2014 draft class in one year insight

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Posted on: Sat, 07/11/2015 - 11:33am #60913

kobyz
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with prespective of one year this is how the lottery should have gone:
1. Andrew Wiggins – rookie of the year, prove that he’s worth that #1 spot, amazing athlete and phisical tools, a student of the game, great foundamental player, has somewhat even old school type game, feel for the game and polish should keep geeting better and make him dominate force… comparison: Julius Erving
2. Jabari Parker – i think he did enough to show he worth this spot, has natural feel for the game, nice skill set and great iq, very aggresive, taking everything to the basket, hopfully his injury will not hurt him for the future… comparison: more aggresive Jamal Mashburn
3. Rodney Hood – was #23 pick, for sure the steal of the draft, his nickname should be "no mistake" cause he’s playing with such under control, see the game and keeping it simple and never make mistakes. smooth shooting strock, can creat and getting to the basket after a closeout… comparison: Allen Houston/Ray Allen
4. Marcos Smart – ultimate competitor, combo guard who create offense and play fantastic defense… comparison: smaller Brandon Roy meets Tony Allen
5. Elfrid Payton – move up 5 spot from his original spot. realalready very good floor general… comparison: Rod Strickland
6. Aaron Gordon: was drafted 4, at that time was consider a ritch, now after promise rookie season not so much, comparison: Cliff Robinson
7. Dario Saric – amazing euro talent. comparison: Antoine Walker/ Tom Gogliota
8. Zach Lavine – prove in his rookie campaign that has the drive to become better and has the talent to become scoring machine. comparison: Stephon Marbory
9. Julius Randle – still hard to tell how he will be as nba player after he miss all rookie season, lower him to the #9 spot. comparison: Shareef Abdur Rahim
10. Joel Embiid – With the latest news about his foot needed another surgery i have to drop him at least to the 10 spot as a gamble. comparison: Patrick Ewing/Greg Oden
11. Clint Capela – big guy with great length and athletic ability and non stop activity, a steal at 25, comparison: Marcus Camby
12. Dante Exum – big lead guard with tools to get to the basket at will, comparison: Ron Harper
13. Jusuf Nurkic – phisical presence inside with good touch, comparison: Al Jefferson
14. Mitch McGary – good all around game, great passing bigman, comparison: better Tiago Splitter

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Posted on: Sat, 07/11/2015 - 11:42am #999944

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I’m wondering if you made this just to piss people off?
While Rodney Hood is a nice looking player he is not worthy of the third spot.
And then you make his comparison: Ray Allen/ Allan Houston.
And for Pete’s sake can you spell anyone’s name right?

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- Posted on: Sat, 07/11/2015 - 12:15pm #999956
  
  kobyz
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  Why not worthy? He has the potential to reach the level of a klay Thompson… Sorry for the spelling mistakes, I’m wrote it while very tired as it’s 1 a.m. Here And my English not the best also..,
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- Posted on: Sat, 07/11/2015 - 12:15pm #1000102
  
  kobyz
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  Why not worthy? He has the potential to reach the level of a klay Thompson… Sorry for the spelling mistakes, I’m wrote it while very tired as it’s 1 a.m. Here And my English not the best also..,
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Posted on: Sat, 07/11/2015 - 11:42am #1000090

drpleasant
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I’m wondering if you made this just to piss people off?
While Rodney Hood is a nice looking player he is not worthy of the third spot.
And then you make his comparison: Ray Allen/ Allan Houston.
And for Pete’s sake can you spell anyone’s name right?

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Posted on: Sat, 07/11/2015 - 11:51am #999946

Roland209
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when I read Marcos Smart.
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Posted on: Sat, 07/11/2015 - 11:51am #1000092

Roland209
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when I read Marcos Smart.
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Posted on: Sat, 07/11/2015 - 11:58am #999950

For_Never_Ever
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I’m a Celtics guy. I shook my head at what you wrote for Marcus Smart.
The guy that surprised me the most is Rodney Hood. I didn’t think he was good coming out, and he has proved me wrong. He can play, and should become a starter for the Jazz over Burks.

