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  • #58430
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    TimeForNine
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     Has 44 in 3 quarters. The Lakers are losing 115-79. I’ve never seen anything like this.

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  • #956034
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    TRC1991
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    I’m watching. It’s sad for all parties involved. Except for the Warriors – it’s good for them. 

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    TRC1991
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    I’m watching. It’s sad for all parties involved. Except for the Warriors – it’s good for them. 

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  • #956036
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    DipoTime
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    I understand Kobe is one of the all time great scorers and I completely respect that but come on. Is there any reason for him to be shooting this much or even playing at all being down this much? Its not like a 15-20 point lead that just recently occurred. They were down big pretty early and it just kept getting worse. He isnt exactly shooting them back into it..

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  • #955895
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    I understand Kobe is one of the all time great scorers and I completely respect that but come on. Is there any reason for him to be shooting this much or even playing at all being down this much? Its not like a 15-20 point lead that just recently occurred. They were down big pretty early and it just kept getting worse. He isnt exactly shooting them back into it..

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    • #955907
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       Clearly you haven’t seen a lot of Lakers games yet.  I challenge you to find someone else on the team who would be better fit taking the shots that Kobe is taking.

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      • #955911
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        DipoTime
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        Lol I’m only saying this because of the score. If it were close at all I would tell Kobe to shoot it 50 times a game but the game was out of reach very early on. Why nt try to focus on moving the ball more or simply just sitting the second half for rest? That’s all

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      • #956052
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        DipoTime
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        Lol I’m only saying this because of the score. If it were close at all I would tell Kobe to shoot it 50 times a game but the game was out of reach very early on. Why nt try to focus on moving the ball more or simply just sitting the second half for rest? That’s all

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    • #956048
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       Clearly you haven’t seen a lot of Lakers games yet.  I challenge you to find someone else on the team who would be better fit taking the shots that Kobe is taking.

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  • #956042
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    I knew people would question/complain about Kobe shooting too much. Let’s take tonights game for example. 34 shots through 3 quarters….which he made 15. Obviously that is a lot of shots for only 3 quarters of basketball and it wasn’t the most efficient to get 44 points. But let’s take a step back and look at the other options. The rest of the team through three quarters was 12-44. Ten more shots than Kobe but 3 less makes. It’s hard to see another guy on this team that can create his own shots on a regular basis. Plus there is no low post scoring threat that they can throw the ball into.

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  • #955901
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    I knew people would question/complain about Kobe shooting too much. Let’s take tonights game for example. 34 shots through 3 quarters….which he made 15. Obviously that is a lot of shots for only 3 quarters of basketball and it wasn’t the most efficient to get 44 points. But let’s take a step back and look at the other options. The rest of the team through three quarters was 12-44. Ten more shots than Kobe but 3 less makes. It’s hard to see another guy on this team that can create his own shots on a regular basis. Plus there is no low post scoring threat that they can throw the ball into.

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  • #955909
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    TimeForNine
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     I was just baffled to see it when I checked the box score. It’s unbeleivable how little his supporting cast does

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  • #956050
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    TimeForNine
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     I was just baffled to see it when I checked the box score. It’s unbeleivable how little his supporting cast does

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  • #955942
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    I’m not giving Kobe a pass. Yea, he has to be offensively aggressive on this team, but he also has to find a way to get his teammates involved. His teammates didn’t play well last night, but there was also no flow to their offense at all. It’s basically just Kobe isolating and going one on one or one vs two or three. I understand the team was down big right out of the gate, but regardless… That won’t get it done at the end of the day because Kobe can’t beat a whole team by himself. 

    Getting Nick Young back tomorrow will help (Wesley Johnson needs to hit the bench and Xavier Henry has regressed from last season), but they need to make some changes. The team defense is pathetic, especially at the rim. And that was evident right away last night. The bigs were awful protecting the rim. It’s been known, but Boozer is poor at all forms of defense. Lin has to stop turning his head on the ball and making poor decisisons at both ends. Ed Davis needs to play more. It’s too bad Ryan Kelly can’t stay healthy. He’d at least give them a decent big. 

    The Lakers weren’t going to make the playoffs this season, but this is pathetic. Defensively, especially. Kobe doesn’t get a pass though. There’s absolutely no way he should be taking 34 shots in three quarters. Just no way. 

