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  • #58131
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    valentine

    I’m interested in finding out which former draft picks labelled as "busts" still have an opportunity to become the player they promised to be.

    I use the term "bust" lightly. It basically applies to anyone who has been disappointing despite high expectations. 

    My pick is Anthony Bennett. I still think this guy will be as good as Larry Johnson if he can stay in shape. 

    Extra marks for those who go further back to previous drafts. For example, can Austin Rivers prove people wrong?

     

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  • #951322
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    Otto Porter. I still think Jordan Hamilton should develop and be a decent pro. Ed Davis should be a decent starter somewhere. John Jenkins

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  • #951189
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    Otto Porter. I still think Jordan Hamilton should develop and be a decent pro. Ed Davis should be a decent starter somewhere. John Jenkins

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  • #951326
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    Anthony Randolph, hes going over seas now and hopefully he turns into a gerald green type case. When given in the 30 minute range his averages were something like 17 and 10. Not saying he will vome back and be a star but he has the tools to be a good starter, all the tools and more importantly doesnt seem to be completely lost or a head case. Hopefully overseas he gets a bit of humility andalso improves his work eethic, anyhoe I could see him back in the league in a couple years.
    Another guy I liked in college was Jared Cunnigham.

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  • #951193
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    Anthony Randolph, hes going over seas now and hopefully he turns into a gerald green type case. When given in the 30 minute range his averages were something like 17 and 10. Not saying he will vome back and be a star but he has the tools to be a good starter, all the tools and more importantly doesnt seem to be completely lost or a head case. Hopefully overseas he gets a bit of humility andalso improves his work eethic, anyhoe I could see him back in the league in a couple years.
    Another guy I liked in college was Jared Cunnigham.

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  • #951328
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    Dennis Schroeder. I loved him going into last year’s draft. He just turned 21 and I still believe he has star potential. He probably has a little more maturing and developing to do before he breaks out, but I think he will become a big name during the 2015-16 season.

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  • #951195
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    Dennis Schroeder. I loved him going into last year’s draft. He just turned 21 and I still believe he has star potential. He probably has a little more maturing and developing to do before he breaks out, but I think he will become a big name during the 2015-16 season.

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    • #951404
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      I would really love to see Schröder play a bigger role but the chances are pretty slim imo. 

      He started strong last year and then Shelvin Mack came in his way. 

      Schröder is burried behind Teague and Mack who they just resigened this offseason. Schröder really seems to be a poor mans version of Rondo with his handles and his vision but a change of scenery could really help him wich I highly doubt will happen. 

       

       

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    • #951270
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      I would really love to see Schröder play a bigger role but the chances are pretty slim imo. 

      He started strong last year and then Shelvin Mack came in his way. 

      Schröder is burried behind Teague and Mack who they just resigened this offseason. Schröder really seems to be a poor mans version of Rondo with his handles and his vision but a change of scenery could really help him wich I highly doubt will happen. 

       

       

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  • #951332
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    Arnett Moultrie can be better than what he has been judging from him cleaning his act up and having a good work ethic.

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  • #951199
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    Rooney
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    Arnett Moultrie can be better than what he has been judging from him cleaning his act up and having a good work ethic.

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  • #951334
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    Perry Jones III is one of my top guys for this list. I’ve been stressing for the long haul of him being shipped, and now he gets to prove his worth while Durant is out.

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  • #951201
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    Perry Jones III is one of my top guys for this list. I’ve been stressing for the long haul of him being shipped, and now he gets to prove his worth while Durant is out.

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  • #951344
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     Still confident Jeremy Lamb will wake up and become an all star.

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  • #951211
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    AdamJCalleja
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     Still confident Jeremy Lamb will wake up and become an all star.

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  • #951352
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    Chilbert arenas
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     Mo Harkless, he’s only 21 entering his 3rd year. Not expecting a break out year this year, but I am expecting double digits scoring this year and a big jump the next. 

