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  • #60286
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    Mopgrass
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    Here is my mock draft with notes and the next 30 guys ranked with comments. I went according to 1) What I think should happen, not a prediction 2) Best player available (I didn’t account for team needs). So, while Cameron Payne is almost guaranteed to go top 14, I have him at 18. If any player’s comments sound contradictory, it’s because I added to the comments throughout their collegiate career.

    I didn’t do anything too outlandish in the 1st round. I’m more interested in the 2nd round because every website was way off in 2nd round predictions. I’m looking for feedback on draft position and comments (esp. 2nd round). I really feel like about 30 more of these guys are worth drafting.

    Below are the comments on the next 30 guys (and Youssou Ndoye #35, whose comments didn’t appear.

    35- Youssou Ndoye- Huge wingspan, very big guy for 6’10”. Has some Shaq attitude. Can really push people around and looks massive in stature. Can look lethargic, then suddenly, he’s surprisingly athletic. 7’5″ wingspan and 9’4″ reach. Has some decent post-up moves as long as he gets very low on the block. Can shoot with either hand. Looks and moves like college era Draymond Green (before weight loss) and without the range. Got just over 10 rebounds per game and 2.6 blocks.

    61- LeBryan Nash- Great athlete, dunker. Shot 79% from FT line, so he’s a good shooter. Oddly took almost no 3’s. Can really power through people on the drive. He’s strong enough that he can do it in pros. Can attack. Has some pretty great handles.

    62- J.P. Tokoto- 40′ vertical and really puts a stamp on it. Can’t create in the half court. When he tries to, things get awkward and forced. May have been able to learn to create, but has not put his energy there. Seems to need things to be in motion to make things happen. Can block shots on the defensive end. May be a defensive player, but not yet a big 3 point threat. He only averaged 8 points as a junior. Only 62% FT, but 38% on 3’s shooting under 1 per game. A project with some upside, though he’s 21.

    63- Aleksandar Vezenkov- Outstanding shot from 3. Likes to post up like a PF, but can’t play that in the NBA. Footwork is a little slow. Can shoot mid-range too. Really, just a shooter and team player.

    64- Terran Pettaway- Plays real hard. Intensity guy. Slasher. A bit unorthidox shot, drive, and everything else. Seems to be making it from 3 (31%), which he takes a lot while being challenged. He cn shoot it from very deep. Got 18 points a game. Keeps attacking. Very small vertical. Shot great from everywhere at the combine.

    65- Brandon Ashley- Was very underutilized. He can drive very well, but was relegated to posting up. Is a bit short for a PF and slightly slow for a SF. Posts up and gets around players pretty well. Doesn’t push guys around enough, needs to gain weight. Has a little bit of a mid range game.

    66- Michael Qualls- Super dunker. Full of intensity. Plays hard and dunks through people. Haven’t seen him do anything other than dunk. 33% from 3 on 5 attempts per game, 78%FT.

    67- Nedim Buza- Good shooter, very technically sound. Drives well when he sees an opening. Can force things, but seems to study steps and moves to the basket, which will lead to the creation of offense (which doesn’t quite do yet). Very thin frame. Good team player. Fights decently under the basket. Van dunk, but under average leaper for the NBA.

    68- Richaun Holmes- Plays hard inside. Likes to fight for position and shots. Sometimes forces it and plays a little out of control. Is starting to be able to stretch the floor. The combine has boosted his status a lot. Shot mid range and some 3’s in college.

    69- Joseph Young- Plays like a 6’2″ SG. He could manage playing PG, but would be best served by playing with a point forward or something similar. Very fast. No hops, butdrives, dives, and makes it happen. Good looking shot from 3.

    70- Dakari Johnson- Plays well deep inside. Mostly dunks. I’ve seen him do almost nothing alse. Low post guy. Doesn’t block shots much given his size and respectable athleticism.

    71- Sir Dominic Pointer- Great dunker, athlete, and shot blocker. Great possible defender. Shot 73% FT, but really struggled from 3 (though he shot under 1 per game). His shot doesn’t look half bad. Another transition guy that doesn’t create his own shots.

    72- Marc Garcia Antonell- Pretty skilled kid. Good shot from 3, can get to the rack. His touch has been improving. It isn’t great yet, but it miht get there. Would have to be a draft and stash guy. Weighs only 170 pounds. What? Nice pull-up from mid-range and has good length.

