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  • #58562
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    I haven’t had time to watch a complete Milwaukee Bucks game this year, but I do catch highlights, and the one thing that stands out to me from this young team is the ball movement, especially in transistion. You can see Jason Kidd’s imprint on the offense, and in time, they will only get better and get easier shots.

     The Bucks are currently 9th in the league in assists per game (22.8) and are the 3rd youngest team in the NBA (age avg. 24.2).

    With that said, I look at 2 young teams as examples, Bucks and Magic, as both teams are in the rebuilding process with two coaches to grow with them in Jason Kidd and Jacque Vaughn, respectively. As Kidd is focuses on the offensive game, Vaugh is more defense-orientated, which leads to my question.

    If you were a GM with a rebuilding team, would you want your head coach to embed offense first or defense first and why?

     

     

     

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  • #958037
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    The key is obviously to get both sides of the ball being played at a high level, how you get there isn’t that important. In saying that I am going with what sells tickets until my team is ready to compete, so offese is what I am going for. Look at GSW they were a bad team, but would sell tickets because they were exciting to watch. No one wants to go see a 90-75 game if there is a 120-105 game on the table.

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  • #958173
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    The key is obviously to get both sides of the ball being played at a high level, how you get there isn’t that important. In saying that I am going with what sells tickets until my team is ready to compete, so offese is what I am going for. Look at GSW they were a bad team, but would sell tickets because they were exciting to watch. No one wants to go see a 90-75 game if there is a 120-105 game on the table.

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  • #958039
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    The bucks turn around is not only due to their new offensive, but their improved defense. Jason Kidd had implemented new defensive schemes and the rotations are much more precise. My only wish is that Kidd gives Parker more freedom offensively and gives Henson more minutes and reduces the minutes of Mayo and Illyasova who are clearly not part of the Bucks future plans.

    As for your question, I think it’s important for a coach especially a new coach to focus more on defense as opposed to offense. Especially for younger players keeping them responsible on the defensive end and showing them that defense wins championships.

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  • #958175
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    The bucks turn around is not only due to their new offensive, but their improved defense. Jason Kidd had implemented new defensive schemes and the rotations are much more precise. My only wish is that Kidd gives Parker more freedom offensively and gives Henson more minutes and reduces the minutes of Mayo and Illyasova who are clearly not part of the Bucks future plans.

    As for your question, I think it’s important for a coach especially a new coach to focus more on defense as opposed to offense. Especially for younger players keeping them responsible on the defensive end and showing them that defense wins championships.

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  • #958041
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     Very good question and almost impossible to give a right answer. I’d certainly want a defensive or offensive expert as one of the lead assistants to compliment what the Head Coach was doing. If you pushed me I’d have to say young guys often need to have defence more than offence drilled into them.

    Jason Kidd don’t forget was a 9 time first or second All Defensive Team Player so does know a thing or two about defence.

    Ideally with a team in rebuild you want someone who can help the players develop, some coaches are better at this tan others whilst other coaches are better going into a play off team and making them true contenders.

     

     

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  • #958177
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     Very good question and almost impossible to give a right answer. I’d certainly want a defensive or offensive expert as one of the lead assistants to compliment what the Head Coach was doing. If you pushed me I’d have to say young guys often need to have defence more than offence drilled into them.

    Jason Kidd don’t forget was a 9 time first or second All Defensive Team Player so does know a thing or two about defence.

    Ideally with a team in rebuild you want someone who can help the players develop, some coaches are better at this tan others whilst other coaches are better going into a play off team and making them true contenders.

     

     

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  • #958237
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    Defense for sure. I’ve witnesses this example my self. Many people really over estimate the power of effort in basketball ( And just about every sport), but back to my point everyone wants to play offense. Doesn’t matter what position or how good you are everyone loves to score. Defense on the other hand is a choice. The only way teams can be good at defense is if it they make it a major priority. If they do then there will be a consistent effort on defense no matter the situation of the game, as for some teams that don’t make defense a priority they’ll rest on defense with a comfortable lead. Championship teams love defense and will always try to lock up the other team, just because it actually becomes fun to them.

