This topic contains 66 replies, has 13 voices, and was last updated by 
- AuthorPosts
- Posted on: Sat, 09/26/2015 - 10:33pm #61502
valentineWestbrook first three seasons, points per 36 minutes:
16.9, 16.9, 22.7
IT4
16.3, 18.7, 22.1
Year four, Westbrook scored 24.1 pp36. In Boston, IT4 scored 26.4 pp36.
In Phoenix, in an overcrowded backcourt, IT4s pp36 was 21, which brings his year four season average down to 23.
Westbrook has only averaged more than 26 pp36 once in his career, this past year (29).
Isaiah has just as much quickness and explosiveness as Westbrook, but he might be even more skilled offensively because he has a sweet 3 point shot. Westbrook doesn’t even dare to take them most of the time.
Even if IT4 continues to come off the bench, he can have a Westbrookian impact, though perhaps in a few less minutes per game.
I remember last year, all of a sudden Goran Dragic was an accepted star and everybody knew it.
Don’t act like you didn’t see IT4 coming. This dude’s going to sell sneakers like Chris Paul sells insurance.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 09/26/2015 - 11:43pm #1015399
ZouldiersParticipantHere we go again. I actually like Isaiah Thomas but should he become an all star first or make the all nba team before we consider him a star. Speaking of Dragic, he actually lead the Suns to a 48-34 record with Eric Bledsoe out the majority of the season. There is a reason why people consider him a star and he validated that with an all-nba 3rd team that same season. If Isaiah Thomas can do that your Celtics then good for him.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 09/26/2015 - 11:43pm #1015263
ZouldiersParticipantHere we go again. I actually like Isaiah Thomas but should he become an all star first or make the all nba team before we consider him a star. Speaking of Dragic, he actually lead the Suns to a 48-34 record with Eric Bledsoe out the majority of the season. There is a reason why people consider him a star and he validated that with an all-nba 3rd team that same season. If Isaiah Thomas can do that your Celtics then good for him.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 09/27/2015 - 12:12am #1015401
T RexIsaiah spent the summer working on his one-legged floaters, Steven Nash style, all the way out to the 3 point line.
Smart/Thomas/Rozier has got to be the best trio of point guards in the NBA. A lot of teams have Austin Rivers level guys backing up their starter.
All three of these guys are like variations of Russell Westbrook. Super-sized, mini-me, and Westbrook light in Rozier.
Danny Ainge knows the importance of a scoring mentality in point guards.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 09/27/2015 - 12:12am #1015265
T RexIsaiah spent the summer working on his one-legged floaters, Steven Nash style, all the way out to the 3 point line.
Smart/Thomas/Rozier has got to be the best trio of point guards in the NBA. A lot of teams have Austin Rivers level guys backing up their starter.
All three of these guys are like variations of Russell Westbrook. Super-sized, mini-me, and Westbrook light in Rozier.
Danny Ainge knows the importance of a scoring mentality in point guards.
0- Posted on: Sun, 09/27/2015 - 11:04pm #1015386
oogellsParticipantFloaters out to the 3 point line? Try it some time. Sounds fun. Like when you press the wrong button on 2K
0- Posted on: Mon, 09/28/2015 - 4:49am #1015412
T RexThey’re not that difficult with practice, for guys who are already good 3 point shooters.
A couple summers ago I would do a little workout where I’d go up and down the court taking floaters from the top of the key (high school 3 point line), and my second or third time doing the drill I made 4 straight 3 pointer one legged floaters.
I suspect IT4 will stick to the Steve Nash distance of 15-17 feet and in, but working on the shot from longer distance will only help him inside of 17 feet.
And when the clock is expiring, Steph Curry is pretty good with one legged floaters out to half court and beyond, so IT4 and anybody else would be wise to have some range on that shot. It comes in handy.
And as far as distance out to the 3 point line, one advantage of the shot is you can take off from behind the line and actually shoot the all from 2-4 feet inside the 3 point line. It’s not the highest % shot, but as long as you’re not coming off a curl or something, it’s not that hard.
So again, I expect IT4 to mostly use it within 17 feet, but I expect it to take his game to the next level.
