Kevin Love for Andrew Wiggins

I don’t think people who thought the deal was great are hiding under a rock, I think they’re just a tad more patient than you are. Fact is they’re 37 games into the new LBJ/Love/Irving era, and so I really think sometimes things need time.

I feel like this whole Wiggins vs Love trade debate is a catch 22. I feel like even if Cavs kept Wiggins, Cavs would still be struggling as they’re in need of paint protection and a big men (just sorted this out today). Plus Andy V is out for the year which hurts them more than some may think. To go along with this they would still be sorted out chemistry issues and adapting to their new coach. There is also all the chance in the world that Wiggins may have started off slow for the Cavs, and not getting those huge minutes he is getting with Minny. And then factor in Love would most likely be killing it if he stayed in Minny.

I really think if the trade didn’t happen Cavs would still be struggling and people would be posted topics on the forum saying how they should have done the deal.

Btw, I am in the Wiggins staying a Cav camp.

I don’t think people who thought the deal was great are hiding under a rock, I think they’re just a tad more patient than you are. Fact is they’re 37 games into the new LBJ/Love/Irving era, and so I really think sometimes things need time.

I feel like this whole Wiggins vs Love trade debate is a catch 22. I feel like even if Cavs kept Wiggins, Cavs would still be struggling as they’re in need of paint protection and a big men (just sorted this out today). Plus Andy V is out for the year which hurts them more than some may think. To go along with this they would still be sorted out chemistry issues and adapting to their new coach. There is also all the chance in the world that Wiggins may have started off slow for the Cavs, and not getting those huge minutes he is getting with Minny. And then factor in Love would most likely be killing it if he stayed in Minny.

I really think if the trade didn’t happen Cavs would still be struggling and people would be posted topics on the forum saying how they should have done the deal.

Btw, I am in the Wiggins staying a Cav camp.

I went on about how Golden State should not trade for Kevin Love. It seems perhaps I was only peson that thought that way at the time.

Golden State last year was the best young team, and was only going to get way better with experience to the young promising players. Golden State just a year later is an elite team in the league now.

I went on about how Golden State should not trade for Kevin Love. It seems perhaps I was only peson that thought that way at the time.

Golden State last year was the best young team, and was only going to get way better with experience to the young promising players. Golden State just a year later is an elite team in the league now.

Too many kids on here either check the boxscore or their fantasy team and think Melo and Love are studs. Both lack defence, teamwork and leadership skills needed to be called "Elite" in the NBA.

Too many kids on here either check the boxscore or their fantasy team and think Melo and Love are studs. Both lack defence, teamwork and leadership skills needed to be called "Elite" in the NBA.

 As a Wolves fan I loved the trade then and obviously love it now but I was surprised that the Cavs traded Wiggins. I guess I understand why they did it, but having watched Love play for 6 years I was shocked that they would trade a potential superstar two-way player that could be a franchise cornerstone for Love. Yeah, Love is a great player, but the numbers always made him look better than he really is and he can’t play D to help you get stops at the end of games. He’s a player that gets the majority of his points early in games and works very hard on the boards. Considering the fact there weren’t any other offers even close I thought it was an amazing deal for the Wolves. Wiggins is looking like he will be that corenerstone type player and Love is what he is. On a side note, Bennett actually played well tonight too. I still think he can be a good starting PF in the league he just needs to learn how to play. He needs to get in the post I don’t understand why he takes so many mid-range jumpers and never rolls after setting a pick. He seems soft but maybe he’s still just learning to play. If he figures it out and becomes a solid starter though then this trade could end up looking really bad if the Cavs don’t end up with rings.

 As a Wolves fan I loved the trade then and obviously love it now but I was surprised that the Cavs traded Wiggins. I guess I understand why they did it, but having watched Love play for 6 years I was shocked that they would trade a potential superstar two-way player that could be a franchise cornerstone for Love. Yeah, Love is a great player, but the numbers always made him look better than he really is and he can’t play D to help you get stops at the end of games. He’s a player that gets the majority of his points early in games and works very hard on the boards. Considering the fact there weren’t any other offers even close I thought it was an amazing deal for the Wolves. Wiggins is looking like he will be that corenerstone type player and Love is what he is. On a side note, Bennett actually played well tonight too. I still think he can be a good starting PF in the league he just needs to learn how to play. He needs to get in the post I don’t understand why he takes so many mid-range jumpers and never rolls after setting a pick. He seems soft but maybe he’s still just learning to play. If he figures it out and becomes a solid starter though then this trade could end up looking really bad if the Cavs don’t end up with rings.

