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  • #59098
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    don042488
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    I think the Brooklyn Nets or the Toronto Raptors are the best landing spots for the disgruntled center, Enes Kanter. The Brooklyn Nets could use a replacement for Brook Lopez, and I feel Kanter at center, with Mason Plumlee at power forward would compliment each other well. Kanter lacks in quickness, pick & roll defense, and protecting the rim, but those are all of Mason Plumlee’s strengths. The Raptors on the other hand been shopping Terrence Ross for months now in an attempt to get bigger down low. Kanter , Jonas, Amir Johnson, & Patrick Patterson would give the Raptors a nice big man combination.
    Checkout the trades below

    3 Way trade between the Nets, Thunder, & Jazz

    Brooklyn Nets receives: Enes Kanter, Jeremy Lamb, & Perry Jones

    Oklahoma City Thunder receives: Brook Lopez

    Utah Jazz receives: Kendrick Perkins, 2nd round picks from both the Nets & Thunder respectively, and the draft rights to 7’1 German center, Tibor Pleiss, from the Thunder

    Trade between the Raptors & Jazz

    Toronto Raptors receives: Enes Kanter
    Utah Jazz receives: Terrence Ross, Tyler Hansbrough, and a future 2nd round pick

    Both trades work financially as I tried it in the ESPN trade machine

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  • #966200
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    prophetmeir
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    Think Boston should give up one of their protected picks for him, could be a nice try. I would like to see dalls go after him to help with playoff push

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    • #966206
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      don042488
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      I think Enes Kanter would be redundant to Kelly Olynek, a skilled inside-outside center, who’s slow footed on defense, and doesn’t get above the rim. Jared Sullinger NEEDS to be paired with an athletic big, whether the Celtics alleviate that through a trade to acquire a player such as Meyners Leonard, the draft with Willie Cauley-Stein, or through free agency with the signing of someone such as DeAndre Jordan, the Celtics desperately needs an athletic shot blocking center.

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      • #966208
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        For_Never_Ever
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         Olynek and Sullenger aren’t in the Celtics long term plan. These two aren’t untouchables type young talent. 

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        • #966212
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          Maybe Olynek isn’t, but Sullinger definitely is. If Sullinger sheds his weight and tones his body down I think he’ll be in good enough condition to put up Kevin Love (Minnesota Timberwolves version) like numbers for the Celtics.

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          • #966214
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            For_Never_Ever
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            You crazy thinking he can put up Kevin Love type numbers. 

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            • #966218
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              For_Never_Ever
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               He might have a similar style to Love. But he is even shorter and more unathletic, also a really bad defender. He has become almost an exclusive three point shooter on offense because he isn’t a great low post player, and isn’t able to get his shot off in the paint against taller more athletic defenders.

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            • #966365
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               He might have a similar style to Love. But he is even shorter and more unathletic, also a really bad defender. He has become almost an exclusive three point shooter on offense because he isn’t a great low post player, and isn’t able to get his shot off in the paint against taller more athletic defenders.

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          • #966361
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            For_Never_Ever
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            You crazy thinking he can put up Kevin Love type numbers. 

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          • #966409
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            mgreener_34
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             "If Sullinger sheds his weight and tones his body down I think he’ll be in good enough condition"

            That’s the thing though, Sully has had years now to shed the weight, and still hasn’t. The Celtics have even requested that he come into camp in shape, and two years in a row now he has come in bad condition. I’m guessing he will never get toned down, and that’s scary considering his injury history. 

            Sully and Kanter are a wash for me. Both are me first players who seem like the only reason they play ball is because of the money and recognition. Neither one is loyal, both have horrible on court demeaner, and they don’t have the teams best interests at heart (Kanter being a ball-hog, and Sully jacking up 3’s). I would rather have Sully though because he plays in the system, and will actually pass the ball. He’s also a very smart player

            I think both players suffer from playing on teams without a dominant all-star caliber player. Their heads are too big right now, and they over-value their respective worth to a team. If Sully had played more with KG, Pierce, and Rondo I bet things would be a lot different. Same could be said about Kanter. That’s why it’s so important to impose a winning culture in sports. 

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          • #966262
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             "If Sullinger sheds his weight and tones his body down I think he’ll be in good enough condition"

            That’s the thing though, Sully has had years now to shed the weight, and still hasn’t. The Celtics have even requested that he come into camp in shape, and two years in a row now he has come in bad condition. I’m guessing he will never get toned down, and that’s scary considering his injury history. 

