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  • #59195
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    OneAndDone
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    So plenty has been said and debated about the sixers decision to trade MCW and how dumb/counter productive it was. As a sixer fan its kinda tough to see him go but as a guy that likes to think he understands basketball he wasnt going to be a piece to bring a long awaited Ship to the city. Dude filled up the stat sheet but was soooo inefficient that if you put him in a lineup with other very capable players it just wasnt gonna work kinda Brandon Jennings esque without all the athleticism.

    With what the sixers are left with after the deals today i cant help but feel like they are all in on Emanuel Mudiay. They have a huge hole now at PG that currently they are trying to fill with Cannon Wroten or dare i say Timmy Frazier??? They have potentially 4 first rounders this year if they continue to suck, the lakers win a few more games than expected, and the thunder make a move in the west which their deadline moves would definetily seem to suggest. Also they have potentially 4 second rounders to play around with.

    With all of these picks they can probably move around the top five at will with the exception of number one which is at this point obviously Jahlil Okafor. Even with trading a bunch of picks you have to think that the sixers will get the most out of this draft knowing they have 8 of 60 picks potentially Any believers other than myself in these deadline deals benefiting Philly overall???

     

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  • #968015
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    Im fine with their moves today. MCW was not a building block and KJ was going to ask for too much $$.

    Targeting Mudiay seems weird though, for a team that shipped its PG because it can’t shoot or make smart decisons. Thats essentially Mudiay from all the scouting reports. I guess you bet on his youth and hope he develops it, unlike MCW whos about to hit 24 years old.

    I doubt the LAL fall out the top-5, so they’ll likely have 3 first round picks this draft. Pretty insane. Hinkie better hit on them.

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  • #967865
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    Im fine with their moves today. MCW was not a building block and KJ was going to ask for too much $$.

    Targeting Mudiay seems weird though, for a team that shipped its PG because it can’t shoot or make smart decisons. Thats essentially Mudiay from all the scouting reports. I guess you bet on his youth and hope he develops it, unlike MCW whos about to hit 24 years old.

    I doubt the LAL fall out the top-5, so they’ll likely have 3 first round picks this draft. Pretty insane. Hinkie better hit on them.

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  • #968032
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    I love it for the Bucks. MCW under Jason Kidd is brilliant.

    The McGee trade was brilliant. But the MCW trade?

    First, the Lakers need to be bad and they have no trouble picking up players. Free agents complained about the Lakers not calling at the beginning of the year. This year, they have no reason to lose, they can’t keep the 2016 draft pick unless Randle, Kobe, their soon-to-be 1st draft pick, and free agents flounder monumentally. Basically, while it’s unlikely they’ll be a playoff team, they probably will be the 22nd best team at worst. That would equate MCW with a 7th draft pick. If he’s as good as a 7th pick (I say he is), it’s still not worth it because we already know MCW can make it in the NBA. Also, the pick might even come out at 10th or 12th, in which case, that uncertain pick is even worth less.

    I can only assume Hinke’s making sure they don’t win this year. They are within a win of the Lakers and now they are really going to out-bad each other.

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  • #967883
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    I love it for the Bucks. MCW under Jason Kidd is brilliant.

    The McGee trade was brilliant. But the MCW trade?

    First, the Lakers need to be bad and they have no trouble picking up players. Free agents complained about the Lakers not calling at the beginning of the year. This year, they have no reason to lose, they can’t keep the 2016 draft pick unless Randle, Kobe, their soon-to-be 1st draft pick, and free agents flounder monumentally. Basically, while it’s unlikely they’ll be a playoff team, they probably will be the 22nd best team at worst. That would equate MCW with a 7th draft pick. If he’s as good as a 7th pick (I say he is), it’s still not worth it because we already know MCW can make it in the NBA. Also, the pick might even come out at 10th or 12th, in which case, that uncertain pick is even worth less.

    I can only assume Hinke’s making sure they don’t win this year. They are within a win of the Lakers and now they are really going to out-bad each other.

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  • #968038
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    At a certain point you need to start developing your talent instead of gathering assets. Although I wasn’t the biggest fan of MCW, trading him away for future draft picks is basically a step in the dark, as you don’t know what the draft pick will bring you. MCW was a ROY winner, and a very capable point guard who needed a bit more time to develop his outside game. Although I agree draft picks can be valuable, some teams have started to overvalue them these days. If you have a solid core of players, preferable with some upside (which MCW definitely had), I believe you should start to develop them instead of contineously flipping them for other assets in the hope they are more valuable than your more proven commodity you have now in MCW.

    As this moment, Philly has Noel and Embiid as their current centre pieces moving forward, together with Saric and a slew of future draft picks. Hopefully they pick a nice PG that fits those pieces, which makes Russel a nice pick-up at the PG/SG. He can play the pick and roll with Noel, play off the ball when Saric handles the ball and hit the outside shot. Now if they pick up Russel, they would have 4 positions filled with high-upside players. Add some additional pieces later in the draft (Booker with the 15th pick?) you would have a nice team that complements each other nicely for the future.

