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- Posted on: Wed, 08/26/2015 - 5:12am #61298
high floorParticipantShooting guard has always been a position of intrigue for NBA junkies dating back to the days of Michael Jordan, then Kobe Bryant, then T-mac amongst others. Today the top 6 shooting guards seem pretty firmly set in stone. In no particular order:
- James Harden
- Klay Thompson
- Jimmy Butler
- Kobe Bryant
- Dwyane Wade
- Demar Derozen
Now.. this is where it gets trickey. There are quite a few up and coming 2 guards that could break into the top 5 with strong performances from a team and statistical perspective this season. Below are my choices for the next 5 SG’s (in order) with stat line prediction:
- Brad Beal – 19 points, 5 rebounds, 3.5 assists, 1.2stl, 43% fg, 80% ft, 41% 3pt
- Vic Oladipo – 20 points, 5 rebounds, 4.5 assists, 1.7stl, 45% fg, 82% ft, 35% 3pt
- Khris Middleton – 16 points, 5 rebs, 2.8 assists, 1.4stl, 47% fg, 84% ft, 41% 3pt
- Monta Ellis – 18 points, 3 rebounds, 4.4 assists, 1.6stl, 45% fg, 80% ft, 30% 3pt
- Danny Green – 13 points, 4.8 rebs, 2.5 assists, 1.5 stl, 46% fg, 83% ft, 42% 3pt
What do you guys think? Am I way off base on the rankings/projections of the next 5? Fire away!
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/26/2015 - 5:32am #1009788
Taylor Gang MikeParticipantI would put these names in there..
Oladipo
Zach Lavine
Brad Beal
Ben Mclemore
Dwayne Bacon
Prince Ali
As far as the next level 2 guards, I think these 6 are in the next line..
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/26/2015 - 5:32am #1009651
Taylor Gang MikeParticipantI would put these names in there..
Oladipo
Zach Lavine
Brad Beal
Ben Mclemore
Dwayne Bacon
Prince Ali
As far as the next level 2 guards, I think these 6 are in the next line..
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/26/2015 - 5:38am #1009790
T RexMarcus Smart is already better than a lot of your top two tier guys.
Better than:
Kobe, Danny Green, Middleton, and Monta Ellis
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/26/2015 - 5:38am #1009653
T RexMarcus Smart is already better than a lot of your top two tier guys.
Better than:
Kobe, Danny Green, Middleton, and Monta Ellis
0- Posted on: Wed, 08/26/2015 - 5:50am #1009792
jalliParticipantsucks at this point.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/26/2015 - 5:50am #1009655
jalliParticipantsucks at this point.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/26/2015 - 5:53am #1009794
high floorParticipantI thought Boston was grooming him as their starting PG next season
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/26/2015 - 5:53am #1009657
high floorParticipantI thought Boston was grooming him as their starting PG next season
0- Posted on: Wed, 08/26/2015 - 6:28am #1009673
T RexWith IT4 and now Rozier, Smart will be playing most of his minutes at SG.
Even with a severe ankle sprain he played Tony Allen level defense, and he might already be the best defender in the league against James Harden.
Add in Smart’s already above average 3 point shot (average %, but very high volume), his point guard skills, and his fully healed ankle, and Smart’s going to score at the rim and get to the FT line like crazy this year.
He’s also super clutch in the 4th quarter, and he simply wins games.
Winning games, which is always an after-thought in these cheesy individual rankings.
0- Posted on: Wed, 08/26/2015 - 8:23am #1009695
providencefriars1ParticipantDon’t expect Rozier to play many mins.. basically the C’s are going to mix and match 5 guys for the three perimeter spots
Isaiah Thomas, Avery Bradley, Marcus Smart, Evan Turner, Jae Crowder
I expect Smart, Bradley, and Turner to start but Smart will be the defensive PG and Turner to offensive PG. Thomas will always be PG when he is in however
0- Posted on: Wed, 08/26/2015 - 8:40am #1009701
T RexI’m predicting that IT4 is going to start, with Evan Turner being the offensive PG and Bradley being the defensive PG. Crowder and IT4 played great together, and I think they’ll move into the starting lineup together.