            Sully and Kanter are a wash for me. Both are me first players who seem like the only reason they play ball is because of the money and recognition. Neither one is loyal, both have horrible on court demeaner, and they don’t have the teams best interests at heart (Kanter being a ball-hog, and Sully jacking up 3’s). I would rather have Sully though because he plays in the system, and will actually pass the ball. He’s also a very smart player

            I think both players suffer from playing on teams without a dominant all-star caliber player. Their heads are too big right now, and they over-value their respective worth to a team. If Sully had played more with KG, Pierce, and Rondo I bet things would be a lot different. Same could be said about Kanter. That’s why it’s so important to impose a winning culture in sports. 

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        • #966359
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          don042488
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          Maybe Olynek isn’t, but Sullinger definitely is. If Sullinger sheds his weight and tones his body down I think he’ll be in good enough condition to put up Kevin Love (Minnesota Timberwolves version) like numbers for the Celtics.

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        • #966405
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          I strongly disagree with you. Don’t get me wrong there are only a handful of untouchable players in the NBA and obviously these two guys aren’t untouchable but I believe they could be part of the long term future. Maybe they trade one or the other but to say they aren’t part of the long term plans is flat out wrong. Unless your Danny Ainge then I stand corrected. 

          When it comes to you saying Sulinger is "almost an exclusive three point shooter" clearly you don’t watch the Celtics, I can’t blame you. Sullinger is currently taking 13.1 shots per game with 3.4 shots coming from 3. Celtics aren’t winning a championship this season Sully is trying to develop the 3 this year, saying he’s only shoots 3’s is a little dramatic.

          FYI Sully is averaging 14.4 ppg 8.1 rpg and 2.4 ast. Not a superstar but for a guy who missed litterally half is rookie season and is still only 23 not too bad.

           

            

           

           

           

           

           

           

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        • #966258
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          I strongly disagree with you. Don’t get me wrong there are only a handful of untouchable players in the NBA and obviously these two guys aren’t untouchable but I believe they could be part of the long term future. Maybe they trade one or the other but to say they aren’t part of the long term plans is flat out wrong. Unless your Danny Ainge then I stand corrected. 

          When it comes to you saying Sulinger is "almost an exclusive three point shooter" clearly you don’t watch the Celtics, I can’t blame you. Sullinger is currently taking 13.1 shots per game with 3.4 shots coming from 3. Celtics aren’t winning a championship this season Sully is trying to develop the 3 this year, saying he’s only shoots 3’s is a little dramatic.

          FYI Sully is averaging 14.4 ppg 8.1 rpg and 2.4 ast. Not a superstar but for a guy who missed litterally half is rookie season and is still only 23 not too bad.

           

            

           

           

           

           

           

           

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      • #966355
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        For_Never_Ever
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         Olynek and Sullenger aren’t in the Celtics long term plan. These two aren’t untouchables type young talent. 

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    • #966353
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      don042488
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      I think Enes Kanter would be redundant to Kelly Olynek, a skilled inside-outside center, who’s slow footed on defense, and doesn’t get above the rim. Jared Sullinger NEEDS to be paired with an athletic big, whether the Celtics alleviate that through a trade to acquire a player such as Meyners Leonard, the draft with Willie Cauley-Stein, or through free agency with the signing of someone such as DeAndre Jordan, the Celtics desperately needs an athletic shot blocking center.

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  • #966347
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    prophetmeir
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    Think Boston should give up one of their protected picks for him, could be a nice try. I would like to see dalls go after him to help with playoff push

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  • #966204
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    rockets should give him a look.  they have a ton of pf’s but no real center behind dwight.  i’d offer terrence jones, a filler contract and a 2nd round pick for kanter.

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       I wouldn’t give up Terrance Jones for Enes Kanter.  To me, Jones is definitely the better player.  I understand that with Josh Smith and Motiejunas that the PF position is a little crowded, but Kanter is not good enough on defense or reliable enough on offense to give up a young, blossoming player like Terrence Jones.  Before his injury earlier this season, Jones was playing some really good basketball for the Rockets. 

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    • #966377
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       I wouldn’t give up Terrance Jones for Enes Kanter.  To me, Jones is definitely the better player.  I understand that with Josh Smith and Motiejunas that the PF position is a little crowded, but Kanter is not good enough on defense or reliable enough on offense to give up a young, blossoming player like Terrence Jones.  Before his injury earlier this season, Jones was playing some really good basketball for the Rockets. 