 I guess I’m getting negged because people believe Golden State would be better without Klay Thomson, Harrison Barns and David lee for Kevin Love ?

 I guess I’m getting negged because people believe Golden State would be better without Klay Thomson, Harrison Barns and David lee for Kevin Love ?

Never liked the deal. The Cavs weren’t winning a championship this seaons with Love or Wiggins. I do think they would have been better off in the long run – starting next season – with Wiggins on the wing.

Add in the fact that Love may even leave given his current struggles, the deal looks even worse. I can’t see Love falling into “Chris Bosh-land” where he scales back his game for the good of the team. he has no experience doing this. (FWIW – Neither does Irving. There is a reason these guys never even lead their teams to low playoff seeds.)

Injuries and a thin roster are going to sink the Cavs this year. Starting next year, I really think this trade will haunt them.

Never liked the deal. The Cavs weren’t winning a championship this seaons with Love or Wiggins. I do think they would have been better off in the long run – starting next season – with Wiggins on the wing.

Add in the fact that Love may even leave given his current struggles, the deal looks even worse. I can’t see Love falling into “Chris Bosh-land” where he scales back his game for the good of the team. he has no experience doing this. (FWIW – Neither does Irving. There is a reason these guys never even lead their teams to low playoff seeds.)

Injuries and a thin roster are going to sink the Cavs this year. Starting next year, I really think this trade will haunt them.

A lot of people make it seem like its a given, that a player with some tendencies to disappear will automatically become a Superstar?

Love is better today, and will be for 3 years…Andrew Wiggins has a long way to go before he’s ever in the same talent bracket as Kevin Love…Everyone takes these advanced stats too seriously, they see a “bad” shooting percentage and try to explain why a player isn’t as good as he’s perceived…Well that cuts both ways, lets see how “inefficient and average” a player Wiggins is once he out grows his Draft Darling status and is expected to carry the Wolves into the playoffs…

Love gets too much hate on this site because of stupid “advanced” stats, K.Love has been beating the league on the boards for years and now he is a terrible player to have, well Philadelphia and most any other team would love him(no pun intended)

A lot of people make it seem like its a given, that a player with some tendencies to disappear will automatically become a Superstar?

Love is better today, and will be for 3 years…Andrew Wiggins has a long way to go before he’s ever in the same talent bracket as Kevin Love…Everyone takes these advanced stats too seriously, they see a “bad” shooting percentage and try to explain why a player isn’t as good as he’s perceived…Well that cuts both ways, lets see how “inefficient and average” a player Wiggins is once he out grows his Draft Darling status and is expected to carry the Wolves into the playoffs…

Love gets too much hate on this site because of stupid “advanced” stats, K.Love has been beating the league on the boards for years and now he is a terrible player to have, well Philadelphia and most any other team would love him(no pun intended)

They was saying the same thing about Bosh in his first year and they needed to trade him. It got quiet once they went to 4 straight championships and won 2 of them. The play of Love should not suprise anyone but to think the Cavs would have been better off with Wiggins? Yea in the long run but are you telling me Lebron has to patience to wait for a player to develop or would you rather add a proven vet next to him.

They was saying the same thing about Bosh in his first year and they needed to trade him. It got quiet once they went to 4 straight championships and won 2 of them. The play of Love should not suprise anyone but to think the Cavs would have been better off with Wiggins? Yea in the long run but are you telling me Lebron has to patience to wait for a player to develop or would you rather add a proven vet next to him.

Here is my observation of Love; and please hear me from a purely honest position.

His numbers do not impact winning. I can hear some of you bringing some numbers to me that may say otherwise; but my eyes tell me a different story.