Rozier and Hunter will be in a tough competition for the other backup guard spot opposite Avery Bradley.
I give the early edge to Hunter, who has very underrated ball handling and passing ability.
I think the reason IT4 didn’t get the starting job last year is because it was so late in the year, and it would have been too much change too late in the year, for a roster that was always changing all season. It also would have likely required moving Crowder back into the starting lineup along with IT4, and that was just too much change too late in the season.
Our starting lineup, especially the starting offense, was the weakest link last year.
Now with Amir Johnson likely starting, and with Crowder back, and with a full offseason/preseason, it becomes a lot easier to start IT4 than it was last year.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/26/2015 - 8:40am #1009838
T RexI’m predicting that IT4 is going to start, with Evan Turner being the offensive PG and Bradley being the defensive PG. Crowder and IT4 played great together, and I think they’ll move into the starting lineup together.
Rozier and Hunter will be in a tough competition for the other backup guard spot opposite Avery Bradley.
I give the early edge to Hunter, who has very underrated ball handling and passing ability.
I think the reason IT4 didn’t get the starting job last year is because it was so late in the year, and it would have been too much change too late in the year, for a roster that was always changing all season. It also would have likely required moving Crowder back into the starting lineup along with IT4, and that was just too much change too late in the season.
Our starting lineup, especially the starting offense, was the weakest link last year.
Now with Amir Johnson likely starting, and with Crowder back, and with a full offseason/preseason, it becomes a lot easier to start IT4 than it was last year.
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- Posted on: Wed, 08/26/2015 - 8:23am #1009832
providencefriars1ParticipantDon’t expect Rozier to play many mins.. basically the C’s are going to mix and match 5 guys for the three perimeter spots
Isaiah Thomas, Avery Bradley, Marcus Smart, Evan Turner, Jae Crowder
I expect Smart, Bradley, and Turner to start but Smart will be the defensive PG and Turner to offensive PG. Thomas will always be PG when he is in however
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/26/2015 - 11:31am #1009737
jalliParticipantof shooting percentages of 37/33/64 in an avg of 27 mins tells me enough that he is not very good right now.
0- Posted on: Wed, 08/26/2015 - 12:26pm #1009747
T RexBecause you neither know nor care about his elite defense. Nor do you care about his clutch 4th quarter play, which helped the Celtics be the BEST 4th quarter team in the NBA after the All Star break.
0- Posted on: Thu, 08/27/2015 - 3:17am #1009996
jalliParticipantslow-footed defense who can’t guard any PG with any kind of quick footspeed? He can guard big 1’s and some small 2’s very well though.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 08/27/2015 - 3:17am #1009859
jalliParticipantslow-footed defense who can’t guard any PG with any kind of quick footspeed? He can guard big 1’s and some small 2’s very well though.
0- Posted on: Thu, 08/27/2015 - 6:54am #1010010
T RexHe’s just about the best defensive SG in the league. He even gave LeBron a hard time on a few occassions in the playoffs.
There’s probably not a better defender against James Harden in the entire league.
"some smaller SGs"?
lol.
"slow footed"? There isn’t a 225-230 lb player in the league with feet as quick laterally as Marcus Smart, even if he is simply too heavy to dominate some PGs who weigh 40 lbs less.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 08/27/2015 - 6:54am #1009873
T RexHe’s just about the best defensive SG in the league. He even gave LeBron a hard time on a few occassions in the playoffs.
There’s probably not a better defender against James Harden in the entire league.
"some smaller SGs"?
lol.
"slow footed"? There isn’t a 225-230 lb player in the league with feet as quick laterally as Marcus Smart, even if he is simply too heavy to dominate some PGs who weigh 40 lbs less.
0- Posted on: Fri, 08/28/2015 - 4:15am #1010009
jalliParticipantmeaning SG’s who are about 6’4" as opposed to 6’7" guys. Quick for a guy 225-230 but the 170-190lb guys wouldn’t have too much trouble getting around him.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 08/28/2015 - 4:15am #1010146
jalliParticipantmeaning SG’s who are about 6’4" as opposed to 6’7" guys. Quick for a guy 225-230 but the 170-190lb guys wouldn’t have too much trouble getting around him.
