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  • #61107
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    scarlson2345
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     Let me start off this post by stating I agree with all that Kristaps is not a center and has more of a natural skill set of a SF or PF.

    I think that this year the Knicks are going to elect to bring Porzingis along slow and play him 20 mins a night in a back up role. I see there big man rotation looking something like this:

    Starters: PF: Derrick Williams, C: Robin Lopez

    Bench: PF: Porzingis, O’Quinn

    Factoring in Melo playing minutes at the 4 is why I think Williams will get a shot to start because he can play more on the perimeter and clear out more space for Melo in the high post.

    I know physically right now Porzingis is not able to handle the physicality of most PF’s in the league let alone Centers so he will not play to much 5 as a rookie. But I think over the course of the next few years, as he continues to put time in the weight room and fill out his frame, playing the 5 will be the best thing for the Knicks offense. He was already listed on the Knicks summer league roster at 7’3" 233lbs. Seeing as he is turning 20 in 2 days he still has a lot of physical maturing still to be done. I could see him in his third year coming in more along the lines of 7’3/4" 260lbs. This is significanlty bigger than most NBA centers and he will most likely be tougher mentally by this point in his career as well. He will be able to learn some of the finer points of the position from Lopez and he is already a servicable shot blocker.

    This will then give the Knicks the ability to play 4 skilled players at 1-4 and have his skillset at the 5, making them very difficult to guard. 

    Again I know this is not natural for him and early on he will be better suited to play the 4, but with the ball-movement and defensive switching style of the NBA today I think the 5 is where he will eventually be most effective. Thoughts?

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #1004914
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    TripleDoubleScout
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     Interesting. I think he could play some small ball 5 a few years from now because his strengths complement the triangle offense as a big…

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    TripleDoubleScout
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     Interesting. I think he could play some small ball 5 a few years from now because his strengths complement the triangle offense as a big…

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  • #1005061
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    Rip255

    I’m going to be harsh here…but anyone who thinks the 7’3" Porzingas is a SF is an idiot.

    There has never been a 7’3" SF in the history of the NBA, and there never will be. 

    You put him on the perimeter in the NBA, chasing around guys like Corey Brewer, Chandler Parsons and MKG, and I promise his knees and ankles are shot before the end of his first season. 

     

     

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  • #1004922
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    I’m going to be harsh here…but anyone who thinks the 7’3" Porzingas is a SF is an idiot.

    There has never been a 7’3" SF in the history of the NBA, and there never will be. 

    You put him on the perimeter in the NBA, chasing around guys like Corey Brewer, Chandler Parsons and MKG, and I promise his knees and ankles are shot before the end of his first season. 

     

     

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    • #1005063
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       Aww come on he’s only like 7’1" and a quarter he has some small forward skills but I agree he can play some perimeter offense but on defense his ankles, knees and feet would probably break down fast.            

       I also don’t see derrick Williams ahead of him,but the Knicks have a little bit of a situation porzingis is probably better even at this point than derrick Williams but he isn’t physically prepared for the nba. although he is making strides in the strength and weight department he’s got a long way to go, but I think he very well could start on the Knicks

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    • #1004924
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       Aww come on he’s only like 7’1" and a quarter he has some small forward skills but I agree he can play some perimeter offense but on defense his ankles, knees and feet would probably break down fast.            

       I also don’t see derrick Williams ahead of him,but the Knicks have a little bit of a situation porzingis is probably better even at this point than derrick Williams but he isn’t physically prepared for the nba. although he is making strides in the strength and weight department he’s got a long way to go, but I think he very well could start on the Knicks

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      • #1005070
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         NBA rule of thumb seems to be measure them without shoes, add the inch from wearing shoes, and round up. So, if a guy is 6’3" and a 1/2", he’d be listed as 6’5". Them listing him at 7’3" seems about protocol. The one that threw me is Tarik Black being listed as 6’11". What? He’s 6’7"ish. They’ve finally got him listed as 6’9" (still a push). 

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      • #1005210
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        Mopgrass
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         NBA rule of thumb seems to be measure them without shoes, add the inch from wearing shoes, and round up. So, if a guy is 6’3" and a 1/2", he’d be listed as 6’5". Them listing him at 7’3" seems about protocol. The one that threw me is Tarik Black being listed as 6’11". What? He’s 6’7"ish. They’ve finally got him listed as 6’9" (still a push). 

