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- Posted on: Fri, 09/19/2014 - 2:53am #57991
onehitwonder33ParticipantWhere you guys rank Vince Carter in the shooting guard category, all time?
0 - Posted on: Fri, 09/19/2014 - 3:35am #949096
Rip255Around the 15-20 mark. Hard to judge but he’s not in the top 10, which includes guys like Oscar Robertson, Kobe, D-wade, Ray Allen, Reggie Miller, Clyde the Glide, George Gervin and MJ.
He probably had as much talent as some of those guys, but lack of playoff success and competetive drive just knocks him down into the next rung.
I’d be prepared to say Vince in his prime was equal to James Harden today? You’re welcome to disagree.
0- Posted on: Fri, 09/19/2014 - 5:07am #949104
Toronto16ParticipantOscar Robertson was a PG, and you left out Allen Iverson.
I’d probably take Vince over Reggie Miller too.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 09/19/2014 - 5:07am #949239
Toronto16ParticipantOscar Robertson was a PG, and you left out Allen Iverson.
I’d probably take Vince over Reggie Miller too.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 09/19/2014 - 5:15am #949108
DipoTimeParticipantIf hes in the 15-20 mark then who else is ahead of him in the 9-14 range? I think the Harden comparison is solid but Vince burst onto the scene and averaged 25+ in his second season and he did it in an explosive way. He was so much more than just a great offensive player too. He carried a new franchise that honestly might not be around anymore if it werent for him. He helped turned Toronto into a basketball city (still behind hockey of course). He was arguably the most popular face in basketball not only in the US, but globally as well.
Talent wise, I believe he is up there in the top 10 at his position. With what he brought to Toronto, to the NBA, and to the game of basketball he is easily top 10, maybe top 5. His all around stats indicate he would be top 10 as well. So Im not really sure what is keeping him away from it other than people having too high of expectations for him. I think 20 years from now when we look back at his entire career people will say he was a top 5-8 SG all time.
0- Posted on: Fri, 09/19/2014 - 5:24am #949110
Hector_Reyes_8ParticipantMJ, Kobe, Dwyane, Clyde, Jerry West, Gervin, and Iverson (Iverson and Gervin are interchangeable). Then it’s between Allen, Carter, and Miller
0 - Posted on: Fri, 09/19/2014 - 5:24am #949245
Hector_Reyes_8ParticipantMJ, Kobe, Dwyane, Clyde, Jerry West, Gervin, and Iverson (Iverson and Gervin are interchangeable). Then it’s between Allen, Carter, and Miller
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- Posted on: Fri, 09/19/2014 - 5:15am #949243
DipoTimeParticipantIf hes in the 15-20 mark then who else is ahead of him in the 9-14 range? I think the Harden comparison is solid but Vince burst onto the scene and averaged 25+ in his second season and he did it in an explosive way. He was so much more than just a great offensive player too. He carried a new franchise that honestly might not be around anymore if it werent for him. He helped turned Toronto into a basketball city (still behind hockey of course). He was arguably the most popular face in basketball not only in the US, but globally as well.
Talent wise, I believe he is up there in the top 10 at his position. With what he brought to Toronto, to the NBA, and to the game of basketball he is easily top 10, maybe top 5. His all around stats indicate he would be top 10 as well. So Im not really sure what is keeping him away from it other than people having too high of expectations for him. I think 20 years from now when we look back at his entire career people will say he was a top 5-8 SG all time.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 09/19/2014 - 10:59am #949271
TRC1991ParticipantRip255 is greatly under-rating Carter
0 - Posted on: Fri, 09/19/2014 - 10:59am #949135
TRC1991ParticipantRip255 is greatly under-rating Carter
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- Posted on: Fri, 09/19/2014 - 3:35am #949231
Rip255Around the 15-20 mark. Hard to judge but he’s not in the top 10, which includes guys like Oscar Robertson, Kobe, D-wade, Ray Allen, Reggie Miller, Clyde the Glide, George Gervin and MJ.
He probably had as much talent as some of those guys, but lack of playoff success and competetive drive just knocks him down into the next rung.