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    Chilbert arenas
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     Mo Harkless, he’s only 21 entering his 3rd year. Not expecting a break out year this year, but I am expecting double digits scoring this year and a big jump the next. 

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  • #951354
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    Jimmer Fredette and Ben Mclemore. Jimmer will have some guys to learn from in NO from guys like eric gordon and maybe jrue holiday. 

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  • #951221
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    Jimmer Fredette and Ben Mclemore. Jimmer will have some guys to learn from in NO from guys like eric gordon and maybe jrue holiday. 

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  • #951358
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    Jeremy Lin at the time was probably the most exciting thing for knicks fans in a long time and im pretty sure david stern was smiling as "Linsanity" brought the league extre revenue. i feel as like he was labeled a bust by many in houstan because he was unable to recreate some form of that incerdible strech he had while playing for new york. 

    going into this year the lakers are not expected to compete for anything and lin will get plenty of oppertuinties as nashs injuries contiune to be an issue. look for him to have a better year on defense and put up some numbers playing off kobe 

     

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  • #951225
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    Jeremy Lin at the time was probably the most exciting thing for knicks fans in a long time and im pretty sure david stern was smiling as "Linsanity" brought the league extre revenue. i feel as like he was labeled a bust by many in houstan because he was unable to recreate some form of that incerdible strech he had while playing for new york. 

    going into this year the lakers are not expected to compete for anything and lin will get plenty of oppertuinties as nashs injuries contiune to be an issue. look for him to have a better year on defense and put up some numbers playing off kobe 

     

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    • #951308
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       Jeremy Lin a bust?

      THe dude is an undrafted free agent. Nobody drafted him, yet he’s proved more valuable than dozens selected before him.

      Lin is the opposite of a bust. 

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      • #951381
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        yes jeremy lin has carved out a productive nba carrer as an undrafted free agent however most gms around the league and fans would say he didnt preform to the level of his contract do you agree? … bust doesnt hav mean not a good played my freind it justs a way of saying he did not live up to expectaions and jeremy lin as solid as he is was not worth the contract he got and im sure darryl morey would agree.

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        • #951577
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          JoeWolf1

           No dude, a bust is someone who was drafted too high. Darko is a bust with the 2nd pick, Lin as an undrafted free agent will never be a bust by it’s true definition.

          Who have gone down as the biggest busts of all time? Guys with bad contracts? 

          I undserstand what you’re saying, and I’m sure Houston was disappointed in their investment, but that doesn’t mean your definition of bust is used by anyone else. 

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        • #951442
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          JoeWolf1

           No dude, a bust is someone who was drafted too high. Darko is a bust with the 2nd pick, Lin as an undrafted free agent will never be a bust by it’s true definition.

          Who have gone down as the biggest busts of all time? Guys with bad contracts? 

          I undserstand what you’re saying, and I’m sure Houston was disappointed in their investment, but that doesn’t mean your definition of bust is used by anyone else. 

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      • #951514
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        yes jeremy lin has carved out a productive nba carrer as an undrafted free agent however most gms around the league and fans would say he didnt preform to the level of his contract do you agree? … bust doesnt hav mean not a good played my freind it justs a way of saying he did not live up to expectaions and jeremy lin as solid as he is was not worth the contract he got and im sure darryl morey would agree.

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      • #951555
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        thricethefun
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        His contract was a bust.

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      • #951421
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        thricethefun
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        His contract was a bust.

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        • #951868
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          TallmanNYC
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          Only because the Rockets got handed Harden on a silver platter. Lin needs the ball in his hands to get maximum effectiveness. But Harden is one of the top three or four guards on offense in the league.  

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        • #951732
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          Only because the Rockets got handed Harden on a silver platter. Lin needs the ball in his hands to get maximum effectiveness. But Harden is one of the top three or four guards on offense in the league.  

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    • #951443
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      JoeWolf1

       Jeremy Lin a bust?

