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- Posted on: Tue, 02/10/2015 - 7:23pm #59078

bloodshyParticipantAbout three weeks ago Exum took over the starting role for the Jazz, moving Trey Burke to the bench and into the sixth man role. Neither player played great before the move statistically, and even after the switch, neither has consistently done anything great offensively. This has led some, who failed to note the team impact, to underestimate the importance of the move.
Since Exum joined the starting lineup the Jazz are 5-5, with wins over MIL, BKN, GS, SAC, and NO and losses to BOS, LAC, POR, MEM, and PHO. All losses were close and none was by more than 10. 5-5 may not sound like much, but it’s an improvement considering their 14-28 overall record prior to the switch.
One notable change on O is that Exum does not look for his own shot. He is never the big story in a win and never shoots the team out of a game either. The most frustrating thing about watching Exum on O is how tentative he is. He rarely takes bad shots, but he has the tools to really pressure the D on virtually every play, but he lacks the confidence (and maybe the strength/body) to be as disruptive as I think he will be in the future. However, the fact that he is always looking to pass (and not just for the one-pass assist), has been creating more opportunities for everyone, and for Hayward in particular. Exum has also been a clear improvement for the starting unit on D.
The effect on Hayward has been big. Overall Hayward’s USG with Dante is 33%, compared to 23% with Trey. As a result, Hayward’s numbers have adjusted upward as Dante’s had more time with him on the floor. Since Dante took over the starting role Hayward has scored 20+ in 8 of 10 games and has averaged 23.9 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 4.6 apg on 50.3 fg% and 47.7 3pt% over that stretch.
10 games is hardly a conclusive sample size, but thus far Dante’s starting has had a nice impact on the Jazz, even if his performance looks very suspect statistically. As he gains muscle, grows into his frame, and gains confidence, I think Dante will become a very formidable player and a nice long-term fit. The Jazz are already a fun team to watch right now. It will be interesting to see how they compete in 2-3 years with Hayward/Favors firmly in their prime and Dante growing into an NBA body with a few years of experience under his belt.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 02/10/2015 - 8:37pm #965944

tuck243ParticipantI mention this in another thread, but I’ll play devil’s advocate…
The last 10 games Dante is shooting 31% and scoring 5 points a game. Exum not taking any shots is smart, but what team can afford a player shooting that poorly while playing 28 minutes per contest? The worse part about that is, Trey Burke is their other option. Over the last 10 games Burke is shooting 35%, but taking a number of shots to average 12 points. It’s more like addition by subtraction.
The Jazz backcourt is piss poor… Utah have to wait until one of their 1st round picks of the last 2 drafts play like he belong in this league for the long haul. Exum has stepped up defensively and I do agree that he’s timid offensively, but this the NBA. He has to produce more than his current output. He’s lucky because Trey Burke is struggling too.
The more I look at their games and look at these stats, I’m not sure why Hayward doesn’t take more shots. Even more than he’s currently taking the last 10 games (especially sense he’s considered a "star").
Side bar: Derrick Favors jumper improved, but he REALLY need to get in the gym and perfect that shot. He’s getting a lot of 15-18 footers that he should be able to hit by now.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 02/10/2015 - 8:37pm #966091

tuck243ParticipantI mention this in another thread, but I’ll play devil’s advocate…
The last 10 games Dante is shooting 31% and scoring 5 points a game. Exum not taking any shots is smart, but what team can afford a player shooting that poorly while playing 28 minutes per contest? The worse part about that is, Trey Burke is their other option. Over the last 10 games Burke is shooting 35%, but taking a number of shots to average 12 points. It’s more like addition by subtraction.
The Jazz backcourt is piss poor… Utah have to wait until one of their 1st round picks of the last 2 drafts play like he belong in this league for the long haul. Exum has stepped up defensively and I do agree that he’s timid offensively, but this the NBA. He has to produce more than his current output. He’s lucky because Trey Burke is struggling too.
The more I look at their games and look at these stats, I’m not sure why Hayward doesn’t take more shots. Even more than he’s currently taking the last 10 games (especially sense he’s considered a "star").
Side bar: Derrick Favors jumper improved, but he REALLY need to get in the gym and perfect that shot. He’s getting a lot of 15-18 footers that he should be able to hit by now.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/11/2015 - 5:07am #965994

bloodshyParticipantEvery point you made is spot on. My perspective really is a glass half full approach.
In a way it really is addition by subtraction. Dante is really only playing well on D. On O the production is lacking. However, he is careful and never plays hero-ball, so he doesn’t really hurt the team, though he doesn’t help much either at this point. Sadly, that’s an upgrade over Burke thus far. On the other hand, Dante’s huge upside is still apparent on O, which makes me look forward to the future.
As for Hayward, I’d hold off on calling him a star at this point, but he may be if he maintains his current trajectory.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/11/2015 - 5:07am #966141