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  • #966351
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    rockets should give him a look.  they have a ton of pf’s but no real center behind dwight.  i’d offer terrence jones, a filler contract and a 2nd round pick for kanter.

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  • #966240
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    Since when are the Raptors shopping Terrance Ross?? He’s the one player who stretches the floor and probably has the most room for growth of anyone on the team, and it’s not like he’s going to break the bank when he gets an extension. Show me a link please(a credible link, not a bleacher report article or a tweet from someone in media).

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  • #966387
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    Since when are the Raptors shopping Terrance Ross?? He’s the one player who stretches the floor and probably has the most room for growth of anyone on the team, and it’s not like he’s going to break the bank when he gets an extension. Show me a link please(a credible link, not a bleacher report article or a tweet from someone in media).

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  • #966246
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    The Jazz let Millsap and Jefferson walk away for free and got nothing back on either one of them.

    The Jazz did not want to sign Kanter for $7.8 mill. Although he is a big body and has a nice shooting touch he has slow feet, weak defensively and not a shot blocker.

    I have a feeling Kanter wants to be a starter somewhere else and wants to be PAID. Problem is I just dont’ think he is a starter in this league.

    This year the centre position has been strengthened. No play off team will want Kanter and even the lotto teams have good young centres. Orlando, Sacramento, Jazz, Wolves, Nuggets even the Nets and Sixers have decent option young centres.

    The only teams I can think of that might be after him – New York, Lakers and possibly the Celtics. I think Ainge won’t pay too much, but the Lakers and Knicks have been known to overpay players – although I think both have learnt their lessons in recent times. Okafor and Towns are both coming in the league also. Lakers have Randle up front – not a great shotblocker, him and Kanter would not be ideal.

    Kanter is probably wanting a 5 year deal at $10-12 mill per season, with the emerging young centres I just dont’ think he gets it. Who is going to pay that for a guy that is not a guaranteed starter ?

    I personally reckon the Jazz would be lucky to get a second rounder for him…..

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    The Jazz let Millsap and Jefferson walk away for free and got nothing back on either one of them.

    The Jazz did not want to sign Kanter for $7.8 mill. Although he is a big body and has a nice shooting touch he has slow feet, weak defensively and not a shot blocker.

    I have a feeling Kanter wants to be a starter somewhere else and wants to be PAID. Problem is I just dont’ think he is a starter in this league.

    This year the centre position has been strengthened. No play off team will want Kanter and even the lotto teams have good young centres. Orlando, Sacramento, Jazz, Wolves, Nuggets even the Nets and Sixers have decent option young centres.

    The only teams I can think of that might be after him – New York, Lakers and possibly the Celtics. I think Ainge won’t pay too much, but the Lakers and Knicks have been known to overpay players – although I think both have learnt their lessons in recent times. Okafor and Towns are both coming in the league also. Lakers have Randle up front – not a great shotblocker, him and Kanter would not be ideal.

    Kanter is probably wanting a 5 year deal at $10-12 mill per season, with the emerging young centres I just dont’ think he gets it. Who is going to pay that for a guy that is not a guaranteed starter ?

    I personally reckon the Jazz would be lucky to get a second rounder for him…..

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  • #966403
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     I’d be a bit surprised if a team like the Lakers or the Knicks went in for him but a lot could depend where and who they draft. The Lakers will want to pair someone with Randle long term so it could be via draft or FA.

    A lot could depend what Greg Monroe does, as a lot of teams will be chasing him this summer.

    Do Utah try to get something back for him if they are intent on not paying him this summer. Sam Hinkie moved the similarly high drafted Evan Turner for Danny Grainger and a 2nd rounder last year. Utah might feel it is better to get something rather than nothing.

    Back to Philly, they need to fill cap space so might Hinkie look to push one of his 2nd rounders to Utah for Kanter. That way Philly fill a bit of cap space, they can use Kanter in rotation and they hold his RFA rights so Hinkie might be able to do an S and T in the summer?

     

     

     

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  • #966256
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     I’d be a bit surprised if a team like the Lakers or the Knicks went in for him but a lot could depend where and who they draft. The Lakers will want to pair someone with Randle long term so it could be via draft or FA.

    A lot could depend what Greg Monroe does, as a lot of teams will be chasing him this summer.