      THe dude is an undrafted free agent. Nobody drafted him, yet he’s proved more valuable than dozens selected before him.

      Lin is the opposite of a bust. 

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  • #951364
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     well, some people consider MKG a bust for his draft pick, 2nd over-all, and not expanding his game yet after 2 full seasons in the league. i honestly think he’s fine and will be good. just one of those players who wont be in MIP contention but will make steady improvements in his game through the years. 

    personally for my team though, im hoping brandon rush would have a bounce back season after 2 less than impressive ones. i dont think he’ll ever live up to being a lottery pick, but i do still believe he could be a good rotational team player. when my warriors last had him, he defended well, moved the ball when he dint have a shot, took it when it was open. hoping he gets back to form and his outside shot becomes more reliable.

    i dont think anyone honestly will believe that Wesley Johnson could live up to his draft selection, but he’s still in ideal situation for it to happen. he actually had a decent stat line last year, 9-4-1-1-1 with 1 three a game. if steve nash has any gas left in the tank and can play 50 games, it could help johnson get 3-4 more points and 12 PPG is not bad from a 4th or 5th option on the starting line-up since he does other things for the team.

     

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  • #951231
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     well, some people consider MKG a bust for his draft pick, 2nd over-all, and not expanding his game yet after 2 full seasons in the league. i honestly think he’s fine and will be good. just one of those players who wont be in MIP contention but will make steady improvements in his game through the years. 

    personally for my team though, im hoping brandon rush would have a bounce back season after 2 less than impressive ones. i dont think he’ll ever live up to being a lottery pick, but i do still believe he could be a good rotational team player. when my warriors last had him, he defended well, moved the ball when he dint have a shot, took it when it was open. hoping he gets back to form and his outside shot becomes more reliable.

    i dont think anyone honestly will believe that Wesley Johnson could live up to his draft selection, but he’s still in ideal situation for it to happen. he actually had a decent stat line last year, 9-4-1-1-1 with 1 three a game. if steve nash has any gas left in the tank and can play 50 games, it could help johnson get 3-4 more points and 12 PPG is not bad from a 4th or 5th option on the starting line-up since he does other things for the team.

     

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  • #951374
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    Myers Leonard, still just 22 and a freak athlete just learning to play the game, I think he needs a team change. If I’m the Cavs I go after him and try to make him a rim protector, rebounding, lob catching freak like Tyson Chandler or Deandre Jordan

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  • #951241
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    Myers Leonard, still just 22 and a freak athlete just learning to play the game, I think he needs a team change. If I’m the Cavs I go after him and try to make him a rim protector, rebounding, lob catching freak like Tyson Chandler or Deandre Jordan

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    • #951331
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       Meyers Leonard is lost on defense and within rebounding schemes thats why he cant get off the pine. Thats the last thing the Cavs need.

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      • #951648
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         Contending teams have no time to develop lottery busts and hope they become something.

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      • #951513
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         Contending teams have no time to develop lottery busts and hope they become something.

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    • #951465
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      OhCanada-
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       Meyers Leonard is lost on defense and within rebounding schemes thats why he cant get off the pine. Thats the last thing the Cavs need.

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  • #951396
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    With the SG spot being so thin around the league…  I can see Jeremy Lamb putting good numbers and becoming a top 10 for the position in the next couple of seasons.

    I don’t think Schroeder is a bust at all. He showed great potential and he can still live up to it. The PG position is just too crowded at the moment.

     

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  • #951263
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    King Calucha
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    With the SG spot being so thin around the league…  I can see Jeremy Lamb putting good numbers and becoming a top 10 for the position in the next couple of seasons.

    I don’t think Schroeder is a bust at all. He showed great potential and he can still live up to it. The PG position is just too crowded at the moment.

