I think Stanley Johnson would be a great fit for them. Tobias is a tweener, who I think despite his talent is not a 3, but a stretch 4. 

I think Johnson has quite a bit of potential, and nabbing him could give them a capable, strong bodied defender, with the potential to grow as an offensive player (.393% from 3 point this year). I really think he could be a high teenslow twenties scorer who plays two positions. Kind of like Jimmy Butler.

The Payton/Oladipo backcourt still has appeal to me, and it’s something I think Orlando should be patient with. We knew coming into the year that Elfrid was a limited scorer, and Vic is better and more efficient accross the board despite starting the year on the injury list. 

Towns could have some appeal for the Magic as well. Vucevic is a great young player, but he’s not a shot blocker. Towns isn’t ready to start off the bat, but bringing him off the bench could be a big boost for Orlando as early as next year.

 I think Stanley Johnson would be a great fit for them. Tobias is a tweener, who I think despite his talent is not a 3, but a stretch 4. 

I think Johnson has quite a bit of potential, and nabbing him could give them a capable, strong bodied defender, with the potential to grow as an offensive player (.393% from 3 point this year). I really think he could be a high teenslow twenties scorer who plays two positions. Kind of like Jimmy Butler.

The Payton/Oladipo backcourt still has appeal to me, and it’s something I think Orlando should be patient with. We knew coming into the year that Elfrid was a limited scorer, and Vic is better and more efficient accross the board despite starting the year on the injury list. 

Towns could have some appeal for the Magic as well. Vucevic is a great young player, but he’s not a shot blocker. Towns isn’t ready to start off the bat, but bringing him off the bench could be a big boost for Orlando as early as next year.

Honestly this team is just lacking Potential IMO, Everyone raves about the young guys they have but there really not that great. They have a chance to be decent but aside from NIk everyone else could easily be replaced .

Honestly this team is just lacking Potential IMO, Everyone raves about the young guys they have but there really not that great. They have a chance to be decent but aside from NIk everyone else could easily be replaced .

 Do yall think Victor O is a future star?? Or is he just a role player?

 Do yall think Victor O is a future star?? Or is he just a role player?

 I completely agree, and in the "worst team in the league" thread that was posted the other day, I cast my vote for the Orlando Magic. Here are some of the stats I used to back it up:

The Magic are 28th in the league in rebounding, even with Vucevic sporting a near 20% rebounding rate.

The Magic are almost dead last in blocks in the NBA.

The Magic are 13th in the NBA is pace, but only 24th in PPG. You just can’t win games like that. They’re the run without the gun right now. 

I think a lot of their problems just come from poor veteran leadership, and even worse coaching. The team has absolutely no identity right now, and the players have no one to show them how things are supposed to be done. If they had a coach who could better utalize their talents/athletisism, and actually orcastrate an offense/defense than this team would be showing a lot more than it has. They could also use a few more veterans who could help that orcastration, because right now it’s just follow the leader in Orlando, and no ones stepping up. 

I completely disagree with the above poster though, and think the Magic have a bunch of good talent on their roster. Olidipo and Vucevic have proven to me that both of them can be good 3rd options on a championship team when they get it going, and other players have shown promise as well. 

I really like what I’ve seen from Evan Fournier this year. He’s only 22, and is putting up 12/2/3 on very good percentages. He has the chance to be a lights out shooter who can also play great team ball. Every championship team would love to have a guy like that. 

Tobias has lived up to his "Melo-lite" tag this year while putting up 17/7/2 with really impressive shooting numbers (and shotty defense). Remember guys, Tobias is only 22 as well, so to be able to score like he does at this age is still very impressive. I know a lot of people don’t like Tobias, and a lot of Magic fans don’t want to sign him, but he still has a lot of room to grow, and can easily be a 20 ppg scorer in this league. 

The rookies still have a lot to prove, but they’re rookies. This was expected from them. Let the team grow and mature, and I bet the Magic will be a perenial playoff team for years. Get a coach like Mike Malone, and some solid veterans to mix it up, and enjoy watching the young guys learn how to win. 

 I completely agree, and in the "worst team in the league" thread that was posted the other day, I cast my vote for the Orlando Magic. Here are some of the stats I used to back it up:

The Magic are 28th in the league in rebounding, even with Vucevic sporting a near 20% rebounding rate.

The Magic are almost dead last in blocks in the NBA.

The Magic are 13th in the NBA is pace, but only 24th in PPG. You just can’t win games like that. They’re the run without the gun right now. 

I think a lot of their problems just come from poor veteran leadership, and even worse coaching. The team has absolutely no identity right now, and the players have no one to show them how things are supposed to be done. If they had a coach who could better utalize their talents/athletisism, and actually orcastrate an offense/defense than this team would be showing a lot more than it has. They could also use a few more veterans who could help that orcastration, because right now it’s just follow the leader in Orlando, and no ones stepping up. 

