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- Posted on: Wed, 07/01/2015 - 4:05am #60742
gopack10ParticipantWe all know about the cap situation over the next few years and with one a couple of the early agreements thus far, you can really see how outrageous some of the contracts are going to be moving forward.
And no, I’m not talking about Anthony Davis’ deal.
I’m referring to the reported deals for Khris Middleton and Al Farouq Aminu. Those two guys are reported to have deals for 5 years, $70M and 4 years $30M respectively. Think about that for a second.
And I’ll use Aminu’s deal to make my point as his is more ridiculous. No offense to him at all because he’s a good basketball player and deserves to be in the NBA but the Blazers just paid over $7M per year for a guy who is coming off of a season in which he averaged 5.6 points, 4.8 rebounds, less than a steal and less than a block per game.
Good for him that he was able to secure a deal like that but in no way is he worth that kind of money. I may get crushed for feeling that way but it is the truth. And we will see more and more of this over the next two summers as the cap sky rockets due to the new TV deal.
Thoughts?
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/01/2015 - 4:26am #996731
ChicagoCaseyParticipantKhris Middleton in my opinion desearves the money. He’s one of the best three point shooters in the league, on of the top wing defenders in the league, he’s only 23 years old, and the salary cap about to rise drastically. The Bucks couldn’t loss him due to the fact that he’s basically there only three point shooter.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/01/2015 - 4:26am #996585
ChicagoCaseyParticipantKhris Middleton in my opinion desearves the money. He’s one of the best three point shooters in the league, on of the top wing defenders in the league, he’s only 23 years old, and the salary cap about to rise drastically. The Bucks couldn’t loss him due to the fact that he’s basically there only three point shooter.
0- Posted on: Wed, 07/01/2015 - 4:52am #996741
XYRYXParticipantI agree that Middleton is probably worth the money but wasn’t the leagues biggest fear or argument in the last lockout/CBA negotiation that teams should be in a better position to actually make more profit?
Now think that the Bucks, who along with the Magic to me have one of the most talented rosters in the east in my opinion, need to extend Giannis, MCW and Jabari within the next few years. I know the cap might not be the biggest problem but do small market teams really make this much more money with the new TV deal?
Let’s just assume the following in two years:
MCW = 13 mio per year
Middleton = 14 mio
Giannis = 15 mio
Jabari = max at about 20 mio
random starting Center = 10 mio
I’m not saying it won’t work under the CBA but is everyone really expecting small market teams to be able to pay over 70 mio for their starting lineup? I have hard times believing this will work for most teams and I’m just wondering no one asks this question. The Salary Cap is one thing but do teams who will not be playing on national TV often really be able to get this done?
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/01/2015 - 4:52am #996595
XYRYXParticipantI agree that Middleton is probably worth the money but wasn’t the leagues biggest fear or argument in the last lockout/CBA negotiation that teams should be in a better position to actually make more profit?
Now think that the Bucks, who along with the Magic to me have one of the most talented rosters in the east in my opinion, need to extend Giannis, MCW and Jabari within the next few years. I know the cap might not be the biggest problem but do small market teams really make this much more money with the new TV deal?
Let’s just assume the following in two years:
MCW = 13 mio per year
Middleton = 14 mio
Giannis = 15 mio
Jabari = max at about 20 mio
random starting Center = 10 mio
I’m not saying it won’t work under the CBA but is everyone really expecting small market teams to be able to pay over 70 mio for their starting lineup? I have hard times believing this will work for most teams and I’m just wondering no one asks this question. The Salary Cap is one thing but do teams who will not be playing on national TV often really be able to get this done?
0- Posted on: Wed, 07/01/2015 - 9:16am #996881
machu46ParticipantIf you asked the players, they’d tell you the NBA teams have no problem making money, especially after the TV deal. The Bucks owners can easily pay the money. There’s a decent chance they end up paying for like 80% of the new stadium in Milwaukee too.
$14 million per year in a couple years will be the equivalent to about $8.5 million this past year, so Middleton’s deal is actually a bargain considering he’s a top 10 SG in the NBA and is only 23.
If Giannis and Jabari pan out, they’ll command far more than $15 and $20 million. Probably closer to $27 million each.
I’m not going to pretend I know how strong the small market teams are financially, but I highly doubt the NBA would increase the salary cap this much if the teams couldn’t afford it.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/01/2015 - 9:16am #996734
machu46ParticipantIf you asked the players, they’d tell you the NBA teams have no problem making money, especially after the TV deal. The Bucks owners can easily pay the money. There’s a decent chance they end up paying for like 80% of the new stadium in Milwaukee too.