    73- Alpha Kaba- Very raw, but has great physical gifts. 6’9″, but has an extremely long wingspan. Can dunk with little effort. Looks like he could add a ton of muscle and already looks pretty strong. He needs to be taught some NBA fierceness and his post game needs some work. He might have a 15 footer. Short on footage.

    75-Trevor Lacey- Tough PG. Has a really great pull-up jumper. Gets a lot of height on the jumper, fully extends. He made a boatload of contested 3’s at a good clip. Good from the line. Can push people around a little. Not fast, but shiftiness can get him around a defender sometimes. Not a bad athlete. Not a leaper.

    77- Amir Williams- Looks like an NBA body. Awkward in post ups, but mobile. Not a great rim proector. Doesn’t get up that high. Can dunk with emphasis. Post hook looks bad.

    78- Aaron Harrison- Good on-ball defense. Can defend by the book. Streaky shooter. Can hit from the NBA line. Doesn’t create offense that well. Always thinks he should take the big shots whether he makes it or not. Line drive on offense, but has general trouble creating. Gets bogged down.

    79- Luka Mitrovic- Big time hustle guy. Plays like a PF, not a SF. Gets a lot of second chance shots because he works so hard on rebounding. Shot doesn’t look good at all. Not quite elite PF height. Even questionably 6’9″. Likes to post up, but isn’t amazing at that. He’s more of a defense guy.

    80- Juwan Howard Jr.- Can shoot from anywhere: fading away, diving forward. Great shooting off the backboard. Good with floaters. No hops at all. Not sure he dunks. Not amazing driving, but maneuvers and gets to the rim eventually.

    81- Julian Washburn- Good looking shot, good leaper. Expected to be a 3 and D guy. Need more footage.

    82- Phil Greene- Very fast. Has his head down a bit too much. Plays hard and can get to the rack in college, but barely makes it over them. Will have a harder time in pros. He’s a little guy. However, he can get up solidly and claims he could win the dunk contest. Does a lot of step back from mid range and shoots threes. Mid range looks good and form from 3 is decent. He seems like a capable body. Considered a PG, but doesn’t have the handles at all. A very short SG.

    83- Tashawn Thomas- Undersized PF who plays real hard. Decent moves inside, has a hook. Scoring and rebounding are his thing, but would have some trouble scoring inside in the pros. Athleticism isn’t such that it makes up for his athleticism.

    84- Danilo Fuzaro- Well rounded Euro-prospect. Hits 3’s and dunks respectably. His handles are more than a little suspect. Only 6’4″, but has long arms. Listed as a possible PG, but no way. He’s kind of slow, labors to the rim, and dives at the basket. Team player.

    85- Anthony Brown- Excellent looking shot. It has a little swagger to it. Great from 3 and mid-range. Looks athletic, but isn’t really. Should be able defend his position. Is decent enough near the rim. Not a creator.

    86- Michael Frazier- Very good 3 point shooter. Can step back and hit the 3. Decent from mid-range. Has decent speed and looks like he could leap respectably. Could possibly get to the rack, but doesn’t seem to often. His hand goes to the side a little bit when he shoots, so I’m not wild about his form. Not a creator.

    87- Bryce Dejean-Jones- Good at everything, not great at anything. His shot might stand out a little. He can sometimes get to the rack, using slightly shifty moves and using his body for separation. Shot 41% from 3. Dribbles decently.

    88- Branden Dawson- Plays real hard. Intensity guy. Can get to the rim and make things happen. Was at Michigan State, so he’s a team player. Wasn’t a major scorer. Only makes half his FT’s, but good inside. If he were two or three inches taller, he’d be a legit NBA PF. However, he can’t shoot and that’s hard at SF.

    89- Seth Tuttle- Big body, pushes guys around, and dunks hard (not high). Can possibly spread the floor. Can take other big guys off the dribble. Still, often sluggish

    90- Maurice Walker- Big guy all around, NBA PF/C body with some skilled moves. Can’t really jump. Doesn’t look that involved in the offense and a little mentally removed.

    91- Chasson Randle- Tough little PG, with a really good jumper. He can hit it stepping back and off the dribble well. Well rounded player. Not a great athlete, but moves well laterally.

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  • #988560
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    ZachAttack
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     Wow… you have a lot of guys rising and a lot of guys falling… I actually enjoyed reading your comments and they made a pretty decent amount of sense. Although I don’t agree with all your picks. It was definitely something different and I enjoyed going through it. One thing I would change though is that Delon Wright won’t go before Cameron Payne. I’m a HUGE Delon Wright fan and I would love to see him get ahead of Payne, but I don’t see it happening. Also, I’d like to see Tyus Jones in a Jazz uni, but I doubt he’ll drop out of the top 25. Overall though, it was quite interesting and I enjoyed reading. Good post!

