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- Posted on: Wed, 10/07/2015 - 3:56am #61566
valentineIf a player has US Citizenship, they shouldn’t be on the list. Tim Duncan is not an international player. An international player is somebody who wasn’t a US Citizen when they started in the NBA.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 10/07/2015 - 5:44am #1016832
ZachAttackParticipantI agree with that… Guys that are ACTUALLY international meaning played basketball outside the U.S. should be on that list. Guys like Emmanuel Mudiay and Rudy Gobert should eventually be on that list. Not Tim Duncan, as great as he is. He played in the NCAA.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 10/07/2015 - 5:44am #1016967
ZachAttackParticipantI agree with that… Guys that are ACTUALLY international meaning played basketball outside the U.S. should be on that list. Guys like Emmanuel Mudiay and Rudy Gobert should eventually be on that list. Not Tim Duncan, as great as he is. He played in the NCAA.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 10/07/2015 - 6:14am #1016852
BEARDED-DRAGONParticipanthe clearly states his qualifications for someone making the list. born outside of the united states. if you want to say that hakeem, duncan, nash arent eligible because they played college ball in the us, all i can say is… make your own list. i mean, he includes guys who spent almost thier whole lives in the us and in the us basketball system like kyrie irving and dominique wilkins. those guys i take more exception to being called international. but they werent born in the usa. so they made his list. it was a great list. personally i think nash could be slightly higher… but im in victoria.
0- Posted on: Wed, 10/07/2015 - 6:34am #1016861
GronounoursParticipantSo if he had said ‘are considered international those whose names don’t sound American’, you would find that okay?
0- Posted on: Wed, 10/07/2015 - 10:52am #1016925
BEARDED-DRAGONParticipantyes. although i dont know if i understand what an "american name" is… arent they pretty much english names? or other european names that were changed to sound more english? kobe bryant? a japanese name mixed with an english name… chandler parsons? chandler is an english name originally meaning candle maker and parsons means a priests servant… im not trying to be a dick but unless we talking native american i dont know what an american name is… but sure, if those are the guidelines i guess kareem abdul jabbar may be the best international player ever. if your guidelines are "never stepped foot on the soil of the continental united states of america until they were drafted" then you will definitely have a different list than this guy.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 10/07/2015 - 10:52am #1017061
BEARDED-DRAGONParticipantyes. although i dont know if i understand what an "american name" is… arent they pretty much english names? or other european names that were changed to sound more english? kobe bryant? a japanese name mixed with an english name… chandler parsons? chandler is an english name originally meaning candle maker and parsons means a priests servant… im not trying to be a dick but unless we talking native american i dont know what an american name is… but sure, if those are the guidelines i guess kareem abdul jabbar may be the best international player ever. if your guidelines are "never stepped foot on the soil of the continental united states of america until they were drafted" then you will definitely have a different list than this guy.
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- Posted on: Wed, 10/07/2015 - 6:34am #1016997
GronounoursParticipantSo if he had said ‘are considered international those whose names don’t sound American’, you would find that okay?
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- Posted on: Wed, 10/07/2015 - 6:14am #1016987
BEARDED-DRAGONParticipanthe clearly states his qualifications for someone making the list. born outside of the united states. if you want to say that hakeem, duncan, nash arent eligible because they played college ball in the us, all i can say is… make your own list. i mean, he includes guys who spent almost thier whole lives in the us and in the us basketball system like kyrie irving and dominique wilkins. those guys i take more exception to being called international. but they werent born in the usa. so they made his list. it was a great list. personally i think nash could be slightly higher… but im in victoria.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 10/07/2015 - 6:30am #1016859
GronounoursParticipantIt doesn’t make sense at all. Wilkins and Vanderweghe are ‘international’ because they were born in France and Germany… So Parker should be listed as Belgian, as he was born in Belgium.
Laughable, really.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 10/07/2015 - 6:30am #1016995
GronounoursParticipantIt doesn’t make sense at all. Wilkins and Vanderweghe are ‘international’ because they were born in France and Germany… So Parker should be listed as Belgian, as he was born in Belgium.
Laughable, really.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 10/07/2015 - 9:48am #1016907
ChoppyParticipantIt said Nash was born in South Africa, but listed him as Canadian. Luol Deng plays for England at the national level, but they listed him by his birth country, Sudan.
Also, I, I don’t think you can leave internationals off this list who play NCAA ball, as it is a much more recognised route to the NBA for internationals. Look at Ben Simmons. He’s international (Australia) but will be playing college ball this year.
0- Posted on: Wed, 10/07/2015 - 11:20pm #1017184
XYRYXParticipantI think there is a difference between international prospects or players an foreign players. Jennings was an international player in his year in Italy but was no foreigner.
Then you have guys like Duncan or Kyrie who were born outside the US but have the citizenship.
in the end players should be viewed as where they play (NCAA or somewhere else) because the only difference is mainly the media coverage and where they are developing their games.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 10/07/2015 - 11:20pm #1017048
XYRYXParticipantI think there is a difference between international prospects or players an foreign players. Jennings was an international player in his year in Italy but was no foreigner.
Then you have guys like Duncan or Kyrie who were born outside the US but have the citizenship.
in the end players should be viewed as where they play (NCAA or somewhere else) because the only difference is mainly the media coverage and where they are developing their games.