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #956084
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    I’m not giving Kobe a pass. Yea, he has to be offensively aggressive on this team, but he also has to find a way to get his teammates involved. His teammates didn’t play well last night, but there was also no flow to their offense at all. It’s basically just Kobe isolating and going one on one or one vs two or three. I understand the team was down big right out of the gate, but regardless… That won’t get it done at the end of the day because Kobe can’t beat a whole team by himself. 

    Getting Nick Young back tomorrow will help (Wesley Johnson needs to hit the bench and Xavier Henry has regressed from last season), but they need to make some changes. The team defense is pathetic, especially at the rim. And that was evident right away last night. The bigs were awful protecting the rim. It’s been known, but Boozer is poor at all forms of defense. Lin has to stop turning his head on the ball and making poor decisisons at both ends. Ed Davis needs to play more. It’s too bad Ryan Kelly can’t stay healthy. He’d at least give them a decent big. 

    The Lakers weren’t going to make the playoffs this season, but this is pathetic. Defensively, especially. Kobe doesn’t get a pass though. There’s absolutely no way he should be taking 34 shots in three quarters. Just no way. 

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #955948
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    Mopgrass
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    It was an interesting night. Not because Kobe jacked up tons of shots in a blowout, but because it sounded like the team was turning on him. Lin and Boozer both talked about team ball after the game. If that’s what was said on camera, I’m sure more was said in the locker room. 

    I believe Kobe when he said he doesn’t want to be traded. But if his team and then a lot of fans start to turn, I can’t imagine him sticking around for that. They can’t lose this much and expect things won’t boil over.

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  • #956090
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    It was an interesting night. Not because Kobe jacked up tons of shots in a blowout, but because it sounded like the team was turning on him. Lin and Boozer both talked about team ball after the game. If that’s what was said on camera, I’m sure more was said in the locker room. 

    I believe Kobe when he said he doesn’t want to be traded. But if his team and then a lot of fans start to turn, I can’t imagine him sticking around for that. They can’t lose this much and expect things won’t boil over.

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  • #955960
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    apb540
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    The Lakers are so bad. Also, you do all realize that Kobe knows this and is simply on a mission to track down Kareem for the all-time scoring spot, right? 

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  • #956102
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    apb540
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    The Lakers are so bad. Also, you do all realize that Kobe knows this and is simply on a mission to track down Kareem for the all-time scoring spot, right? 

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  • #955962
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    cha
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     I don’t believe he is shooting too much. People are saying he is shooting too much is because he’s shooting poorly. If he were to reach near his career averages I’m guessing there’d be less talk about his lack of trust in his teammates. I watched the games, I saw how he played and frankly understand where he’s coming from. This guy has so much heart and confidence in himself that no matter how huge the deficit is- he is willing to take those shots just to get them closer. Normally, I would question this decision to ditch the team play but when you’re playing with Boozer, Hill, Lin and god knows who else- I can only applaud him for sticking it out and having the confidence and will to take those shots.

     

    P.S. Boozer is such a downgrade from Pau. It serves Lakers fans right as they have continually unfairly criticized the All-Star, who despite trade rumors all year long played well, Perhaps, it’ll be a shorter list for me to tell what he can do better than Pau rather than telling you what he can’t do.

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  • #956104
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    cha
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     I don’t believe he is shooting too much. People are saying he is shooting too much is because he’s shooting poorly. If he were to reach near his career averages I’m guessing there’d be less talk about his lack of trust in his teammates. I watched the games, I saw how he played and frankly understand where he’s coming from. This guy has so much heart and confidence in himself that no matter how huge the deficit is- he is willing to take those shots just to get them closer. Normally, I would question this decision to ditch the team play but when you’re playing with Boozer, Hill, Lin and god knows who else- I can only applaud him for sticking it out and having the confidence and will to take those shots.

     

    P.S. Boozer is such a downgrade from Pau. It serves Lakers fans right as they have continually unfairly criticized the All-Star, who despite trade rumors all year long played well, Perhaps, it’ll be a shorter list for me to tell what he can do better than Pau rather than telling you what he can’t do.

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  • #955992
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    d-grizzly
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    The Lakers abysmal start STARTS with poor coaching. Scott does not have a system that gets players involved or passing the ball enough. D’antoni at least had a system to get everyone involved offensively. Also, Kobe is shooting way too much to the point where the offense goes stagnant. Look at the team last year without Kobe playing vs this season where he is.