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- Posted on: Wed, 08/26/2015 - 12:26pm #1009884
T RexBecause you neither know nor care about his elite defense. Nor do you care about his clutch 4th quarter play, which helped the Celtics be the BEST 4th quarter team in the NBA after the All Star break.
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- Posted on: Wed, 08/26/2015 - 11:31am #1009874
jalliParticipantof shooting percentages of 37/33/64 in an avg of 27 mins tells me enough that he is not very good right now.
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- Posted on: Wed, 08/26/2015 - 6:28am #1009810
T RexWith IT4 and now Rozier, Smart will be playing most of his minutes at SG.
Even with a severe ankle sprain he played Tony Allen level defense, and he might already be the best defender in the league against James Harden.
Add in Smart’s already above average 3 point shot (average %, but very high volume), his point guard skills, and his fully healed ankle, and Smart’s going to score at the rim and get to the FT line like crazy this year.
He’s also super clutch in the 4th quarter, and he simply wins games.
Winning games, which is always an after-thought in these cheesy individual rankings.
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- Posted on: Wed, 08/26/2015 - 5:55am #1009796
Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipantI wouldn’t say those top 6 are firmly set in stone. Harden is clearly number one I think and Butler and Thompson are probably 2 and 3 in some order. Wade when healthy is still a top 5 sg but that’s only about 50% of the time. I’m honestly not sure what to expect from Kobe this year and I think you could easily make the case for at least a few other guys over derozan.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/26/2015 - 5:55am #1009659
Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipantI wouldn’t say those top 6 are firmly set in stone. Harden is clearly number one I think and Butler and Thompson are probably 2 and 3 in some order. Wade when healthy is still a top 5 sg but that’s only about 50% of the time. I’m honestly not sure what to expect from Kobe this year and I think you could easily make the case for at least a few other guys over derozan.
0- Posted on: Wed, 08/26/2015 - 6:03am #1009798
high floorParticipantFor me personally Derozen is top 6 since he plays above average defense, averaged 20+ the past two seasons, is a key contributor to a playoff team, and a recent all star selection. My next 5 haven’t accomplished as much yet in their respective careers.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/26/2015 - 6:03am #1009661
high floorParticipantFor me personally Derozen is top 6 since he plays above average defense, averaged 20+ the past two seasons, is a key contributor to a playoff team, and a recent all star selection. My next 5 haven’t accomplished as much yet in their respective careers.
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- Posted on: Wed, 08/26/2015 - 6:52am #1009679
Andrew1984ParticipantI believe CJ McCollum will be among the next tier by the time the upcoming season is in the books.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/26/2015 - 6:52am #1009816
Andrew1984ParticipantI believe CJ McCollum will be among the next tier by the time the upcoming season is in the books.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/26/2015 - 7:36am #1009685
kobyzParticipantWes should be in the top 10 somewhere!
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/26/2015 - 7:36am #1009822
kobyzParticipantWes should be in the top 10 somewhere!
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/26/2015 - 11:30am #1009735
wonzi_bellsParticipantBy no means am I one of these Kobe Bryant haters that you see on the internet but you have Kobe firmly entrenched in your top 6? Like yeah, it’s impressive that he scored 22.3 PPG last season but on 37.3% field goal percentage while being an awful defender? Yuck! Then you have to factor in the susceptibility of getting another injury given his age and current injury history. I’m waffling on whether he’s a top 10 shooting guard, today.
1. Harden – No explanation needed
2. Thompson – See below
3. Butler – I was surprised to see this but when I compared Thompson to Butler in per 36, Klay averaged 24.5 PPG compared to Butler’s 18.6 PPG, which was very surprising. Butler’s league-leading 38.7 MPG bumped him up compared to Thompson’s 31.9.