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  • #988410
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    ZachAttack
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     Wow… you have a lot of guys rising and a lot of guys falling… I actually enjoyed reading your comments and they made a pretty decent amount of sense. Although I don’t agree with all your picks. It was definitely something different and I enjoyed going through it. One thing I would change though is that Delon Wright won’t go before Cameron Payne. I’m a HUGE Delon Wright fan and I would love to see him get ahead of Payne, but I don’t see it happening. Also, I’d like to see Tyus Jones in a Jazz uni, but I doubt he’ll drop out of the top 25. Overall though, it was quite interesting and I enjoyed reading. Good post!

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  • #988564
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    mgreener_34
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    "I didn’t do anything too outlandish in the 1st round" 

    I don’t know about Portis dropping all the way to #30…

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  • #988414
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    mgreener_34
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    "I didn’t do anything too outlandish in the 1st round" 

    I don’t know about Portis dropping all the way to #30…

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    • #988449
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      Mopgrass
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      Yeah, I was hoping no one would mind that one too much. It’s not that I don’t like him. I like all of the skills he brings. I’m just more interested in other players.

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    • #988600
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      Mopgrass
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      Yeah, I was hoping no one would mind that one too much. It’s not that I don’t like him. I like all of the skills he brings. I’m just more interested in other players.

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  • #988418
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    Excellent post Mopgrass – very thorough in depth scouting. Well done.

    P.S Daniel Diez looks like teen-wolf

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  • #988568
    r377r377
    r377
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    Excellent post Mopgrass – very thorough in depth scouting. Well done.

    P.S Daniel Diez looks like teen-wolf

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  • #988420
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    llperez

     you commented that joespeh young from oregon has no hops? he measured with a 41" vert at the nba combine and dunks easily despite being 6-2, what you talking about willis?

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    • #988436
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      Mopgrass
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      Thanks. That’s the kind of stuff I’m looking for. I’m trying to see if I missed anything.

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    • #988586
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      Mopgrass
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      Thanks. That’s the kind of stuff I’m looking for. I’m trying to see if I missed anything.

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  • #988570
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    llperez

     you commented that joespeh young from oregon has no hops? he measured with a 41" vert at the nba combine and dunks easily despite being 6-2, what you talking about willis?

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  • #988428
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    trelos6
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     Magic Mudiay, no way

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  • #988578
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    trelos6
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     Magic Mudiay, no way

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  • #988434
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    Bornaskul
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     Hezonja and Porzingis at 10 and 11… i don’t believe that will happen there is a bigger chance for them rising a couple of spots than falling 

    btw Hezonja is more than just a solid athlete 

    Overall great analysis with some surprising picks

     

     

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    • #988462
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      Mopgrass
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       Those are the two hardest guys to place. I’ve heard scouts say they "don’t trust (Porzingas)" and others who said he could go 1st (before Minnesota got the pick). 

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    • #988612
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      Mopgrass
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       Those are the two hardest guys to place. I’ve heard scouts say they "don’t trust (Porzingas)" and others who said he could go 1st (before Minnesota got the pick). 

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  • #988584
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    Bornaskul
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     Hezonja and Porzingis at 10 and 11… i don’t believe that will happen there is a bigger chance for them rising a couple of spots than falling 

    btw Hezonja is more than just a solid athlete 

    Overall great analysis with some surprising picks

     

     

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  • #988466
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    omphalos
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     Not sure how you can call Oubre very skilled then follow it up with "questionable to create his own shot unless it’s a jumper". 

    I agree with the latter, can’t see how the former makes sense.

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    • #988470
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      Mopgrass
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       He’s very skilled in some fundamentals: his shot form, his releasing at the peak of his jump on jumpers, his stance when he defends, etc. All very textbook. I think of those as skills. One skill he doesn’t have is creating offense. He’s plenty athletic, so you’d  think he would be able to split defenders. I think his handle is fine, but he may just be fast instead of quick. Fast helps in transition and quick helps get around defenders. Also, Self really tried to reign him in, otherwise he may have improved at creating offense. 

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    • #988620
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      Mopgrass
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       He’s very skilled in some fundamentals: his shot form, his releasing at the peak of his jump on jumpers, his stance when he defends, etc. All very textbook. I think of those as skills. One skill he doesn’t have is creating offense. He’s plenty athletic, so you’d  think he would be able to split defenders. I think his handle is fine, but he may just be fast instead of quick. Fast helps in transition and quick helps get around defenders. Also, Self really tried to reign him in, otherwise he may have improved at creating offense. 