    A great example of this would be the Griz and Knicks. The Grizzlies of course for years have been the nitty gritty grind it out team that gives no easy baskets, while at the same time they weren’t so great on the offensive end. The Knicks in the other hand for the past couple of years have almost no defensive identity, while having offensively gifted players. What did they do to try to solve that problem? Bring in Tyson Chandler who is every nbadraft.nets comparison for draft prospects who have defensive anchor potential, because that who he is. The result? Still terrible team defense and losing games, because the rest of the team wasn’t comfortable going all out on defense and just worried about offense.

    In terms of talent both teams are pretty equal, some could even argue the Knicks have had better talent. As for actual results the Knicks miss the playoff last year in the weak East, while the Grizz make it in the stacked West. Then this year the Grizz have one of the best records in the NBA and the Knicks have one of the worst records in the NBA

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  • #958101
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    Defense for sure. I’ve witnesses this example my self. Many people really over estimate the power of effort in basketball ( And just about every sport), but back to my point everyone wants to play offense. Doesn’t matter what position or how good you are everyone loves to score. Defense on the other hand is a choice. The only way teams can be good at defense is if it they make it a major priority. If they do then there will be a consistent effort on defense no matter the situation of the game, as for some teams that don’t make defense a priority they’ll rest on defense with a comfortable lead. Championship teams love defense and will always try to lock up the other team, just because it actually becomes fun to them.

    A great example of this would be the Griz and Knicks. The Grizzlies of course for years have been the nitty gritty grind it out team that gives no easy baskets, while at the same time they weren’t so great on the offensive end. The Knicks in the other hand for the past couple of years have almost no defensive identity, while having offensively gifted players. What did they do to try to solve that problem? Bring in Tyson Chandler who is every nbadraft.nets comparison for draft prospects who have defensive anchor potential, because that who he is. The result? Still terrible team defense and losing games, because the rest of the team wasn’t comfortable going all out on defense and just worried about offense.

    In terms of talent both teams are pretty equal, some could even argue the Knicks have had better talent. As for actual results the Knicks miss the playoff last year in the weak East, while the Grizz make it in the stacked West. Then this year the Grizz have one of the best records in the NBA and the Knicks have one of the worst records in the NBA

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  • #958239
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     I would go with offense.

    Never coached or even played in anything other than a glorified pickup game, but are there more plays on offense or defense?

    Focus on offense.  

    For defense, tell your guys just try to force the other team into bad shots/low percentage shots.  No dunks.  Rebound the ball.  All things being equal, length, size, and athleticism wins — especially on defense.  And, I like the value of rim protectors.  Is that coaching or talent?  Get a tall guy to block shots or alter shots.  Can’t worry a whole heck of a lot about fouls down there.  Just get more bigs.

    This is not soccer.  You can’t just score one goal and win the game.  You have to put up at least 90 points on the board.  Hard to do that without offense.

    The game of basketball is about SPACING.

    Create space on offense.

    TAKE AWAY spacing on defense.

    If you are on offense and the play is not called for you, GET OUT OF THE WAY.

    If you are on defense GET IN THE WAY.

    Then you have the "Look But Don’t Touch" theory of basketball defense (and other things).

    Basketball is not a dribbling contest.  The team who dribbles LESS probably wins.

    A 3 is worth more than a 2, but a MADE basket is always worth MORE than a missed shot.

    If the other team wants to get real cute and put their "corner 3 point shooter" in the, uh, corner LET THEM.  Just put a guy on him.  STAY THERE.  Heck, order some beer and a hot dog too.  Don’t let the guy get the ball or shoot it or, at the very least, get a hand in the guy’s face.  If the other team makes a strategic decision to put one of their OWN guys in the corner (what is this time out for a five year old?), basically out of the action, LET THEM.  Basically the only thing the guy can do there is get a cheerleader’s autograph.

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  • #958103
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     I would go with offense.

    Never coached or even played in anything other than a glorified pickup game, but are there more plays on offense or defense?

    Focus on offense.  

    For defense, tell your guys just try to force the other team into bad shots/low percentage shots.  No dunks.  Rebound the ball.  All things being equal, length, size, and athleticism wins — especially on defense.  And, I like the value of rim protectors.  Is that coaching or talent?  Get a tall guy to block shots or alter shots.  Can’t worry a whole heck of a lot about fouls down there.  Just get more bigs.

