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  • #60984
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    valentine

    Continuing on with my highly popular "6 Worst" series, are the aspects of the NBA which are really letting the sport down and making it less enjoyable to watch. 

    1) The Draft – Why on earth is the NBA awarding the best players to the worst teams? Doesn’t it make sense to allow natural market forces dictate which teams rookies sign for? This would eliminate tanking and teams would try harder to create a culture where good young players want to go. There’s a salary cap, so it’s not like teams will throw 40million at a 19yo rookie who won’t really help them win straight away. 

    2) Too many time-outs – An NBA game goes for too long that it’s unbearable to watch unless it’s recorded and viewers can skip through advertisements. Why on earth is there 20 second time-outs in the NBA and no-where else in the world? 3 time-outs total in each half is sufficient. Less advertisements please!

    3) All-Star Game – The ASG has turned into a joke. It’s not competitive and players are just goofing around. It’s a really bad look when the whole world is watching. I saw Russell Westbrook win MVP by cherry-picking his way to 40-something points. I’d rather a World vs US game. It would be competitive, and teams would have pride to play for. 

    4) Fouls In particular the Charge call, which is rewarding dangerous play by guys like Nick ‘The Brick" Collisson, and even worse is the foul on the jump shooter who basically throws himself into an slightly off-balance defender and heaves up an unrealistic shot. Kevin Durant, James Harden, Steph Curry…they all do it. If the shooter initiates the contact, no foul in my opinion. 

    5) Travels – Basically don’t exist in the NBA. Is this not a rule anymore? Lebron James is the biggest offender and he never gets called. Andre Iguodala tried to protest via his "travel dance", but even that shut down with a Technical Foul, which brings me to my last point..

    6) Technical Fouls – Refs are WAY too quick to call them. Players can’t even talk trash anymore, yet almost every fan will say how much they loved it back in the day. I’m on board with Flagrant Fouls…but the Referees will whistle a player just for showing a little emotion. 

    What do you think of my list. How would you improve the NBA?

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #1001587
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    ilike.panochas
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    The worst team doesnt always get the first pick. Thats why theres this thing called lottery. Unlike the NFL system.

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  • #1001444
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    ilike.panochas
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    The worst team doesnt always get the first pick. Thats why theres this thing called lottery. Unlike the NFL system.

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    • #1001591
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      Rip255

      Poor input, but nice profile pic. 

       

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    • #1001448
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      Rip255

      Poor input, but nice profile pic. 

       

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    • #1001505
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      bobbyb
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       Well there is an alternative, in Europe they have a relagation / promotion system. Teams at the bottom get sent to a lower division. This way you don’t tank.

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    • #1001649
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      bobbyb
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       Well there is an alternative, in Europe they have a relagation / promotion system. Teams at the bottom get sent to a lower division. This way you don’t tank.

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    • #1001507
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      bobbyb
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       Well there is an alternative, in Europe they have a relagation / promotion system. Teams at the bottom get sent to a lower division. This way you don’t tank.

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    • #1001651
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      bobbyb
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       Well there is an alternative, in Europe they have a relagation / promotion system. Teams at the bottom get sent to a lower division. This way you don’t tank.

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  • #1001593
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    Make’Em Say UGH
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    1) Fouls

    2) Fouls

    3) Fouls

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    6) Fouls

    I know that everyone does it (in relation to throwing your self into the defender) and during the course of an 82 game season plus playoffs…I’m not knocking it on occasion. But some of these players (*cough Harden) are just downright unbearable to watch. And what makes it worse is that they throw the biggest fits when the refs don’t buy it.

    People say "Well, even MJ did it" but I don’t think it was to this extent. It’s gone way too far. It needs to stop.

     

     

     

     

      

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  • #1001450
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    Make’Em Say UGH
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    1) Fouls

    2) Fouls

    3) Fouls

    4) Fouls

    5) Fouls

    6) Fouls

    I know that everyone does it (in relation to throwing your self into the defender) and during the course of an 82 game season plus playoffs…I’m not knocking it on occasion. But some of these players (*cough Harden) are just downright unbearable to watch. And what makes it worse is that they throw the biggest fits when the refs don’t buy it.

    People say "Well, even MJ did it" but I don’t think it was to this extent. It’s gone way too far. It needs to stop.

     

     

     

     

      

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  • #1001597
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    trelos6
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    1- The draft is ok. Maybe rework the lottery a bit to void tanking. But if you miss the playoffs, you should get a top 14 pick. 

    2- I dislike timeouts, but they lead to advertising revenue, which leads to more money in the game/higher salary cap etc. so it’s a necessary evil. 

    3- ASG is a joke, but the fans vote and they fet what they want. Fix the dunk contest. LaVine, Wiggins, Westbrook, Wall. 4 dunks each. 

    4- I don’t like the whole jumping into a defender thing either. Player is getting rewarded for faking the defender out, but the reward should be a drive into the lane for an easier shot.

    5- Don’t get me started on 6 step LeBron. The amount of traveling frustrates me.  Players know they’ll get away with it, so they continue to do it. 