He has improved this year defensively; but he’s still bad. He’s bad partly because of effort at times and he’s bad also because of physical limitations. Combine an athlete with physical limitations and and poor effort and this is why his defense is so bad. He offers no resistance at the rim and struggles to move laterally. His selfishness also interferes with his ability to defend because he desires to be close to the rim so that he can get rebounds. This at times causes him to not contest shots or show on ball screens in the name of being close to the rim for rebounds.

He also shows an inability to efficiently function without benig the center of an offenses attention. Word out of Minnesota was that he lacked leadership qualities and he wasted no time making those criticisms appear true when at the end of pre-season questioning how he was used and where he was catching the ball in the offense in Cleveland.

Lastly, name all the guys who averaged 25 and 13 but who played on teams who always lost and never made the playoffs? It’s really a hard thing to conceive. Many people have compared him to Chris Bosh but that comparison is faulty. Chris Bosh willingly changed his game to fit in with Miami. This started in year 1. You never heard Bosh complain about his role in the offense. Chris Bosh also has an ability to do something that Love has not shown he can do. DEFEND. Chris Bosh not only can guard his own yard, but he can contest shots, switch and/or show effectively on ball screens and recover back to the basket. Again, much of what I am pointing out is a mindset of unselfishness that Love simply appears to lack but avoids criticism for because "how he looks" does not fit the narrative of being labeled selfish. I’ll leave that alone. Offensively, Bosh can also finish above the rim as to where Kevin Love often gets his shot blocked and or finds himself ball faking 2 to 3 times before he is able to attempt a finish. Bosh is also better in changing ends fo the floor whether that be from offense to defense or vice versa.

All in all the Cavs will be fine…. They have Lebron and they are making moves. But in referencing Love there are certain things that are apparent to those who watch the game and understand winning. He simply; as the best player on your team, will not impact winning. His best role is in the position he is in currently.

I think Kevin Love is an excellent ball player; however, I do believe that his numbers have given him a reputation that his impact on the game simply does not match.

He’s a better player than Rudy Gay but that’s another example of a guy who puts up numbers that suggest he is a certain level of player; yet, how often do his numbers result in the team that he’s on being a playoff team?

Just my 2 cents. Again,…. I think Kevin Love is an awesome player. Just want to make that clear.

Here is my observation of Love; and please hear me from a purely honest position.

His numbers do not impact winning. I can hear some of you bringing some numbers to me that may say otherwise; but my eyes tell me a different story.

He has improved this year defensively; but he’s still bad. He’s bad partly because of effort at times and he’s bad also because of physical limitations. Combine an athlete with physical limitations and and poor effort and this is why his defense is so bad. He offers no resistance at the rim and struggles to move laterally. His selfishness also interferes with his ability to defend because he desires to be close to the rim so that he can get rebounds. This at times causes him to not contest shots or show on ball screens in the name of being close to the rim for rebounds.

He also shows an inability to efficiently function without benig the center of an offenses attention. Word out of Minnesota was that he lacked leadership qualities and he wasted no time making those criticisms appear true when at the end of pre-season questioning how he was used and where he was catching the ball in the offense in Cleveland.

Lastly, name all the guys who averaged 25 and 13 but who played on teams who always lost and never made the playoffs? It’s really a hard thing to conceive. Many people have compared him to Chris Bosh but that comparison is faulty. Chris Bosh willingly changed his game to fit in with Miami. This started in year 1. You never heard Bosh complain about his role in the offense. Chris Bosh also has an ability to do something that Love has not shown he can do. DEFEND. Chris Bosh not only can guard his own yard, but he can contest shots, switch and/or show effectively on ball screens and recover back to the basket. Again, much of what I am pointing out is a mindset of unselfishness that Love simply appears to lack but avoids criticism for because "how he looks" does not fit the narrative of being labeled selfish. I’ll leave that alone. Offensively, Bosh can also finish above the rim as to where Kevin Love often gets his shot blocked and or finds himself ball faking 2 to 3 times before he is able to attempt a finish. Bosh is also better in changing ends fo the floor whether that be from offense to defense or vice versa.

All in all the Cavs will be fine…. They have Lebron and they are making moves. But in referencing Love there are certain things that are apparent to those who watch the game and understand winning. He simply; as the best player on your team, will not impact winning. His best role is in the position he is in currently.

I think Kevin Love is an excellent ball player; however, I do believe that his numbers have given him a reputation that his impact on the game simply does not match.

