Winslow seems a lot smarter. Stanley may be a little more talented physically (playing devils advocate for a moment) but how many times did he have a game where he went 5/18 from the field or 3/13 from the field. He turned it over a lot yet handled the ball less than Winslow. That’s the big difference, the decision making I think. 

Tourney time is big obviously because its the last thing we remember and Winslow was Duke’s best playr in the 2nd round, Sweet 16 and Elite 8 and it really wasn’t close. He does everything Johnson does and is better defensively, better ball handler and his shot looks more translatable. 

 Winslow seems a lot smarter. Stanley may be a little more talented physically (playing devils advocate for a moment) but how many times did he have a game where he went 5/18 from the field or 3/13 from the field. He turned it over a lot yet handled the ball less than Winslow. That’s the big difference, the decision making I think. 

Tourney time is big obviously because its the last thing we remember and Winslow was Duke’s best playr in the 2nd round, Sweet 16 and Elite 8 and it really wasn’t close. He does everything Johnson does and is better defensively, better ball handler and his shot looks more translatable. 

 i have winslow over johnson as most people do. Really liked his ball handling and ability to get into the lane. Stanley is going to be really good as well. Winning 4 straight division 1 state titles in california shows this guy is a winner. First time i saw johnson was in the state title game vs aaron gordons team and i had heard tons about how good gordon was so i was surprised stanley looked every bit as good out there depsite being 1 year younger as a junior.

 The form on his jumper is really solid when he is squared up. But his shooting drops tremendously when he is contested or off the dribble. You can say that about lots of guys, but it really stood out to me with him. He starts his shot from down around his waste and its very rythim based so if you  can disrupt any part of that rythim his shot was all over the place. 

 i have winslow over johnson as most people do. Really liked his ball handling and ability to get into the lane. Stanley is going to be really good as well. Winning 4 straight division 1 state titles in california shows this guy is a winner. First time i saw johnson was in the state title game vs aaron gordons team and i had heard tons about how good gordon was so i was surprised stanley looked every bit as good out there depsite being 1 year younger as a junior.

 The form on his jumper is really solid when he is squared up. But his shooting drops tremendously when he is contested or off the dribble. You can say that about lots of guys, but it really stood out to me with him. He starts his shot from down around his waste and its very rythim based so if you  can disrupt any part of that rythim his shot was all over the place. 

 Johnson might put up similar stats because of his great outside shooting, but Winslow will make a much bigger impact defensively, though he won’t get credit for it.

Same thing happened with Marcus Smart vs Jordan Clarkson. Smart was All Defense team level defender, while Clarkson was like the worst or second worst defender in the league, but nobody noticed, and Clarkson got First Team rookie honors over Smart, who led his team to the playoffs as a rookie point guard.

 Johnson might put up similar stats because of his great outside shooting, but Winslow will make a much bigger impact defensively, though he won’t get credit for it.

Same thing happened with Marcus Smart vs Jordan Clarkson. Smart was All Defense team level defender, while Clarkson was like the worst or second worst defender in the league, but nobody noticed, and Clarkson got First Team rookie honors over Smart, who led his team to the playoffs as a rookie point guard.

I love both prospects and I believe both of them should be in discussion as a top 5 prospect in this class. I like Winslow just a little more than Johnson simply because of Winslow’s ability to create for his teammates and shows more versatility on the offensive end. Johnson will be a monster tho, I see alot of Jamal Mashburn in him. Winslow however has the complete package and has a bit more untapped potential.

I love both prospects and I believe both of them should be in discussion as a top 5 prospect in this class. I like Winslow just a little more than Johnson simply because of Winslow’s ability to create for his teammates and shows more versatility on the offensive end. Johnson will be a monster tho, I see alot of Jamal Mashburn in him. Winslow however has the complete package and has a bit more untapped potential.

 That Marcus Smart v Clarkson comparison felt so forced its not even funny. We get it. You like Smart and feel he’s been disrespected by someone. Goodness gracious

 That Marcus Smart v Clarkson comparison felt so forced its not even funny. We get it. You like Smart and feel he’s been disrespected by someone. Goodness gracious

 Marcus Smart is quickly becoming the most overrated player on this board. He continues to get forced into every conversation. Celtics keep forcing him into discussion acting like hes an elite prospect. Yeah hes good at defense but he also shoots 36.7% and isnt a true point guard. 