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- Posted on: Sat, 07/11/2015 - 12:04pm #999952
  
  BleedGreen808
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  Don’t worry he was talking about Marcos Smart not Marcus Smart.
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  - Posted on: Sat, 07/11/2015 - 12:25pm #999958
    
    kobyz
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    Spelling mistake, big deal!
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    - Posted on: Sat, 07/11/2015 - 1:09pm #999964
      
      For_Never_Ever
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      I don’t care about the spelling.
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    - Posted on: Sat, 07/11/2015 - 1:09pm #1000110
      
      For_Never_Ever
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      I don’t care about the spelling.
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  - Posted on: Sat, 07/11/2015 - 12:25pm #1000104
    
    kobyz
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    Spelling mistake, big deal!
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- Posted on: Sat, 07/11/2015 - 12:04pm #1000098
  
  BleedGreen808
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  Don’t worry he was talking about Marcos Smart not Marcus Smart.
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Posted on: Sat, 07/11/2015 - 11:58am #1000096

For_Never_Ever
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I’m a Celtics guy. I shook my head at what you wrote for Marcus Smart.
The guy that surprised me the most is Rodney Hood. I didn’t think he was good coming out, and he has proved me wrong. He can play, and should become a starter for the Jazz over Burks.

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Posted on: Sat, 07/11/2015 - 1:31pm #999966

KerouacJack
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After one year, with the exception of Wiggins, Parker and maybe Smart, I think most GMs would take Nurkic over everyone on the list.
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Posted on: Sat, 07/11/2015 - 1:31pm #1000112

KerouacJack
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After one year, with the exception of Wiggins, Parker and maybe Smart, I think most GMs would take Nurkic over everyone on the list.
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Posted on: Sat, 07/11/2015 - 5:00pm #999978

Taylor Gang Mike
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Wiggins, Parker, Lavine and Gordon would be top 4 easily based off Rookie seasons. I may even put Lavine ahead of Parker because Lavine’s potential is crazy
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- Posted on: Sat, 07/11/2015 - 7:15pm #999994
  
  T Rex
  Smart is the best rookie from this class. And who do you want leading your team in the NBA Finals, Smart or Wiggins? Which one instills confidence and swagger in his teammates? Which one makes his teammates better?
  Which one takes charges? Which one doesn’t?
  There’s a million little and not so little ways Smart is superior to all these guys, that don’t show up in the box score.
  MCW would have put up the same numbers as Wiggins in Minny. Big stats on the worst team in the league. Wiggins had by far the lowest plus minus in the league.
  Smart is like Chauncey Billups offense with Tony Allen’s defense. His teams are just going to overachieve year after year, where Wiggins’ teams will always be short on leadership.
  
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  - Posted on: Sun, 07/12/2015 - 9:18am #1000310
    
    KerouacJack
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    Your statement is laughable. Literally every single GM and coach would rather have Wiggins leading their team.
    Smart sucks on offense evidenced by his sub 37% shooting. The celtics play crap teams more often than not in the East. Wiggins is learning and thriving in the West. So what if he takes more charges?! That affects a game like what once every ten games? It’s almost meaningless.
    I’d rather have a future Kobe than a future Tony Allen
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  - Posted on: Sun, 07/12/2015 - 9:18am #1000164
    
    KerouacJack
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    Your statement is laughable. Literally every single GM and coach would rather have Wiggins leading their team.
    Smart sucks on offense evidenced by his sub 37% shooting. The celtics play crap teams more often than not in the East. Wiggins is learning and thriving in the West. So what if he takes more charges?! That affects a game like what once every ten games? It’s almost meaningless.
    I’d rather have a future Kobe than a future Tony Allen
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    - Posted on: Sun, 07/12/2015 - 10:43am #1000318
      
      T Rex
      I’d rather have the guy much closer to the Kobe mentality, rather than the young Jeff Green mentality.
      
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    - Posted on: Sun, 07/12/2015 - 10:43am #1000171
      
      T Rex
      I’d rather have the guy much closer to the Kobe mentality, rather than the young Jeff Green mentality.
      
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    - Posted on: Sun, 07/12/2015 - 10:59am #1000193
      
      T Rex
      Marcus Smart led teams play with swagger. Wiggins "led" teams smile while losing by 30.
      
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      - Posted on: Sun, 07/12/2015 - 11:09am #1000199
        
        KerouacJack
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        How do you lead with swagger? How do you even measure it? That’s one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard.
        Hes better because he’s got more swagger… This isn’t a rap battle.
        Have you ever heard of quiet leaders who lead with example and actions rather than words? Stephen Curry and Anthony Davis come to mind…
        Minnestoa is bad because they lost their old franchise player in Kevin Love and have the youngest roster in the league not because Wiggins solely brought them down.
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        Posted on: Sun, 07/12/2015 - 11:38am #1000201
        
        T Rex
        You misread, or you wouldn’t be so confused. I said Smart led TEAMS play with swagger.
        And just because a trait doesn’t show up in the box score, or count as points in fantasy basketball, doesn’t make it irrelevant. Very relevant.
        
