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- Posted on: Sun, 08/23/2015 - 9:02pm #61289
Memphisboy14ParticipantThe article sums up my opinion on Melo perfectly. Mind you the article came out a year ago. Still relevant to the topic at hand. Pretty good read whether or not you’re a fan. I always find myself defending him. He hasn’t always been in the best basketball situations yet more often than not he puts himself in those situations.
http://grantland.com/features/carmelo-anthony-new-york-knicks-legacy/
0 - Posted on: Sun, 08/23/2015 - 11:43pm #1009512
wonzi_bellsParticipantThat’s weird, I literally was thinking about this topic earlier today.

Anyways, I disagree with Bill Simmons on figuring out where the opinion of what point did Carmelo Anthony make his mistake. I don’t blame Carmelo for staying with the Knicks in the summer of 2014 last offseason.
The difference between what he could make in Chicago and New York was a staggering amount – a tad bit under $60 million as the Knicks offered $129 million over five years and the Bulls could only offer a little under $70 million over four years. Now, he’d make some more money in the first year of his next deal to lessen the gap. The probable starting max for a 10-year plus veteran is $31 million in the summer of 2018 but I don’t know if he’ll command max-dollar then since he’ll be 34 years-old, so he’ll probably command $25-27 million a year in his next deal. So adding ~$25-27 million for one year to the $70 million he’d make in four years with the Bulls, you’re lessen it to $96 million but the different is still significant with leaving $33 million on the table.
On top of the that, if he had went to the Bulls, they probably still wouldn’t have been a true contender. They wouldn’t have gotten Gasol, probably shed Gibson too and we don’t know how Butler’s breakout season would’ve turned out if he was playing next to Carmelo, along with how would his contract negotiation turn out. Plus, the guy who’s suppose to be the supporting superstar in Rose is not something I would call stable and Noah is starting to breakdown some as he turned 30 last February. All with the Thibodeau-Foreman/Paxson situation looming.
As well as probably the most important thing to Carmelo himself, he just likes being in New York City. He didn’t force his way out of Denver for nothing. His family is happy there. His wife La La can work out there and is currently shooting her show, Power, out in New York. I remember reading how he didn’t want his son moving around all over the place and that he wanted as much of a stable situation that he could provide.
Now, this brings up the situation when his forced his way out to Denver, I can’t really blame him for how he handled that too.
The lockout was looming that whole 2010-11 NBA season and he wanted to get out of Dodge. You didn’t know what was going to come out of that financially, so I can understand why someone would want to lock-up as much money as they could beforehand. It ended up nothing being much of difference as it turns out but I understand the fear of the unknown. The consequences were stiff though. They gave up so many assets to accommodate that trade with the Nuggets with giving up Danilo Gallinari, Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Timothy Mozgov and the 2014 NBA Draft pick (turned into Dario Saric) and a swap in the 2016 NBA Draft (which they gave away completely for Bargnani). On top of that they take back Chauncey Billups, who they had to amnesty in order to sign Tyson Chandler, all while an Amar’e Stoudemire career-altering injury was looming that very season.
You realize that summer in 2010 when the Knicks got Amar’e Stoudemire, Chris Paul made that rumored toast of wanting to form his very own Big Three in New York at Carmelo’s wedding after seeing the Heat form their own trio just days after. If the scary lockout haze wasn’t in Carmelo’s way, he could’ve sign in the offseason of 2011, still have all those assets to being able trade to make a trade for a Chris Paul and still have the amnesty chip in their back pockets once the Stoudemire situation arised to create even more cap space. That could’ve been them vying with the Clippers trade once the Lakers deal got voided. If only the damn lockout wasn’t in the way.
Now, this could have all been avoided and this the one thing that I think it’s legit to criticize Carmelo with. He should have signed the same type of deals Dwyane Wade signed, Chris Bosh signed and most importantly LeBron James signed after their rookie extensions in the summer of 2006.
Had he done that, he could have signed outright with the Knicks in 2010 with Stoudemire. Heck, he could have signed with the Heat taking Bosh’s spot or the Bulls taking Boozer’s spot. All of this "being put in tough situations" or "give and take situations" could have been avoided but who knows. It was 2006 when his signed that deal, only three season into his career. So I don’t know if he could have foreseen all of this. Nonetheless, it worked out for Wade, Bosh and James. Meanwhile, Carmelo is still stuck on the outside looking in.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 08/23/2015 - 11:43pm #1009374
wonzi_bellsParticipantThat’s weird, I literally was thinking about this topic earlier today.

Anyways, I disagree with Bill Simmons on figuring out where the opinion of what point did Carmelo Anthony make his mistake. I don’t blame Carmelo for staying with the Knicks in the summer of 2014 last offseason.