0- Posted on: Mon, 09/28/2015 - 9:56am #1015612
oogellsParticipantIt is that hard, in the NBA, to shoot a 1 legged floater from 3. If it was that easy J.R Smith would be throwing them up left and right. Running around a gym by yourself is different then the NBA. I can sometimes make hook shots from 3, why don’t pro players do this its unblockable?!?! You clearly know basketball, but you spouting complete nonsense makes people not even read your posts that are knowledgeable. This topic is a perfect example. Lots of good stuff about IT4, and some ridiculousness.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 09/28/2015 - 9:56am #1015476
oogellsParticipantIt is that hard, in the NBA, to shoot a 1 legged floater from 3. If it was that easy J.R Smith would be throwing them up left and right. Running around a gym by yourself is different then the NBA. I can sometimes make hook shots from 3, why don’t pro players do this its unblockable?!?! You clearly know basketball, but you spouting complete nonsense makes people not even read your posts that are knowledgeable. This topic is a perfect example. Lots of good stuff about IT4, and some ridiculousness.
0- Posted on: Mon, 09/28/2015 - 10:10am #1015618
T RexYou don’t think Curry could knock down one leggers from 3 with regularity? Or Nash? Or even IT4?
The only real difficulty for those guys would would be trying to do it with horizontal motion involved. But just dribbling up the court and firing, with shoulders square to the hoop, is very easy for guys like Curry and Nash, and IT4 as well.
It’d still be a lower % shot than a regular 3 for those guys, but with a little practice, when used selectively, and in rythmn, it’s a very makable shot for those guys, even in games.
I bet on Curry’s 2014-15 highlight reel there’s at least 2-3 examples of one legged 3s.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 09/28/2015 - 10:10am #1015482
T RexYou don’t think Curry could knock down one leggers from 3 with regularity? Or Nash? Or even IT4?
The only real difficulty for those guys would would be trying to do it with horizontal motion involved. But just dribbling up the court and firing, with shoulders square to the hoop, is very easy for guys like Curry and Nash, and IT4 as well.
It’d still be a lower % shot than a regular 3 for those guys, but with a little practice, when used selectively, and in rythmn, it’s a very makable shot for those guys, even in games.
I bet on Curry’s 2014-15 highlight reel there’s at least 2-3 examples of one legged 3s.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 09/28/2015 - 10:14am #1015622
T RexHere you go, Curry even added the horizontal motion. If he can make that in a game, he can knock them down with his shoulders square, and forward momentum, all day long.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 09/28/2015 - 10:14am #1015486
T RexHere you go, Curry even added the horizontal motion. If he can make that in a game, he can knock them down with his shoulders square, and forward momentum, all day long.
0- Posted on: Mon, 09/28/2015 - 11:55am #1015638
oogellsParticipantThat is not a floater. As you said that’s a 1 legged 3 pointer, ridic difficult, only player that even trys to take them without shot clock winding down. No one has ever, and can’t now, hit that shot with regularity. Ever. So for you to say IT4 can just add a shot in the offseason is ludicris. There is a difference between a floater and a 1 legged shot. Ask Dirk. A floater is a flick, a 1 footed 3 is different, and something nba players try sometimes and mostly fail. If Curry took that same shot inside the key, that is called a pull up jumper. Nice try, move on, you are wrong. Next time you go to the gym and tear it up, try a layup floater, then do same thing from 3. Waaayyy different. Pull up jumper and floater is different.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 09/28/2015 - 11:55am #1015502
oogellsParticipantThat is not a floater. As you said that’s a 1 legged 3 pointer, ridic difficult, only player that even trys to take them without shot clock winding down. No one has ever, and can’t now, hit that shot with regularity. Ever. So for you to say IT4 can just add a shot in the offseason is ludicris. There is a difference between a floater and a 1 legged shot. Ask Dirk. A floater is a flick, a 1 footed 3 is different, and something nba players try sometimes and mostly fail. If Curry took that same shot inside the key, that is called a pull up jumper. Nice try, move on, you are wrong. Next time you go to the gym and tear it up, try a layup floater, then do same thing from 3. Waaayyy different. Pull up jumper and floater is different.
0- Posted on: Mon, 09/28/2015 - 1:11pm #1015655
T RexLike I said, in no time I was making 4 high school 3 point one legged jumpers in a row, running up and down the court.
You just saw Curry do it while not even square to the basket.
For guys who are small, super-coordinated, and have a compact shooting form, like Nash, Curry, and IT4, it’s a whole lot easier to get the hang of with practice than say a Bobby Portis to get good at it.
If I didn’t just show you a video of Curry doing exactly what IT4 spent the summer working on, you would say Curry never did it in a game, and you would declare that it was stupid to say it did happen.
Now you say IT4 couldn’t possibly add that shot to his arsenal as a bailout shot at least.