    Do Utah try to get something back for him if they are intent on not paying him this summer. Sam Hinkie moved the similarly high drafted Evan Turner for Danny Grainger and a 2nd rounder last year. Utah might feel it is better to get something rather than nothing.

    Back to Philly, they need to fill cap space so might Hinkie look to push one of his 2nd rounders to Utah for Kanter. That way Philly fill a bit of cap space, they can use Kanter in rotation and they hold his RFA rights so Hinkie might be able to do an S and T in the summer?

     

     

     

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  • #966459
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     He was always an interesting prospect, with the size and skills and very little basketball in high-profile settings before being drafted, but now Kanter seems to be Boozer with more attitude problems.  That has to hurt his trade value, as his new team will be worried about Kanter demanding max money.  Few steals or blocks or assists, he can score and rebound but really isn’t a team player.  That would make him a great player to have off the bench as a scorer for a second unit that struggles to score, but he won’t accept that or the salary for it.

    The Toronto suggestion was a good one, as a destination, but the price was too high with Ross.  

    The Nets one won’t work, as they are trying to pay less money but by adding Kanter might end up with another $75million of future money to pay.  Plus B Lopez is much better than Kanter.

    The Houston trade idea, that is a good destination, but the price to pay is hard to figure out.  Kanter for K Papa and a couple of second rounders, or maybe Capela is added, but I don’t think Houston would move Jones who can do so much more than Kanter.

    Kanter might be a rental for teams, so Utah should mvoe him but may get little in return.  But they have Gibert so just moving Kanter out a few months before he leaves anyway will just mean more blocks and minutes for Gobert.

    Are there other disgruntled players from the Kanter draft, he could be moved for D Williams or someone like that, in a trade where both teams are happy to just move along players and get someone new.

     

     

     

     

     

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     He was always an interesting prospect, with the size and skills and very little basketball in high-profile settings before being drafted, but now Kanter seems to be Boozer with more attitude problems.  That has to hurt his trade value, as his new team will be worried about Kanter demanding max money.  Few steals or blocks or assists, he can score and rebound but really isn’t a team player.  That would make him a great player to have off the bench as a scorer for a second unit that struggles to score, but he won’t accept that or the salary for it.

    The Toronto suggestion was a good one, as a destination, but the price was too high with Ross.  

    The Nets one won’t work, as they are trying to pay less money but by adding Kanter might end up with another $75million of future money to pay.  Plus B Lopez is much better than Kanter.

    The Houston trade idea, that is a good destination, but the price to pay is hard to figure out.  Kanter for K Papa and a couple of second rounders, or maybe Capela is added, but I don’t think Houston would move Jones who can do so much more than Kanter.

    Kanter might be a rental for teams, so Utah should mvoe him but may get little in return.  But they have Gibert so just moving Kanter out a few months before he leaves anyway will just mean more blocks and minutes for Gobert.

    Are there other disgruntled players from the Kanter draft, he could be moved for D Williams or someone like that, in a trade where both teams are happy to just move along players and get someone new.

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #966408
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    The thing about Kanter I wanted to stress, is that he is not just a not-very-good defender, he is a terrible defender, possibly the worst in the whole NBA at the center position (which is probably the most important defensive position). For example, his ranking among centers in ESPN’s defensive real-plus-minus is dead last.

    His offense is nowhere near good enough to make up for that. He’s a black hole who never passes; he can score down low but his efficiency is just so-so.

    Plus he seems like a jerk. It doesn’t seem like his teammates like him, and he clearly overvalues himself as shown by his trade demand. He’s still very young (22), so he might get his head straight, and improve his skills. But to me it seems his core problem is he’s just too slow.

    My team (Knicks) is in need of a center. I hope we don’t get him.

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    The thing about Kanter I wanted to stress, is that he is not just a not-very-good defender, he is a terrible defender, possibly the worst in the whole NBA at the center position (which is probably the most important defensive position). For example, his ranking among centers in ESPN’s defensive real-plus-minus is dead last.

    His offense is nowhere near good enough to make up for that. He’s a black hole who never passes; he can score down low but his efficiency is just so-so.

    Plus he seems like a jerk. It doesn’t seem like his teammates like him, and he clearly overvalues himself as shown by his trade demand. He’s still very young (22), so he might get his head straight, and improve his skills. But to me it seems his core problem is he’s just too slow.

    My team (Knicks) is in need of a center. I hope we don’t get him.

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