    This is the worst Lakers team… perhaps ever. This Lakers team will be lucky to win 25 games this year and I do not think Kobe will play a full season with him feeling like he has to shoot that much every night.

     

     

     

     

     

      

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    • #955996
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      Last years team was better. Gasol, young and Meeks were the 3 leading scorers and they are all gone. Blake,Marshall, farmer pg trio was better then Lin/price. And Henry was a double digit scorer who looked fantastic last year but was injured all summer and missed the whole preseason and is rusty right now. Other then Kobe, they have downgraded at every spot pretty much. Kobe has been inefficient and that’s on him, but boozer was 1-9 from the field in the first half yesterday and is one of the worst defenders I’ve ever seen. Lin had 2 points the whole game last night and looks like he doesn’t know what’s he’s doing. It’s gonna be a long season regardless, might as well let Kobe do his thing since the other guys can’t get anything done.

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    • #956138
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      Last years team was better. Gasol, young and Meeks were the 3 leading scorers and they are all gone. Blake,Marshall, farmer pg trio was better then Lin/price. And Henry was a double digit scorer who looked fantastic last year but was injured all summer and missed the whole preseason and is rusty right now. Other then Kobe, they have downgraded at every spot pretty much. Kobe has been inefficient and that’s on him, but boozer was 1-9 from the field in the first half yesterday and is one of the worst defenders I’ve ever seen. Lin had 2 points the whole game last night and looks like he doesn’t know what’s he’s doing. It’s gonna be a long season regardless, might as well let Kobe do his thing since the other guys can’t get anything done.

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  • #956134
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    The Lakers abysmal start STARTS with poor coaching. Scott does not have a system that gets players involved or passing the ball enough. D’antoni at least had a system to get everyone involved offensively. Also, Kobe is shooting way too much to the point where the offense goes stagnant. Look at the team last year without Kobe playing vs this season where he is.

    This is the worst Lakers team… perhaps ever. This Lakers team will be lucky to win 25 games this year and I do not think Kobe will play a full season with him feeling like he has to shoot that much every night.

     

     

     

     

     

      

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  • #956000
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    To be fair, the more you watch the Lakers, the more they look like Kobe Bryant and eleven 76ers. They don’t seem to have any system of play or desire to play defense, and outside of Bryant nobody in their rotation is better than a 7-10th man in a rotation. It is unfortunate to see. While it is nice to have Kobe back in the league after the injury, it is starting to have a 2002 Jordan feel.

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    • #956168
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      Mopgrass
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      Jeremy Lin is a good player in the right situation. He needs a team who can run and spread the floor when he drives. If the Rockets didn’t have Harden last year, Lin would have been super-duper productive (though they’re better with Harden). The Lakers are the exact opposite of what Lin needs. They’re slow and Byron Scott has nearly disallowed 3’s. Lin would’ve been great on the Lakers last year.

      They should have the slow Laker team and the fast Laker team.

      Slow Team:
      PG Ronnie Price
      SG Kobe Bryant
      SF Nick Young
      PF Carlos Boozer (unless they can sign any living creature with their exception)
      C Jordan Hill

      Fast Team:
      PG Jeremy Lin
      PG Jordan Clarkson
      SF Wesley Johnson
      PF Ryan Kelly
      C Ed Davis

      Having Nick Young on the slow team would keep Kobe from having to do all the creating. Putting faster players and outside shooters like Clarkson, Johnson, and Kelly with Lin would really help and probably equal the 1st unit. These suggestions could make them only the 4th worst team in the league.

      They need to mix and match better.

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    • #956026
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      Jeremy Lin is a good player in the right situation. He needs a team who can run and spread the floor when he drives. If the Rockets didn’t have Harden last year, Lin would have been super-duper productive (though they’re better with Harden). The Lakers are the exact opposite of what Lin needs. They’re slow and Byron Scott has nearly disallowed 3’s. Lin would’ve been great on the Lakers last year.

      They should have the slow Laker team and the fast Laker team.