bloodshyParticipantEvery point you made is spot on. My perspective really is a glass half full approach.
In a way it really is addition by subtraction. Dante is really only playing well on D. On O the production is lacking. However, he is careful and never plays hero-ball, so he doesn’t really hurt the team, though he doesn’t help much either at this point. Sadly, that’s an upgrade over Burke thus far. On the other hand, Dante’s huge upside is still apparent on O, which makes me look forward to the future.
As for Hayward, I’d hold off on calling him a star at this point, but he may be if he maintains his current trajectory.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/11/2015 - 5:08am #965996

high floorParticipantGobert is the real deal too. A defensive stud. He is so freakin’ fluid for a guy 7’2′ and has good basketball instincts with his passing & manageable FT%.
Utah has quickly turned into my favorite rebuild. When Exum canned 5 threes a couple weeks ago I was really surprised. If he can shoot & turns the corner with his confidence like Wiggins has he’ll be a tremendous player.
Hayward has been excellent lately, and is closing the gap between himself and the best SF’s in the game. Favor’s is nice too.. I like Utah a lot.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/11/2015 - 5:08am #966143

high floorParticipantGobert is the real deal too. A defensive stud. He is so freakin’ fluid for a guy 7’2′ and has good basketball instincts with his passing & manageable FT%.
Utah has quickly turned into my favorite rebuild. When Exum canned 5 threes a couple weeks ago I was really surprised. If he can shoot & turns the corner with his confidence like Wiggins has he’ll be a tremendous player.
Hayward has been excellent lately, and is closing the gap between himself and the best SF’s in the game. Favor’s is nice too.. I like Utah a lot.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/11/2015 - 5:21am #966145
Ebown5ParticipantI love Dante Exum, and think that the Jazz have a lot of good young talent. My only concern for them is who is going to be the franchise player?
Hayward is a good player that has taken another step forward this year, but he isn’t the type of guy that you want to be your best player. Gobert is an exciting prospect, but he doesn’t have superstar potential either. Favors is in the same boat.
Really Exum is their only player that COULD develop into a superstar someday, but he his pretty far away from that.
The Jazz have been drafting well over the last 5 years or so, but they are a good example of an organization whose rebuild has talken too long. Their prospects start getting to their second contracts, before they found their star. That is always the risk. Once the second contracts start coming, rebuilding becomes a lot harder because the roster becomes more expensive.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/11/2015 - 5:21am #965998
Ebown5ParticipantI love Dante Exum, and think that the Jazz have a lot of good young talent. My only concern for them is who is going to be the franchise player?
Hayward is a good player that has taken another step forward this year, but he isn’t the type of guy that you want to be your best player. Gobert is an exciting prospect, but he doesn’t have superstar potential either. Favors is in the same boat.
Really Exum is their only player that COULD develop into a superstar someday, but he his pretty far away from that.
The Jazz have been drafting well over the last 5 years or so, but they are a good example of an organization whose rebuild has talken too long. Their prospects start getting to their second contracts, before they found their star. That is always the risk. Once the second contracts start coming, rebuilding becomes a lot harder because the roster becomes more expensive.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/11/2015 - 9:45am #966199

mgreener_34ParticipantI don’t think the Jazz’s recent play is condusive to Exum, and more so on the fact that Gordon Hayward is averaging 24/6/5 on 50% shooting over his last 10 games. Same could be said for Kanter who’s been going off lately with 15/10 in his last 10 games.
I think you’re over analyzing it a little too much. Exum is too timid to really be getting solid minutes right now, and his shot is just not falling. The Jazz have Hayward to help facilitate the offense when he starts, and the Jazz also play a lot of inside out, so it’s rare to see Exum actually create for the offense. I guess this is why he’s a better starter than Trey though, because he’s not jacking up horrible shots every game and it allows the other talented players on the Jazz to have a go.
I think moving Trey to the bench is whats really helped the Jazz out as well, because it did give them a solid scorer off the bench. Trey is averaging 12.7 ppg since going to the bench, and it’s helped the fluidity of the Jazz substitutions.
Exum is just lucky the Jazz don’t have any good PG’s or he would be glued to the bench this year. But that was expected
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/11/2015 - 9:45am #966052

mgreener_34ParticipantI don’t think the Jazz’s recent play is condusive to Exum, and more so on the fact that Gordon Hayward is averaging 24/6/5 on 50% shooting over his last 10 games. Same could be said for Kanter who’s been going off lately with 15/10 in his last 10 games.
I think you’re over analyzing it a little too much. Exum is too timid to really be getting solid minutes right now, and his shot is just not falling. The Jazz have Hayward to help facilitate the offense when he starts, and the Jazz also play a lot of inside out, so it’s rare to see Exum actually create for the offense. I guess this is why he’s a better starter than Trey though, because he’s not jacking up horrible shots every game and it allows the other talented players on the Jazz to have a go.
I think moving Trey to the bench is whats really helped the Jazz out as well, because it did give them a solid scorer off the bench. Trey is averaging 12.7 ppg since going to the bench, and it’s helped the fluidity of the Jazz substitutions.
Exum is just lucky the Jazz don’t have any good PG’s or he would be glued to the bench this year. But that was expected
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