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- Posted on: Sun, 08/16/2015 - 5:25pm #61228
canadabasketballisrisingParticipantI’m bored, and was interested in how people would re-draft the 2003 draft (for what would be for most, the best draft we have ever witnessed in terms of depth and lottery talent.) Based on what you know now, who would you draft if you were to go back in time, and make a pick in the 2003 nba draft. It would be based on who each team had during 2003.
With the second pick in the 2003 NBA draft, the Detroit pistons select (Lebron is going number one, no point to allow for Darko comments lol..)
0 - Posted on: Sun, 08/16/2015 - 6:01pm #1007946
ZachAttackParticipantDwayne Wade. A Billups/Wade back court would win all the championships back in that day. I also thought this darft was funny. The first pick was the best player in the NBA and the second pick was (arguably) the worst.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 08/16/2015 - 6:01pm #1008085
ZachAttackParticipantDwayne Wade. A Billups/Wade back court would win all the championships back in that day. I also thought this darft was funny. The first pick was the best player in the NBA and the second pick was (arguably) the worst.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 08/16/2015 - 6:08pm #1007950
JR RyderParticipantIf were going based on fit rather than best player available, I actually think Chris Bosh would be perfect with the Pistons. Ben Wallace and Bosh compliments each other very well. Dwayne Wade is obviously the best player available but Billups and Hamilton is already a formidable back court, Tayshaun Prince already has the SF role.
0- Posted on: Sun, 08/16/2015 - 6:36pm #1007956
DondiJohnParticipantwas a better prospect than Bosh. I doubt Bosh would have developed in Detroit with Larry Brown as a coach. He was never known to play rookies.
Carmelo was a sure fire thing as any was in college. Problem was they didnt want to stump Prince’s confidence and growth. Imagine Carmelo with Ben Wallace, Sheed Wallace, Rip and Chauncey.
Anthony gets my vote
0- Posted on: Sun, 08/16/2015 - 7:24pm #1007966
JR RyderParticipantFirst off, quit copying my style by having a hot chick as profile pic
Second, Bosh would thrive and develop anywhere he would have ended up at. He is too skilled and too talented. Even if coach Larry Brown didnt play him early, he would still blossom regardless.
You could go with Carmelo as well, but him and Prince would have a log jam at SF, and Prince was a pretty valuable piece to that team with his defense, which is that team’s signature style of play, which Carmelo doesnt like to do.
0- Posted on: Sun, 08/16/2015 - 8:28pm #1007974
ZachAttackParticipantLooks to me like you copied him. You know, based on joining dates.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 08/16/2015 - 8:28pm #1008113
ZachAttackParticipantLooks to me like you copied him. You know, based on joining dates.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 08/16/2015 - 8:30pm #1007976
DondiJohnParticipantPlease check the joined date
0- Posted on: Mon, 08/17/2015 - 3:14am #1008161
Rip255As a side note, Id be surprised if the Spurs didnt lose a bit of focus this season cos Becky Hammons actually pretty hot (for a bball chick).
And Tony Parker seems like the kinda guy who would seduce a lot of white chicks…
0 - Posted on: Mon, 08/17/2015 - 3:14am #1008022
Rip255As a side note, Id be surprised if the Spurs didnt lose a bit of focus this season cos Becky Hammons actually pretty hot (for a bball chick).
And Tony Parker seems like the kinda guy who would seduce a lot of white chicks…
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- Posted on: Sun, 08/16/2015 - 8:30pm #1008115
DondiJohnParticipantPlease check the joined date
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- Posted on: Sun, 08/16/2015 - 7:24pm #1008105
JR RyderParticipantFirst off, quit copying my style by having a hot chick as profile pic
Second, Bosh would thrive and develop anywhere he would have ended up at. He is too skilled and too talented. Even if coach Larry Brown didnt play him early, he would still blossom regardless.