I can even tell you’re not very coordinated, and that it frustrates you to the point of lashing out.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 09/28/2015 - 1:11pm #1015520
T RexLike I said, in no time I was making 4 high school 3 point one legged jumpers in a row, running up and down the court.
You just saw Curry do it while not even square to the basket.
For guys who are small, super-coordinated, and have a compact shooting form, like Nash, Curry, and IT4, it’s a whole lot easier to get the hang of with practice than say a Bobby Portis to get good at it.
If I didn’t just show you a video of Curry doing exactly what IT4 spent the summer working on, you would say Curry never did it in a game, and you would declare that it was stupid to say it did happen.
Now you say IT4 couldn’t possibly add that shot to his arsenal as a bailout shot at least.
I can even tell you’re not very coordinated, and that it frustrates you to the point of lashing out.
0- Posted on: Mon, 09/28/2015 - 2:17pm #1015669
oogellsParticipantYou are trying to change what you said. FLOATERS. Do whatever you want with 1 leg. FLOATERS are not attempted from 3. Ever unless its end of half with someone right in your face, and ever then most of the time the shooter will follow through, instead of hand and ball going straight up, making it a pull up jump shot. It is possible to be wrong. I am all the time. Move on. You can tell I am not co-ordinated? Weird considering my current profession, not that you’d believe if I told you. Look at D Rose throw up floaters, where his hand and the ball are going straight up, not following through, getting the ball up and over the defender and getting a quicker release. The video you showed is a Dirk style pull up jumper. Very different. You, I can tell, have never played anything above random high school ball. Yes, players shoot off of 1 foot everywhere. Have been for a long time. This does not make it a floater.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 09/28/2015 - 2:17pm #1015534
oogellsParticipantYou are trying to change what you said. FLOATERS. Do whatever you want with 1 leg. FLOATERS are not attempted from 3. Ever unless its end of half with someone right in your face, and ever then most of the time the shooter will follow through, instead of hand and ball going straight up, making it a pull up jump shot. It is possible to be wrong. I am all the time. Move on. You can tell I am not co-ordinated? Weird considering my current profession, not that you’d believe if I told you. Look at D Rose throw up floaters, where his hand and the ball are going straight up, not following through, getting the ball up and over the defender and getting a quicker release. The video you showed is a Dirk style pull up jumper. Very different. You, I can tell, have never played anything above random high school ball. Yes, players shoot off of 1 foot everywhere. Have been for a long time. This does not make it a floater.
0- Posted on: Mon, 09/28/2015 - 3:16pm #1015675
T Rex“As you said that’s a 1 legged 3 pointer, ridic difficult, only player that even trys to take them without shot clock winding down. No one has ever, and can’t now, hit that shot with regularity. Ever. So for you to say IT4 can just add a shot in the offseason is ludicris.”
terminology quibble aside, you say nobody can hit that one legged running jump shot with regularity, and I beg to differ.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 09/28/2015 - 3:16pm #1015540
T Rex“As you said that’s a 1 legged 3 pointer, ridic difficult, only player that even trys to take them without shot clock winding down. No one has ever, and can’t now, hit that shot with regularity. Ever. So for you to say IT4 can just add a shot in the offseason is ludicris.”
terminology quibble aside, you say nobody can hit that one legged running jump shot with regularity, and I beg to differ.
0
- Posted on: Mon, 09/28/2015 - 4:49am #1015547
T RexThey’re not that difficult with practice, for guys who are already good 3 point shooters.
A couple summers ago I would do a little workout where I’d go up and down the court taking floaters from the top of the key (high school 3 point line), and my second or third time doing the drill I made 4 straight 3 pointer one legged floaters.
I suspect IT4 will stick to the Steve Nash distance of 15-17 feet and in, but working on the shot from longer distance will only help him inside of 17 feet.
And when the clock is expiring, Steph Curry is pretty good with one legged floaters out to half court and beyond, so IT4 and anybody else would be wise to have some range on that shot. It comes in handy.
And as far as distance out to the 3 point line, one advantage of the shot is you can take off from behind the line and actually shoot the all from 2-4 feet inside the 3 point line. It’s not the highest % shot, but as long as you’re not coming off a curl or something, it’s not that hard.
So again, I expect IT4 to mostly use it within 17 feet, but I expect it to take his game to the next level.