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  • #967889
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    At a certain point you need to start developing your talent instead of gathering assets. Although I wasn’t the biggest fan of MCW, trading him away for future draft picks is basically a step in the dark, as you don’t know what the draft pick will bring you. MCW was a ROY winner, and a very capable point guard who needed a bit more time to develop his outside game. Although I agree draft picks can be valuable, some teams have started to overvalue them these days. If you have a solid core of players, preferable with some upside (which MCW definitely had), I believe you should start to develop them instead of contineously flipping them for other assets in the hope they are more valuable than your more proven commodity you have now in MCW.

    As this moment, Philly has Noel and Embiid as their current centre pieces moving forward, together with Saric and a slew of future draft picks. Hopefully they pick a nice PG that fits those pieces, which makes Russel a nice pick-up at the PG/SG. He can play the pick and roll with Noel, play off the ball when Saric handles the ball and hit the outside shot. Now if they pick up Russel, they would have 4 positions filled with high-upside players. Add some additional pieces later in the draft (Booker with the 15th pick?) you would have a nice team that complements each other nicely for the future.

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  • #968054
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    Sam Hinkie has a "buy low, sell high" mentality, he is gambling that the Lakers pick comes up somewhere 6 to 8 this year I guess. I don’t see the Lakers being that bad next year so the pick if not conveyed this year might be worth less than Hinkie hoped it would be.

    The Suns obviously rate Brandon Knight higher than MCW as they traded for him and I’m sure Hinkie would have done the trade straight up.

    It seemed a bit strange the Bucks giving up Knight but they may feel MCW will be as good a prospect and Knight was an RFA this summer and I feel John Hammond may want to leave his 5 year extension for Jabari Parker or the Greek Freak. MCW will have Jason Kidd to guide him and can concentrate on being a true PG creating for Jabari and Giannis rather than taking too many shots.

    Philly’s draft status will depend a lot on whether the Lakers pick comes over this year or not. If it does then Hinkie can fill 2 holes in the roster and with Saric to come over alongside Noel and Embiid you might just have the starting 5. I’d assume Philly look very strongly at Mudiay and Russell with the first pick, if they happened to land top pick and Okafor say was consensus number 1 then Hinkie could look to trade down a place or two to get Mudiay or Russell and get another asset as well.

    If the Lakers pick does come over this year then Hezonja, Winslow and Oubre would look solid targets.

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  • #967905
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    Sam Hinkie has a "buy low, sell high" mentality, he is gambling that the Lakers pick comes up somewhere 6 to 8 this year I guess. I don’t see the Lakers being that bad next year so the pick if not conveyed this year might be worth less than Hinkie hoped it would be.

    The Suns obviously rate Brandon Knight higher than MCW as they traded for him and I’m sure Hinkie would have done the trade straight up.

    It seemed a bit strange the Bucks giving up Knight but they may feel MCW will be as good a prospect and Knight was an RFA this summer and I feel John Hammond may want to leave his 5 year extension for Jabari Parker or the Greek Freak. MCW will have Jason Kidd to guide him and can concentrate on being a true PG creating for Jabari and Giannis rather than taking too many shots.

    Philly’s draft status will depend a lot on whether the Lakers pick comes over this year or not. If it does then Hinkie can fill 2 holes in the roster and with Saric to come over alongside Noel and Embiid you might just have the starting 5. I’d assume Philly look very strongly at Mudiay and Russell with the first pick, if they happened to land top pick and Okafor say was consensus number 1 then Hinkie could look to trade down a place or two to get Mudiay or Russell and get another asset as well.

    If the Lakers pick does come over this year then Hezonja, Winslow and Oubre would look solid targets.

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    • #968062
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       speaking of that five year extension, It seems to hurt small market teams the most. The twolves didn’t want to give it to kevin love because they were hoping to use it on rubio, so Love sign a 3 year deal with an option for a 4th instead of a 5 year deal with no option. I could see that happening to the bucks where Jabari or giannias gets up set because they got a 3+1 deal while the other got a 5 year deal and requesting a trade or opting out after 3 years. If this was in place when westbrook was looking for a max extension the same thing could have split the thunder up if westbrook coming off an all star third year was only offered a 3+1 with player option. He could have been up set and been playing on an opt out year this year. This rules seems to only affect small market teams since they are the ones who need to draft their best players since they usually can’t recruit top free agents.

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    • #967913
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       speaking of that five year extension, It seems to hurt small market teams the most. The twolves didn’t want to give it to kevin love because they were hoping to use it on rubio, so Love sign a 3 year deal with an option for a 4th instead of a 5 year deal with no option. I could see that happening to the bucks where Jabari or giannias gets up set because they got a 3+1 deal while the other got a 5 year deal and requesting a trade or opting out after 3 years. If this was in place when westbrook was looking for a max extension the same thing could have split the thunder up if westbrook coming off an all star third year was only offered a 3+1 with player option. He could have been up set and been playing on an opt out year this year. This rules seems to only affect small market teams since they are the ones who need to draft their best players since they usually can’t recruit top free agents.