 Marcus Smart is quickly becoming the most overrated player on this board. He continues to get forced into every conversation. Celtics keep forcing him into discussion acting like hes an elite prospect. Yeah hes good at defense but he also shoots 36.7% and isnt a true point guard. 

 Justise Winslow has had more traction because he’s taken over games and went right down the middle, using strength and athleticism, to help his team win games. He uses his strength and body well and doesn’t "dilly dally." Give Stanley Johnson the ball and tell him to do the same thing and he’ll dribble around for a while, waste some shot clock, wait for something to develop, and pass it to someone who does the same thing. 

I think that’s the biggest difference you see: Winslow goes right for it and Johnson surveys the field. However, I think Johnson could easily be coached to attack like Winslow. Someone on here mentioned Winslow having better handles. Umm, what? Johnson had some turnovers, but there might not be a better dribbling forward in college basketball. Winslow dribbles exceptionally high going through the lane. He will not get away with that in the NBA. 

In the 2013-2014 basketball season I watched Wiggins struggle to drive and Johnson struggled in a similar way. I think Winslow is nearly a can’t miss solid player. Johnson could be a lot more. I’m always for going for it. 

 Justise Winslow has had more traction because he’s taken over games and went right down the middle, using strength and athleticism, to help his team win games. He uses his strength and body well and doesn’t "dilly dally." Give Stanley Johnson the ball and tell him to do the same thing and he’ll dribble around for a while, waste some shot clock, wait for something to develop, and pass it to someone who does the same thing. 

I think that’s the biggest difference you see: Winslow goes right for it and Johnson surveys the field. However, I think Johnson could easily be coached to attack like Winslow. Someone on here mentioned Winslow having better handles. Umm, what? Johnson had some turnovers, but there might not be a better dribbling forward in college basketball. Winslow dribbles exceptionally high going through the lane. He will not get away with that in the NBA. 

In the 2013-2014 basketball season I watched Wiggins struggle to drive and Johnson struggled in a similar way. I think Winslow is nearly a can’t miss solid player. Johnson could be a lot more. I’m always for going for it. 

But let’s not act like Justice is the "Godly" prospect.  He had a few bad shooting games and a lot of his turnovers were some of the worst I’ve seen.  He loves going to his left hand and his handles are obviously lacking.  After watching both players defensively I have Stanley over Winslow still.  Stanley is also the better ball handler as well.  

Justice also played on a team that has the #1 draft pick and knock down shooters.  Meaning – the defense had to be honest.  Like I said, I love Winslow’s game, but honestly Stanley Johnson is slightly the better player to me.  He’s much fluent with the ball while Winslow is more mechanical.  Both are great athletes and Winslow might be a better finisher (which is something you can’t really teach).  Hopefully teams will come to their senses and Stanley will still be a Top 7-8 pick.  

But let’s not act like Justice is the "Godly" prospect.  He had a few bad shooting games and a lot of his turnovers were some of the worst I’ve seen.  He loves going to his left hand and his handles are obviously lacking.  After watching both players defensively I have Stanley over Winslow still.  Stanley is also the better ball handler as well.  

Justice also played on a team that has the #1 draft pick and knock down shooters.  Meaning – the defense had to be honest.  Like I said, I love Winslow’s game, but honestly Stanley Johnson is slightly the better player to me.  He’s much fluent with the ball while Winslow is more mechanical.  Both are great athletes and Winslow might be a better finisher (which is something you can’t really teach).  Hopefully teams will come to their senses and Stanley will still be a Top 7-8 pick.  

 I just think Justise Winslow plays more within himself and is more consistent than Stanley Johnson.

 I just think Justise Winslow plays more within himself and is more consistent than Stanley Johnson.

The difference I there seasons and in many ways in there perceptions have a lot to do with the teams they were on and their roles. @sitlbito mentioned that Winslow plays within himself  and I agree. This was a luxury he could afford as the 3 sometimes 4th option (If Tyus is cooking). You all are fully aware of how much attention Okafor draws, Quinn Cooks shooting also allows for driving lanes and a higher quality of shot, Johnson was Zonas main option (whether right or wrong). As a freshman this along with experience is gonna lead to some rough shooting nights. So I think the season needs to be looked at in the right perspective.

As prospects they both have similar weaknesses in terms of handling, shooting consistency, creating off the dribble as well as other guard nuances but I think in most categories I’d give Johnson (I think Winslow is the better athlete)the edge personally.

I also am not convinced that Winslow can play the 2 at all tbh. His game screams 3 D. I think Johson is solely a three also but has better over all size/strength for it.