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  • #988616
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    omphalos
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     Not sure how you can call Oubre very skilled then follow it up with "questionable to create his own shot unless it’s a jumper". 

    I agree with the latter, can’t see how the former makes sense.

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  • #988468
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    ExumInferno
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     Always fun to have a three round draft to look at, and lots of comments too.

     

    Not sure what would happen at the Magic with Elfrid and Mudiay, a point guard controversy.

     

     

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  • #988618
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    ExumInferno
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     Always fun to have a three round draft to look at, and lots of comments too.

     

    Not sure what would happen at the Magic with Elfrid and Mudiay, a point guard controversy.

     

     

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  • #988472
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    I like the comments and the effort so yea, plus 1 nice. But, any justification for Cliff Alexander over Dekker, Portis, Lyle sand Vaughn? Maybe he will rise because of potential but there are even reports that he is doing poorly in draft workouts and may even fall lower so why? I mean, it seems like every mock draft has Lyles at the lottery but you have him down to 27!

     

     

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    • #988504
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      BleedGreen808
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       It sounds like Cliff Alexander is rubbing teams the wrong way in interviews too.  I heard him blame his struggles at Kansas on the system and Bill Self not giving him enough playing time.  I can understand him being frustrated about losing his eligibility. However it rubs me the wrong way when he blames Kansas and I can’t see teams wanting to take him in the first round.  

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    • #988654
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      BleedGreen808
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       It sounds like Cliff Alexander is rubbing teams the wrong way in interviews too.  I heard him blame his struggles at Kansas on the system and Bill Self not giving him enough playing time.  I can understand him being frustrated about losing his eligibility. However it rubs me the wrong way when he blames Kansas and I can’t see teams wanting to take him in the first round.  

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    • #988795
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      Mopgrass
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      Every year there are guys that we rank in the top 5 at the beginning of the year that, by the end of the year, we drop out of the first round (such as Cliff Alexander). I usually find that those type of guys don’t fall as far as we think because we weren’t SO wrong in the first place. 

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    • #988645
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      Mopgrass
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      Every year there are guys that we rank in the top 5 at the beginning of the year that, by the end of the year, we drop out of the first round (such as Cliff Alexander). I usually find that those type of guys don’t fall as far as we think because we weren’t SO wrong in the first place. 

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  • #988622
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    I like the comments and the effort so yea, plus 1 nice. But, any justification for Cliff Alexander over Dekker, Portis, Lyle sand Vaughn? Maybe he will rise because of potential but there are even reports that he is doing poorly in draft workouts and may even fall lower so why? I mean, it seems like every mock draft has Lyles at the lottery but you have him down to 27!

     

     

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  • #988741
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    Memphis Madness
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     Brooklyn Dekker.  Ha.

    If the NBA expands the draft back to 3 rounds you are going to be in great shape!

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #988591
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    Memphis Madness
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     Brooklyn Dekker.  Ha.

    If the NBA expands the draft back to 3 rounds you are going to be in great shape!

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #988947
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    Mad Max
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     I’m not sure if I should neg you or fav you. On one hand your work ethic to do such great work is awesome and really appreciated and respect that you have a different outlook than most with the same old mock draft with the same order and no originality. Yet at the same time……..I’m really going to disagree with a lot of your rankings. I could make my own post about that lol, but whatever it’s just opinions and everyone is entitled to theirs so I’ll just give you props for the work, but I can’t say agree a lot.

    Although I can’t help but say Portis and Lyles ranked that low is a joke.

    Also, KT Harrell is a guy I really like. Never seen his name on any mock draft, think he’s worthy and would be interested in your take since you wanted more about 2nd rd guys.

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  • #988796
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    Mad Max
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     I’m not sure if I should neg you or fav you. On one hand your work ethic to do such great work is awesome and really appreciated and respect that you have a different outlook than most with the same old mock draft with the same order and no originality. Yet at the same time……..I’m really going to disagree with a lot of your rankings. I could make my own post about that lol, but whatever it’s just opinions and everyone is entitled to theirs so I’ll just give you props for the work, but I can’t say agree a lot.

    Although I can’t help but say Portis and Lyles ranked that low is a joke.

    Also, KT Harrell is a guy I really like. Never seen his name on any mock draft, think he’s worthy and would be interested in your take since you wanted more about 2nd rd guys.

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