$14 million per year in a couple years will be the equivalent to about $8.5 million this past year, so Middleton’s deal is actually a bargain considering he’s a top 10 SG in the NBA and is only 23.
If Giannis and Jabari pan out, they’ll command far more than $15 and $20 million. Probably closer to $27 million each.
I’m not going to pretend I know how strong the small market teams are financially, but I highly doubt the NBA would increase the salary cap this much if the teams couldn’t afford it.
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- Posted on: Wed, 07/01/2015 - 6:10am #996641
Stop_basketball_nonsenseParticipantI think its so sad a team has to throw an unreasonable amount of money at a player just because other team are ready to do the same.
Aminu is finally reaching his potential and showing he can shoot. He shot well and more in the playoffs so you can take 41% shooting in the reg season as you want to, but he can guards 4 positions. Kris is one of the more complete players under 25 & yes the bucks needs to keep their shooters. But almost 8 mil for aminu!? I’d give him around 5, maybe close to 6 after seeing his improvements in the playoffs. Kris, hell no, their are some players whose accomplishments far exceed his throughout their careers & they don’t get that.
Forget pluses & begs its time someone told the truth. The nba is starting to annoy me with this crap. I also blame poor coaching at the pre college level, if these young players were more developed who have come into the league these past couple years, specifically last 2 drafts then teams wouldn’t have 2 throw undeserved $ at players because there is not enough nba ready players to go around while waiting for young players to develop.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/01/2015 - 6:10am #996786
Stop_basketball_nonsenseParticipantI think its so sad a team has to throw an unreasonable amount of money at a player just because other team are ready to do the same.
Aminu is finally reaching his potential and showing he can shoot. He shot well and more in the playoffs so you can take 41% shooting in the reg season as you want to, but he can guards 4 positions. Kris is one of the more complete players under 25 & yes the bucks needs to keep their shooters. But almost 8 mil for aminu!? I’d give him around 5, maybe close to 6 after seeing his improvements in the playoffs. Kris, hell no, their are some players whose accomplishments far exceed his throughout their careers & they don’t get that.
Forget pluses & begs its time someone told the truth. The nba is starting to annoy me with this crap. I also blame poor coaching at the pre college level, if these young players were more developed who have come into the league these past couple years, specifically last 2 drafts then teams wouldn’t have 2 throw undeserved $ at players because there is not enough nba ready players to go around while waiting for young players to develop.
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- Posted on: Wed, 07/01/2015 - 5:04am #996747
FearTheStacheParticipantWith the salary cap going up dramatically within the next two years, all other financial means will rise proportionately with the cap. Paying 7.5 million for Al-Farouq Aminu next year is akin to about 4/5 million last year. Its all proportionate to the cap, same with the tv money teams earn, the luxury tax money teams earn, and the increasing value of an NBA team. Besides maybe Steve Ballmer, every owner is so up on their investment that an increase of 50-60 million in liabilities, subtracted by seemingly exponential profit, is pretty much negligible. Sorry, business major.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/01/2015 - 5:04am #996601
FearTheStacheParticipantWith the salary cap going up dramatically within the next two years, all other financial means will rise proportionately with the cap. Paying 7.5 million for Al-Farouq Aminu next year is akin to about 4/5 million last year. Its all proportionate to the cap, same with the tv money teams earn, the luxury tax money teams earn, and the increasing value of an NBA team. Besides maybe Steve Ballmer, every owner is so up on their investment that an increase of 50-60 million in liabilities, subtracted by seemingly exponential profit, is pretty much negligible. Sorry, business major.
0- Posted on: Wed, 07/01/2015 - 5:37am #996617
XYRYXParticipantIn short this means there should be no problem for teams paying this much money for their rosters because the salary cap is only rising due to the fact, that all incomes are also raising – right (~ 50% of BRI right?)
I’m jus wondering and the example of the Bucks is just an example I used even if I know, that Jabari for example is still on his rookie deal in 2 years. I was just assuming he wil get an early extension like AD or Kyrie got, even if they got the so called maxi max if I’m not mistaken due to All Star/All NBA team appearences.
I’m still a little bit in shock about how much money the players are getting now. Brook Lopez 3 year 60 million max, Millsap with 4 year 80 million deal if this reports are true.
Imagine the Cavs for example. If and this is more than likely, they resign LeBron and Love they will be paying 3/5 of their starting lineup up to 65 million per year. And if you throw in that both Love and LeBron maybe are going for shorter deals to maximise their money when the cap is even higher in let’s say 2 years, this could be even more.