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        Posted on: Sun, 07/12/2015 - 11:49am #1000207
        
        KerouacJack
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        Well Wiggins does things that DO show up in the box score. Like scoring. Which is what franchise players do. Marcus Smart isn’t a franchise player and not just because he can’t shoot for anything. Wiggins could tear his ACL tomorrow and miss the entire season and teams would still want him over Smart.
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        Posted on: Sun, 07/12/2015 - 11:53am #1000211
        
        KerouacJack
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        You’re right I did misread it. But just because teams play with swagger doesn’t mean anything. Teams can still suck with swagger. Swagger isnt an attribute or ability, it’s an act.
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        Posted on: Sun, 07/12/2015 - 12:04pm #1000213
        
        T Rex
        You’re an act. Acting like leadership doesn’t matter. Like embracing the big moment and stepping up your game doesn’t matter. Like inspiring confidence/swagger in one’s teammates doesn’t improve the quality of play, especially in the clutch.
        Wiggins has always been that guy who disappears in the big moments, but will go off once the stakes are lowered.
        Once Rondo got the boot, the Celtics were just about the best clutch team in the NBA, squeezing out the vast majority of close games, often with big shots, almost always with Smart on the court. Often with Smart making the big shot or the pass for the big shot.
        
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        Posted on: Tue, 07/14/2015 - 7:47am #1000742
        
        KerouacJack
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        I’m not trying to suggest that leadership isn’t important, simply that you do not have to exude "swagger" to be an effective leader. Either way, swagger is subjective, so its really just how you personally feel about and view Smart. However, if I recall correctly, Smart was very recently suspended for punching Matt Bonner in the groin back in April… I know right, such amazing leadership shown…
        
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        Posted on: Tue, 07/14/2015 - 8:03am #1000748
        
        kobyz
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        Smart has attributes to be elite leader, his mentality, demmener, toughness, competitiveness very like draymond green, you have to this kind of player to win title…
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        Posted on: Tue, 07/14/2015 - 8:25am #1000762
        
        KerouacJack
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        Sure, as a third or maybe even fourth option, but Wiggins is a legit #1 option already. Smart has defense on Wiggins right now but that’s all and we all know Wiggins has elite defensive potentail as well as offensive. My argument is simply that Wiggins is a much better choice than Smart if youre building a team. How anyone can argue that is laughable, Smart averaged what close to 8/3/3/1.5 (stls)? Those just arent numbers a franchise player puts up.
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        Posted on: Tue, 07/14/2015 - 8:25am #1000906
        
        KerouacJack
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        Sure, as a third or maybe even fourth option, but Wiggins is a legit #1 option already. Smart has defense on Wiggins right now but that’s all and we all know Wiggins has elite defensive potentail as well as offensive. My argument is simply that Wiggins is a much better choice than Smart if youre building a team. How anyone can argue that is laughable, Smart averaged what close to 8/3/3/1.5 (stls)? Those just arent numbers a franchise player puts up.
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        Posted on: Tue, 07/14/2015 - 8:03am #1000892
        
        kobyz
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        Smart has attributes to be elite leader, his mentality, demmener, toughness, competitiveness very like draymond green, you have to this kind of player to win title…
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        Posted on: Tue, 07/14/2015 - 7:47am #1000886
        
        KerouacJack
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        I’m not trying to suggest that leadership isn’t important, simply that you do not have to exude "swagger" to be an effective leader. Either way, swagger is subjective, so its really just how you personally feel about and view Smart. However, if I recall correctly, Smart was very recently suspended for punching Matt Bonner in the groin back in April… I know right, such amazing leadership shown…
        
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        Posted on: Sun, 07/12/2015 - 12:04pm #1000360
        
        T Rex
        You’re an act. Acting like leadership doesn’t matter. Like embracing the big moment and stepping up your game doesn’t matter. Like inspiring confidence/swagger in one’s teammates doesn’t improve the quality of play, especially in the clutch.
        Wiggins has always been that guy who disappears in the big moments, but will go off once the stakes are lowered.
        Once Rondo got the boot, the Celtics were just about the best clutch team in the NBA, squeezing out the vast majority of close games, often with big shots, almost always with Smart on the court. Often with Smart making the big shot or the pass for the big shot.
        