0
- Posted on: Sun, 09/27/2015 - 11:04pm #1015521
oogellsParticipantFloaters out to the 3 point line? Try it some time. Sounds fun. Like when you press the wrong button on 2K
0
- Posted on: Sun, 09/27/2015 - 2:42am #1015403
BostonCs FanParticipantIsaiah can sure score and keep up with the best of them no doubt. Boston has the best arsenal of guards in the league and they play on both ends of the court. Not to mention that our guards are still young and tapped with potential. Isaiah led the Celtics to a 24-11 record post all star break and has certainly post all star numbers 24.4 ppg and 4.5 assist. Unfortunately in this league players that come off the bench don’t get as much recognition as they should, had that not be the case he would of been at least an all NBA third team candidate.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 09/27/2015 - 2:42am #1015267
BostonCs FanParticipantIsaiah can sure score and keep up with the best of them no doubt. Boston has the best arsenal of guards in the league and they play on both ends of the court. Not to mention that our guards are still young and tapped with potential. Isaiah led the Celtics to a 24-11 record post all star break and has certainly post all star numbers 24.4 ppg and 4.5 assist. Unfortunately in this league players that come off the bench don’t get as much recognition as they should, had that not be the case he would of been at least an all NBA third team candidate.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 09/27/2015 - 3:03am #1015407
Jr. ROXASParticipant"This dude’s gonna sell sneakers like Chris Paul sells insurance." Yea right, for what company Spalding or something? lol.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 09/27/2015 - 3:03am #1015271
Jr. ROXASParticipant"This dude’s gonna sell sneakers like Chris Paul sells insurance." Yea right, for what company Spalding or something? lol.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 09/27/2015 - 7:08am #1015425
DrivingDownTheStreetinmy64He is Todd shaw..He can’t defend ..and He ain’t even ranked among the league’s top 25 pgs….
0 - Posted on: Sun, 09/27/2015 - 7:08am #1015289
DrivingDownTheStreetinmy64He is Todd shaw..He can’t defend ..and He ain’t even ranked among the league’s top 25 pgs….
0 - Posted on: Sun, 09/27/2015 - 5:02pm #1015333
PulseGlazerParticipantThere’s so much more to being a good player than scoring. IT is a very good bench player who really fits what the Celtics do? Is he a top 10 player like Westbrook? No. But he’s very good for what he is and what he does. Why isn’t that enough?
0- Posted on: Sun, 09/27/2015 - 6:17pm #1015353
T RexHe could probably average 23 this year off the bench, on way better efficiency than Westbrook, as usual.
That’s pretty much a slightly poor man’s Russell "I only take 2s, and I miss most of them" Westbrook.
Westbrook doesn’t have the 3 point shot to be an mvp, just as IT4 doesn’t have the defense.
Two peas in a pod, lol.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 09/27/2015 - 6:17pm #1015489
T RexHe could probably average 23 this year off the bench, on way better efficiency than Westbrook, as usual.
That’s pretty much a slightly poor man’s Russell "I only take 2s, and I miss most of them" Westbrook.
Westbrook doesn’t have the 3 point shot to be an mvp, just as IT4 doesn’t have the defense.
Two peas in a pod, lol.
0
- Posted on: Sun, 09/27/2015 - 5:02pm #1015470
PulseGlazerParticipantThere’s so much more to being a good player than scoring. IT is a very good bench player who really fits what the Celtics do? Is he a top 10 player like Westbrook? No. But he’s very good for what he is and what he does. Why isn’t that enough?
0 - Posted on: Sun, 09/27/2015 - 6:26pm #1015359
he_gets_bucketsParticipantHe may shoot better than Westbrook but that’s it. Theyre both ball stoppers, but Westbrook is a better facilitator(Westbrook career 7.1 apg > Thomas’ 4.7), Westbrook is a much better rebounder, both due to size and ability(Westbrook career 5.2 > Thomas 2.4) and while I think Westbrook is overrated defensively as he takes a lot of gambles and in general can play out of control, he is in another league to Thomas defensively. Thomas may score at a similar level to Westbrook, and is clearly a better shooter, but he is no where near the complete package of a player Westbrook is
0- Posted on: Sun, 09/27/2015 - 6:45pm #1015364
T RexAgreed, but it’s pretty sweet picking up a "poor" man’s Westbrook in a trade for a future late first round pick.
And I’ll tell you something: Hero ball for 29 minutes a game has major advantages over one guy playing hero ball for 35+ minutes per game. At some point you need to get the rest of the team involved. So having Thomas coming off the bench, after team ball has been established, has major advantages over Westbrook never allowing his teammates to get in a rythmn. And when Westbrook is off, a lot of times the whole team is off, but when IT4 is off, it doesn’t rock the boat much, and other guys, like starters, might already be on a roll.