Crazy what we considered overpaid/borderline overpaid not too long ago. When Faried for example signed his 5 year 60 million deal in 2014 everyone went crazy about that and now almost every starting caliber free agent cashes in at more than 12 million a year.
When I think about all of that I really hope the Thunder don’t resign Kanter even if he might be a missing piece for them. Can’t imagine what players like Waiters or Adams are going to ask for in a few years…
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/01/2015 - 5:37am #996762
XYRYXParticipantIn short this means there should be no problem for teams paying this much money for their rosters because the salary cap is only rising due to the fact, that all incomes are also raising – right (~ 50% of BRI right?)
I’m jus wondering and the example of the Bucks is just an example I used even if I know, that Jabari for example is still on his rookie deal in 2 years. I was just assuming he wil get an early extension like AD or Kyrie got, even if they got the so called maxi max if I’m not mistaken due to All Star/All NBA team appearences.
I’m still a little bit in shock about how much money the players are getting now. Brook Lopez 3 year 60 million max, Millsap with 4 year 80 million deal if this reports are true.
Imagine the Cavs for example. If and this is more than likely, they resign LeBron and Love they will be paying 3/5 of their starting lineup up to 65 million per year. And if you throw in that both Love and LeBron maybe are going for shorter deals to maximise their money when the cap is even higher in let’s say 2 years, this could be even more.
Crazy what we considered overpaid/borderline overpaid not too long ago. When Faried for example signed his 5 year 60 million deal in 2014 everyone went crazy about that and now almost every starting caliber free agent cashes in at more than 12 million a year.
When I think about all of that I really hope the Thunder don’t resign Kanter even if he might be a missing piece for them. Can’t imagine what players like Waiters or Adams are going to ask for in a few years…
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/01/2015 - 6:30am #996665
Stop_basketball_nonsenseParticipantI understand your points & I see after your math with the new salary cap we both have aminu around 5 mil. But with proportion changes what does that have Middleton at in old cap language, 10,11 mil? I know you didn’t speak on him, just saying too much. S_b_n
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/01/2015 - 6:30am #996810
Stop_basketball_nonsenseParticipantI understand your points & I see after your math with the new salary cap we both have aminu around 5 mil. But with proportion changes what does that have Middleton at in old cap language, 10,11 mil? I know you didn’t speak on him, just saying too much. S_b_n
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- Posted on: Wed, 07/01/2015 - 5:09am #996751
Robb_CParticipantKhris Middleton is one of my favorite players in the league.. He has that “it” factor, I’m particularly partial to him but I could see him in a few allstar games
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/01/2015 - 5:09am #996605
Robb_CParticipantKhris Middleton is one of my favorite players in the league.. He has that “it” factor, I’m particularly partial to him but I could see him in a few allstar games
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/01/2015 - 5:18am #996611
RUDEBOY_Participantblame dallas for teams overpaying for wings this off season…they signed parsons to that huge contract…lol
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/01/2015 - 5:18am #996757
RUDEBOY_Participantblame dallas for teams overpaying for wings this off season…they signed parsons to that huge contract…lol
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/01/2015 - 6:01am #996633
Bmore_DCParticipantNo way Aminu deserves that…What is he really good at? defense?
Middleton deserves it though, not many good shooting guards out there much better than him.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/01/2015 - 6:01am #996778
Bmore_DCParticipantNo way Aminu deserves that…What is he really good at? defense?
Middleton deserves it though, not many good shooting guards out there much better than him.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/01/2015 - 6:43am #996677
RUDEBOY_Participantany word yet on when the warriors plan to sign curry to an extension? dude is making 11 mill a yr, thats a bargain..if green gets the max,curry will be the team’s 6th highest paid player next season….
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/01/2015 - 6:43am #996822
RUDEBOY_Participantany word yet on when the warriors plan to sign curry to an extension? dude is making 11 mill a yr, thats a bargain..if green gets the max,curry will be the team’s 6th highest paid player next season….
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/01/2015 - 8:17am #996712
Memphis MadnessParticipantI think it is partially Anthony Davis’ fault. He got PAID. I mean, if anyone deserves the money, it’s him. BUT his deal makes other deals look kind of reasonable.
What I think it also did, was move all the teams up a year or two. Ok, if THE guy is locked in, the guy EVERYONE wants (should have been Plan A for the Lakers had he not gotten the big extension), we have to go after our next best options, which is basically the guys in this year’s free agent class.