    6- I don’t mind tech fouls. You can’t misbehave on national tv. It sets a bad example for the children watching. 

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  • #1001454
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    trelos6
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    1- The draft is ok. Maybe rework the lottery a bit to void tanking. But if you miss the playoffs, you should get a top 14 pick. 

    2- I dislike timeouts, but they lead to advertising revenue, which leads to more money in the game/higher salary cap etc. so it’s a necessary evil. 

    3- ASG is a joke, but the fans vote and they fet what they want. Fix the dunk contest. LaVine, Wiggins, Westbrook, Wall. 4 dunks each. 

    4- I don’t like the whole jumping into a defender thing either. Player is getting rewarded for faking the defender out, but the reward should be a drive into the lane for an easier shot.

    5- Don’t get me started on 6 step LeBron. The amount of traveling frustrates me.  Players know they’ll get away with it, so they continue to do it. 

    6- I don’t mind tech fouls. You can’t misbehave on national tv. It sets a bad example for the children watching. 

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  • #1001599
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    llperez

     1-completely disagree with you. We need competive balance and creating a draft where a 60 win team has the same chance of getting the top draft pick as a 20 win team will not benefit the league. the warriors and cavs played in the finals last year and each of their best players(leborn, curry) were drafted by the team when they sucked. The spurs, thunder, bulls etc… all got their best players from the draft. I like the thought of drafting a kid who could turn a franchise around like anthony davis is doing in new orleans. Now make it strictly a free agent session where the best teams could get those guys? Not a good thing for the league.

    2-time outs have never really bothered me. I do agre the combination of timeouts and fouls down the strtetch of games kills the momentum, but im not sure there is a good way to fix that. Plus you know the nba loves timeouts to make more money so if you take time outs away you take away sponsors and thus take away money from the teams/players pockets.

    3-agree about the all-star game. There isnt a single all-star game in any major sport that is worth a damn. At least the nba players try a little bit in the 4th quarter. If i were in charge, i would seriously make the dunk contest once every 3 years. It just the same damn dunks year after year with props now. If it was every 3 years, it would build anticipation. I honestly dont even watch the event anymore. Ill turn the channel after the 3 point contest(which if ind more exciting then dunk contest).

    4-agree with you 100% hate seeing guys "sliding" into postion after the offensive player is already in the air and getting the charge called in his favor. ANd the stupid announcers constantly ignore the fact the player was moving as the offensive guy was in the air and all they talk about is was he set when the contact was made and were his feet outside the restricted area. Hate that crap. Contest shots and play defense. I do believe the refs are doing a better job with the shooters jumping into the defender thing on jump shots though, i think the league is trying to crack down on that.

    5-the travel thing is awkward as hell. Guys constantly grab the ball turn their bodies to face the defneder and take a step in that direction all in one motion without getting called when they are receiving the ball. But in situations where the guy has the ball for a while and he faces him man down and then makes a move after being stationery for a bit, they call that first step constantly, no consistency on the calls.

    6-dont agree with you at all on 6. Refs put up with a ton of ish and let players speak all the time. I think what really upsets refs is when the call is obvious and the player still complains, i would have a short fuse too if i were a ref in thsoe situations. I remember rasheed wallace having some of his most epic melt downs when he was called for a foul and he would go into full hysterics then the replay would show he karate chooped the guy right on the arm. I would defenitely single out players who did that to me and have a shorter whistle for them.

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #1001456
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    llperez

     1-completely disagree with you. We need competive balance and creating a draft where a 60 win team has the same chance of getting the top draft pick as a 20 win team will not benefit the league. the warriors and cavs played in the finals last year and each of their best players(leborn, curry) were drafted by the team when they sucked. The spurs, thunder, bulls etc… all got their best players from the draft. I like the thought of drafting a kid who could turn a franchise around like anthony davis is doing in new orleans. Now make it strictly a free agent session where the best teams could get those guys? Not a good thing for the league.

    2-time outs have never really bothered me. I do agre the combination of timeouts and fouls down the strtetch of games kills the momentum, but im not sure there is a good way to fix that. Plus you know the nba loves timeouts to make more money so if you take time outs away you take away sponsors and thus take away money from the teams/players pockets.

    3-agree about the all-star game. There isnt a single all-star game in any major sport that is worth a damn. At least the nba players try a little bit in the 4th quarter. If i were in charge, i would seriously make the dunk contest once every 3 years. It just the same damn dunks year after year with props now. If it was every 3 years, it would build anticipation. I honestly dont even watch the event anymore. Ill turn the channel after the 3 point contest(which if ind more exciting then dunk contest).

    4-agree with you 100% hate seeing guys "sliding" into postion after the offensive player is already in the air and getting the charge called in his favor. ANd the stupid announcers constantly ignore the fact the player was moving as the offensive guy was in the air and all they talk about is was he set when the contact was made and were his feet outside the restricted area. Hate that crap. Contest shots and play defense. I do believe the refs are doing a better job with the shooters jumping into the defender thing on jump shots though, i think the league is trying to crack down on that.