I’d be prepared to say Vince in his prime was equal to James Harden today? You’re welcome to disagree.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 09/19/2014 - 7:50am #949253
RUDEBOY_ParticipantMy All Time SG Ranking would be:
Klay Thompson..just kidding…
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1.MJ
2.Kobe
3.Wade
4.West
5.Pistol Pete
6.Drexler
7.Iverson
8.Gervin
9.McGrady
10.Earl Monroe
11.Hal Greer
12.Ray Allen
13.David Thompson
14.Joe Dumars
15.Bill Sharman
16.Reggie Miller
17.Vince Carter
18.Mitch Richmond
19.Sidney Moncrief
20.tie..Manu Ginobili and Sam Jones
0 - Posted on: Fri, 09/19/2014 - 7:50am #949117
RUDEBOY_ParticipantMy All Time SG Ranking would be:
Klay Thompson..just kidding…
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1.MJ
2.Kobe
3.Wade
4.West
5.Pistol Pete
6.Drexler
7.Iverson
8.Gervin
9.McGrady
10.Earl Monroe
11.Hal Greer
12.Ray Allen
13.David Thompson
14.Joe Dumars
15.Bill Sharman
16.Reggie Miller
17.Vince Carter
18.Mitch Richmond
19.Sidney Moncrief
20.tie..Manu Ginobili and Sam Jones
0- Posted on: Fri, 09/19/2014 - 12:09pm #949286
For_Never_EverParticipantI would put Manu and Paul Pierce ahead of him.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 09/19/2014 - 12:09pm #949149
For_Never_EverParticipantI would put Manu and Paul Pierce ahead of him.
0- Posted on: Fri, 09/19/2014 - 8:38pm #949345
For_Never_EverParticipantManu Ginobili has won sixth man of the year award, Olympic medal for his national team, and was the reason why they won. Also has four NBA championships. Any other team he would have been the super star for the team and starter. He was a deciding factor for his the Spurs whenever he came in the came in the fouth quarter in his prime.
Paul Piece won a ring and NBA finals MVP. Also a three point contest. Scored more then 20,000 points. He became one of the better defenders in the league that could actually hold his own against Lebron. Considered one of the most clutch players at the end of the quarter during his prime.
It’s not just about the rings, but these two have done more and are better all around players.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 09/19/2014 - 8:38pm #949210
For_Never_EverParticipantManu Ginobili has won sixth man of the year award, Olympic medal for his national team, and was the reason why they won. Also has four NBA championships. Any other team he would have been the super star for the team and starter. He was a deciding factor for his the Spurs whenever he came in the came in the fouth quarter in his prime.
Paul Piece won a ring and NBA finals MVP. Also a three point contest. Scored more then 20,000 points. He became one of the better defenders in the league that could actually hold his own against Lebron. Considered one of the most clutch players at the end of the quarter during his prime.
It’s not just about the rings, but these two have done more and are better all around players.
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- Posted on: Fri, 09/19/2014 - 8:39am #949257
King CaluchaParticipantWow… I can’t believe you guys are listing players like Clyde, Pistol or Iceman so low… Also, Sidney Moncrief was a beast.
Considering the list Rudeboy puts (eventhough I might not agree with the order), you can see there’s so much to choose from. Vince Carter can’t be a top 10 SG. Arguably top 15-20 is more accurate. It’s not a big deal, though. He was an elite player for the league in the early 2000’s and some of us enjoyed watching him play. That should be enough.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 09/19/2014 - 8:39am #949121
King CaluchaParticipantWow… I can’t believe you guys are listing players like Clyde, Pistol or Iceman so low… Also, Sidney Moncrief was a beast.
Considering the list Rudeboy puts (eventhough I might not agree with the order), you can see there’s so much to choose from. Vince Carter can’t be a top 10 SG. Arguably top 15-20 is more accurate. It’s not a big deal, though. He was an elite player for the league in the early 2000’s and some of us enjoyed watching him play. That should be enough.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 09/19/2014 - 10:35am #949267
gbmantisParticipantWhy does everyone put Wade above Iverson? If he played his prime with Lebron and Shaq you don’t think he would have as many rings as Wade?
0 - Posted on: Fri, 09/19/2014 - 10:35am #949131
gbmantisParticipantWhy does everyone put Wade above Iverson? If he played his prime with Lebron and Shaq you don’t think he would have as many rings as Wade?
0- Posted on: Fri, 09/19/2014 - 4:13pm #949314
TallmanNYCParticipantBecause Iverson wasn’t that efficient a scorer. Wade has been a high ussage and high efficiency guy his entire career. Iverson was just high usage (super high sometimes which is really impressive). But his efficiency was never much better than league average.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 09/19/2014 - 4:13pm #949177
TallmanNYCParticipantBecause Iverson wasn’t that efficient a scorer. Wade has been a high ussage and high efficiency guy his entire career. Iverson was just high usage (super high sometimes which is really impressive). But his efficiency was never much better than league average.
0- Posted on: Sat, 09/20/2014 - 3:03am #949361
ropeParticipantI don’t really care about their relative rankings, but I’d have to say that Iverson could create shots where none existed. Figure, as well, that everyone on the floor – on both teams – knew he was probably going to shoot. The defense had to react. The offense could spend a little bit more effort than normal in gaining offensive rebounding position. He took a lot of shots and not all of them went in, but this style benefited the teams that were built around his unique skill.
If Iverson would have a bit of Tiny Archibald in him and made a late career transition as a distributor, too, he would be thought of in even higher regard.