IT4 made the playoffs. Westbrook and his hero ball came up short.
And with Durant coming back, it’s not like Westbrook can be effective playing off the ball, like IT4 can with his 3 point shot.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 09/27/2015 - 6:45pm #1015499
T RexAgreed, but it’s pretty sweet picking up a "poor" man’s Westbrook in a trade for a future late first round pick.
And I’ll tell you something: Hero ball for 29 minutes a game has major advantages over one guy playing hero ball for 35+ minutes per game. At some point you need to get the rest of the team involved. So having Thomas coming off the bench, after team ball has been established, has major advantages over Westbrook never allowing his teammates to get in a rythmn. And when Westbrook is off, a lot of times the whole team is off, but when IT4 is off, it doesn’t rock the boat much, and other guys, like starters, might already be on a roll.
IT4 made the playoffs. Westbrook and his hero ball came up short.
And with Durant coming back, it’s not like Westbrook can be effective playing off the ball, like IT4 can with his 3 point shot.
0
- Posted on: Sun, 09/27/2015 - 6:26pm #1015495
he_gets_bucketsParticipantHe may shoot better than Westbrook but that’s it. Theyre both ball stoppers, but Westbrook is a better facilitator(Westbrook career 7.1 apg > Thomas’ 4.7), Westbrook is a much better rebounder, both due to size and ability(Westbrook career 5.2 > Thomas 2.4) and while I think Westbrook is overrated defensively as he takes a lot of gambles and in general can play out of control, he is in another league to Thomas defensively. Thomas may score at a similar level to Westbrook, and is clearly a better shooter, but he is no where near the complete package of a player Westbrook is
0 - Posted on: Sun, 09/27/2015 - 11:46pm #1015398
Mr. HookShotParticipantPutting down some slightly similar numbers and saying Player A is the new Player B (Westbrook) doesn’t give them the same trajectory. Westbrook plays a game based on athleticism and explosiveness, which he uses to get to the rim. He can really neutralize players with his D as he is big, strong and fast, allowing him to get easy buckets on the other end. Thomas on the other end is quick, small, and uses his outside shot to set up his game. Like with most posts you really over-value Celtics players, labelling them as new stars in the league when clearly the Celtics have no player who will be a top 10 player in the league ever in their career… if it happens, let me know and please cite this post than I will give you some positives in return, but until then please come up with more realistic projections for any player wearing Boston green.
0- Posted on: Mon, 09/28/2015 - 4:58am #1015414
T RexEverybody here knew implicitly that I wasn’t literally comparing every aspect of IT4’s game to Westbrook.
I was looking specifically at points per 36 minutes, knowing that IT4 is unlikely to ever log as many minutes as Westbrook to put up the same ppg.
And if 21-23 efficient points off the bench or in limited minutes as starter doesn’t seem like star material to you, then you can go ride a horse.
You act like their scoring games are sooooo different. As if "explosiveness" and "quickness" are two completely different things. As if Westbrook isn’t quick, and doesn’t rely on it all the time.
And as far as explosiveness, it wasn’t Westbrook who recorded the 40" vert at the combine, it was Isaiah Thomas.
And if IT4’s 40" vert doesn’t strike you as explosive, again, go ride a horse.
Talk about trying to hard.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 09/28/2015 - 4:58am #1015549
T RexEverybody here knew implicitly that I wasn’t literally comparing every aspect of IT4’s game to Westbrook.
I was looking specifically at points per 36 minutes, knowing that IT4 is unlikely to ever log as many minutes as Westbrook to put up the same ppg.
And if 21-23 efficient points off the bench or in limited minutes as starter doesn’t seem like star material to you, then you can go ride a horse.
You act like their scoring games are sooooo different. As if "explosiveness" and "quickness" are two completely different things. As if Westbrook isn’t quick, and doesn’t rely on it all the time.
And as far as explosiveness, it wasn’t Westbrook who recorded the 40" vert at the combine, it was Isaiah Thomas.
And if IT4’s 40" vert doesn’t strike you as explosive, again, go ride a horse.
Talk about trying to hard.