    5-the travel thing is awkward as hell. Guys constantly grab the ball turn their bodies to face the defneder and take a step in that direction all in one motion without getting called when they are receiving the ball. But in situations where the guy has the ball for a while and he faces him man down and then makes a move after being stationery for a bit, they call that first step constantly, no consistency on the calls.

    6-dont agree with you at all on 6. Refs put up with a ton of ish and let players speak all the time. I think what really upsets refs is when the call is obvious and the player still complains, i would have a short fuse too if i were a ref in thsoe situations. I remember rasheed wallace having some of his most epic melt downs when he was called for a foul and he would go into full hysterics then the replay would show he karate chooped the guy right on the arm. I would defenitely single out players who did that to me and have a shorter whistle for them.

     

     

     

     

     

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    • #1001603
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      Rip255

      In regard to the 1st point….the best teams are more likely to be maxed out on salary and therefore wouldn’t be able to afford someone like KAT for 10million dollars (which is what he’d probably fetch). Teams like Philly are more likely to have cap space….but they’ve still gotta pay the market rate for it. 

       

       

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    • #1001460
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      Rip255

      In regard to the 1st point….the best teams are more likely to be maxed out on salary and therefore wouldn’t be able to afford someone like KAT for 10million dollars (which is what he’d probably fetch). Teams like Philly are more likely to have cap space….but they’ve still gotta pay the market rate for it. 

       

       

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  • #1001605
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    zcnumerouno
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    IMO, the worst thing about the NBA is the amount of fouls being called. Good defense is no longer being rewarded, which is why, IMO, the NBA isn’t as good as it once was (back in the 90s and before)

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  • #1001462
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    zcnumerouno
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    IMO, the worst thing about the NBA is the amount of fouls being called. Good defense is no longer being rewarded, which is why, IMO, the NBA isn’t as good as it once was (back in the 90s and before)

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    • #1001609
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      llperez

       heres the reality though, go back and research number of ft attempts per game over the last 30 years. The last 5 years are at an all time low by a wide margin. The late 80’s saw significantly more ft attempts per game then we see today. i did this reasearch about a year ago but off the top of my head we see about 7 less ft attempts per game last season then we saw around ’88-’89. 2013 and 2014 were the lowest ft attempts per game league wide the nba has ever seen since the 1940’s when the nba first existed.

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    • #1001466
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      llperez

       heres the reality though, go back and research number of ft attempts per game over the last 30 years. The last 5 years are at an all time low by a wide margin. The late 80’s saw significantly more ft attempts per game then we see today. i did this reasearch about a year ago but off the top of my head we see about 7 less ft attempts per game last season then we saw around ’88-’89. 2013 and 2014 were the lowest ft attempts per game league wide the nba has ever seen since the 1940’s when the nba first existed.

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      • #1001476
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        llperez

         im looking at the numbers on ft attempts right now. last season the league average was 22.8. ten years earlier in 2005 it was 26.1. Ten years before that in 1995 it was 27.1. ten years before that in 1985 with 29.4. in 1965 it was 35.6. In fact the greatest fta per game average in nba history prior to 1973(before 1973 it was ridiculous, every year teams were taking close to 40 ft’s per game) was 1987 with 30.5 ft attempts per game. the lowest in nba history was 2013 with 22.2 followed by 2012 with 22.5. And this isnt some kind of random up and down trend, its very consistent. The nba shot far more ft’s in the 60’s then they shot in the 70’s, more in the 70’s then they shot in the 80’s. More in the 80’s then they shot in the 90’s and more in the 90’s then they shoot today. The trend declining is very consistent. So the whole argument about how thye used to allow more contact and now guys get called all the time is absolutely false.

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        • #1001487
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          Chewy
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          Never would have assumed that from the eye test.

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        • #1001631
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          Chewy
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          Never would have assumed that from the eye test.

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        • #1001543
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          therealbballer
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           Well the league are shooting a lot more 3 pointers then it used to.. I guess you have to take that into consideration?

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        • #1001687
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          therealbballer
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           Well the league are shooting a lot more 3 pointers then it used to.. I guess you have to take that into consideration?

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      • #1001619
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        llperez

         im looking at the numbers on ft attempts right now. last season the league average was 22.8. ten years earlier in 2005 it was 26.1. Ten years before that in 1995 it was 27.1. ten years before that in 1985 with 29.4. in 1965 it was 35.6. In fact the greatest fta per game average in nba history prior to 1973(before 1973 it was ridiculous, every year teams were taking close to 40 ft’s per game) was 1987 with 30.5 ft attempts per game. the lowest in nba history was 2013 with 22.2 followed by 2012 with 22.5. And this isnt some kind of random up and down trend, its very consistent. The nba shot far more ft’s in the 60’s then they shot in the 70’s, more in the 70’s then they shot in the 80’s. More in the 80’s then they shot in the 90’s and more in the 90’s then they shoot today. The trend declining is very consistent. So the whole argument about how thye used to allow more contact and now guys get called all the time is absolutely false.

