More bust potential, Porzingas or Mudiay?

I would have to say Kristaps Porzingas. Mudiay is going to be at the very least a solid pro, because he has the body. Porzingas is ‘rail’ thin; and if he doesn’t get playing time from the onset…. well can you say "Darko,Darko!"

I would have to say Kristaps Porzingas. Mudiay is going to be at the very least a solid pro, because he has the body. Porzingas is ‘rail’ thin; and if he doesn’t get playing time from the onset…. well can you say "Darko,Darko!"

 Mudiay, by far.

John Henson with a nice 3 point shot is worth more than Rodney Stuckey.

Combo guards with shaky decision making and a shaky jump shot are almost literally a dime a dozen.

 Mudiay, by far.

John Henson with a nice 3 point shot is worth more than Rodney Stuckey.

Combo guards with shaky decision making and a shaky jump shot are almost literally a dime a dozen.

I watch a lot of Wizards games, so I’m familiar with John Wall’s development in the league.

Mudiay is similar enough to Wall – big, athletic PG who loves to get out on the break and can penetrate and dish in the halfcourt as well as run the PnR.

Wall is probably more athletic overall (especially speed and quickness), but Mudiay is a better finisher at the bucket at this stage (stronger body and more craftiness around the rim – early on Wall was a fourth-gear runner who wasn’t an elite finisher through contact.)

But this is all minor difference. Again, Mudiay, like Wall, is a big athletic guard, with a shaky jumpshot who will have no trouble using his tools to create for himself or others in the half-court and has the upside to be an outstanding defender.

I think it’s easy to exaggerate minor flaws in a prospect and talk yourself into underrating someone. Mudiay has a rare combination of size, athleticism and sufficiently developed skill for PG. He is not some combo guard like a Stuckey. He is a PG if anything.

I watch a lot of Wizards games, so I’m familiar with John Wall’s development in the league.

Mudiay is similar enough to Wall – big, athletic PG who loves to get out on the break and can penetrate and dish in the halfcourt as well as run the PnR.

Wall is probably more athletic overall (especially speed and quickness), but Mudiay is a better finisher at the bucket at this stage (stronger body and more craftiness around the rim – early on Wall was a fourth-gear runner who wasn’t an elite finisher through contact.)

But this is all minor difference. Again, Mudiay, like Wall, is a big athletic guard, with a shaky jumpshot who will have no trouble using his tools to create for himself or others in the half-court and has the upside to be an outstanding defender.

I think it’s easy to exaggerate minor flaws in a prospect and talk yourself into underrating someone. Mudiay has a rare combination of size, athleticism and sufficiently developed skill for PG. He is not some combo guard like a Stuckey. He is a PG if anything.

 Mudiay admitted he gained 9 pounds. Which keen observers have noted, along with his corresponding loss of explosiveness.

Now he’s athletic like Dion Waiters is athletic, and nothing like John Wall.

 Mudiay admitted he gained 9 pounds. Which keen observers have noted, along with his corresponding loss of explosiveness.

Now he’s athletic like Dion Waiters is athletic, and nothing like John Wall.

 If it’s bad weight, he can drop it.  If it’s muscle, well, Lebron is less explosive horizontally at his weight than he was as a rookie and he seems to manage.  The real test is ability to finish through contact.

Either way, it’s a blip.  I’m looking at his season in China, and he showed a lot of PG skills.

 If it’s bad weight, he can drop it.  If it’s muscle, well, Lebron is less explosive horizontally at his weight than he was as a rookie and he seems to manage.  The real test is ability to finish through contact.

Either way, it’s a blip.  I’m looking at his season in China, and he showed a lot of PG skills.

 yeah from the very limited video out there I feel Mudiay’s athleticism is overrated too. And when compared to John Wall  I see no comparison.  We do not live in a vacuum. There will be busts in this draft. I will roll with a stretch four who can shoot and has a nasty streak over a guy who most scouts know little about.

 yeah from the very limited video out there I feel Mudiay’s athleticism is overrated too. And when compared to John Wall  I see no comparison.  We do not live in a vacuum. There will be busts in this draft. I will roll with a stretch four who can shoot and has a nasty streak over a guy who most scouts know little about.

 …and Porzingis may very well be the bust.

You’re basically betting that he can bulk up, not lose mobility and be able to defend in the NBA.

Right now he’s a nonentity on defense in the NBA at his weight.  Look at his highlights, he gets pushed around by 205 lb. guys.

