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Posted on: Wed, 10/22/2014 - 8:31am #58200

don042488
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Denver Nuggets intriguing small forward prospect, Quincy Miller, will be waived soon…So will be Joe Ingles by the Clippers, with Jared Cunningham out playing him and there being more of a need for a 3rd string point guard…This could be a blessing in disguise for the Philadelphia Sixers, a team in need of talent especially at small forward…In Quincy Miller they can acquire a piece for the future, as the former #1 ranked high school player, Miller has top 10 lottery potential in him…Joe Ingles is a high basketball fundamentally sound player, who makes smart basketball plays…The Sixers should sign both of them off the waiver wire, and have them keep the seat warm until Daro Saric makes his way to the city of Brotherly love
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Posted on: Wed, 10/22/2014 - 8:58am #952328

JoeWolf1
How does Miller have top 10 lottery potential? He was a 2nd rounder who hasn’t even produced at an average level despite having a coach who really wanted to give him an opportunity. Is he going to go back in time and get drafted again?
He could probably make Philly’s roster, but he’s not exactly a hidden gem. Like I said yesterday, he’s a terrible finisher, inefficient scorer, and often disappears for long stretches even when he is given a larger role. If you give Miller 20 mpg on Philly’s roster you’ll probably get about 7 ppg on sub 40% shooting.
Luc Richard, and Hollis Thompson would still play over Miller, and I think I’d rather gamble on Ronald Roberts or Drew Gordon as an extra forward. Roberts is an elite athlete and a super cheap contract, and Gordon is a mature, European veteran who’s had a nice pre-season.
Miller is an underachiever. He’s not a guy who was buried, just a guy who didn’t make the most of the shots he was given.
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- Posted on: Wed, 10/22/2014 - 10:04am #952355
  
  don042488
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  Where a player is picked doesn’t outweigh their potential…Manu Ginobli was picked in the 2nd round, but will be a Hall Of Famer after he retires…Kobe was picked 13th, but will probably go down as the best player from his draft…Being from New York I knew in my that Lance Stephenson based on solely talent should’ve been a lottery pick, but he fell to the second round due to a lot issues that weren’t basketball related…Baylor wasn’t the best college choice for Quincy Miller, his skill set would’ve been showcased better at another program, but that doesn’t take away from his talent…He’s a 6’ll small forward who moves fluently, has handle, is athletic, and is good at a lot of things, but isn’t a master of none…If Quincy hones his game at worst he can be Lamar Odom in his prime and at best he can be Paul George type of player…Did we forget he had a fantastic Summer League, and showed a lot of flashes last season as well…Let’s not get caught up in where a player is picked, because their upside could greater than where they were selected when it’s all said and done
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  - Posted on: Wed, 10/22/2014 - 10:28am #952359
    
    JoeWolf1
    I understand what potential is, but at some point when a player doesn’t put together his natural gifts then you have to question whether he has the mental makeup to maximize his potential. The ability to put everything together, learn, and improve should be considered when predicting a player’s future game.
    It’s not unknown to me that Miller is a 6’11” kid with a nice post game, good handle, and a decent shot, but I just don’t think he’s one of those guys that is going to put it together. He wouldn’t be the first, and he won’t be the last. Brian Shaw liked him, hyped him up to the media, and now he’s cut after his 2nd season. You have to think part of that is mental makeup and or effort. Part of it is probably lack of strength, but there are a lot of lanky guys who have succeeded in spite of a lack of bulk or muscle.
    I personally think he has a poor shot selection, and doesn’t have a great understanding of the pro game. His great Summer League, he still sported a sub 40% shooting percentage, and only mustered 14.5 ppg on 13 shots per contest, which has been a constant in his time as a professional.
    I’m not down on Qunicy Miller because he was a 2nd round pick. I’m down on him because of the last 3 seasons he’s played on a basketball court. If Miller hadn’t been a hyped high school player, no one would be posting about him. He’s just a player with some nice physical tools, and some skill, but just no clue how to put it together, and a guy who has consistantly underachieved.
    There was a post just last week about how Anthony Randolph could come back from Europe after next season and put up 17 ppg and 10 rpg. I know some people never give up on high school hype, or potential, but after a while your eyes should trump any mix tape nostalgia.
    