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  • #1001472
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    The Scare Crow Rises
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    1. What is your answer to the current draft process? You suggest a bidding system, a free agency period for prospects to determine where they go? Be serious, the NBA beats the NFL mode all day, there you can blatantly tank for the best pick in a strong draft, an expanded lottery might be the answer but I’ll leave it to Adam Silver and Rod Thorn…

    2. Although I agree Time-Outs can be excessive, the League has to pay the bills and their players are demanding ridiculous amounts of money these days, those bills and contracts are paid for partly by TV sponsorships and advertising deals, that means every 3-5 minutes we the fans will treated to an erectile disfunction disorder commercial, this is a cost of playing the game unfortunately…

    3. Maybe the NBA should take a MLB approach and determine home court in the finals on the court East vs West style, maybe the fans should be allowed to vote in the Dunk Contest contestants and the players voted in must participate unless they’re injured…The game should have a significant impact to the players and fans

    4. I agree Referees need to be trained better, they clearly need to adjust with the times and stop giving STAR players the benefit of doubt, there really is a 2 tier system when it comes to calling fouls and other rule violations, this had always been an issue and one I feel has to be address in the interest of fairness and the growth of the game, young players are learning bad habits due to inconsistent rule enforcement

    5. Players have always traveled, the bigger the star the bigger the chance the offenders will get away with it, same goes for push offs and other rule violations, see my line above about a 2 tier system of STARS and non Stars

    6. Refs have to flex their muscle or at least feel the need to, this is not new, the tough guy Refs need to be curbed but the players in this era ate incredibly disrespectful, some are straight up POS’s and deserve everything they get from the Refs, the abuse of power goes both ways though, players use their influence in the media to sway public opinion on Refs and the calls they make, Refs use their influence on the court where they hold the whistle and 1 technical foul call equals their entire paycheck for the month, the 2 tier system pops up here again only it becomes a case of Highly paid athletes being policed by lower paid officials…

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    • #1001485
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       It would be absolutely horrible if the NBA decided to adopt baseball’s answer to make the all star game important by giving the winning conference home court in the finals. I feel like that’s one of the more absurd notions that actually have been adopted and if I was a top baseball team I’d be pissed that a pointless game decided if I can get home field in the World Series or not. I don’t even like baseball and the notion makes me furious. It’s effectively benefiting or penalizing a team for a game they have little control over at best.

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    • #1001629
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       It would be absolutely horrible if the NBA decided to adopt baseball’s answer to make the all star game important by giving the winning conference home court in the finals. I feel like that’s one of the more absurd notions that actually have been adopted and if I was a top baseball team I’d be pissed that a pointless game decided if I can get home field in the World Series or not. I don’t even like baseball and the notion makes me furious. It’s effectively benefiting or penalizing a team for a game they have little control over at best.

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  • #1001615
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    The Scare Crow Rises
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    1. What is your answer to the current draft process? You suggest a bidding system, a free agency period for prospects to determine where they go? Be serious, the NBA beats the NFL mode all day, there you can blatantly tank for the best pick in a strong draft, an expanded lottery might be the answer but I’ll leave it to Adam Silver and Rod Thorn…

    2. Although I agree Time-Outs can be excessive, the League has to pay the bills and their players are demanding ridiculous amounts of money these days, those bills and contracts are paid for partly by TV sponsorships and advertising deals, that means every 3-5 minutes we the fans will treated to an erectile disfunction disorder commercial, this is a cost of playing the game unfortunately…

    3. Maybe the NBA should take a MLB approach and determine home court in the finals on the court East vs West style, maybe the fans should be allowed to vote in the Dunk Contest contestants and the players voted in must participate unless they’re injured…The game should have a significant impact to the players and fans

    4. I agree Referees need to be trained better, they clearly need to adjust with the times and stop giving STAR players the benefit of doubt, there really is a 2 tier system when it comes to calling fouls and other rule violations, this had always been an issue and one I feel has to be address in the interest of fairness and the growth of the game, young players are learning bad habits due to inconsistent rule enforcement

    5. Players have always traveled, the bigger the star the bigger the chance the offenders will get away with it, same goes for push offs and other rule violations, see my line above about a 2 tier system of STARS and non Stars

    6. Refs have to flex their muscle or at least feel the need to, this is not new, the tough guy Refs need to be curbed but the players in this era ate incredibly disrespectful, some are straight up POS’s and deserve everything they get from the Refs, the abuse of power goes both ways though, players use their influence in the media to sway public opinion on Refs and the calls they make, Refs use their influence on the court where they hold the whistle and 1 technical foul call equals their entire paycheck for the month, the 2 tier system pops up here again only it becomes a case of Highly paid athletes being policed by lower paid officials…

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  • #1001478
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    King Calucha
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    Yes, travels are never called, but overall I believe officiating is weak. That should be improved.

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    King Calucha
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    Yes, travels are never called, but overall I believe officiating is weak. That should be improved.

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  • #1001497
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    Bed Head
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    NOT a comment on the OP’s possible motivation for making this thread. So hopefully he won’t, like, act all defensive (like he did earlier).