I completely disagree with the above poster though, and think the Magic have a bunch of good talent on their roster. Olidipo and Vucevic have proven to me that both of them can be good 3rd options on a championship team when they get it going, and other players have shown promise as well. 

I really like what I’ve seen from Evan Fournier this year. He’s only 22, and is putting up 12/2/3 on very good percentages. He has the chance to be a lights out shooter who can also play great team ball. Every championship team would love to have a guy like that. 

Tobias has lived up to his "Melo-lite" tag this year while putting up 17/7/2 with really impressive shooting numbers (and shotty defense). Remember guys, Tobias is only 22 as well, so to be able to score like he does at this age is still very impressive. I know a lot of people don’t like Tobias, and a lot of Magic fans don’t want to sign him, but he still has a lot of room to grow, and can easily be a 20 ppg scorer in this league. 

The rookies still have a lot to prove, but they’re rookies. This was expected from them. Let the team grow and mature, and I bet the Magic will be a perenial playoff team for years. Get a coach like Mike Malone, and some solid veterans to mix it up, and enjoy watching the young guys learn how to win. 

 Don’t the Magic need someone who can shoot? They drafted Gordon and Payton who don’t shoot well. Harris is a post-up three/mid range type guy and low volume 3 shooter. Dipo isn’t a threat from three. When your PF is the only shooter, there are major issues. 

The Magic have talented players. Tobias is a nice player, Dipo is solid, Vucevic is really good, but for some reason they still can’t win. That has to be frustrating. 

 Don’t the Magic need someone who can shoot? They drafted Gordon and Payton who don’t shoot well. Harris is a post-up three/mid range type guy and low volume 3 shooter. Dipo isn’t a threat from three. When your PF is the only shooter, there are major issues. 

The Magic have talented players. Tobias is a nice player, Dipo is solid, Vucevic is really good, but for some reason they still can’t win. That has to be frustrating. 

This is what I love about the NBA: Going into last year, if you were to simply compare rosters, would a team like Phoenix have really looked all that different from a team like Orlando? In terms of how high players were drafted, youth, experience, etc. Would you think that a year and a half later, one team would be four games over .500 and in the thick of the playoff hunt in the west, while the other would be 23 games under .500 in the lowly east?

Going into the beginning of last year, both teams had inexperienced head coaches, with Hornacek debuting and Vaughn beginning his second season.

 Phoenix had signed Eric Bledsoe, but he only averaged about 15 points for the Clippers, so it didn’t appear to be a "blockbuster" signing. Dragic was right around there in scoring. They were coming off a brutal 25-win season. They had the No. 5 overall pick. 

Orlando was coming off a 20-win season, but had the No. 2 overall pick, as well as a promising Vucevic returning, who averaged a somewhat surprising 13 and 12 the previous year.

Who could’ve guessed the totally separate directions the two franchises would go from there? Despite fielding lineups devoid of superstars, Phoenix gets career years out of Dragic, Bledose, Gerald Green, and the Morris twins, while getting pretty much nothing from their No. 5 overall pick, Alex Len.

Orlando gets a very impressive rookie campaign from its top pick, Victor Oladipo, decent statistical production from Vucevic, but piles up the losses.

 A year later, Afflalo and Nelson are gone, ‘Dipo is still learning, two new lottery picks, Payton and Gordon, are taking their rookie lumps, all of the aforementioned flaws are obvious, Vaughn is fired, and the entire roster is questioned.

Phoenix, however, notches 48 wins last year, narrowly missing the playoffs, and proves that it wasn’t a fluke by remaining relevant this year. The IT signing bolsters the backcourt depth, Dragic, Bledsoe, and the Morrises continue to perform consistently, and Len is starting to produce in small but meaningful doses.

What explains such drastically different results from two similarly mediocre-looking rosters? Is it all coaching? Is Hornacek that much better than Vaughn? Is the Phoenix front office that much more competent than Orlando’s front office? Some luck? A combination of factors? 

This is what I love about the NBA: Going into last year, if you were to simply compare rosters, would a team like Phoenix have really looked all that different from a team like Orlando? In terms of how high players were drafted, youth, experience, etc. Would you think that a year and a half later, one team would be four games over .500 and in the thick of the playoff hunt in the west, while the other would be 23 games under .500 in the lowly east?

Going into the beginning of last year, both teams had inexperienced head coaches, with Hornacek debuting and Vaughn beginning his second season.

