Carmelo looks light years younger than Kobe, and Kobe will probably retire at the end of the season, anyway.
I think it would be easier to compete in the East than it would be out West as the coach of the Lakers.
What COULD happen is that the Lakers fire Byron Scott, then Fisher goes to the Lakers and the Knicks get Luke Walton that way.
I can see Byron Scott going to the Nets if Lionel Hollins retires/is fired. Then Lionel might be the guy Anthony Davis and the Pelicans need down in New Orleans if Monty Williams is canned. Or, Lionel Hollins goes back to Memphis, and Dave Joerger tries Joerger Ball — Bourbon St. style.
Time to fire up the ESPN Coach Trade Machine!
0 - Posted on: Mon, 11/09/2015 - 9:42am #1023369
Memphis MadnessParticipantWonder if the Knicks would fire Derek Fisher if they could get Luke Walton.
Probably.
I think the Knicks have more upside than the Lakers.
The Knicks have the Phil Master. They also have Porzingas who can be a really, really good player. And, Carmelo looks light years younger than Kobe, and Kobe will probably retire at the end of the season, anyway.
I think it would be easier to compete in the East than it would be out West as the coach of the Lakers.
What COULD happen is that the Lakers fire Byron Scott, then Fisher goes to the Lakers and the Knicks get Luke Walton that way.
I can see Byron Scott going to the Nets if Lionel Hollins retires/is fired. Then Lionel might be the guy Anthony Davis and the Pelicans need down in New Orleans if Monty Williams is canned. Or, Lionel Hollins goes back to Memphis, and Dave Joerger tries Joerger Ball — Bourbon St. style.
Time to fire up the ESPN Coach Trade Machine!
0 - Posted on: Mon, 11/09/2015 - 11:18am #1023530
Rip256Lakers should hite Patrick Ewing as coach.
I think hed be better than most expect and hes been an assistant forever.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 11/09/2015 - 11:18am #1023393
Rip256Lakers should hite Patrick Ewing as coach.
I think hed be better than most expect and hes been an assistant forever.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 11/09/2015 - 2:26pm #1023558
ExumInfernoParticipantYou got to see Porzingis, that has to make up for a game that wasn’t at a great skill or talent level.
Maybe you can rank all the young assets on the big-media city teams from what you saw. Porzingis, Russell, Randle, Grant, Clarkson, etc.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 11/09/2015 - 2:26pm #1023421
ExumInfernoParticipantYou got to see Porzingis, that has to make up for a game that wasn’t at a great skill or talent level.
Maybe you can rank all the young assets on the big-media city teams from what you saw. Porzingis, Russell, Randle, Grant, Clarkson, etc.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 11/09/2015 - 3:07pm #1023566
MopgrassParticipantScott should have 3 goals: 1) Develop Randle 2) Develop Russell 3) Develop Clarkson. Anything else is gravy. He is has embarrassingly archaic ideas, but last season, the only thing he could have achieved was developing Clarkson and he did so better than anyone could have hoped. This year he’s getting it right with Julius Randle. We’ll see about Russell. I think he’ll come around.
Byron Scott is by no means an ideal or winning coach, but his no-nonsense attitude is great for whipping guys into shape and that’s a good guy to have around young players. Oddly, I’m pretty sure he doesn’t like young players. I’m sure the brass told him he must play the top prospects.
Lastly, it looks like Scott can learn. The Lakers hired a liaison for analytics and suddenly the Lakers shoot more 3’s than most of the league.
I’m not sure if Scott is a good coach for them after this year, but I think he’s been great as a development coach.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 11/09/2015 - 3:07pm #1023429
MopgrassParticipantScott should have 3 goals: 1) Develop Randle 2) Develop Russell 3) Develop Clarkson. Anything else is gravy. He is has embarrassingly archaic ideas, but last season, the only thing he could have achieved was developing Clarkson and he did so better than anyone could have hoped. This year he’s getting it right with Julius Randle. We’ll see about Russell. I think he’ll come around.
Byron Scott is by no means an ideal or winning coach, but his no-nonsense attitude is great for whipping guys into shape and that’s a good guy to have around young players. Oddly, I’m pretty sure he doesn’t like young players. I’m sure the brass told him he must play the top prospects.
Lastly, it looks like Scott can learn. The Lakers hired a liaison for analytics and suddenly the Lakers shoot more 3’s than most of the league.
I’m not sure if Scott is a good coach for them after this year, but I think he’s been great as a development coach.
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