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    - Posted on: Wed, 10/22/2014 - 10:54am #952365
      
      don042488
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      You have some valid points Joe, but he’s still fairly young and has all the time in the World to put everything together, it’s not too late…He did come out of college after just one season, and knowing your going to be a 3rd string small forward, if even on the active roster year in and year out had to kill his confidence to a degree…Maybe Denver just wasn’t the team for him, on a team like the Sixers who doesn’t care about wins-loses right now, Quincy could play stress free and show his game…That could make a big difference to know you can make mistakes without getting yacked out the game…He’s a humble kid, I follow him on Twitter…He’ll do what it takes to get some security for him and his family to live comfortably for a very long time.
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    - Posted on: Wed, 10/22/2014 - 10:54am #952503
      
      don042488
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      You have some valid points Joe, but he’s still fairly young and has all the time in the World to put everything together, it’s not too late…He did come out of college after just one season, and knowing your going to be a 3rd string small forward, if even on the active roster year in and year out had to kill his confidence to a degree…Maybe Denver just wasn’t the team for him, on a team like the Sixers who doesn’t care about wins-loses right now, Quincy could play stress free and show his game…That could make a big difference to know you can make mistakes without getting yacked out the game…He’s a humble kid, I follow him on Twitter…He’ll do what it takes to get some security for him and his family to live comfortably for a very long time.
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  - Posted on: Wed, 10/22/2014 - 10:28am #952497
    
    JoeWolf1
    I understand what potential is, but at some point when a player doesn’t put together his natural gifts then you have to question whether he has the mental makeup to maximize his potential. The ability to put everything together, learn, and improve should be considered when predicting a player’s future game.
    It’s not unknown to me that Miller is a 6’11” kid with a nice post game, good handle, and a decent shot, but I just don’t think he’s one of those guys that is going to put it together. He wouldn’t be the first, and he won’t be the last. Brian Shaw liked him, hyped him up to the media, and now he’s cut after his 2nd season. You have to think part of that is mental makeup and or effort. Part of it is probably lack of strength, but there are a lot of lanky guys who have succeeded in spite of a lack of bulk or muscle.
    I personally think he has a poor shot selection, and doesn’t have a great understanding of the pro game. His great Summer League, he still sported a sub 40% shooting percentage, and only mustered 14.5 ppg on 13 shots per contest, which has been a constant in his time as a professional.
    I’m not down on Qunicy Miller because he was a 2nd round pick. I’m down on him because of the last 3 seasons he’s played on a basketball court. If Miller hadn’t been a hyped high school player, no one would be posting about him. He’s just a player with some nice physical tools, and some skill, but just no clue how to put it together, and a guy who has consistantly underachieved.
    There was a post just last week about how Anthony Randolph could come back from Europe after next season and put up 17 ppg and 10 rpg. I know some people never give up on high school hype, or potential, but after a while your eyes should trump any mix tape nostalgia.
    
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- Posted on: Wed, 10/22/2014 - 10:04am #952493
  
  don042488
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  Where a player is picked doesn’t outweigh their potential…Manu Ginobli was picked in the 2nd round, but will be a Hall Of Famer after he retires…Kobe was picked 13th, but will probably go down as the best player from his draft…Being from New York I knew in my that Lance Stephenson based on solely talent should’ve been a lottery pick, but he fell to the second round due to a lot issues that weren’t basketball related…Baylor wasn’t the best college choice for Quincy Miller, his skill set would’ve been showcased better at another program, but that doesn’t take away from his talent…He’s a 6’ll small forward who moves fluently, has handle, is athletic, and is good at a lot of things, but isn’t a master of none…If Quincy hones his game at worst he can be Lamar Odom in his prime and at best he can be Paul George type of player…Did we forget he had a fantastic Summer League, and showed a lot of flashes last season as well…Let’s not get caught up in where a player is picked, because their upside could greater than where they were selected when it’s all said and done
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Posted on: Wed, 10/22/2014 - 8:58am #952466

JoeWolf1
How does Miller have top 10 lottery potential? He was a 2nd rounder who hasn’t even produced at an average level despite having a coach who really wanted to give him an opportunity. Is he going to go back in time and get drafted again?
He could probably make Philly’s roster, but he’s not exactly a hidden gem. Like I said yesterday, he’s a terrible finisher, inefficient scorer, and often disappears for long stretches even when he is given a larger role. If you give Miller 20 mpg on Philly’s roster you’ll probably get about 7 ppg on sub 40% shooting.
Luc Richard, and Hollis Thompson would still play over Miller, and I think I’d rather gamble on Ronald Roberts or Drew Gordon as an extra forward. Roberts is an elite athlete and a super cheap contract, and Gordon is a mature, European veteran who’s had a nice pre-season.
Miller is an underachiever. He’s not a guy who was buried, just a guy who didn’t make the most of the shots he was given.
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Posted on: Wed, 10/22/2014 - 9:05am #952332

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I think he is actually pretty good. Hes 6-9 was playing power forward in college mostly and high school. Played at baylor for only a year and got buried behind 7-8 ppl on denver roster. Its hard for young players to play , when you know you have 7 other guys that can replace you. If he goes to philly his numbers will certainly increase and his value. But I agree certainly not a top 10 lottery talent
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- Posted on: Wed, 10/22/2014 - 9:12am #952334
  