    At any rate, regarding #6, what I don’t get is … sometimes the ref will hand out an extremely quick "T". Then the announcer will be like, "He must have heard the magic words."

    But what the hell does that mean? Is that just an expression or something? Or are there actually "magic words" that ensure a technical? And if so, why do people keep using them? Plus what are they?

    One time, I asked someone what the supposed words were and he said, "Abracadabra." Which was funny. Though I was like, "F*ck you."

    So, anyways, are those the magic words? "F*ck you," I mean? (Not abracadabra.) Because I don’t get it.

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  • #1001641
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    Bed Head
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    NOT a comment on the OP’s possible motivation for making this thread. So hopefully he won’t, like, act all defensive (like he did earlier).

    At any rate, regarding #6, what I don’t get is … sometimes the ref will hand out an extremely quick "T". Then the announcer will be like, "He must have heard the magic words."

    But what the hell does that mean? Is that just an expression or something? Or are there actually "magic words" that ensure a technical? And if so, why do people keep using them? Plus what are they?

    One time, I asked someone what the supposed words were and he said, "Abracadabra." Which was funny. Though I was like, "F*ck you."

    So, anyways, are those the magic words? "F*ck you," I mean? (Not abracadabra.) Because I don’t get it.

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  • #1001501
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    ItsVictorOladipo
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    Honestly the thing I’ve hated about the league for the last decade or so is how unbalanced the conferences are. I know there’s no easy solution to that but it’s annoying seeing teams miss the playoffs in the West that would be #5 or #6 seeds in the East. Or seeing #7 and #8 seeds in the West that would be able to realistically contend for the Eastern championship. 

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    • #1001557
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       In the 90s it was the opposite and the West had lousy teams making the playoffs and better East teams missing them. That’s one thing that isn’t great about the draft lottery because horrid teams can get bumped back and get marginal talent year after year. This year was the first time the T-Wolves won the lottery despite many mediocre years.

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    • #1001701
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       In the 90s it was the opposite and the West had lousy teams making the playoffs and better East teams missing them. That’s one thing that isn’t great about the draft lottery because horrid teams can get bumped back and get marginal talent year after year. This year was the first time the T-Wolves won the lottery despite many mediocre years.

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  • #1001645
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    ItsVictorOladipo
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    Honestly the thing I’ve hated about the league for the last decade or so is how unbalanced the conferences are. I know there’s no easy solution to that but it’s annoying seeing teams miss the playoffs in the West that would be #5 or #6 seeds in the East. Or seeing #7 and #8 seeds in the West that would be able to realistically contend for the Eastern championship. 

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  • #1001515
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    Rip255

     Thanks for all the great replies (even the haters…which are really fans). Unfortunately this was the last installment of my ‘6 worst’ series.

    Now that I have built a loyal fanbase, stay tuned for my upcoming video series Titled "Rip ‘n’ Run. 

     

     

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  • #1001659
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    Rip255

     Thanks for all the great replies (even the haters…which are really fans). Unfortunately this was the last installment of my ‘6 worst’ series.

    Now that I have built a loyal fanbase, stay tuned for my upcoming video series Titled "Rip ‘n’ Run. 

     

     

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  • #1001545
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    sitlbito
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     Basically I see most people mentionning officiating. But remember that a referee is basically a policeman,everyone expects you to be right all the time(and still hates you no matter what because it’s cool to hate you),and when you’re wrong you’re the most stupid people on the planet(because it’s cool to say that to a ref or a policeman). But the referee’s job isn’t easy at first,and it’s even more complicated in the NBA because the NBA seems to have so many unofficial rules like "yeah but you should reward this reward that" and there’s also the "everything was better with handchecking" crowd,who may not know that,in Europe,the first thing you learn is "you don’t guard with your hands,but with your legs/body". But for whatever reason the 90s fans tell you it was cool,for something that’s clearly not basketball. 

    I watched a few games of our french women national team in the women eurobasket,and the officiating is much more simple. The one who initiates the contact,foul. no "let them play!","favor toughness!","actual defense" and all that crap. AND THE GIRLS ARE NOT WHINING ON EVERY PLAY! DAMN!

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  • #1001689
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    sitlbito
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     Basically I see most people mentionning officiating. But remember that a referee is basically a policeman,everyone expects you to be right all the time(and still hates you no matter what because it’s cool to hate you),and when you’re wrong you’re the most stupid people on the planet(because it’s cool to say that to a ref or a policeman). But the referee’s job isn’t easy at first,and it’s even more complicated in the NBA because the NBA seems to have so many unofficial rules like "yeah but you should reward this reward that" and there’s also the "everything was better with handchecking" crowd,who may not know that,in Europe,the first thing you learn is "you don’t guard with your hands,but with your legs/body". But for whatever reason the 90s fans tell you it was cool,for something that’s clearly not basketball. 

    I watched a few games of our french women national team in the women eurobasket,and the officiating is much more simple. The one who initiates the contact,foul. no "let them play!","favor toughness!","actual defense" and all that crap. AND THE GIRLS ARE NOT WHINING ON EVERY PLAY! DAMN!