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  • #968066
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    I always think the 5 year extension is unfair as a team can extend guys who are not on rookie deals who they own the Bird rights to for 5 years. The Cavs can give LeBron and Love 5 year deals this summer and they already have Kyrie on the 5 year rookie extension.

    Detroit could have an interesting situation this year, Monroe is a FA but they can offer him a 5 year deal and use the rookie 5 year deal on Drummond. If Monroe had been given the 5 year deal last summer they could not have offered it to Drummond.

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  • #967917
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    I always think the 5 year extension is unfair as a team can extend guys who are not on rookie deals who they own the Bird rights to for 5 years. The Cavs can give LeBron and Love 5 year deals this summer and they already have Kyrie on the 5 year rookie extension.

    Detroit could have an interesting situation this year, Monroe is a FA but they can offer him a 5 year deal and use the rookie 5 year deal on Drummond. If Monroe had been given the 5 year deal last summer they could not have offered it to Drummond.

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    • #968033
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      That’s not how it works. Each team can extend only 1 designated player to a 5-year contract. A team could have more than one player on 5-year contracts if they are acquired by trade. Detroit can only designate either Drummond or Monroe, not both.

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    • #968184
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      That’s not how it works. Each team can extend only 1 designated player to a 5-year contract. A team could have more than one player on 5-year contracts if they are acquired by trade. Detroit can only designate either Drummond or Monroe, not both.

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  • #968022
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     I just don’t understand the Sixer’s logic. Jrue got moved after an all-star year (Before Hinkie, I know), MCW is ROY, what the hell else is this franchise looking for? Mundiay is a guy who can’t shoot, isn’t that the knock on MCW? How can a guy be expected to carry a franchise when 1, he’s only played 1 year of NBA ball, 2, he has D-League players to play with. Hinkie’s an idiot & anyone who thinks he’s helping the franchise is extremely misguided. What he got for MCW was agregious, & so what if McDaniels wanted money, isn’t that what the Sixers have alot of? You mind as well use the cap space on your current roster because there’s no chance in hell any star is going to sign with them. Its a shame what’s happened to this organization. 

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  • #968174
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     I just don’t understand the Sixer’s logic. Jrue got moved after an all-star year (Before Hinkie, I know), MCW is ROY, what the hell else is this franchise looking for? Mundiay is a guy who can’t shoot, isn’t that the knock on MCW? How can a guy be expected to carry a franchise when 1, he’s only played 1 year of NBA ball, 2, he has D-League players to play with. Hinkie’s an idiot & anyone who thinks he’s helping the franchise is extremely misguided. What he got for MCW was agregious, & so what if McDaniels wanted money, isn’t that what the Sixers have alot of? You mind as well use the cap space on your current roster because there’s no chance in hell any star is going to sign with them. Its a shame what’s happened to this organization. 

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  • #968224
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     I’d think D’Angelo Russell would be a perfect fit. This kid seems to have legit #1 scoring option type potential, plus he’s a solid distributer and dynamic overall offensive player. 

    Their stockpile of Noel, and Embiid make Okafor a poor fit, unless they get the top pick, and trade down one of their young big prospects.

    A Russell, Wroten, Covington, Noel, Embiid starting lineup would undoubtedly be a step in the right direction, and if the Lakers’ pick lands outside of the top 5 they could potentially get a young wing like Winslow, or Myles Turner as an offensive option at the 4 to stretch defenses in a way Noel cannot.

    I don’t think Hinkie’s plan is all that bad. They have something like 8 picks in the 2015 draft, so my guess is they hit the trade market pretty hard on draft night, or potentially drop their D-League All-Star team on 10 day and rest of the season contracts, that is their current bench in favor of a new crop of young guys to pair with Grant, Thompson and others who have potential that they have locked up next year and beyond.

    The guys he brings in play hard, because they’re getting a great opportunity, and as a result guys like Convington have shown they belong in the NBA, and despite fielding the worst roster in the leauge, by far, they don’t have the worst record.

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  • #968073
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    JoeWolf1

     I’d think D’Angelo Russell would be a perfect fit. This kid seems to have legit #1 scoring option type potential, plus he’s a solid distributer and dynamic overall offensive player. 

    Their stockpile of Noel, and Embiid make Okafor a poor fit, unless they get the top pick, and trade down one of their young big prospects.

    A Russell, Wroten, Covington, Noel, Embiid starting lineup would undoubtedly be a step in the right direction, and if the Lakers’ pick lands outside of the top 5 they could potentially get a young wing like Winslow, or Myles Turner as an offensive option at the 4 to stretch defenses in a way Noel cannot.

    I don’t think Hinkie’s plan is all that bad. They have something like 8 picks in the 2015 draft, so my guess is they hit the trade market pretty hard on draft night, or potentially drop their D-League All-Star team on 10 day and rest of the season contracts, that is their current bench in favor of a new crop of young guys to pair with Grant, Thompson and others who have potential that they have locked up next year and beyond.

    The guys he brings in play hard, because they’re getting a great opportunity, and as a result guys like Convington have shown they belong in the NBA, and despite fielding the worst roster in the leauge, by far, they don’t have the worst record.

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