      Slow Team:
      PG Ronnie Price
      SG Kobe Bryant
      SF Nick Young
      PF Carlos Boozer (unless they can sign any living creature with their exception)
      C Jordan Hill

      Fast Team:
      PG Jeremy Lin
      PG Jordan Clarkson
      SF Wesley Johnson
      PF Ryan Kelly
      C Ed Davis

      Having Nick Young on the slow team would keep Kobe from having to do all the creating. Putting faster players and outside shooters like Clarkson, Johnson, and Kelly with Lin would really help and probably equal the 1st unit. These suggestions could make them only the 4th worst team in the league.

      They need to mix and match better.

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      • #956210
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        I don’t think it is bashing Jeremy Lin to say he is a backup point guard. He earned a spot in the league, but is not an ideal guy to be relied on to carry a large offensive burden. He is a nice spread floor pick-and-roll point guard, but he has limitations. He had his run with the Knicks and got wildly overpaid. The value of a guy is not based on whether he can put up star-like numbers in an ideal circumstance to put up numbers. It is the full check list of abilities, intellect, size, and effort. If it was just numbers, then someone ought to sign Brady Heslip today. Anybody who watched him at Baylor knew he could shoot. He is a wonderful shooter, and shooters can make shots when given the opportunity regardless of the level or location (master of the obvious). At this moment, he is in a situation where he can shoot like crazy. Does that make him better today than before he started playing in his current system? I don’t think so but if he gets a contract and a look from an NBA, good for him.

        I think Ed Davis has the interior skills to be in the NBA, but his lack of size and strength limits him to being a backup. Jordan Hill is a garbage man big, which is nice when cheap but concerning once paid. Boozer seems mentally checked out on a bad team. Nick Young is the classic NBA gunner, but wears out his welcome everywhere he goes. Ryan Kelly could be Matt Bonner or could be signing with some team in Russia a couple months from now (proud member of Heslip Nation). It is possible Jordan Clarkson eventually grows into being a starter, but right now he is a second round pick in his first month in the league. Wayne Ellington can shoot, but has been hurt and obviously has family issues at the moment. Xavier Henry might be a reclamation project and showed some promise of doing so last year, but is coming off an injury. Wes Johnson has improbably spent his career 18-feet or more from the basket despite not being a good shooter from that distance. If teams can figure out how to make it work with Kidd-Gilchrist, Mbah a Moute, and Tony Allen, why not him? Up and down the roster, and it is mostly lottery tickets with a few bad fits mixed in.

        It doesn’t help that they have seemingly zero defensive infrastructure or desire. If they are going to play Nellyball or D’Antoni ball, then they ought to have kept D’Antoni. If they ultimately want to build a team in the image of the squads that have won titles (Pau/Lamar/Bynum, Shaq, Kareem/Green/Worthy), then they should be thinking big. It is not going to happen until next summer, but that is their path out of this place.

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      • #956069
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        I don’t think it is bashing Jeremy Lin to say he is a backup point guard. He earned a spot in the league, but is not an ideal guy to be relied on to carry a large offensive burden. He is a nice spread floor pick-and-roll point guard, but he has limitations. He had his run with the Knicks and got wildly overpaid. The value of a guy is not based on whether he can put up star-like numbers in an ideal circumstance to put up numbers. It is the full check list of abilities, intellect, size, and effort. If it was just numbers, then someone ought to sign Brady Heslip today. Anybody who watched him at Baylor knew he could shoot. He is a wonderful shooter, and shooters can make shots when given the opportunity regardless of the level or location (master of the obvious). At this moment, he is in a situation where he can shoot like crazy. Does that make him better today than before he started playing in his current system? I don’t think so but if he gets a contract and a look from an NBA, good for him.

        I think Ed Davis has the interior skills to be in the NBA, but his lack of size and strength limits him to being a backup. Jordan Hill is a garbage man big, which is nice when cheap but concerning once paid. Boozer seems mentally checked out on a bad team. Nick Young is the classic NBA gunner, but wears out his welcome everywhere he goes. Ryan Kelly could be Matt Bonner or could be signing with some team in Russia a couple months from now (proud member of Heslip Nation). It is possible Jordan Clarkson eventually grows into being a starter, but right now he is a second round pick in his first month in the league. Wayne Ellington can shoot, but has been hurt and obviously has family issues at the moment. Xavier Henry might be a reclamation project and showed some promise of doing so last year, but is coming off an injury. Wes Johnson has improbably spent his career 18-feet or more from the basket despite not being a good shooter from that distance. If teams can figure out how to make it work with Kidd-Gilchrist, Mbah a Moute, and Tony Allen, why not him? Up and down the roster, and it is mostly lottery tickets with a few bad fits mixed in.