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        Posted on: Sun, 07/12/2015 - 11:53am #1000358
        
        KerouacJack
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        You’re right I did misread it. But just because teams play with swagger doesn’t mean anything. Teams can still suck with swagger. Swagger isnt an attribute or ability, it’s an act.
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        Posted on: Sun, 07/12/2015 - 11:49am #1000354
        
        KerouacJack
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        Well Wiggins does things that DO show up in the box score. Like scoring. Which is what franchise players do. Marcus Smart isn’t a franchise player and not just because he can’t shoot for anything. Wiggins could tear his ACL tomorrow and miss the entire season and teams would still want him over Smart.
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        Posted on: Sun, 07/12/2015 - 11:38am #1000348
        
        T Rex
        You misread, or you wouldn’t be so confused. I said Smart led TEAMS play with swagger.
        And just because a trait doesn’t show up in the box score, or count as points in fantasy basketball, doesn’t make it irrelevant. Very relevant.
        
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      - Posted on: Sun, 07/12/2015 - 11:09am #1000346
        
        KerouacJack
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        How do you lead with swagger? How do you even measure it? That’s one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard.
        Hes better because he’s got more swagger… This isn’t a rap battle.
        Have you ever heard of quiet leaders who lead with example and actions rather than words? Stephen Curry and Anthony Davis come to mind…
        Minnestoa is bad because they lost their old franchise player in Kevin Love and have the youngest roster in the league not because Wiggins solely brought them down.
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    - Posted on: Sun, 07/12/2015 - 10:59am #1000340
      
      T Rex
      Marcus Smart led teams play with swagger. Wiggins "led" teams smile while losing by 30.
      
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- Posted on: Sat, 07/11/2015 - 7:15pm #1000141
  
  T Rex
  Smart is the best rookie from this class. And who do you want leading your team in the NBA Finals, Smart or Wiggins? Which one instills confidence and swagger in his teammates? Which one makes his teammates better?
  Which one takes charges? Which one doesn’t?
  There’s a million little and not so little ways Smart is superior to all these guys, that don’t show up in the box score.
  MCW would have put up the same numbers as Wiggins in Minny. Big stats on the worst team in the league. Wiggins had by far the lowest plus minus in the league.
  Smart is like Chauncey Billups offense with Tony Allen’s defense. His teams are just going to overachieve year after year, where Wiggins’ teams will always be short on leadership.
  
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Posted on: Sat, 07/11/2015 - 5:00pm #1000124

Taylor Gang Mike
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Wiggins, Parker, Lavine and Gordon would be top 4 easily based off Rookie seasons. I may even put Lavine ahead of Parker because Lavine’s potential is crazy
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Posted on: Sat, 07/11/2015 - 8:01pm #1000001

ilike.panochas
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I would move LaVine in top 3. He has scary athletecism and length at the PG spot. And even as a SG, he has a chance to be dynamic, he looks like a taller Monta Ellis.
Im ready to label Exum as the most likely to bust (Embiid has injury for excuse). Im sorry but I just see zero assertiveness to ever be a lead guard. His vision is average and the only thing he has going for him is hes a 6’6 PG, which could potentialy make him a versatile defender, ala what Shaun Livingston currently is. I think Trey Burke will regain his starting spot sometime next season.
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- Posted on: Tue, 07/14/2015 - 9:07am #1000776
  
  chrispaulwall
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  trey burke shoots sub 40 and cant really pass. at least exum is young and is already a solid defender. its not like they need a load of scoring/distributing with Hayward/ and he can still grow into that.
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- Posted on: Tue, 07/14/2015 - 9:07am #1000920
  
  chrispaulwall
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  trey burke shoots sub 40 and cant really pass. at least exum is young and is already a solid defender. its not like they need a load of scoring/distributing with Hayward/ and he can still grow into that.
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Posted on: Sat, 07/11/2015 - 8:01pm #1000148

ilike.panochas
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I would move LaVine in top 3. He has scary athletecism and length at the PG spot. And even as a SG, he has a chance to be dynamic, he looks like a taller Monta Ellis.
Im ready to label Exum as the most likely to bust (Embiid has injury for excuse). Im sorry but I just see zero assertiveness to ever be a lead guard. His vision is average and the only thing he has going for him is hes a 6’6 PG, which could potentialy make him a versatile defender, ala what Shaun Livingston currently is. I think Trey Burke will regain his starting spot sometime next season.
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Posted on: Sun, 07/12/2015 - 1:06am #1000041