So Porzingis’ lack of weight by a good 25 lbs. is less of a big deal than Mudiay’s minor blip of a gain?

I think Porzingis is the much more risky pick.  You want a 2 way player high in the lottery.

So again, you’re betting the farm he can bulk up and everything else stays the same.

 …and Porzingis may very well be the bust.

You’re basically betting that he can bulk up, not lose mobility and be able to defend in the NBA.

Right now he’s a nonentity on defense in the NBA at his weight.  Look at his highlights, he gets pushed around by 205 lb. guys.

So Porzingis’ lack of weight by a good 25 lbs. is less of a big deal than Mudiay’s minor blip of a gain?

I think Porzingis is the much more risky pick.  You want a 2 way player high in the lottery.

So again, you’re betting the farm he can bulk up and everything else stays the same.

 I would say Mudiay.  If he can’t shoot, he’ll bust, and be the PG equivalent to Shannon Brown.

 I would say Mudiay.  If he can’t shoot, he’ll bust, and be the PG equivalent to Shannon Brown.

Porzingis is thin, but he’s steadily packing on weight.  I believe one of the NBA scouts said he’s up to 235 now and has gained 20+ lbs over the past 12 months.

His trainer said they’re focusing on slowly adding weight instead of bulking him up like crazy because they want his body to comfortably adjust to it; and he credited that as being one of the big reasons Porzingis is so coordinated for a 7’0"-7’1" guy.

Regarding bust potential, I’d probably say Porzingis is more likely to be a complete bust, but I don’t think either one will be.  They might not live up to their potential, but I think both will at least be solid players in the NBA, and I personally prefer Porzingis as a prospect.

Porzingis is thin, but he’s steadily packing on weight.  I believe one of the NBA scouts said he’s up to 235 now and has gained 20+ lbs over the past 12 months.

His trainer said they’re focusing on slowly adding weight instead of bulking him up like crazy because they want his body to comfortably adjust to it; and he credited that as being one of the big reasons Porzingis is so coordinated for a 7’0"-7’1" guy.

Regarding bust potential, I’d probably say Porzingis is more likely to be a complete bust, but I don’t think either one will be.  They might not live up to their potential, but I think both will at least be solid players in the NBA, and I personally prefer Porzingis as a prospect.

 Porzingis and Mudiay will turn out at least a NBA All Star. I think KAT or for sure Justice Winslow will be bigger busts than Porzingis or Mudiay.

 Porzingis and Mudiay will turn out at least a NBA All Star. I think KAT or for sure Justice Winslow will be bigger busts than Porzingis or Mudiay.

I think out of the two Pozingis is a better fit for the Knicks, but I also think he has the bigger bust potential as well. Winslow is in the discussion for the #4, but I think the Knicks rather trade back a few picks and get another asset in order to get him. All three of these players would be great for the Knicks to get because they are all upgrades over what the Knicks already have and they all have very high upsides.

I think out of the two Pozingis is a better fit for the Knicks, but I also think he has the bigger bust potential as well. Winslow is in the discussion for the #4, but I think the Knicks rather trade back a few picks and get another asset in order to get him. All three of these players would be great for the Knicks to get because they are all upgrades over what the Knicks already have and they all have very high upsides.

 I worry about Porzingis’ narrow shoulders, thin frame and Charmin softness. 3 rebounds a game at 7’1?!

 I worry about Porzingis’ narrow shoulders, thin frame and Charmin softness. 3 rebounds a game at 7’1?!

Minutes played is a major reason for that, though hardly the only one. You also have wildly varying levels of competition, a somewhat different style of play, lots of "travel issues", etc, etc, etc.

In all seriousness, John Forbes Nash Jr. would have struggled to make sense of these numbers (let alone "translate" them to the NBA):

http://www.basketball-reference.com/euro/players/kristaps-porzingis-1.html

At any rate, Porzingis will be just fine … particularly provided he ends up in Orlando or Sacramento (as opposed to Philly or NY).

Minutes played is a major reason for that, though hardly the only one. You also have wildly varying levels of competition, a somewhat different style of play, lots of "travel issues", etc, etc, etc.

In all seriousness, John Forbes Nash Jr. would have struggled to make sense of these numbers (let alone "translate" them to the NBA):

http://www.basketball-reference.com/euro/players/kristaps-porzingis-1.html

At any rate, Porzingis will be just fine … particularly provided he ends up in Orlando or Sacramento (as opposed to Philly or NY).