        It doesn’t help that they have seemingly zero defensive infrastructure or desire. If they are going to play Nellyball or D’Antoni ball, then they ought to have kept D’Antoni. If they ultimately want to build a team in the image of the squads that have won titles (Pau/Lamar/Bynum, Shaq, Kareem/Green/Worthy), then they should be thinking big. It is not going to happen until next summer, but that is their path out of this place.

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  • #956142
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    To be fair, the more you watch the Lakers, the more they look like Kobe Bryant and eleven 76ers. They don’t seem to have any system of play or desire to play defense, and outside of Bryant nobody in their rotation is better than a 7-10th man in a rotation. It is unfortunate to see. While it is nice to have Kobe back in the league after the injury, it is starting to have a 2002 Jordan feel.

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  • #956016
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     With the rest of the roster being so average and not really scoring then what else can Kobe do? The Lakers are paying him $23.5 million so they have to use him in effect and Kobe is a proud guy so even if the team are down by 30 points, he’ll be doing his hardest to try and do something about it.

    Good point by BTPH above, take out Kobe and are the Lakers much better than the 76ers?

    Kobe might be playing to his own agenda to a certain degree but do the Lakers have any other options.

    With KD out and LeBron sharing the load with K-Love, maybe Black Mamba wants one more run at the scoring title and to make up for sitting out most of last season with an injury.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    • #956212
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      Kobe has never been the most trusting teammate in the world, even when he had a good team around him. ("Kobe never passes me the ball, and he passed me the ball!") Jordan wasn’t either. To LeBron’s credit, for as great as he is, he has always trusted his teammates to do their job even in pressure spots. Magic was that way too. It is just a part of some people’s personality. Honestly, I don’t think Kobe is gunning for his numbers as much as he looks around and thinks his gunning is the only chance to win. 

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    • #956071
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      Kobe has never been the most trusting teammate in the world, even when he had a good team around him. ("Kobe never passes me the ball, and he passed me the ball!") Jordan wasn’t either. To LeBron’s credit, for as great as he is, he has always trusted his teammates to do their job even in pressure spots. Magic was that way too. It is just a part of some people’s personality. Honestly, I don’t think Kobe is gunning for his numbers as much as he looks around and thinks his gunning is the only chance to win. 

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  • #956158
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     With the rest of the roster being so average and not really scoring then what else can Kobe do? The Lakers are paying him $23.5 million so they have to use him in effect and Kobe is a proud guy so even if the team are down by 30 points, he’ll be doing his hardest to try and do something about it.

    Good point by BTPH above, take out Kobe and are the Lakers much better than the 76ers?

    Kobe might be playing to his own agenda to a certain degree but do the Lakers have any other options.

    With KD out and LeBron sharing the load with K-Love, maybe Black Mamba wants one more run at the scoring title and to make up for sitting out most of last season with an injury.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #956299
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     I wasn’t really watching the NBA during the Kobe-Shaq Lakers era but I assumed that Kobe would have had to pass the ball then as Shaq would have been the team’s focus certainly up until about 2002 and Phil Jackson would have run a tight team demanding everyone does specific roles.

    Pau Gasol was seen as very much a key running mate to Kobe and was brought in when Kobe was clearly the alpha male at the Lakers.

    LBJ was clearly the best player in the NBA when he moved to Miami but that was considered as D-Wade’s team so compromises had to be made especially as Bosh was a key part of the Miami trio and they wanted him on board.

     

     

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     I wasn’t really watching the NBA during the Kobe-Shaq Lakers era but I assumed that Kobe would have had to pass the ball then as Shaq would have been the team’s focus certainly up until about 2002 and Phil Jackson would have run a tight team demanding everyone does specific roles.

    Pau Gasol was seen as very much a key running mate to Kobe and was brought in when Kobe was clearly the alpha male at the Lakers.

    LBJ was clearly the best player in the NBA when he moved to Miami but that was considered as D-Wade’s team so compromises had to be made especially as Bosh was a key part of the Miami trio and they wanted him on board.

     

     

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