0
- Posted on: Sun, 09/27/2015 - 11:46pm #1015533
Mr. HookShotParticipantPutting down some slightly similar numbers and saying Player A is the new Player B (Westbrook) doesn’t give them the same trajectory. Westbrook plays a game based on athleticism and explosiveness, which he uses to get to the rim. He can really neutralize players with his D as he is big, strong and fast, allowing him to get easy buckets on the other end. Thomas on the other end is quick, small, and uses his outside shot to set up his game. Like with most posts you really over-value Celtics players, labelling them as new stars in the league when clearly the Celtics have no player who will be a top 10 player in the league ever in their career… if it happens, let me know and please cite this post than I will give you some positives in return, but until then please come up with more realistic projections for any player wearing Boston green.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 09/28/2015 - 5:10am #1015557
thaprodigyParticipant"..he has a sweet 3 point shot. Westbrook doesn’t even dare to take them most of the time." …lololol, you must not watch Russ enough.
"IT4 made the playoffs. Westbrook and his hero ball came up short." … but has he dropped 43 in an NBA Finals game?
0 - Posted on: Mon, 09/28/2015 - 5:10am #1015422
thaprodigyParticipant"..he has a sweet 3 point shot. Westbrook doesn’t even dare to take them most of the time." …lololol, you must not watch Russ enough.
"IT4 made the playoffs. Westbrook and his hero ball came up short." … but has he dropped 43 in an NBA Finals game?
0- Posted on: Mon, 09/28/2015 - 5:23am #1015563
T RexYou know if Westbrook was a little better at making his teammates better, they would have made the playoffs last year.
Rondo has a 40-something point playoff game under his belt and he basically cancered the Mavs out of the playoffs.
Westbrook and Durant are great scorers, but do they make their teammates better?
OKC basically chose Perk over Harden, and I don’t remember Durant or Westbrook lobbying hard to keep Harden, who they probably viewed as competition for their shots and "legacy".
IT4 is a gunner like Westbrook, but having his minutes limited actually helps his teammates get involved, feel invested, and get their confidence going.
Standing around watching Westbrook and Durant hog the shots doesn’t make anybody better.
The Clippers would probably be better if CP3 had found a way to co-exist with Eric Bledsoe, but that would have required playing off the ball some, which CP3 didn’t want to do.
Harden and Dwight are going to have to play without the ball more this year, and if they don’t respond well to sharing with Lawson, that team will underperform.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 09/28/2015 - 5:23am #1015428
T RexYou know if Westbrook was a little better at making his teammates better, they would have made the playoffs last year.
Rondo has a 40-something point playoff game under his belt and he basically cancered the Mavs out of the playoffs.
Westbrook and Durant are great scorers, but do they make their teammates better?
OKC basically chose Perk over Harden, and I don’t remember Durant or Westbrook lobbying hard to keep Harden, who they probably viewed as competition for their shots and "legacy".
IT4 is a gunner like Westbrook, but having his minutes limited actually helps his teammates get involved, feel invested, and get their confidence going.
Standing around watching Westbrook and Durant hog the shots doesn’t make anybody better.
The Clippers would probably be better if CP3 had found a way to co-exist with Eric Bledsoe, but that would have required playing off the ball some, which CP3 didn’t want to do.
Harden and Dwight are going to have to play without the ball more this year, and if they don’t respond well to sharing with Lawson, that team will underperform.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 09/28/2015 - 5:27am #1015565
T Rex49% of IT4’s shots were 3 pointers last year in Boston. 29.9% of Westbrook’s shots were 3s. Still a lot, considering he chucked 22 fgas per game.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 09/28/2015 - 5:27am #1015430
T Rex49% of IT4’s shots were 3 pointers last year in Boston. 29.9% of Westbrook’s shots were 3s. Still a lot, considering he chucked 22 fgas per game.
0
- Posted on: Mon, 09/28/2015 - 8:11am #1015599
NBAjunkie81Participantby trading for Isaiah Thomas & Jae Crowder – I don;t have any issue with either guy, they are both good players… but Boston had just drafted Marcus Smart – an oustanding prospect – in the 2014 Lottery & they were on track to miss the playoffs & acquire another Lotteyr pick…
We all know the NBA is a different animal & that teams can become trapped in the quicksand of a middling team… Golden State & OKC were both Awful 5 – 7 years ago & now both have Excellenet young teams… It’s not a fool proof plan, Portland – after acquiring Aldridge, Brandon Roy & Greg Oden in the 2006 & 2007 Drafts looked like a potential "future" champion until disastrous injuries struck…
This is why the Celtics offered Phila – Smart, James Young & Six 1st round pick (their 2 first rounders in 2015 & all 4 first rounders in 2016) for Nerlens Noel & the #3 pick (before they even knew it would be Okafor)….