    This is not soccer.  You can’t just score one goal and win the game.  You have to put up at least 90 points on the board.  Hard to do that without offense.

    The game of basketball is about SPACING.

    Create space on offense.

    TAKE AWAY spacing on defense.

    If you are on offense and the play is not called for you, GET OUT OF THE WAY.

    If you are on defense GET IN THE WAY.

    Then you have the "Look But Don’t Touch" theory of basketball defense (and other things).

    Basketball is not a dribbling contest.  The team who dribbles LESS probably wins.

    A 3 is worth more than a 2, but a MADE basket is always worth MORE than a missed shot.

    If the other team wants to get real cute and put their "corner 3 point shooter" in the, uh, corner LET THEM.  Just put a guy on him.  STAY THERE.  Heck, order some beer and a hot dog too.  Don’t let the guy get the ball or shoot it or, at the very least, get a hand in the guy’s face.  If the other team makes a strategic decision to put one of their OWN guys in the corner (what is this time out for a five year old?), basically out of the action, LET THEM.  Basically the only thing the guy can do there is get a cheerleader’s autograph.

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    • #958255
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       I can’t tell if this is a joke or not, but defense doesn’t just magically happen. It’s like offense, you have to work on it to get better and if you have coaches that are good at teaching it, then players get better at it. Your type of defense sounds more like a "you guard your man and I’ll guard mine" streetstyle type defense, which would just get absolutely pounded at almost any level of basketball from Varsity up. NBA players are way too good to be guarded one on one. It’s a lot harder to drive to the basket when you got 5 guys not allowing you to get there instead of just one and that’s called help defense.

      I’m not disagreeing with your choice of choosing an offensive coach over a defensive one, but you make it sound so simple to stop NBA players. When you said "For defense, tell your guys just try to force the other team into bad shots/low percentage shots. No dunks. Rebound the ball." I had to actually lol(laugh at loud). Do you really think NBA coaches haven’t already told their players to do that?

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    • #958119
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       I can’t tell if this is a joke or not, but defense doesn’t just magically happen. It’s like offense, you have to work on it to get better and if you have coaches that are good at teaching it, then players get better at it. Your type of defense sounds more like a "you guard your man and I’ll guard mine" streetstyle type defense, which would just get absolutely pounded at almost any level of basketball from Varsity up. NBA players are way too good to be guarded one on one. It’s a lot harder to drive to the basket when you got 5 guys not allowing you to get there instead of just one and that’s called help defense.

      I’m not disagreeing with your choice of choosing an offensive coach over a defensive one, but you make it sound so simple to stop NBA players. When you said "For defense, tell your guys just try to force the other team into bad shots/low percentage shots. No dunks. Rebound the ball." I had to actually lol(laugh at loud). Do you really think NBA coaches haven’t already told their players to do that?

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  • #958252
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     Defence first always. NBA athletes will always be able to get buckets one on one. Without implementing a team oriented defensive scheme and culture you are basically handcuffing your team. With a strong defensive culture that the players buy into any team can win any game (except the 76ers). 

    This way you exhaust the opposition, create easy oppurtunities on the break, create more possessions to score, and create accountability and a team enviroment. The Warriors turned the franchise around when Jackson made defense a first priority as did Toronto, Washington, and other young teams. 

    Its nice to have a killer offence but if you remember the Ellis/Curry G-State Warriors or even the Don Nelson rrun and gun Warriors or Dantoni Suns a high tempo scoring focused offensive team only carries you so far. When they bump into a team that can throw them off thier offensive game your racking up a big fat L. 

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  • #958389
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     Defence first always. NBA athletes will always be able to get buckets one on one. Without implementing a team oriented defensive scheme and culture you are basically handcuffing your team. With a strong defensive culture that the players buy into any team can win any game (except the 76ers). 

    This way you exhaust the opposition, create easy oppurtunities on the break, create more possessions to score, and create accountability and a team enviroment. The Warriors turned the franchise around when Jackson made defense a first priority as did Toronto, Washington, and other young teams. 

    Its nice to have a killer offence but if you remember the Ellis/Curry G-State Warriors or even the Don Nelson rrun and gun Warriors or Dantoni Suns a high tempo scoring focused offensive team only carries you so far. When they bump into a team that can throw them off thier offensive game your racking up a big fat L. 

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