You could go with Carmelo as well, but him and Prince would have a log jam at SF, and Prince was a pretty valuable piece to that team with his defense, which is that team’s signature style of play, which Carmelo doesnt like to do.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 08/16/2015 - 9:14pm #1007978
wonzi_bellsParticipantBrain Windhorst of ESPN did an oral history piece with the players, executives and sport writers involved in that 2003 NBA Draft for the ten-year anniversary in 2013. In the piece, one of the beat writers for the Pistons said Carmelo Anthony just wasn’t that high on their boards and believed they would’ve taken Bosh over him had they traded down.
Also, the Larry Brown and minutes thing account for a very small reason into why Darko Milicic turned out that bad. In reality, he just wasn’t that good, scouts got it wrong and nothing would change that. This all comes after the 2001-02 where Pau Gasol win Rookie of the Year while looking like a potential franchise cornerstone right from the get-go, Peja Stojakovic makes his second All-Star appearance and is one of the league’s best shooters and the granddaddy of them all, Dirk Nowitzki is seen as a bonafide top-ten player at the age of 23. All of this sparked the Eurocraze era and that’s the reason why people just conjured up the image that any Euro could be an All-Star calliber players like Tskitishvili or Podkolzin. Like the scouting reports of Darko were just flatout lies or things that he might flash from time-to-time but nothing conistant. Like they said he could shoot out to the three-point line but never did that in the European leagues or the FIBA tournaments he played in or that he had phenomenal vision but he never averaged much nor had a good assist-to-turnover ratio out in Europe or FIBA games. Also, he played in the third-tier European league and a second-tier domestic league, which terrible competition and once you get down to that level of competition, there are no competent bigs. There all really stiff, unskilled and undersized in some way. So Darko looked like a graceful gazelle amongst them. Nothing Larry Brown could ever do that would turn Darko into what he was expected to become.
And he wasn’t a better prospect than Bosh. Bosh would’ve been great anywhere.
0- Posted on: Mon, 08/17/2015 - 2:28am #1008155
Stephen A. BaylessParticipantDarko turned 18 less than a week before the draft, Dirk was 20 as a rookie and Gasol was 21. Dallas and Memphis (had just moved from Vancouver) were both Bottom feeders with low expectations, while Detroit was a 50+ win team trying to win it all. It’s not fair to compare those situations and pretend they were the same.
I think you’re underselling the Larry Brown and minutes thing. Young players need to play, simple as that. Darko didn’t play at all behind 3 all-stars (Both Wallaces and Mehmet Okur). He actually ended up being a very good defensive player, but his offensive skills never developed and he never showcased the shooting skills he had at 17.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 08/17/2015 - 2:28am #1008016
Stephen A. BaylessParticipantDarko turned 18 less than a week before the draft, Dirk was 20 as a rookie and Gasol was 21. Dallas and Memphis (had just moved from Vancouver) were both Bottom feeders with low expectations, while Detroit was a 50+ win team trying to win it all. It’s not fair to compare those situations and pretend they were the same.
I think you’re underselling the Larry Brown and minutes thing. Young players need to play, simple as that. Darko didn’t play at all behind 3 all-stars (Both Wallaces and Mehmet Okur). He actually ended up being a very good defensive player, but his offensive skills never developed and he never showcased the shooting skills he had at 17.
0- Posted on: Mon, 08/17/2015 - 4:29am #1008179
whiteflashParticipantRead an interview with Billups where he said he’d watched Darko’s pre-draft workout and at the time he was sold. Said the kid blew the doors off the building. The problem was workouts don’t always translate to actual game ability. Add that to him coming to a completely foreign land, playing under a coach that well, didn’t play him, adjusting to a new style/system and dealing with monumental hype. That’s a lot for a 17 year old kid. Under a different coach in a different system I think he would’ve been a better player than we saw. Not deserving of the #2 pick good, but much better than he was. Sometimes the ball bounces like that though.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 08/17/2015 - 4:29am #1008040
whiteflashParticipantRead an interview with Billups where he said he’d watched Darko’s pre-draft workout and at the time he was sold. Said the kid blew the doors off the building. The problem was workouts don’t always translate to actual game ability. Add that to him coming to a completely foreign land, playing under a coach that well, didn’t play him, adjusting to a new style/system and dealing with monumental hype. That’s a lot for a 17 year old kid. Under a different coach in a different system I think he would’ve been a better player than we saw. Not deserving of the #2 pick good, but much better than he was. Sometimes the ball bounces like that though.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 08/17/2015 - 3:34pm #1008198
wonzi_bellsParticipantI wasn’t comparing Darko to those guys, I was saying Gasol, Stojakovic and Nowitzki is what caused the inflation of drafting European players, hence a Eurocraze era is born.