He’s a better player than Rudy Gay but that’s another example of a guy who puts up numbers that suggest he is a certain level of player; yet, how often do his numbers result in the team that he’s on being a playoff team?

Just my 2 cents. Again,…. I think Kevin Love is an awesome player. Just want to make that clear.

With regards to Melo, that narrative is tired and just so wrong. Not one expert or analyst who is paid to know the game would say that Melo isn’t one of the best players in the game. Replace the best wing player on all the best Western teams with Carmelo and keep the remainder of their team untouched and we wouldn’t even be venturing into these ridiculous waters. Appreciating Carmelo is much more than perusing a box score. How many different star players have to come out and say he is the hardest cover in the league? 

On the subject of Andrew Wiggins, something seems to have clicked in that boy. He has been going ham sandwich of late, great to see.

With regards to Melo, that narrative is tired and just so wrong. Not one expert or analyst who is paid to know the game would say that Melo isn’t one of the best players in the game. Replace the best wing player on all the best Western teams with Carmelo and keep the remainder of their team untouched and we wouldn’t even be venturing into these ridiculous waters. Appreciating Carmelo is much more than perusing a box score. How many different star players have to come out and say he is the hardest cover in the league? 

On the subject of Andrew Wiggins, something seems to have clicked in that boy. He has been going ham sandwich of late, great to see.

People act like everyone needs to be Lebron (who by the way isn’t a good defender anymore). Being an elite scorer and rebounder has a place on every team in the NBA with the right pieces around them (defensive minded players and shooters). And don’t let his role in the current triangle fool you, Carmelo is an elite rebounder for his position and has been for a while in more traditional offenses. He would have already made a finals with a very pedestrian Denver team if they weren’t hosed by the refs for an entire hard fought series with the Lakers. 

People act like everyone needs to be Lebron (who by the way isn’t a good defender anymore). Being an elite scorer and rebounder has a place on every team in the NBA with the right pieces around them (defensive minded players and shooters). And don’t let his role in the current triangle fool you, Carmelo is an elite rebounder for his position and has been for a while in more traditional offenses. He would have already made a finals with a very pedestrian Denver team if they weren’t hosed by the refs for an entire hard fought series with the Lakers. 

 I thought it was a fair deal on both ends and still do. Love’s production is taking a hit like Bosh when he joined Miami. Love is still the same player, his strengths are being minimized and weaknesses are under a microscope.

I really think the Cavs struggles on offense are on the coach, Blatt. You have three elite offensive players and he doesn’t know how to make it work. 

Wiggins looks like a solid rookie, but not going to be the caliber of James

 I thought it was a fair deal on both ends and still do. Love’s production is taking a hit like Bosh when he joined Miami. Love is still the same player, his strengths are being minimized and weaknesses are under a microscope.

I really think the Cavs struggles on offense are on the coach, Blatt. You have three elite offensive players and he doesn’t know how to make it work. 

Wiggins looks like a solid rookie, but not going to be the caliber of James

It’s still very early, but no… It’s not working out like most envisioned. 

I knew Love would have issues defensively and that he’d have to adjust offensively, but I just saw it working out so much better at the offensive end. 

Everybody is well aware of the holes in Love’s game by now, but they’re not using him like most thought offensively. I thought both he and LeBron would compliment each other so well, but that hasn’t happened yet. 

It’s going to be interesting to see how this turns out. 

It’s still very early, but no… It’s not working out like most envisioned. 

I knew Love would have issues defensively and that he’d have to adjust offensively, but I just saw it working out so much better at the offensive end. 

Everybody is well aware of the holes in Love’s game by now, but they’re not using him like most thought offensively. I thought both he and LeBron would compliment each other so well, but that hasn’t happened yet. 

It’s going to be interesting to see how this turns out. 

yes ppl kept saying you trade for love no brainer LeBron signed one year deal you must win now love may not want to come here.

the way klay and golden state got off to a hot start golden state wouldn’t have moved klay.

they have sold a great deal of assets for their future now what if LeBron and love leaves what do you have now?>
Im not saying they will be what if.

you could of had
dion/ or Shumpert smith okc pick
Memphis pick which is going to be high lottery
heat pick which will be lottery or mid first round
wiggins
bennet
10 mil haywood trade exception
5 mill bogan trade exception
got ride of varjeo contract or traded him for someone or packaged him in a salary dump for love in the summer
cap flexibility

but you gave it all up just to start off bad and panic. LeBron said his self he didn’t think they were going to win a ship this year and they still rushed it.