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- Posted on: Wed, 10/07/2015 - 9:48am #1017043
ChoppyParticipantIt said Nash was born in South Africa, but listed him as Canadian. Luol Deng plays for England at the national level, but they listed him by his birth country, Sudan.
Also, I, I don’t think you can leave internationals off this list who play NCAA ball, as it is a much more recognised route to the NBA for internationals. Look at Ben Simmons. He’s international (Australia) but will be playing college ball this year.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 10/07/2015 - 9:03pm #1017174
Mr. HookShotParticipantInternational players are players who played international for any team other than USA, with the exception of players born in the USA but switched to another nationality in order to play internationally (e.g. Kaman).
0 - Posted on: Wed, 10/07/2015 - 9:03pm #1017039
Mr. HookShotParticipantInternational players are players who played international for any team other than USA, with the exception of players born in the USA but switched to another nationality in order to play internationally (e.g. Kaman).
0 - Posted on: Thu, 10/08/2015 - 1:17am #1017192
CynthiaParticipantIt’s hard to say who’s international and who’s not, it can be very subjective. Myself for example; I was born in Europe and came to the United States at a fairly young age. I’ve been in the US well over half of my life, I don’t even hardly remember living in Europe at all. I’ve been here so long I’ve always considered myself as an American rather than a European. However, regardless of living here most of my life I still had to get my US citizenship once I turned 18. So it’s kind of an odd situation, legally though I am in fact an "international".
0 - Posted on: Thu, 10/08/2015 - 1:17am #1017056
CynthiaParticipantIt’s hard to say who’s international and who’s not, it can be very subjective. Myself for example; I was born in Europe and came to the United States at a fairly young age. I’ve been in the US well over half of my life, I don’t even hardly remember living in Europe at all. I’ve been here so long I’ve always considered myself as an American rather than a European. However, regardless of living here most of my life I still had to get my US citizenship once I turned 18. So it’s kind of an odd situation, legally though I am in fact an "international".
0 - Posted on: Thu, 10/08/2015 - 1:30am #1017194
Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipantPlayers who were raised and learned the game primarily in the US (i.e kyrie, boozer, Ewing) should not be considered international players imo. Virgin islands are technically part of the US so its hard for me to consider Duncan international as well.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 10/08/2015 - 1:30am #1017058
Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipantPlayers who were raised and learned the game primarily in the US (i.e kyrie, boozer, Ewing) should not be considered international players imo. Virgin islands are technically part of the US so its hard for me to consider Duncan international as well.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 10/08/2015 - 1:30am #1017196
Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipantPlayers who were raised and learned the game primarily in the US (i.e kyrie, boozer, Ewing) should not be considered international players imo. Virgin islands are technically part of the US so its hard for me to consider Duncan international as well.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 10/08/2015 - 1:30am #1017060
Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipantPlayers who were raised and learned the game primarily in the US (i.e kyrie, boozer, Ewing) should not be considered international players imo. Virgin islands are technically part of the US so its hard for me to consider Duncan international as well.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 10/08/2015 - 5:43am #1017218
jaycee24ParticipantIf you can play for team USA you aren’t international that’s my opinion
0 - Posted on: Thu, 10/08/2015 - 5:43am #1017082
jaycee24ParticipantIf you can play for team USA you aren’t international that’s my opinion
0- Posted on: Mon, 10/19/2015 - 11:34am #1019176
European BasketballerParticipantWrong. Team USA has used many naturalized players over the years. They are in the very top of all teams in the world in doing so.
That means every player in the world is eligible to play for Team USA, because that is how the naturalized player rule works.
Any player can play for Team USA, because they allow naturalized players.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 10/19/2015 - 11:34am #1019035
European BasketballerParticipantWrong. Team USA has used many naturalized players over the years. They are in the very top of all teams in the world in doing so.
That means every player in the world is eligible to play for Team USA, because that is how the naturalized player rule works.
Any player can play for Team USA, because they allow naturalized players.
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- Posted on: Thu, 10/08/2015 - 11:06am #1017104
Rip256The simplest way is to just ask someone what nationality they identify themselves as.
0- Posted on: Mon, 10/19/2015 - 11:38am #1019178
European BasketballerParticipantBut Seikaly and Peja both state over and over they identify themselves as Greeks, and yet no one in former Yugolsavia, and no NBA only fans will ever admit that as truth.
I never seen anyone from NBA only fans or ex Yugo country to admit that. Same with Lebanonese, as they all claim it is not true either.
The players identify as Greek, but millions of people claim they don’t.
You can’t ever mention in any basketball forum the truth that both Seikaly and Peja consider themselves Greek, without having dozens of people claim that is a lie. Even though they both claimed many many times they consider themselves Greek.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 10/19/2015 - 11:38am #1019037
European BasketballerParticipantBut Seikaly and Peja both state over and over they identify themselves as Greeks, and yet no one in former Yugolsavia, and no NBA only fans will ever admit that as truth.
I never seen anyone from NBA only fans or ex Yugo country to admit that. Same with Lebanonese, as they all claim it is not true either.
The players identify as Greek, but millions of people claim they don’t.
You can’t ever mention in any basketball forum the truth that both Seikaly and Peja consider themselves Greek, without having dozens of people claim that is a lie. Even though they both claimed many many times they consider themselves Greek.
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- Posted on: Thu, 10/08/2015 - 11:06am #1017240
Rip256The simplest way is to just ask someone what nationality they identify themselves as.
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