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    • #1005099
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      Stop_basketball_nonsense
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      This is the type of of stuff that irks me and makes me lose respect for people on this site. U know rip255 is an interesting guy, and I blame others on this site for giving him so many pluses when he obviously read and deciphered wrongly what he read. The guy who created this topic clearly stated kristaps has the skill set of a small forward not that he could play small forward. Like o said rip255 is an interesting guy but don’t feed into his over rambunctiousness.

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    • #1004961
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      Stop_basketball_nonsense
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      This is the type of of stuff that irks me and makes me lose respect for people on this site. U know rip255 is an interesting guy, and I blame others on this site for giving him so many pluses when he obviously read and deciphered wrongly what he read. The guy who created this topic clearly stated kristaps has the skill set of a small forward not that he could play small forward. Like o said rip255 is an interesting guy but don’t feed into his over rambunctiousness.

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    • #1005170
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       You should learn how to spell his name first, then call anybody an idiot. 

      On the topic – I agree with the OP.

       

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    • #1005030
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       You should learn how to spell his name first, then call anybody an idiot. 

      On the topic – I agree with the OP.

       

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    • #1005064
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      Yeah Porzingis definitely isn’t a full time wing player and I don’t think there is any situational lineup that is effective with him playing the 3.

      Yes, he can shoot from the perimeter but he isn’t beating any guards or wings off the dribble. There has also been talk of his shooting off of screens, which would be much less effective with a quicker player on him. A 4 or 5 man chasing him around screens is a different story and that’s where his unique abilities come into play. 

      Overall though I like what I’ve seen from him. I don’t have much faith in Derek Fisher and there’s a real chance that Porzingis’ development and learning curve take a hit/get stunted playing for him. 

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    • #1005204
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      Yeah Porzingis definitely isn’t a full time wing player and I don’t think there is any situational lineup that is effective with him playing the 3.

      Yes, he can shoot from the perimeter but he isn’t beating any guards or wings off the dribble. There has also been talk of his shooting off of screens, which would be much less effective with a quicker player on him. A 4 or 5 man chasing him around screens is a different story and that’s where his unique abilities come into play. 

      Overall though I like what I’ve seen from him. I don’t have much faith in Derek Fisher and there’s a real chance that Porzingis’ development and learning curve take a hit/get stunted playing for him. 

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  • #1005067
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    Rip255

    NBA has him listed at 7’3"

    Gotta add on 2 inches on for Euros too…just like the Americans do.

     

     

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  • #1004928
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    NBA has him listed at 7’3"

    Gotta add on 2 inches on for Euros too…just like the Americans do.

     

     

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  • #1005079
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    he_gets_buckets
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     Porzingis is never going to get to 260, he doesn’t have anywhere near the frame to carry that sort of weight

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  • #1004940
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    he_gets_buckets
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     Porzingis is never going to get to 260, he doesn’t have anywhere near the frame to carry that sort of weight

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    • #1005172
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      TheTruth86
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       240-245 would do it, though.

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    • #1005032
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       240-245 would do it, though.

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  • #1005091
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    you’re right Porzingis wont get to 260 but doesn’t need to be 260 pounds.. Some of you guys put way to much stock into physical weight that you forget this kid is 7’1 at the least and is pretty long.. Joakim Noah has narrow shoulders and put some pretty good size on himself.. I think Porzingis will turn into a pretty decent defender.

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  • #1004953
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    you’re right Porzingis wont get to 260 but doesn’t need to be 260 pounds.. Some of you guys put way to much stock into physical weight that you forget this kid is 7’1 at the least and is pretty long.. Joakim Noah has narrow shoulders and put some pretty good size on himself.. I think Porzingis will turn into a pretty decent defender.

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  • #1005103
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    Big time boom or bust prospect. The idea of a 7’1-7’3 big man with a 7’6 wingspan. no injury issues, great touch and range with multiple shooting moves, great body control and foot quickness is scary. Now develop that player in the triangle offence correctly and he has a chance to be one of the most potent offensive players Jackson ever coached or managed. This is what should be the Knicks end goal though not necessarily reality.

    In reality in order for Porzingis to play in the NBA he will have to defend. Right now its hard for me to even predict a position for him. He is so lanky he will get pushed around at C, and his core level doesn’t seem low enough to battle PFs in this league especially with the league going small. He needs to get past these barriers or else he will end up a pylon and the butt of jokes in the league.