But even if I had compared them, Darko wasn’t putting up the same type of production in relation to the competition he was playing when looking at his pre-NBA stats the same way those three were doing at the same ages in either European league competition, domestic competition and FIBA/International competition.
As for the minutes, I’d still put the majority of the reason of his failures on him, even if I undersold it. I mean, in his third season he went to Orlando and got run there. Decent but just wasn’t all that good.
Yeah, that was the workout the entire Pistons staff saw, as well as Chad Ford. Ford still claims it was the greatest workout he’s ever seen. One-on-none though.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 08/17/2015 - 3:34pm #1008337
wonzi_bellsParticipantI wasn’t comparing Darko to those guys, I was saying Gasol, Stojakovic and Nowitzki is what caused the inflation of drafting European players, hence a Eurocraze era is born.
But even if I had compared them, Darko wasn’t putting up the same type of production in relation to the competition he was playing when looking at his pre-NBA stats the same way those three were doing at the same ages in either European league competition, domestic competition and FIBA/International competition.
As for the minutes, I’d still put the majority of the reason of his failures on him, even if I undersold it. I mean, in his third season he went to Orlando and got run there. Decent but just wasn’t all that good.
Yeah, that was the workout the entire Pistons staff saw, as well as Chad Ford. Ford still claims it was the greatest workout he’s ever seen. One-on-none though.
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- Posted on: Sun, 08/16/2015 - 9:14pm #1008117
wonzi_bellsParticipantBrain Windhorst of ESPN did an oral history piece with the players, executives and sport writers involved in that 2003 NBA Draft for the ten-year anniversary in 2013. In the piece, one of the beat writers for the Pistons said Carmelo Anthony just wasn’t that high on their boards and believed they would’ve taken Bosh over him had they traded down.
Also, the Larry Brown and minutes thing account for a very small reason into why Darko Milicic turned out that bad. In reality, he just wasn’t that good, scouts got it wrong and nothing would change that. This all comes after the 2001-02 where Pau Gasol win Rookie of the Year while looking like a potential franchise cornerstone right from the get-go, Peja Stojakovic makes his second All-Star appearance and is one of the league’s best shooters and the granddaddy of them all, Dirk Nowitzki is seen as a bonafide top-ten player at the age of 23. All of this sparked the Eurocraze era and that’s the reason why people just conjured up the image that any Euro could be an All-Star calliber players like Tskitishvili or Podkolzin. Like the scouting reports of Darko were just flatout lies or things that he might flash from time-to-time but nothing conistant. Like they said he could shoot out to the three-point line but never did that in the European leagues or the FIBA tournaments he played in or that he had phenomenal vision but he never averaged much nor had a good assist-to-turnover ratio out in Europe or FIBA games. Also, he played in the third-tier European league and a second-tier domestic league, which terrible competition and once you get down to that level of competition, there are no competent bigs. There all really stiff, unskilled and undersized in some way. So Darko looked like a graceful gazelle amongst them. Nothing Larry Brown could ever do that would turn Darko into what he was expected to become.
And he wasn’t a better prospect than Bosh. Bosh would’ve been great anywhere.
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- Posted on: Sun, 08/16/2015 - 6:36pm #1008095
DondiJohnParticipantwas a better prospect than Bosh. I doubt Bosh would have developed in Detroit with Larry Brown as a coach. He was never known to play rookies.