The difference between what he could make in Chicago and New York was a staggering amount – a tad bit under $60 million as the Knicks offered $129 million over five years and the Bulls could only offer a little under $70 million over four years. Now, he’d make some more money in the first year of his next deal to lessen the gap. The probable starting max for a 10-year plus veteran is $31 million in the summer of 2018 but I don’t know if he’ll command max-dollar then since he’ll be 34 years-old, so he’ll probably command $25-27 million a year in his next deal. So adding ~$25-27 million for one year to the $70 million he’d make in four years with the Bulls, you’re lessen it to $96 million but the different is still significant with leaving $33 million on the table.
On top of the that, if he had went to the Bulls, they probably still wouldn’t have been a true contender. They wouldn’t have gotten Gasol, probably shed Gibson too and we don’t know how Butler’s breakout season would’ve turned out if he was playing next to Carmelo, along with how would his contract negotiation turn out. Plus, the guy who’s suppose to be the supporting superstar in Rose is not something I would call stable and Noah is starting to breakdown some as he turned 30 last February. All with the Thibodeau-Foreman/Paxson situation looming.
As well as probably the most important thing to Carmelo himself, he just likes being in New York City. He didn’t force his way out of Denver for nothing. His family is happy there. His wife La La can work out there and is currently shooting her show, Power, out in New York. I remember reading how he didn’t want his son moving around all over the place and that he wanted as much of a stable situation that he could provide.
Now, this brings up the situation when his forced his way out to Denver, I can’t really blame him for how he handled that too.
The lockout was looming that whole 2010-11 NBA season and he wanted to get out of Dodge. You didn’t know what was going to come out of that financially, so I can understand why someone would want to lock-up as much money as they could beforehand. It ended up nothing being much of difference as it turns out but I understand the fear of the unknown. The consequences were stiff though. They gave up so many assets to accommodate that trade with the Nuggets with giving up Danilo Gallinari, Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Timothy Mozgov and the 2014 NBA Draft pick (turned into Dario Saric) and a swap in the 2016 NBA Draft (which they gave away completely for Bargnani). On top of that they take back Chauncey Billups, who they had to amnesty in order to sign Tyson Chandler, all while an Amar’e Stoudemire career-altering injury was looming that very season.
You realize that summer in 2010 when the Knicks got Amar’e Stoudemire, Chris Paul made that rumored toast of wanting to form his very own Big Three in New York at Carmelo’s wedding after seeing the Heat form their own trio just days after. If the scary lockout haze wasn’t in Carmelo’s way, he could’ve sign in the offseason of 2011, still have all those assets to being able trade to make a trade for a Chris Paul and still have the amnesty chip in their back pockets once the Stoudemire situation arised to create even more cap space. That could’ve been them vying with the Clippers trade once the Lakers deal got voided. If only the damn lockout wasn’t in the way.
Now, this could have all been avoided and this the one thing that I think it’s legit to criticize Carmelo with. He should have signed the same type of deals Dwyane Wade signed, Chris Bosh signed and most importantly LeBron James signed after their rookie extensions in the summer of 2006.
Had he done that, he could have signed outright with the Knicks in 2010 with Stoudemire. Heck, he could have signed with the Heat taking Bosh’s spot or the Bulls taking Boozer’s spot. All of this "being put in tough situations" or "give and take situations" could have been avoided but who knows. It was 2006 when his signed that deal, only three season into his career. So I don’t know if he could have foreseen all of this. Nonetheless, it worked out for Wade, Bosh and James. Meanwhile, Carmelo is still stuck on the outside looking in.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 08/24/2015 - 12:02am #1009518
trelos6ParticipantI miss Bill Simmons. He is such a good writer!
I actually think Knicks are in playoff contention this season.
Grant and Porzingis have some potential.
Afflalo provides a second scoring option, Calderon a spot up shooter.
And Robin Lopez might be Chandler lite.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 08/24/2015 - 12:02am #1009380
trelos6ParticipantI miss Bill Simmons. He is such a good writer!
I actually think Knicks are in playoff contention this season.
Grant and Porzingis have some potential.
Afflalo provides a second scoring option, Calderon a spot up shooter.
And Robin Lopez might be Chandler lite.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 08/24/2015 - 2:34am #1009524
herceg_bukuParticipantHe is not on my favorite list of players, but what i will never get over is the fact that he was robbed off that rookie of the year award. He had better stats than lebron and took his team to the playoffs yet we all know who got the award. I kinda feel this had a little bit off an impact into what type of a player he later on got molded into.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 08/24/2015 - 2:34am #1009386
herceg_bukuParticipantHe is not on my favorite list of players, but what i will never get over is the fact that he was robbed off that rookie of the year award. He had better stats than lebron and took his team to the playoffs yet we all know who got the award. I kinda feel this had a little bit off an impact into what type of a player he later on got molded into.
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