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  • #1001561
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    rope
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     One of the off court things that has always bothered me is the influence that various state tax rates affect free agent choices.  California has a tax rate, as high as 12% Texas has 0%.  This is evened out a tiny bit, as players a for the most part taxed in the state they play the game, not just in their home state.  Unfortunately, most of the high tax rates are in the East and lower rates in the West / South.

    I’d like to see player contracts "net after taxes."  I had a contract like this when I had a job that was hlaf in Europe and half in the US.  It is a math problem, but could be done.

    This would also have to be done so it doesn’t hurt clubs in high tax states, as they would have to make up a larger amount of taxes if net contracts were implemented in isolation,

    If all salary moneys were paid into a common pool and dispensed to the players based on this new formula, free agents would be able to focus more on the basketball aspects of their choices.  The clubs would have an even playing field.  If you want to know one of the reasons the Lakers focused on off court opportunities in their first meeting with DJ, it is somewhat because they have to convince the guy he can make up for a 10% or more deficit versus the Texas clubs.

     

     

     

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    • #1001576
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      The Q
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       Don’t even get me started on the absurdity of the jock tax. 

      Especially when you consider that players get fined if they don’t go to pracice, meaning that states are claiming too much of the income as being earned in their state (only counting games) when going to practice is clearly a part of the player’s job description. 

      It’s a vast overreach by the states to do a free money grab. 

       

       

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    • #1001719
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      The Q
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       Don’t even get me started on the absurdity of the jock tax. 

      Especially when you consider that players get fined if they don’t go to pracice, meaning that states are claiming too much of the income as being earned in their state (only counting games) when going to practice is clearly a part of the player’s job description. 

      It’s a vast overreach by the states to do a free money grab. 

       

       

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  • #1001705
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    rope
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     One of the off court things that has always bothered me is the influence that various state tax rates affect free agent choices.  California has a tax rate, as high as 12% Texas has 0%.  This is evened out a tiny bit, as players a for the most part taxed in the state they play the game, not just in their home state.  Unfortunately, most of the high tax rates are in the East and lower rates in the West / South.

    I’d like to see player contracts "net after taxes."  I had a contract like this when I had a job that was hlaf in Europe and half in the US.  It is a math problem, but could be done.

    This would also have to be done so it doesn’t hurt clubs in high tax states, as they would have to make up a larger amount of taxes if net contracts were implemented in isolation,

    If all salary moneys were paid into a common pool and dispensed to the players based on this new formula, free agents would be able to focus more on the basketball aspects of their choices.  The clubs would have an even playing field.  If you want to know one of the reasons the Lakers focused on off court opportunities in their first meeting with DJ, it is somewhat because they have to convince the guy he can make up for a 10% or more deficit versus the Texas clubs.

     

     

     

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  • #1001572
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    The Q
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     Let me drop some knowledge on your guys about "competitive balance." 

    It’s the league flat out lying to you. They don’t care about competitive balance. It’s a nice buzzword that they know the masses will eat up becuse most are dumb (see all the ignorant commnets that come out during a labor dispute). 

    The draft is 100% about CONTROLLING PLAYER SALARIES. 

    Try using google scholar for this as well, you’ll see what’s really going on. 

    But if you’re going to have a draft…the worst teams need to get the best players. You can’t have CLE coming up from 9 for Bennett (even if he sucks) or Chicago moving up from 8 to get Rose. Those are just ridiculous. 

    I actually liked the idea that was on grantland about giving the teams the slot value money to sign whatever players they can, but they have to RECRUIT the player to the team. Make them actually do some work. 

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #1001715
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    The Q
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     Let me drop some knowledge on your guys about "competitive balance." 

    It’s the league flat out lying to you. They don’t care about competitive balance. It’s a nice buzzword that they know the masses will eat up becuse most are dumb (see all the ignorant commnets that come out during a labor dispute). 

    The draft is 100% about CONTROLLING PLAYER SALARIES. 

    Try using google scholar for this as well, you’ll see what’s really going on. 

    But if you’re going to have a draft…the worst teams need to get the best players. You can’t have CLE coming up from 9 for Bennett (even if he sucks) or Chicago moving up from 8 to get Rose. Those are just ridiculous. 

    I actually liked the idea that was on grantland about giving the teams the slot value money to sign whatever players they can, but they have to RECRUIT the player to the team. Make them actually do some work. 

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #1001574
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    The Q
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     Now for my list: 

    1) The Refs. The NBA has already proven to have rigged games in the past. The officiating is an abomination. Players get preferential treatment…it has to stop. 

    ps NOTHING wrong with the charge. Why people think players should be able to drive in completely out of control, create 100% of the contact and get rewarded is baffling to me. If anything we need MORE charges so teams move the ball around and shoot more jumpers. That would create more spacing that the nba desires. 

    2) Tanking- from the Spurs of 97 who really made it a thing to now to the Sixers. It’s terrible for the league that teams are just flat out not trying. 