Also, it seems like Butler can do more with the ball since he can get to the line and create plays for others better than Thompson and you saw that come to fruition in the playoffs as Thompson seemed more restricted, only averaging 18.6 PPG (18.5 per 36) in total in the playoffs and 19.7 PPG (19.9 per 36) before the Cavs-Warriors Finals series as Butler averaged 22.9 PPG (19.6 per 36). I believe if the scoring averages are closer, I’d lean on rather having Butler but not if its as big of a gap as it was in the regular season. Also, Butler might have had a career shooting season. I want to see him hit that mark again to trust him fully.
4. Beal – See below
5. Wade – This is another close battle. Both Beal and Wade haven’t been able to stay entirely healthy for a whole season but Wade is more worrisome. Anyways, advanced numbers haven’t like both of their regular seasons last year but Beal went off in the playoffs and if he can get that kind of responsibility again, I see him entrenching himself in a battle between Thompson and Butler. It’ll be hard with Wall being the primary option. Also, Wade might be more rejuvenated next season, given that Dragic is on board splitting ball-handling duties, as well as Winslow and Green to help him out with minutes. So, this is close but I see Beal getting more usage due to the playoff bump.
6. DeRozan – Now this becomes the point where you argue about low-efficient raw production players and highly-efficient versatile role players. DeRozans provides enough punch to standout ahead of the pack.
7. Matthews – Achilles injury worries me and Dallas doesn’t have enough depth to keep him fresh. Otherwise, I’d have him clearly above DeRozan.
8. Oladipo – Emerging two-way player. He had ups-and-downs with his shooting last season. If he can be like the player he was when he started the season shooting 39.7% from downtown before New Year’s Day, he’ll be above DeRozan and Matthews.
9. Middleton – Perfect role player two-guard. Like a poor man’s Klay Thompson, since he can shoot in volume and switch off guarding each wing positions. Just overall solid.
10. Redick – I was going to put Ellis in here and then I saw how much Redick scores and that surprised me. He scored 16.4 PPG (19.1 per 36) at 47.7% and 43.7% from downtown while Ellis averaged 18.9 PPG (20.2 per 36) at 44.5%. So, it’s pretty comparable and I’d rather having the spacing and better team defense Redick provides.
11. Ellis 12. Green 13. Afflalo 14. Evans 15. Johnson
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/26/2015 - 11:30am #1009872
wonzi_bellsParticipantBy no means am I one of these Kobe Bryant haters that you see on the internet but you have Kobe firmly entrenched in your top 6? Like yeah, it’s impressive that he scored 22.3 PPG last season but on 37.3% field goal percentage while being an awful defender? Yuck! Then you have to factor in the susceptibility of getting another injury given his age and current injury history. I’m waffling on whether he’s a top 10 shooting guard, today.
1. Harden – No explanation needed
2. Thompson – See below
3. Butler – I was surprised to see this but when I compared Thompson to Butler in per 36, Klay averaged 24.5 PPG compared to Butler’s 18.6 PPG, which was very surprising. Butler’s league-leading 38.7 MPG bumped him up compared to Thompson’s 31.9.
Also, it seems like Butler can do more with the ball since he can get to the line and create plays for others better than Thompson and you saw that come to fruition in the playoffs as Thompson seemed more restricted, only averaging 18.6 PPG (18.5 per 36) in total in the playoffs and 19.7 PPG (19.9 per 36) before the Cavs-Warriors Finals series as Butler averaged 22.9 PPG (19.6 per 36). I believe if the scoring averages are closer, I’d lean on rather having Butler but not if its as big of a gap as it was in the regular season. Also, Butler might have had a career shooting season. I want to see him hit that mark again to trust him fully.
4. Beal – See below
5. Wade – This is another close battle. Both Beal and Wade haven’t been able to stay entirely healthy for a whole season but Wade is more worrisome. Anyways, advanced numbers haven’t like both of their regular seasons last year but Beal went off in the playoffs and if he can get that kind of responsibility again, I see him entrenching himself in a battle between Thompson and Butler. It’ll be hard with Wall being the primary option. Also, Wade might be more rejuvenated next season, given that Dragic is on board splitting ball-handling duties, as well as Winslow and Green to help him out with minutes. So, this is close but I see Beal getting more usage due to the playoff bump.