     

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  • #951398
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    I am going for a wild one :Bismack Biyombo
    I think he can turnout to be a good defensive C at the middle of his career when he is around 26-28 .a sort of a very good back up C or a starting C on a play-off team .some would say that he would still be a bust though I think considering that 201 wasn’t the strongest kind of draft it won’t be that bad

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  • #951264
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    I am going for a wild one :Bismack Biyombo
    I think he can turnout to be a good defensive C at the middle of his career when he is around 26-28 .a sort of a very good back up C or a starting C on a play-off team .some would say that he would still be a bust though I think considering that 201 wasn’t the strongest kind of draft it won’t be that bad

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  • #951300
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    omphalos
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     Good topic.

    I think Shabazz Muhammad can be a quality starter in the NBA, I think Harrison Barnes can bounce back from a soph slump and be a star down the line.

    I think Jeremy Lamb can definitely be a starter on the Thunder if he’s just given minutes to develop.

    Like Barnes he’s not suited to a 6th man role, both of them are better suited to being with the starters.

    Ricky Ledo’s stock dropped after basically skipping college but I think he can be a great contributor soon.

    Alec Burks didn’t pan out right away but I think his ability to get to the rim and ft line is just as elite as Klay Thompson’s shooting.

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  • #951434
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    omphalos
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     Good topic.

    I think Shabazz Muhammad can be a quality starter in the NBA, I think Harrison Barnes can bounce back from a soph slump and be a star down the line.

    I think Jeremy Lamb can definitely be a starter on the Thunder if he’s just given minutes to develop.

    Like Barnes he’s not suited to a 6th man role, both of them are better suited to being with the starters.

    Ricky Ledo’s stock dropped after basically skipping college but I think he can be a great contributor soon.

    Alec Burks didn’t pan out right away but I think his ability to get to the rim and ft line is just as elite as Klay Thompson’s shooting.

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  • #951333
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    Trying to think of some guys off the top of my head…

    1. Is it fair to pick a guy like Rubio?  He hasn’t been like a monumental bust, but I think a lot of people have been disappointed in him, and I still believe he has what it takes to be a very good PG in the NBA.
    2. I still think Jimmer can be an effective PG in an off-ball kind of role, or be a good spark plug off the bench given the opportunity, but I’m not sure if he’ll get that in New Orleans or not.
    3. He probably isn’t a bust, but I think Brandon Knight could take the next step to becoming a good starter this year.
    4. One guy I really think can redeem himself this year is John Jenkins.  He was a late 1st rounder to begin with, but he’s been terrible as a pro so far/had injury issues.  On a Hawks team with playoff aspirations and very little at the SG position, I think he could blossom into a scorer off the bench for them.
    5. Evan Fournier is another guy that I still have faith in, though he hasn’t done much in the pre-season

    I’m not going to try with any of the 2013 guys yet just because I think it’s too early to declare any of them to be busts.

     

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    • #951385
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       I don’t think it would be fair to consider Rubio a "bust". Considering he is close to averaging a double double. 9.5 points 8.6 assists. He also averages 32 minutes a game last year and expecting more this year. I also think his ppg will go up since Klove is gone, assists might go down too tho. Great at getting steals too.

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    • #951519
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      rich.homie.mitch
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       I don’t think it would be fair to consider Rubio a "bust". Considering he is close to averaging a double double. 9.5 points 8.6 assists. He also averages 32 minutes a game last year and expecting more this year. I also think his ppg will go up since Klove is gone, assists might go down too tho. Great at getting steals too.