    3) Hack a Shaq- The national high school federation can solve this problem with a signle rule…yet the NBA idiots can’t figure it out? It’s flat out an intentional foul every time. Treat it as such and it will stop…fast. 

    4) Time out, ball advancement. Seriously, if there was any question that the NBA was more like WWE than Major League Baseball, this is it. You do nothing and get to move the ball 3/4 of the way down? 

    5) the current CBA. The lack of sign and trades is just no fun. 

    6) The rulebook….can we please call the game by the rules? It’s bad enough that travling and carrying are never called. But they have made rule changes to help/hurt specific players (the anti-shaq rules to stop the early 2000 Lakers, which were all terrible rules; legalzing the clearly illegal eurostep to help the spurs, legalizing Lebron’s crab dribble etc.). Call the game correctly, with real basketball rules, not their WWNBA version. 

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    • #1001582
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      mcgee555
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      I don’t think the Spurs really tanked all that much in 96-97. That is, unless they broke David Robinson’s foot on purpose. 

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      • #1001729
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        The Q
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         He could’ve come back with like 40 games left and they shut him down for the year. 

         

        They shamelessly tanked away a solid playoff team for a shot at the ping pong balls and the NBA did it to keep them in SA because there were rumors of Robinson retiring. 

         

         

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      • #1001586
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        The Q
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         He could’ve come back with like 40 games left and they shut him down for the year. 

         

        They shamelessly tanked away a solid playoff team for a shot at the ping pong balls and the NBA did it to keep them in SA because there were rumors of Robinson retiring. 

         

         

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        • #1001735
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          mcgee555
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          So I’m guessing Chuck Person’s back surgery, Charles Smith’s 65 missed games due to knee injury, and Sean Elliot’s injured knees was all part of the huge plan to tank and not even finish last or second to last in the league? If anyone tanked in 96-97 it was Boston.

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        • #1001592
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          mcgee555
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          So I’m guessing Chuck Person’s back surgery, Charles Smith’s 65 missed games due to knee injury, and Sean Elliot’s injured knees was all part of the huge plan to tank and not even finish last or second to last in the league? If anyone tanked in 96-97 it was Boston.

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    • #1001725
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      mcgee555
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      I don’t think the Spurs really tanked all that much in 96-97. That is, unless they broke David Robinson’s foot on purpose. 

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  • #1001717
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    The Q
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     Now for my list: 

    1) The Refs. The NBA has already proven to have rigged games in the past. The officiating is an abomination. Players get preferential treatment…it has to stop. 

    ps NOTHING wrong with the charge. Why people think players should be able to drive in completely out of control, create 100% of the contact and get rewarded is baffling to me. If anything we need MORE charges so teams move the ball around and shoot more jumpers. That would create more spacing that the nba desires. 

    2) Tanking- from the Spurs of 97 who really made it a thing to now to the Sixers. It’s terrible for the league that teams are just flat out not trying. 

    3) Hack a Shaq- The national high school federation can solve this problem with a signle rule…yet the NBA idiots can’t figure it out? It’s flat out an intentional foul every time. Treat it as such and it will stop…fast. 

    4) Time out, ball advancement. Seriously, if there was any question that the NBA was more like WWE than Major League Baseball, this is it. You do nothing and get to move the ball 3/4 of the way down? 

    5) the current CBA. The lack of sign and trades is just no fun. 

    6) The rulebook….can we please call the game by the rules? It’s bad enough that travling and carrying are never called. But they have made rule changes to help/hurt specific players (the anti-shaq rules to stop the early 2000 Lakers, which were all terrible rules; legalzing the clearly illegal eurostep to help the spurs, legalizing Lebron’s crab dribble etc.). Call the game correctly, with real basketball rules, not their WWNBA version. 

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #1001743
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    rtbt
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    First, the NBA isn’t as bad as the NCAA where teams have a total of 10 timeouts plus they stop the game every 4 minutes for a never ending series of commercials. That’s 18 timeouts in a 40 minute game That is obscene.

    Second, having said the above, the last 2 minutes of an NBA game can easily take 10-15 minutes in real time. That must be changed. I have 2 suggestions.

    1. Reduce the number of team timeouts or limit the number of timeouts they can use in the last 2 minutes of the game. 

    2. In return for reducing the number of team timeouts, give teams the option of moving the ball to the front court after a basket or made foul shot by their opponent in the last 2 minutes of the game. In other words, if their opponent scores in the last 2 minutes, the clock stops, and the other team can take the ball out in the front court instead of under their opponent’s basket.

     

     

     

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  • #1001600
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    rtbt
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    First, the NBA isn’t as bad as the NCAA where teams have a total of 10 timeouts plus they stop the game every 4 minutes for a never ending series of commercials. That’s 18 timeouts in a 40 minute game That is obscene.

    Second, having said the above, the last 2 minutes of an NBA game can easily take 10-15 minutes in real time. That must be changed. I have 2 suggestions.