I don’t want to knock the Celtics (or any pro franchise) who am I? just some guy – but if I was a fan, I think I’d prefer that they acquired even more prospects instead of Crowder & Thomas just so they could play 4 extra games & get swept by Cleveland… Wouldn’t you rather Winslow or WCS or Stanley Johnson on your roster right now instead of Another PG??? Then lose again this year & you guys would have multiple Lottery picks probably…
I know it would take about 5 years, but the 2020’s could have been 1980’s revisited with Phila & Boston as Eastern Conference powers…. Wouldn’t you rather have that then become a #7 – #10 seed for the next decade???
0 - Posted on: Mon, 09/28/2015 - 8:11am #1015463
NBAjunkie81Participantby trading for Isaiah Thomas & Jae Crowder – I don;t have any issue with either guy, they are both good players… but Boston had just drafted Marcus Smart – an oustanding prospect – in the 2014 Lottery & they were on track to miss the playoffs & acquire another Lotteyr pick…
We all know the NBA is a different animal & that teams can become trapped in the quicksand of a middling team… Golden State & OKC were both Awful 5 – 7 years ago & now both have Excellenet young teams… It’s not a fool proof plan, Portland – after acquiring Aldridge, Brandon Roy & Greg Oden in the 2006 & 2007 Drafts looked like a potential "future" champion until disastrous injuries struck…
This is why the Celtics offered Phila – Smart, James Young & Six 1st round pick (their 2 first rounders in 2015 & all 4 first rounders in 2016) for Nerlens Noel & the #3 pick (before they even knew it would be Okafor)….
I don’t want to knock the Celtics (or any pro franchise) who am I? just some guy – but if I was a fan, I think I’d prefer that they acquired even more prospects instead of Crowder & Thomas just so they could play 4 extra games & get swept by Cleveland… Wouldn’t you rather Winslow or WCS or Stanley Johnson on your roster right now instead of Another PG??? Then lose again this year & you guys would have multiple Lottery picks probably…
I know it would take about 5 years, but the 2020’s could have been 1980’s revisited with Phila & Boston as Eastern Conference powers…. Wouldn’t you rather have that then become a #7 – #10 seed for the next decade???
0- Posted on: Mon, 09/28/2015 - 8:28am #1015601
T RexWho are you? Good question. You arbitrarily declare that the Celtics are stuck as a middling team because they added good cheap players and got way way better.
But you say they are stuck in the middle, without thinking for even two seconds before saying it.
THE CELTICS HAVE THE NETS’ NEXT THREE FIRST ROUND PICKS, UNPROTECTED.
In addition to a boatload of other first round picks, including the Mavs pick this year.
The Celtics are one of the youngest teams in the NBA, have tons of good talent, have a low payroll with maximum cap flexibility going forward, and they have 2-4 first round picks for each of the next 4 years.
Stuck in the middle? Why don’t you think for two seconds before making such declarations?
Stuck in the middle means no cap space, big undesirable contracts, older players with limited growth potential, and blowing all your future first rounders like the Nets did.
Every time a team gets better, everybody wants to talk about how they’re stuck in the middle, without two seconds thought.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 09/28/2015 - 8:28am #1015465
T RexWho are you? Good question. You arbitrarily declare that the Celtics are stuck as a middling team because they added good cheap players and got way way better.
But you say they are stuck in the middle, without thinking for even two seconds before saying it.
THE CELTICS HAVE THE NETS’ NEXT THREE FIRST ROUND PICKS, UNPROTECTED.
In addition to a boatload of other first round picks, including the Mavs pick this year.
The Celtics are one of the youngest teams in the NBA, have tons of good talent, have a low payroll with maximum cap flexibility going forward, and they have 2-4 first round picks for each of the next 4 years.
Stuck in the middle? Why don’t you think for two seconds before making such declarations?
Stuck in the middle means no cap space, big undesirable contracts, older players with limited growth potential, and blowing all your future first rounders like the Nets did.
Every time a team gets better, everybody wants to talk about how they’re stuck in the middle, without two seconds thought.
0
- Posted on: Mon, 09/28/2015 - 8:37am #1015603
T RexI also hate the mindless, black and white definitions of "star". A player either is or isn’t a "star", as if all non-star players are the same. As if a lot of "non-stars" don’t make a bigger impact than officially certified "star" players.
A star, according to the masses, is either a two way dominant player, a defensive center, or an offensive guard.
According to the masses, defensive stars at guard cannot be stars, and offensive wizards at center cannot be a star unless they are dominant defensively.