 Phoenix had signed Eric Bledsoe, but he only averaged about 15 points for the Clippers, so it didn’t appear to be a "blockbuster" signing. Dragic was right around there in scoring. They were coming off a brutal 25-win season. They had the No. 5 overall pick. 

Orlando was coming off a 20-win season, but had the No. 2 overall pick, as well as a promising Vucevic returning, who averaged a somewhat surprising 13 and 12 the previous year.

Who could’ve guessed the totally separate directions the two franchises would go from there? Despite fielding lineups devoid of superstars, Phoenix gets career years out of Dragic, Bledose, Gerald Green, and the Morris twins, while getting pretty much nothing from their No. 5 overall pick, Alex Len.

Orlando gets a very impressive rookie campaign from its top pick, Victor Oladipo, decent statistical production from Vucevic, but piles up the losses.

 A year later, Afflalo and Nelson are gone, ‘Dipo is still learning, two new lottery picks, Payton and Gordon, are taking their rookie lumps, all of the aforementioned flaws are obvious, Vaughn is fired, and the entire roster is questioned.

Phoenix, however, notches 48 wins last year, narrowly missing the playoffs, and proves that it wasn’t a fluke by remaining relevant this year. The IT signing bolsters the backcourt depth, Dragic, Bledsoe, and the Morrises continue to perform consistently, and Len is starting to produce in small but meaningful doses.

What explains such drastically different results from two similarly mediocre-looking rosters? Is it all coaching? Is Hornacek that much better than Vaughn? Is the Phoenix front office that much more competent than Orlando’s front office? Some luck? A combination of factors? 

They’re the utah of the east. Some nice players but all together not a good fit. They probably should look to collect assets and make a trade that lands them a good player that fits their need, which right now is shooting. It doesn’t help they’re all really young (except Frye) and their all developing and learning at the same time, which really hurts

They’re the utah of the east. Some nice players but all together not a good fit. They probably should look to collect assets and make a trade that lands them a good player that fits their need, which right now is shooting. It doesn’t help they’re all really young (except Frye) and their all developing and learning at the same time, which really hurts

I am not sold on Gordon, I still reckon they should of taken Julius Randle at 4 instead of Gordon….

I am not sold on Gordon, I still reckon they should of taken Julius Randle at 4 instead of Gordon….

there a really young team.. of course there not gnna be good… payton is 20.. oladipo is 22.. vucevic is 24.. harris is 22.. you get my point.. i think they have a lot of potential to be good in the future.. payton and oladipo should make a nice backcourt.. vucevic is already estalbished himself as a beast inside.. aaron gordon still has a high ceiling as well.. yeah its cliche just to say "be patient" but its how teams built with young talent get better

there a really young team.. of course there not gnna be good… payton is 20.. oladipo is 22.. vucevic is 24.. harris is 22.. you get my point.. i think they have a lot of potential to be good in the future.. payton and oladipo should make a nice backcourt.. vucevic is already estalbished himself as a beast inside.. aaron gordon still has a high ceiling as well.. yeah its cliche just to say "be patient" but its how teams built with young talent get better

I absolutely adore Vucevic, he looks like a man among boys out there at times (on offense). I cannot wait to continue to see his development. If Vucevic can indeed pick up a defensive game then he will be the best Center in the league no question.

Outside of Vucevic though I don’t see much potential. Oladipo is a good player, and I think he will be a good player for a very long time but I don’t think he will ever be great. I’m not sold on Aaron Gordon or Elfrid Payton at all.

I do like Tobias Harris quite a bit, but like Joe said I think he would be better utilized as a mobile/stretch four. I’ve been pretty disappointed in Moe Harkless, he showed a lot of promise the last couple of years and this year he’s just been a dud. His shooting is way down and he’s slowly falling out of the rotation on a pretty bad team. I think he could use a change of scenery…or a shooting coach.

I absolutely adore Vucevic, he looks like a man among boys out there at times (on offense). I cannot wait to continue to see his development. If Vucevic can indeed pick up a defensive game then he will be the best Center in the league no question.

Outside of Vucevic though I don’t see much potential. Oladipo is a good player, and I think he will be a good player for a very long time but I don’t think he will ever be great. I’m not sold on Aaron Gordon or Elfrid Payton at all.

I do like Tobias Harris quite a bit, but like Joe said I think he would be better utilized as a mobile/stretch four. I’ve been pretty disappointed in Moe Harkless, he showed a lot of promise the last couple of years and this year he’s just been a dud. His shooting is way down and he’s slowly falling out of the rotation on a pretty bad team. I think he could use a change of scenery…or a shooting coach.

 2-4 years and I think they will develop into a very solid team. Assuming that the front office doesn’t go full retard

 2-4 years and I think they will develop into a very solid team. Assuming that the front office doesn’t go full retard