    1. Reduce the number of team timeouts or limit the number of timeouts they can use in the last 2 minutes of the game. 

    2. In return for reducing the number of team timeouts, give teams the option of moving the ball to the front court after a basket or made foul shot by their opponent in the last 2 minutes of the game. In other words, if their opponent scores in the last 2 minutes, the clock stops, and the other team can take the ball out in the front court instead of under their opponent’s basket.

     

     

     

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  • #1001754
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    Biggysmalls
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     I still find it amazing that people say the 76ers were tanking but not a peep about the Lakers and Knicks…both those teams were tanking but because they go big game hunting in free agency people don’t care? 

    That first point about the draft would make the competitve balance of the league worse than it already is. The worst teams get the top picks, I don’t understand how people don’t get that concept. The worst teams are usually the worst because they need better players. Good teams don’t "tank". 

    Here are some of the things I think are worst about the NBA

    1. Player Options: Everybody gets a player option. There are too many of them and every player always opts out creating ridiculous amounts of free agents every year. Its unbelieveable how many guys are on the market every offseason and it gets annoying in my opinion.

    2. Max contracts: I don’t like that individual players can get maxed out for how much money they can make and teams can be maxed for how much they can offer. If the max amount is 20 mil and LA and Minnesota offer it, what offer is almost every player taking? Could it potentially backfire for stupid teams? Yes, but it would potentially even the playing field for small market teams that can’t draw as much because every team can offer the same amount. 

    3. Refs: refs are terrible. The job isn’t easy, but these guys are paid handsomly to do it, so do it better. They are the reason the hack a shaq rule scares me because not ALL off ball fouls should result in intentional fouls. Refs should be able to tell the difference. 

    If a guy is trying to prevent JJ Redick from coming off a screen and fouls him, that shouldn’t be perceived as the same kind of off ball foul as chasing DeAndre Jordan to the concession stand to foul him to get FTs. I fear refs are too stupid to know the difference and they will create a black n white rule which will ruin end of games. 

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #1001610
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    Biggysmalls
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     I still find it amazing that people say the 76ers were tanking but not a peep about the Lakers and Knicks…both those teams were tanking but because they go big game hunting in free agency people don’t care? 

    That first point about the draft would make the competitve balance of the league worse than it already is. The worst teams get the top picks, I don’t understand how people don’t get that concept. The worst teams are usually the worst because they need better players. Good teams don’t "tank". 

    Here are some of the things I think are worst about the NBA

    1. Player Options: Everybody gets a player option. There are too many of them and every player always opts out creating ridiculous amounts of free agents every year. Its unbelieveable how many guys are on the market every offseason and it gets annoying in my opinion.

    2. Max contracts: I don’t like that individual players can get maxed out for how much money they can make and teams can be maxed for how much they can offer. If the max amount is 20 mil and LA and Minnesota offer it, what offer is almost every player taking? Could it potentially backfire for stupid teams? Yes, but it would potentially even the playing field for small market teams that can’t draw as much because every team can offer the same amount. 

    3. Refs: refs are terrible. The job isn’t easy, but these guys are paid handsomly to do it, so do it better. They are the reason the hack a shaq rule scares me because not ALL off ball fouls should result in intentional fouls. Refs should be able to tell the difference. 

    If a guy is trying to prevent JJ Redick from coming off a screen and fouls him, that shouldn’t be perceived as the same kind of off ball foul as chasing DeAndre Jordan to the concession stand to foul him to get FTs. I fear refs are too stupid to know the difference and they will create a black n white rule which will ruin end of games. 

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    • #1001757
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      llperez

       lakers are actively trying to go after free agents and improve the roster. sixers are actively trying to get rid of their best players and get worse. 

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      llperez

       lakers are actively trying to go after free agents and improve the roster. sixers are actively trying to get rid of their best players and get worse. 

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  • #1001813
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    Biggysmalls
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    The 76ers had like 5 draft picks this year. They drafted the best player on the board in Okafor. They had a boatload of picks the year before. They’ve loaded up on future picks. How is that trying to get worse? 

    They are building through the draft…sure it may be extreme but the Lakers/Heat/Knicks selling out for Free Agents could be viewed as extreme too. 

    Look I’m not trying to make this into another 76er tank discussion—there are plenty of those during the week for people to defend and others to tear down. 

    I just don’t think they are what is wrong with the NBA. The league has done that themselves, creating a culture where free agency and stars teaming up has become more of a draw than the actual games and competitive balance. 

     

     

     

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  • #1001670
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    Biggysmalls
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    The 76ers had like 5 draft picks this year. They drafted the best player on the board in Okafor. They had a boatload of picks the year before. They’ve loaded up on future picks. How is that trying to get worse? 

    They are building through the draft…sure it may be extreme but the Lakers/Heat/Knicks selling out for Free Agents could be viewed as extreme too. 

    Look I’m not trying to make this into another 76er tank discussion—there are plenty of those during the week for people to defend and others to tear down. 

    I just don’t think they are what is wrong with the NBA. The league has done that themselves, creating a culture where free agency and stars teaming up has become more of a draw than the actual games and competitive balance. 

     

     

     

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