Carmelo was a sure fire thing as any was in college. Problem was they didnt want to stump Prince’s confidence and growth. Imagine Carmelo with Ben Wallace, Sheed Wallace, Rip and Chauncey.
Anthony gets my vote
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- Posted on: Sun, 08/16/2015 - 6:08pm #1008089
JR RyderParticipantIf were going based on fit rather than best player available, I actually think Chris Bosh would be perfect with the Pistons. Ben Wallace and Bosh compliments each other very well. Dwayne Wade is obviously the best player available but Billups and Hamilton is already a formidable back court, Tayshaun Prince already has the SF role.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 08/16/2015 - 6:42pm #1007960
dmo21ParticipantPeople forget how much of a star he was and that he actually led his team to the playoffs when he was young. It’d be either be him or Wade, but I like the fit of Anthony better (Bosh was too much of a project for a team who was winning championships). Anthony could come off the bench for Prince or either Wallace (Ben comes out and Sheed plays center). Then when they’d age, Melo could replace one of them in the starting lineup.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 08/16/2015 - 6:42pm #1008100
dmo21ParticipantPeople forget how much of a star he was and that he actually led his team to the playoffs when he was young. It’d be either be him or Wade, but I like the fit of Anthony better (Bosh was too much of a project for a team who was winning championships). Anthony could come off the bench for Prince or either Wallace (Ben comes out and Sheed plays center). Then when they’d age, Melo could replace one of them in the starting lineup.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 08/16/2015 - 11:39pm #1008133
adumParticipantBut knowing what I know I draft Darko again.
Winning a championship is tough especially with no superstars like in Detroit.
i think having any of Wade Bosh or Melo would skew the chem.
American prospects/players act and are treated different then foreigners.
On the flipside those 3 are all hall of famers but I still put a guaranteed championship over the chance of them bringing one in.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 08/16/2015 - 11:39pm #1007994
adumParticipantBut knowing what I know I draft Darko again.
Winning a championship is tough especially with no superstars like in Detroit.
i think having any of Wade Bosh or Melo would skew the chem.
American prospects/players act and are treated different then foreigners.
On the flipside those 3 are all hall of famers but I still put a guaranteed championship over the chance of them bringing one in.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 08/17/2015 - 3:04am #1008159
Bob BallParticipantWhen Billups got to Denver and played with Melo he said if the Pistions would have taken Melo they would have won multiple championships. i cna’t find the excact quote but, I did find one where Billups says Melo or bosh would would have been multiple chips.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 08/17/2015 - 3:04am #1008020
Bob BallParticipantWhen Billups got to Denver and played with Melo he said if the Pistions would have taken Melo they would have won multiple championships. i cna’t find the excact quote but, I did find one where Billups says Melo or bosh would would have been multiple chips.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 08/17/2015 - 4:11am #1008177
Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipantThis is kind of an interesting selection because the pistons were already a very talented team with a deep roster in 2003 and acquired the second pick through a previous trade. They actually won the title the following season and didn’t need a rookie to come in and play big mins and control the ball alot. I don’t think either Wade or Carmelo would have been very good fits on those mid-2000s pistons teams. However, I don’t think they could pass up to the opportunity to draft Wade, for the long-term stability of their franchise, even if might not have seemed like a great fit at the time.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 08/17/2015 - 4:11am #1008038
Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipantThis is kind of an interesting selection because the pistons were already a very talented team with a deep roster in 2003 and acquired the second pick through a previous trade. They actually won the title the following season and didn’t need a rookie to come in and play big mins and control the ball alot. I don’t think either Wade or Carmelo would have been very good fits on those mid-2000s pistons teams. However, I don’t think they could pass up to the opportunity to draft Wade, for the long-term stability of their franchise, even if might not have seemed like a great fit at the time.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 08/17/2015 - 7:42pm #1008403
canadabasketballisrisingParticipantto break the tie- Melo. So close. I think it is just such a great fit for him.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 08/17/2015 - 7:42pm #1008264
canadabasketballisrisingParticipantto break the tie- Melo. So close. I think it is just such a great fit for him.
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