The difference I there seasons and in many ways in there perceptions have a lot to do with the teams they were on and their roles. @sitlbito mentioned that Winslow plays within himself  and I agree. This was a luxury he could afford as the 3 sometimes 4th option (If Tyus is cooking). You all are fully aware of how much attention Okafor draws, Quinn Cooks shooting also allows for driving lanes and a higher quality of shot, Johnson was Zonas main option (whether right or wrong). As a freshman this along with experience is gonna lead to some rough shooting nights. So I think the season needs to be looked at in the right perspective.

As prospects they both have similar weaknesses in terms of handling, shooting consistency, creating off the dribble as well as other guard nuances but I think in most categories I’d give Johnson (I think Winslow is the better athlete)the edge personally.

I also am not convinced that Winslow can play the 2 at all tbh. His game screams 3 D. I think Johson is solely a three also but has better over all size/strength for it.

 But i hope to see some of the things people are saying. I dont think Marcus is elite at anything besides defense. I hope he improves dramatically because i saw no ability to get to the rack or passed guys consistently at all. I dont hate him but he would be trade bait for me with a pick. If they thought he could penetrate regularly i dont think they grab Thomas. They needed someone to draw fouls and have handle to brake the d down. He showed none of the brake down ability, honestly not much at all. Hopefully he makes huge strides in that area or becomes a sniper from deep,wich will open up the rest for him better.

 But i hope to see some of the things people are saying. I dont think Marcus is elite at anything besides defense. I hope he improves dramatically because i saw no ability to get to the rack or passed guys consistently at all. I dont hate him but he would be trade bait for me with a pick. If they thought he could penetrate regularly i dont think they grab Thomas. They needed someone to draw fouls and have handle to brake the d down. He showed none of the brake down ability, honestly not much at all. Hopefully he makes huge strides in that area or becomes a sniper from deep,wich will open up the rest for him better.

I’ll take Winslow. I liked him more out of HS after seeing them both in the same environments and I like him more after seeing them both in college. On Team USA in particular I thought it was clear who the better player was. Winslow was entrusted more as a secondary ball-handler and he was clearly the more valuable defender. JW is the better defender, he’s smarter, more efficient, is the better passer, doesn’t need the ball as much to be effective, doesn’t play with the ball as much when he has it and I think he’s the better ball-handler. Stan gets into these modes where he plays with the ball entirely too much and because he doesn’t have a great first step, he ends up spinning his tires, chewing up the clock and not really going anywhere in an attempt to look for his own offense, often times resulting in a tough contested jumper which he’s not good at. JW is much more economical with his touches. I think he’s the better handler because he’s more comfortable coming off of ball screens, plays with very little wasted movement attacking in straight lines (but has good footwork when approaching the paint) and he’s better handling in transition. He also plays at a very good pace and is the better passer so he does have PnR potential. He’s also the rare lefty who’s comfortable using his off-hand. IMO, his off-hand is stronger than Johnson’s.

Also, I see no issue at all with Winslow defending 2’s. I’d have much more confidence in him checking 2s than Stan. If he can defend 2’s then he can play the 2, giving him a bit more position versatility.

I’ll take Winslow. I liked him more out of HS after seeing them both in the same environments and I like him more after seeing them both in college. On Team USA in particular I thought it was clear who the better player was. Winslow was entrusted more as a secondary ball-handler and he was clearly the more valuable defender. JW is the better defender, he’s smarter, more efficient, is the better passer, doesn’t need the ball as much to be effective, doesn’t play with the ball as much when he has it and I think he’s the better ball-handler. Stan gets into these modes where he plays with the ball entirely too much and because he doesn’t have a great first step, he ends up spinning his tires, chewing up the clock and not really going anywhere in an attempt to look for his own offense, often times resulting in a tough contested jumper which he’s not good at. JW is much more economical with his touches. I think he’s the better handler because he’s more comfortable coming off of ball screens, plays with very little wasted movement attacking in straight lines (but has good footwork when approaching the paint) and he’s better handling in transition. He also plays at a very good pace and is the better passer so he does have PnR potential. He’s also the rare lefty who’s comfortable using his off-hand. IMO, his off-hand is stronger than Johnson’s.

Also, I see no issue at all with Winslow defending 2’s. I’d have much more confidence in him checking 2s than Stan. If he can defend 2’s then he can play the 2, giving him a bit more position versatility.