    Porzingis projects as a player able to play any spot in the triangle offence. The point of the triangle offence is to promote swinging the ball around the court while using groups of three in a triangle movement always shifting. It can work in an infinite variety of ways and is constantly adapting depending on what defences give you.

    If Porzingis can operate outside the three pointline, high midrange, midrange, high post, and low post he will be super effective in that offence. But so many other things also have to happen  including his teammates following the structure and staying healthy to learn and forn the structure.

    Can’t wait to watch how he develops he could even be in contention for ROY if ihe adjusts fast. He only had Lopez, Williams, and O’Quinn to battle for minutes in the frontcourt so at worst he should get 15-mpg consistently.

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #1004965
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    Big time boom or bust prospect. The idea of a 7’1-7’3 big man with a 7’6 wingspan. no injury issues, great touch and range with multiple shooting moves, great body control and foot quickness is scary. Now develop that player in the triangle offence correctly and he has a chance to be one of the most potent offensive players Jackson ever coached or managed. This is what should be the Knicks end goal though not necessarily reality.

    In reality in order for Porzingis to play in the NBA he will have to defend. Right now its hard for me to even predict a position for him. He is so lanky he will get pushed around at C, and his core level doesn’t seem low enough to battle PFs in this league especially with the league going small. He needs to get past these barriers or else he will end up a pylon and the butt of jokes in the league.

    Porzingis projects as a player able to play any spot in the triangle offence. The point of the triangle offence is to promote swinging the ball around the court while using groups of three in a triangle movement always shifting. It can work in an infinite variety of ways and is constantly adapting depending on what defences give you.

    If Porzingis can operate outside the three pointline, high midrange, midrange, high post, and low post he will be super effective in that offence. But so many other things also have to happen  including his teammates following the structure and staying healthy to learn and forn the structure.

    Can’t wait to watch how he develops he could even be in contention for ROY if ihe adjusts fast. He only had Lopez, Williams, and O’Quinn to battle for minutes in the frontcourt so at worst he should get 15-mpg consistently.

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #1005127
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    T Rex

     Hopefully he’s already on the Carmelo Anthony Diet.

    Not that it matters. Knicks just signed Robin Lopez, Hello

    Larry Sanders played great defense at center, at 230 lbs, about what Porzingis weighs now.

    The only reason you wouldn’t want Porzingis playing too much center, too early, is because that’s like putting a snow plow on a Ferrari and hoping for the best.

    Most people had a really hard time fathoming how long Porzingis is, but his standing reach advantage at PF is probably something like 9" higher than the average NBA PF (8’10").

    This guy deserved way more respect all along, and he’s a legend in the making. He’ll probably play both positions at an all star level for most of his career.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #1004988
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     Hopefully he’s already on the Carmelo Anthony Diet.

    Not that it matters. Knicks just signed Robin Lopez, Hello

    Larry Sanders played great defense at center, at 230 lbs, about what Porzingis weighs now.

    The only reason you wouldn’t want Porzingis playing too much center, too early, is because that’s like putting a snow plow on a Ferrari and hoping for the best.

    Most people had a really hard time fathoming how long Porzingis is, but his standing reach advantage at PF is probably something like 9" higher than the average NBA PF (8’10").

    This guy deserved way more respect all along, and he’s a legend in the making. He’ll probably play both positions at an all star level for most of his career.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    • #1005147
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      Gronounours
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      I negged you. I’m sorry, but the steady flow and smugness of your bold statements are unbearable. 

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    • #1005008
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      Gronounours
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      I negged you. I’m sorry, but the steady flow and smugness of your bold statements are unbearable. 

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      • #1005182
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        T Rex

         Nice job. Neg the one guy who thought Rudy Gobert could be special. It’s not like Porzingis and Gobert have anything in common or anything, right buddy? 

         

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      • #1005042
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         Nice job. Neg the one guy who thought Rudy Gobert could be special. It’s not like Porzingis and Gobert have anything in common or anything, right buddy? 

         

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      • #1022564
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        T Rex

         Unbearable?

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      • #1022704
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         Unbearable?

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  • #1005141
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    Phil Jackson has Kyle O’Quinn and Robin Lopez to absorb some of those defensive growing pains.. As much a I hate the knicks I’m really excited about this kids development, he will be the first Rookie I’ll pay to watch

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    Phil Jackson has Kyle O’Quinn and Robin Lopez to absorb some of those defensive growing pains.. As much a I hate the knicks I’m really excited about this kids development, he will be the first Rookie I’ll pay to watch

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  • #1005149
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     First of all,Derek Fisher and the Knicks clearly stated that they’re gonna run less triangle offensc this season.