Sign your guys NOW, while maybe some teams wait for Kevin Durant next year. And, if you are the Bucks or Raptors, KD ain’t coming to your town. OR, if you are a flashy big market team, you start to build assets so Durant can go to a team where the cupboard isn’t bare. So, the Knicks add some guys then tell Durant, hey, look at the Knicks. We are going to go small, put you at the 3, Carmelo at the 4, with Greg Monroe/LaMarcus Aldridge at the 5 with Porzingas off the bench. We are marginally better at point guard with Patrick Beverly or former fan favorite/god Jeremy Lin. Or, they make a run at Westbrook or Harden.
So, the BIG GUY (Anthony Davis) is off the table. So, you aren’t going to sit back, save your cash, then throw the bank vault at AD in a couple of years. That strategy is off the table. You have to rebuild or retool NOW since this is a really good free agent class. While nearly EVERYONE is going to look like a bargain after they raise the salary cap.
The Lakers, Knicks, Heat, and a few other teams can say that they have a realistic shot at Kevin Durant. For the vast majority of teams, they don’t. SO, for the rest of your teams, this is your free agent class to make some big bets.
Also, next year’s draft might not be as good — either at the top, or from top to bottom. Outside Ben Simmons or Skal maybe there isn’t a BLUE CHIP prospect out there. So, after this draft which I thought was really good, THIS free agent class might be your last best shot to get good for awhile.
For example, the Orlando Magic had a nice couple of drafts the past few years, now they add Mario Hezonja as a wing shooter with some size, and they are thinking, ok, we have a pretty good young core, can we make a run NOW? Let’s go after Paul Millsap, a versatile big who works in TODAY’S NBA. See what happens. Anthony Davis is off the table for the next several years, and Kevin Durant probably won’t come here, so let’s get the BEST GUY we can get for a half way reasonable salary. Let’s make a run…
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/01/2015 - 8:17am #996859
Memphis MadnessParticipantI think it is partially Anthony Davis’ fault. He got PAID. I mean, if anyone deserves the money, it’s him. BUT his deal makes other deals look kind of reasonable.
What I think it also did, was move all the teams up a year or two. Ok, if THE guy is locked in, the guy EVERYONE wants (should have been Plan A for the Lakers had he not gotten the big extension), we have to go after our next best options, which is basically the guys in this year’s free agent class.
Sign your guys NOW, while maybe some teams wait for Kevin Durant next year. And, if you are the Bucks or Raptors, KD ain’t coming to your town. OR, if you are a flashy big market team, you start to build assets so Durant can go to a team where the cupboard isn’t bare. So, the Knicks add some guys then tell Durant, hey, look at the Knicks. We are going to go small, put you at the 3, Carmelo at the 4, with Greg Monroe/LaMarcus Aldridge at the 5 with Porzingas off the bench. We are marginally better at point guard with Patrick Beverly or former fan favorite/god Jeremy Lin. Or, they make a run at Westbrook or Harden.
So, the BIG GUY (Anthony Davis) is off the table. So, you aren’t going to sit back, save your cash, then throw the bank vault at AD in a couple of years. That strategy is off the table. You have to rebuild or retool NOW since this is a really good free agent class. While nearly EVERYONE is going to look like a bargain after they raise the salary cap.
The Lakers, Knicks, Heat, and a few other teams can say that they have a realistic shot at Kevin Durant. For the vast majority of teams, they don’t. SO, for the rest of your teams, this is your free agent class to make some big bets.
Also, next year’s draft might not be as good — either at the top, or from top to bottom. Outside Ben Simmons or Skal maybe there isn’t a BLUE CHIP prospect out there. So, after this draft which I thought was really good, THIS free agent class might be your last best shot to get good for awhile.
For example, the Orlando Magic had a nice couple of drafts the past few years, now they add Mario Hezonja as a wing shooter with some size, and they are thinking, ok, we have a pretty good young core, can we make a run NOW? Let’s go after Paul Millsap, a versatile big who works in TODAY’S NBA. See what happens. Anthony Davis is off the table for the next several years, and Kevin Durant probably won’t come here, so let’s get the BEST GUY we can get for a half way reasonable salary. Let’s make a run…
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/01/2015 - 8:25am #996716
FearTheStacheParticipantOr the simple answer is that they are signing for big money because the cap is going up, and these deals will seem very reasonable in a year from now, when they’re not eating up nearly as much proportianate cap space as they are now.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/01/2015 - 8:25am #996863
FearTheStacheParticipantOr the simple answer is that they are signing for big money because the cap is going up, and these deals will seem very reasonable in a year from now, when they’re not eating up nearly as much proportianate cap space as they are now.
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