  JoeWolf1
  I gotta say he was one guy Drew didn’t dump down low. Maybe in high school when he was the tallest kid on his team, but for the Bears he played the 3, and sometimes the 2. Perry Jones III was their C and Quincy Acy was their PF.
  Drew has a history of using guys out of position, but not with Quincy. Miller almost exclusively played the 2 and 3 in college.
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- Posted on: Wed, 10/22/2014 - 9:12am #952472
  
  JoeWolf1
  I gotta say he was one guy Drew didn’t dump down low. Maybe in high school when he was the tallest kid on his team, but for the Bears he played the 3, and sometimes the 2. Perry Jones III was their C and Quincy Acy was their PF.
  Drew has a history of using guys out of position, but not with Quincy. Miller almost exclusively played the 2 and 3 in college.
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Posted on: Wed, 10/22/2014 - 9:05am #952470

prophetmeir
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I think he is actually pretty good. Hes 6-9 was playing power forward in college mostly and high school. Played at baylor for only a year and got buried behind 7-8 ppl on denver roster. Its hard for young players to play , when you know you have 7 other guys that can replace you. If he goes to philly his numbers will certainly increase and his value. But I agree certainly not a top 10 lottery talent
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Posted on: Wed, 10/22/2014 - 9:18am #952340

prophetmeir
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You can still play 2 or 3 but be in the postion of a power forward spacing wise.
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- Posted on: Wed, 10/22/2014 - 9:33am #952344
  
  JoeWolf1
  He was used on the wing primarily. Acy had no range, and really played more of the C role while Perry Jones III flashed up to the top of the key a lot and acted more like a PF while guarding opposing C’s.
  Miller was used a lot on the wing, he ran a lot of baseline which is pretty common amongst college 3’s. He got a fair share of low post buckets but it wasn’t because he was posting up PF’s on the block, it was because he was running the baseline.
  He’s got a good post game, but it was often used because he had a 6’5” guard on him or something. He wasn’t a PF.
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- Posted on: Wed, 10/22/2014 - 9:33am #952482
  
  JoeWolf1
  He was used on the wing primarily. Acy had no range, and really played more of the C role while Perry Jones III flashed up to the top of the key a lot and acted more like a PF while guarding opposing C’s.
  Miller was used a lot on the wing, he ran a lot of baseline which is pretty common amongst college 3’s. He got a fair share of low post buckets but it wasn’t because he was posting up PF’s on the block, it was because he was running the baseline.
  He’s got a good post game, but it was often used because he had a 6’5” guard on him or something. He wasn’t a PF.
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Posted on: Wed, 10/22/2014 - 9:18am #952478

prophetmeir
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You can still play 2 or 3 but be in the postion of a power forward spacing wise.
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Posted on: Wed, 10/22/2014 - 9:20am #952342

imAboutDatAction
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I can’t believe people are still hyping this guy up.
You guys havne’t been watching him play, just continue to be blinded by his physcial tools and HS mixtapes.
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Posted on: Wed, 10/22/2014 - 9:20am #952480

imAboutDatAction
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I can’t believe people are still hyping this guy up.
You guys havne’t been watching him play, just continue to be blinded by his physcial tools and HS mixtapes.
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Posted on: Wed, 10/22/2014 - 1:07pm #952391

Chilbert arenas
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Next someone will be suggesting the Sixers give Ryan Harrow a shot. But honestly I don’t mind the idea of the Sixers seeing what they can get out of Miller. The guys should be taking 2000 jumpers a day and become a 3 point specialist if he wants to say in the league. Channing Frye was a low post scorer in college who quickly realized it won’t fly with the big boys and revamped his game, Miller has a clean enough stroke to be a stretch 4.
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Posted on: Wed, 10/22/2014 - 1:07pm #952529

Chilbert arenas
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Next someone will be suggesting the Sixers give Ryan Harrow a shot. But honestly I don’t mind the idea of the Sixers seeing what they can get out of Miller. The guys should be taking 2000 jumpers a day and become a 3 point specialist if he wants to say in the league. Channing Frye was a low post scorer in college who quickly realized it won’t fly with the big boys and revamped his game, Miller has a clean enough stroke to be a stretch 4.
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Posted on: Thu, 10/23/2014 - 12:39am #952579

omphalos
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I really think Miller made a mistake leaving college after one season, he looked really good in the first few games of college while Jones was suspended, but never got the opportunity to be the alpha dog and then left. One more year woulf have been huge for his draft stock and confidence.
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Posted on: Thu, 10/23/2014 - 12:39am #952441

omphalos
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I really think Miller made a mistake leaving college after one season, he looked really good in the first few games of college while Jones was suspended, but never got the opportunity to be the alpha dog and then left. One more year woulf have been huge for his draft stock and confidence.
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