LOVE WANTED TO GO TO THE CAVS they could have waited and signed him gave up far less.
did a sign and trade for mozgov or bismack next summer for second round picks using bogans trade exception and bi annual .

Also
could have drafted two lottery picks and the Memphis lottery pick could have eventually been a number 1 pick or top 5
to help them keep the championship window open longer.

im upset that the cavs have the most luck and are always in a good position to succeed but always fail do to their selves.

its no reason they lost all their assets THEY ARE NOT WINNING THIS YEAR THEY SHOULD HAVE JUST WAITED ON SEASON AND THEN BECOME SUPER STACKED TO WIN IT EVERYYEAR OF HAVE A GREAT CHANCE TO.

yes ppl kept saying you trade for love no brainer LeBron signed one year deal you must win now love may not want to come here.

the way klay and golden state got off to a hot start golden state wouldn’t have moved klay.

they have sold a great deal of assets for their future now what if LeBron and love leaves what do you have now?>
Im not saying they will be what if.

you could of had
dion/ or Shumpert smith okc pick
Memphis pick which is going to be high lottery
heat pick which will be lottery or mid first round
wiggins
bennet
10 mil haywood trade exception
5 mill bogan trade exception
got ride of varjeo contract or traded him for someone or packaged him in a salary dump for love in the summer
cap flexibility

but you gave it all up just to start off bad and panic. LeBron said his self he didn’t think they were going to win a ship this year and they still rushed it.

LOVE WANTED TO GO TO THE CAVS they could have waited and signed him gave up far less.
did a sign and trade for mozgov or bismack next summer for second round picks using bogans trade exception and bi annual .

Also
could have drafted two lottery picks and the Memphis lottery pick could have eventually been a number 1 pick or top 5
to help them keep the championship window open longer.

im upset that the cavs have the most luck and are always in a good position to succeed but always fail do to their selves.

its no reason they lost all their assets THEY ARE NOT WINNING THIS YEAR THEY SHOULD HAVE JUST WAITED ON SEASON AND THEN BECOME SUPER STACKED TO WIN IT EVERYYEAR OF HAVE A GREAT CHANCE TO.

 I never like trading away high picks let alone two top picks but K-Love is a guy who is only 26 himself and a legit prolific scoring big man. My issue with him is never being on a winning team but if he doesn’t have the support then I can overlook it.

The T-Wolves have lost 13 on the bounce despite Wiggins developing nicely so I do wonder if the Cavs would have been any better off with him.

Lets say the Cavs had chosen Jabari and traded him, with him being out for the season we would have been saying good move by the Cavs.

 I never like trading away high picks let alone two top picks but K-Love is a guy who is only 26 himself and a legit prolific scoring big man. My issue with him is never being on a winning team but if he doesn’t have the support then I can overlook it.

The T-Wolves have lost 13 on the bounce despite Wiggins developing nicely so I do wonder if the Cavs would have been any better off with him.

Lets say the Cavs had chosen Jabari and traded him, with him being out for the season we would have been saying good move by the Cavs.

I am just happy to see Wiggins succeeding. A lot of guys on here thought he was going to bust. t’s been a bit of a blessing for Rubio, Martin and Pek to all go down. It’s forced Wiggins to be more aggressive and the results lately have been awesome. 18.2 ppg 5 rpg 2 apg on 48% shooting the last ten games and 22.6 ppg 5.8 rpg 2.2 apg on 52% shooting over the last five.

I am just happy to see Wiggins succeeding. A lot of guys on here thought he was going to bust. t’s been a bit of a blessing for Rubio, Martin and Pek to all go down. It’s forced Wiggins to be more aggressive and the results lately have been awesome. 18.2 ppg 5 rpg 2 apg on 48% shooting the last ten games and 22.6 ppg 5.8 rpg 2.2 apg on 52% shooting over the last five.