But even in those limited, mindless, black and white definitions of "star", it has to be just the right kind of defensive big who gets annointed, just as it must be just the right kind of scoring guard who gets the star label.
So we get crazy, heavily repeated declarations that IT4 isn’t a star, even though he’s good for 19-20 ppg, and makes a similar impact as Kyrie Irving, Lillard, Kemba Walker, and other officially certified stars.
And then you have good defensive bigs who don’t block shots that never get noticed, while anybody with a pogo stick and a disregard for positional defense gets annointed a star, even if they can’t catch the ball, put it on the ground, put it in the hoop, pass it to a teammate, or you know, WIN GAMES.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 09/28/2015 - 8:37am #1015467
T RexI also hate the mindless, black and white definitions of "star". A player either is or isn’t a "star", as if all non-star players are the same. As if a lot of "non-stars" don’t make a bigger impact than officially certified "star" players.
A star, according to the masses, is either a two way dominant player, a defensive center, or an offensive guard.
According to the masses, defensive stars at guard cannot be stars, and offensive wizards at center cannot be a star unless they are dominant defensively.
But even in those limited, mindless, black and white definitions of "star", it has to be just the right kind of defensive big who gets annointed, just as it must be just the right kind of scoring guard who gets the star label.
So we get crazy, heavily repeated declarations that IT4 isn’t a star, even though he’s good for 19-20 ppg, and makes a similar impact as Kyrie Irving, Lillard, Kemba Walker, and other officially certified stars.
And then you have good defensive bigs who don’t block shots that never get noticed, while anybody with a pogo stick and a disregard for positional defense gets annointed a star, even if they can’t catch the ball, put it on the ground, put it in the hoop, pass it to a teammate, or you know, WIN GAMES.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 09/28/2015 - 11:23am #1015630
TWILL123ParticipantI find it comical people are trying to give more to IT and take away some from Westbrook for the celtics making the playoffs and the thunder not. The Thunder were 5 games better than the Celtics and in the Western Conference which is LIGHTYEARS ahead of the East. Just thought that little tidbit was funny. But I love both players and think both are great fun to watch. Don’t think they are comparable in any ways though.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 09/28/2015 - 11:23am #1015494
TWILL123ParticipantI find it comical people are trying to give more to IT and take away some from Westbrook for the celtics making the playoffs and the thunder not. The Thunder were 5 games better than the Celtics and in the Western Conference which is LIGHTYEARS ahead of the East. Just thought that little tidbit was funny. But I love both players and think both are great fun to watch. Don’t think they are comparable in any ways though.
0- Posted on: Mon, 09/28/2015 - 11:32am #1015632
T RexThe Celtics went 20-10 after they got IT4. What was OKC’s record after the all star break.
What’s funny is that people still lump the 13-36 Rondo-led Celtics in with the current roster that went 24-12.
As if THIS team is mediocre because Rondo hijacked the team and sucked az.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 09/28/2015 - 11:32am #1015496
T RexThe Celtics went 20-10 after they got IT4. What was OKC’s record after the all star break.
What’s funny is that people still lump the 13-36 Rondo-led Celtics in with the current roster that went 24-12.
As if THIS team is mediocre because Rondo hijacked the team and sucked az.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 09/28/2015 - 9:33pm #1015574
Mr. HookShotParticipantPeople is plural right? I believe there is only one person (coughcoughTRexcoughcough) doing so 😉
0 - Posted on: Mon, 09/28/2015 - 9:33pm #1015709
Mr. HookShotParticipantPeople is plural right? I believe there is only one person (coughcoughTRexcoughcough) doing so 😉
0
- Posted on: Mon, 09/28/2015 - 4:08pm #1015683
llperezCeltics got swept 0-4 and were a warm up for the cavs. They are not a good team. I predict they don’t make playoffs, other teams will have made more strides
0 - Posted on: Mon, 09/28/2015 - 4:08pm #1015548
llperezCeltics got swept 0-4 and were a warm up for the cavs. They are not a good team. I predict they don’t make playoffs, other teams will have made more strides
0 - Posted on: Tue, 09/29/2015 - 3:43pm #1015658
PulseGlazerParticipantCeltics are extremely well coached and play smart basketball. They’ll be good, and, just as important, their division is mostly terrible.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 09/29/2015 - 3:43pm #1015793
PulseGlazerParticipantCeltics are extremely well coached and play smart basketball. They’ll be good, and, just as important, their division is mostly terrible.
0 - AuthorPosts
| You must be logged in to reply to this topic. | Login |