kobyz
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In which world my post worth that much thumb downs, just because of outside opinion?
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Posted on: Sun, 07/12/2015 - 1:06am #1000188

kobyz
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In which world my post worth that much thumb downs, just because of outside opinion?
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Posted on: Sun, 07/12/2015 - 2:46am #1000200

mgreener_34
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I’m pretty sure Jordon Clarkson would be a lottery pick (Most likely to Utah) if this was a redraft.

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Posted on: Sun, 07/12/2015 - 2:46am #1000052

mgreener_34
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I’m pretty sure Jordon Clarkson would be a lottery pick (Most likely to Utah) if this was a redraft.

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- Posted on: Sun, 07/12/2015 - 7:32am #1000240
  
  kobyz
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  You right, i forgot about him when I made the list, would have put him at #9…
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- Posted on: Sun, 07/12/2015 - 7:32am #1000093
  
  kobyz
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  You right, i forgot about him when I made the list, would have put him at #9…
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Posted on: Sun, 07/12/2015 - 11:40am #1000205

Rip255
Don’t worry about the negs man. That comes with the territory when forming an independent opinion on this forum.
Plus….is there anything worse than a Spelling Nazi? What is it about a typo that eats away at their soul? Does correcting a mistake give them a feeling of intelligence and superiority. Do they just have OCD? Either way…they’re way more annoying than the original spelling mistake ever was.
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- Posted on: Sun, 07/12/2015 - 11:49am #1000209
  
  T Rex
  The independent thinking was the threat. the spelling zionism was just an excuse to retaliate against the independent thinking.
  
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- Posted on: Sun, 07/12/2015 - 11:49am #1000356
  
  T Rex
  The independent thinking was the threat. the spelling zionism was just an excuse to retaliate against the independent thinking.
  
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- Posted on: Tue, 07/14/2015 - 9:30am #1000786
  
  Bed Head
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  "Plus … is there anything worse than a Spelling Nazi?"
  Yeah. For one thing, an actual Nazi.
  Anyways, I don’t mind misspellings (per se) provided the point remains reasonably clear and doesn’t require, like, re-reading the comment 10 times to make sense of it.
  Not sure you guys need to be promoting your typos as some sorta "badge of honor", however.
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- Posted on: Tue, 07/14/2015 - 9:30am #1000930
  
  Bed Head
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  "Plus … is there anything worse than a Spelling Nazi?"
  Yeah. For one thing, an actual Nazi.
  Anyways, I don’t mind misspellings (per se) provided the point remains reasonably clear and doesn’t require, like, re-reading the comment 10 times to make sense of it.
  Not sure you guys need to be promoting your typos as some sorta "badge of honor", however.
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Posted on: Sun, 07/12/2015 - 11:40am #1000352

Rip255
Don’t worry about the negs man. That comes with the territory when forming an independent opinion on this forum.
Plus….is there anything worse than a Spelling Nazi? What is it about a typo that eats away at their soul? Does correcting a mistake give them a feeling of intelligence and superiority. Do they just have OCD? Either way…they’re way more annoying than the original spelling mistake ever was.
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Posted on: Tue, 07/14/2015 - 11:13am #1000976

straightcash
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T Rex knows what he talking about. People underestimiating how much of an impact Marcus Smart has on the game.
A few other players to watch for who weren’t mentioned :
Noah Vonleh – only 19 and is big enough, very skilled, and a high IQ guy.
T.J. Warren – solid overall player , a natural scorer
I’m curious to see if Stauskas can make it , will probably get minutes off the bench this year
and Kyle Anderson – extremely poised, good fit for Spurs style if he can get in the mix.

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Posted on: Tue, 07/14/2015 - 11:13am #1000832

straightcash
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T Rex knows what he talking about. People underestimiating how much of an impact Marcus Smart has on the game.
A few other players to watch for who weren’t mentioned :
Noah Vonleh – only 19 and is big enough, very skilled, and a high IQ guy.
T.J. Warren – solid overall player , a natural scorer
I’m curious to see if Stauskas can make it , will probably get minutes off the bench this year
and Kyle Anderson – extremely poised, good fit for Spurs style if he can get in the mix.

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