6. DeRozan – Now this becomes the point where you argue about low-efficient raw production players and highly-efficient versatile role players. DeRozans provides enough punch to standout ahead of the pack.
7. Matthews – Achilles injury worries me and Dallas doesn’t have enough depth to keep him fresh. Otherwise, I’d have him clearly above DeRozan.
8. Oladipo – Emerging two-way player. He had ups-and-downs with his shooting last season. If he can be like the player he was when he started the season shooting 39.7% from downtown before New Year’s Day, he’ll be above DeRozan and Matthews.
9. Middleton – Perfect role player two-guard. Like a poor man’s Klay Thompson, since he can shoot in volume and switch off guarding each wing positions. Just overall solid.
10. Redick – I was going to put Ellis in here and then I saw how much Redick scores and that surprised me. He scored 16.4 PPG (19.1 per 36) at 47.7% and 43.7% from downtown while Ellis averaged 18.9 PPG (20.2 per 36) at 44.5%. So, it’s pretty comparable and I’d rather having the spacing and better team defense Redick provides.
11. Ellis 12. Green 13. Afflalo 14. Evans 15. Johnson
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/26/2015 - 4:08pm #1009773
cjwParticipantGive Beal and Wes Matthews over Derozan any day
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/26/2015 - 4:08pm #1009910
cjwParticipantGive Beal and Wes Matthews over Derozan any day
0 - Posted on: Thu, 08/27/2015 - 1:03am #1009986
omphalosParticipantIf Eric Gordon can stay healthy he absolutely deserves to be on that list. Was phenomenal in the playoffs and should thrive under Gentry.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 08/27/2015 - 1:03am #1009849
omphalosParticipantIf Eric Gordon can stay healthy he absolutely deserves to be on that list. Was phenomenal in the playoffs and should thrive under Gentry.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 08/28/2015 - 11:48pm #1010279
XYRYXParticipantI think Oladipo will have a great year and maybe more than a semi breakout. I don’t really think he can get 20 points per game yet and I also think Middlon will get more than the 16 projected. Monroe will get touches and for sure Parker and both MCW and Giannis should improve their scoring but call me crazy cause I think at this stage Jabari is not really more efficient than Middlon on offense. As mentioned above Jabari might have Melo type of offensive potential down the road which I doubt a bit but Middlon clearly can knock down the ball from anywhere and I expect Kidd to let this guys run a lot if given the opportunity and Middlon is exactly the kind of wing I love to seen run as a trailor or waiting at the 3 point line while Jabari, MCW and especially Giannis running the break!
Monta Ellis should get some Love as well to me. Not many shooting guards over the last 5-7 years have consistantly been so versatile and good scorers as well as beeing able to create. He is a fantastic fit along PG13 and should put up very nice numbers on this team! He is not top 5 overall but offensively I think he is there with Thompson, clearly better then DeRozan, more proven and reliable than Beal or Dipo and much more versatile than Butler, at least yet and can really take over games by himself if needed too.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 08/28/2015 - 11:48pm #1010141
XYRYXParticipantI think Oladipo will have a great year and maybe more than a semi breakout. I don’t really think he can get 20 points per game yet and I also think Middlon will get more than the 16 projected. Monroe will get touches and for sure Parker and both MCW and Giannis should improve their scoring but call me crazy cause I think at this stage Jabari is not really more efficient than Middlon on offense. As mentioned above Jabari might have Melo type of offensive potential down the road which I doubt a bit but Middlon clearly can knock down the ball from anywhere and I expect Kidd to let this guys run a lot if given the opportunity and Middlon is exactly the kind of wing I love to seen run as a trailor or waiting at the 3 point line while Jabari, MCW and especially Giannis running the break!
Monta Ellis should get some Love as well to me. Not many shooting guards over the last 5-7 years have consistantly been so versatile and good scorers as well as beeing able to create. He is a fantastic fit along PG13 and should put up very nice numbers on this team! He is not top 5 overall but offensively I think he is there with Thompson, clearly better then DeRozan, more proven and reliable than Beal or Dipo and much more versatile than Butler, at least yet and can really take over games by himself if needed too.
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