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  • #951466
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    Trying to think of some guys off the top of my head…

    1. Is it fair to pick a guy like Rubio?  He hasn’t been like a monumental bust, but I think a lot of people have been disappointed in him, and I still believe he has what it takes to be a very good PG in the NBA.
    2. I still think Jimmer can be an effective PG in an off-ball kind of role, or be a good spark plug off the bench given the opportunity, but I’m not sure if he’ll get that in New Orleans or not.
    3. He probably isn’t a bust, but I think Brandon Knight could take the next step to becoming a good starter this year.
    4. One guy I really think can redeem himself this year is John Jenkins.  He was a late 1st rounder to begin with, but he’s been terrible as a pro so far/had injury issues.  On a Hawks team with playoff aspirations and very little at the SG position, I think he could blossom into a scorer off the bench for them.
    5. Evan Fournier is another guy that I still have faith in, though he hasn’t done much in the pre-season

    I’m not going to try with any of the 2013 guys yet just because I think it’s too early to declare any of them to be busts.

     

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  • #951349
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     I think Jimmer has the chance to turn things around this season.  He has outplayed Rivers thus far In the preseason.  Especially if Evans starts, I think Jimmer could provide 18-24 min off the bench backing up both Holliday and Gordon provide 8-12 ppg.

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  • #951482
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     I think Jimmer has the chance to turn things around this season.  He has outplayed Rivers thus far In the preseason.  Especially if Evans starts, I think Jimmer could provide 18-24 min off the bench backing up both Holliday and Gordon provide 8-12 ppg.

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  • #951630
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     I think once he gets adjusted to the physicality of the NBA, he will be a nice player.  He is just so intelligent moving off-the-ball and playing team basketball that he should be a nice team player at the very worst.  And his shooting range looks like it has improved this summer, which was my biggest question with him.  If he can capably knock down the three-ball, he should be fine, given how good he is in mid-range and how well he plays team basketball.  And, I hate to say it, but the Beal injury will likely open up some minutes for him.

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  • #951495
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     I think once he gets adjusted to the physicality of the NBA, he will be a nice player.  He is just so intelligent moving off-the-ball and playing team basketball that he should be a nice team player at the very worst.  And his shooting range looks like it has improved this summer, which was my biggest question with him.  If he can capably knock down the three-ball, he should be fine, given how good he is in mid-range and how well he plays team basketball.  And, I hate to say it, but the Beal injury will likely open up some minutes for him.

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  • #951636
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     I don’t really know if you guys look at him as a bust or not but I say Jordan Hill. Most he ever averaged was 9.7 PPG and I expect him to do good this season as the starting Center for the Lakers.

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  • #951501
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     I don’t really know if you guys look at him as a bust or not but I say Jordan Hill. Most he ever averaged was 9.7 PPG and I expect him to do good this season as the starting Center for the Lakers.

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  • #951574
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    slash787
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     I have a list of guys that I still like who haven’t done a ton their first few seasons in no particular order.

    Austin Rivers

    Jimmer Fredette

    Moe Harkless

    Donatas Motiejunas

    Jeremy Lamb

    Tyler Zeller

    Archie Goodwin

    Dennis Schroder

    Long shots (but I still like their talent)

    Will Barton, Quincy Miller, Moultrie, PJ3

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    • #951576
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      rich.homie.mitch
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       I couldn’t call Will Barton a bust. Great energy guy, just needs to develop a shot. He plays really hard and wasn’t even selected in the first round.

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      • #951578
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        slash787
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         I agree. I would put Quincy Miller in the same category. They are guys that I think will do something productive that haven’t done anything up to this point for the most part. 

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      • #951713
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        slash787
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         I agree. I would put Quincy Miller in the same category. They are guys that I think will do something productive that haven’t done anything up to this point for the most part. 

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    • #951711
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      rich.homie.mitch
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       I couldn’t call Will Barton a bust. Great energy guy, just needs to develop a shot. He plays really hard and wasn’t even selected in the first round.

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    slash787
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     I have a list of guys that I still like who haven’t done a ton their first few seasons in no particular order.

    Austin Rivers

    Jimmer Fredette

    Moe Harkless

    Donatas Motiejunas

    Jeremy Lamb

    Tyler Zeller

    Archie Goodwin

    Dennis Schroder

    Long shots (but I still like their talent)

    Will Barton, Quincy Miller, Moultrie, PJ3

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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