The arguments for Wade aren’t necessarily about his offense. He is / was hyper athletic, which let him play as a dynamic, but undersized SG. He made game changing defensive plays and has arguably been the best shot blocking guard of all time. In his prime he was a menace in the paint – taking contact, finshing strong, dunking on big men,
Overall, you cannot tell the story of the NBA without mentioning these guys.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 09/20/2014 - 3:03am #949226
ropeParticipantI don’t really care about their relative rankings, but I’d have to say that Iverson could create shots where none existed. Figure, as well, that everyone on the floor – on both teams – knew he was probably going to shoot. The defense had to react. The offense could spend a little bit more effort than normal in gaining offensive rebounding position. He took a lot of shots and not all of them went in, but this style benefited the teams that were built around his unique skill.
If Iverson would have a bit of Tiny Archibald in him and made a late career transition as a distributor, too, he would be thought of in even higher regard.
The arguments for Wade aren’t necessarily about his offense. He is / was hyper athletic, which let him play as a dynamic, but undersized SG. He made game changing defensive plays and has arguably been the best shot blocking guard of all time. In his prime he was a menace in the paint – taking contact, finshing strong, dunking on big men,
Overall, you cannot tell the story of the NBA without mentioning these guys.
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- Posted on: Fri, 09/19/2014 - 2:49pm #949304
llpereztmac’s prime was much better then vince’s prime. Only way vince is ahead of tmac is if you base it on carter’s longevity.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 09/19/2014 - 2:49pm #949167
llpereztmac’s prime was much better then vince’s prime. Only way vince is ahead of tmac is if you base it on carter’s longevity.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 09/19/2014 - 3:03pm #949308
HitsterParticipantI’d say that Carter is borderline top 10 if you consider a lot of como guards as SG’s. If you look at just pure SG’s then he’d be in the 8 to 10 range.
MJ is at the top with Kobe following then West, Pistol Pete, AI, D-Wade, Drexler, Gervin, Ray Allen, T-Mac, Carter, Reggie Miller etc
That is just a ballpark list as expecially the last few guys I’d have to think very carefully what order I’d put them in.
Most of us will have MJ first followed by Kobe, do other people think there is a greater gap between MJ and Kobe or between Kobe and whoever we put at number 3?
0 - Posted on: Fri, 09/19/2014 - 3:03pm #949171
HitsterParticipantI’d say that Carter is borderline top 10 if you consider a lot of como guards as SG’s. If you look at just pure SG’s then he’d be in the 8 to 10 range.
MJ is at the top with Kobe following then West, Pistol Pete, AI, D-Wade, Drexler, Gervin, Ray Allen, T-Mac, Carter, Reggie Miller etc
That is just a ballpark list as expecially the last few guys I’d have to think very carefully what order I’d put them in.
Most of us will have MJ first followed by Kobe, do other people think there is a greater gap between MJ and Kobe or between Kobe and whoever we put at number 3?
0 - Posted on: Fri, 09/19/2014 - 4:34pm #949320
gbmantisParticipantOf course Wade is going to be high efficiency! He had Shaq taking up two defenders in the paint for the first title, and then the last 4 years he was playing against the opponents weaker wing defender. When opponents weren’t worrying about Lebron, they had to worry about Battier or Allen camping at the 3 point line, so he had tons of space to work his mid range game.
Iverson was going up against double and triple teams, and had to pass to George Lynch, Theo Ratliff, Eric Snow and Aaron Mckie.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 09/19/2014 - 4:34pm #949183
gbmantisParticipantOf course Wade is going to be high efficiency! He had Shaq taking up two defenders in the paint for the first title, and then the last 4 years he was playing against the opponents weaker wing defender. When opponents weren’t worrying about Lebron, they had to worry about Battier or Allen camping at the 3 point line, so he had tons of space to work his mid range game.
Iverson was going up against double and triple teams, and had to pass to George Lynch, Theo Ratliff, Eric Snow and Aaron Mckie.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 09/20/2014 - 6:08am #949372
TarHeelRavenParticipantI think Vince is top twenty. Everytime I hear Vince Carter mentioned I always ask myself….."What if Vince had a work ethic equal to Kobe and MJ?" "What if Vince had stayed healthy his entire career?" In terms of raw athleticism, I don’t think there was anybody better in the history of the league better than Vinsanity, possibly T-Mac, but it’s close.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 09/20/2014 - 6:08am #949235
TarHeelRavenParticipantI think Vince is top twenty. Everytime I hear Vince Carter mentioned I always ask myself….."What if Vince had a work ethic equal to Kobe and MJ?" "What if Vince had stayed healthy his entire career?" In terms of raw athleticism, I don’t think there was anybody better in the history of the league better than Vinsanity, possibly T-Mac, but it’s close.
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