    Now Porzingis could be a center if he holds his own defensively. The position in the NBA is all a matter of who you guard not where youplay on offense. If he can protect the rim and not get destroyed by other centers,you’d better play him there,because that’s where he’ll have the biggest quickness advantage,and where his spacing would be the most useful. I’m not sure the lineups with let’s say Kyle O’quinn would be more effective than a Carmelo-Porzingis-Lopez. A small lineup with Melo at the 4 and Porzingis at the 5 would be great offensively .

     

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  • #1005010
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     First of all,Derek Fisher and the Knicks clearly stated that they’re gonna run less triangle offensc this season.

    Now Porzingis could be a center if he holds his own defensively. The position in the NBA is all a matter of who you guard not where youplay on offense. If he can protect the rim and not get destroyed by other centers,you’d better play him there,because that’s where he’ll have the biggest quickness advantage,and where his spacing would be the most useful. I’m not sure the lineups with let’s say Kyle O’quinn would be more effective than a Carmelo-Porzingis-Lopez. A small lineup with Melo at the 4 and Porzingis at the 5 would be great offensively .

     

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    • #1005066
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      Porzingis has the length, IQ, and heart to defend centers on at least a part time basis this year. Maybe not the top tier guys but definitely the lower level starters and backups. 

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    • #1005206
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      Porzingis has the length, IQ, and heart to defend centers on at least a part time basis this year. Maybe not the top tier guys but definitely the lower level starters and backups. 

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  • #1005164
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    I agree that Robin Lopez has been brought in to play C and whilst Porzingis will see time in that position, he will not be seen as major player there yet.

    The game has moved on a bit from the distinct SF and PF roles of recent times so the Knicks may play Melo and Porzingis more as duel forwards especially on the triangle offence but with the much larger Porzingis guarding the bigger opposition forward on defence.

    The Knicks prime aim with Porzingis this season IMO is to get him used to the triangle and figure out how best to use him in rotation. 

     

     

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  • #1005024
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    I agree that Robin Lopez has been brought in to play C and whilst Porzingis will see time in that position, he will not be seen as major player there yet.

    The game has moved on a bit from the distinct SF and PF roles of recent times so the Knicks may play Melo and Porzingis more as duel forwards especially on the triangle offence but with the much larger Porzingis guarding the bigger opposition forward on defence.

    The Knicks prime aim with Porzingis this season IMO is to get him used to the triangle and figure out how best to use him in rotation. 

     

     

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  • #1005178
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     If he can play C it’s a shame. Knick’s didn’t want to meet with LA this offseason because NY refused to let him play PF, they wanted him to play C

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     If he can play C it’s a shame. Knick’s didn’t want to meet with LA this offseason because NY refused to let him play PF, they wanted him to play C

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  • #1005180
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     Play him at Center or PF and run him off of screens. Put him in catch and shoot situations. When he is at PF let him post more often. Unleash his offense, dont lock it into a system. That wont work. Run the triangle on occasion, but the knicks need a guard who can get into the paint. Maybe Grant can do it. Melo mainly pulls up now a days.

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  • #1005040
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     Play him at Center or PF and run him off of screens. Put him in catch and shoot situations. When he is at PF let him post more often. Unleash his offense, dont lock it into a system. That wont work. Run the triangle on occasion, but the knicks need a guard who can get into the paint. Maybe Grant can do it. Melo mainly pulls up now a days.

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  • #1005058
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     I think he will be a center in five years.  PF right now, but he moves like a center and lacks great ballhandling skill.  He will just be a very unusual center with his ability to come off screens.  But he is too thin to play center right now, so he must play PF.  I do think his perimeter game will suffer initially, since his ballhandling skills are sub-par for a perimeter big – his center of gravity is just too high.

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  • #1005198
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     I think he will be a center in five years.  PF right now, but he moves like a center and lacks great ballhandling skill.  He will just be a very unusual center with his ability to come off screens.  But he is too thin to play center right now, so he must play PF.  I do think his perimeter game will suffer initially, since his ballhandling skills are sub-par for a perimeter big – his center of gravity is just too high.

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  • #1005080
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     Do you see a lot Robert Parish in him???

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     Do you see a lot Robert Parish in him???

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