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Posted on: Sat, 08/09/2014 - 6:52pm #57732

festar35
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I have just got back from my Australian Basketball tourney and we Kiwi’s took out first in Division Two, there were a few ex-ANBL guys playing in that top grade. Anyway I have wanted to put a piece together about my Pacers and what they should potentially do about there future. I will get straight into and say I am a fan of the youth movement in Indiana.
The reason is that I feel that George will not be anything close to his previous level until 2016-17 season by which point West will be 35 and his contract would have finished year prior anyway. Roy Hibbert will be in a position to leave at end of 2015-16 season if not sooner if this season goes poorly. For me these variables are more than enough to get younger.
Start of 2016-17 George will still only just have turned 27 where most people enter their prime. If Indiana makes moves now for younger guys they can then use this season to get them in the Indiana mindset of Basketball, the following season to adjust to having PG in the line-up while he finds his feet again in NBA. Then the following season begin to compete again if all goes to plan.
The moves to make (IMO): Indiana trade Hibbert to Portland for Leonard, Robinson and McCollum.
Why: Portland get interior defence which is hard to find in the NBA right now and they don’t need help to score the ball either. With Aldridge being a mid range shooter that leaves Hibbert the post such I am sure he will be happy with, it will push them into contender status.
Why: Indiana get a young play maker SG in McCollum who I truly feel can be a 17-18ppg guy in a couple of years and nice second scorer next to George. Robinson is just a non-stop motor and has that competitive fire that Hansbrough had and was awesome for Indiana the thing is he is better. Leonard is a project and I think he will be a nice energy C off the bench in future.
Indiana trade David West to Sacramento for Ray McCallum and Jason Terry expiring contract.
Why: Sacramento will get a veteran leader and a very solid PF to compliment the team very well, his leadership could propel the Kings roster further.
Why: Indiana would get a PG of the future as McCallum looks like he can be a solid starting PG and have the play making ability Indiana needs. Terry for salary purposes.
The Pacers would also have a nice 2015 draft pick in the mix and may get a guy like Towns or Okafor to take that C spot. If PG doesn’t ever get 100% healthy, Indiana still in a position to build with those young guys.
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Posted on: Sat, 08/09/2014 - 7:08pm #944215

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both seem reasonable, but reality is i dont think any of the peices the pacers add would be long term pieces. Pretty much just be salary dumps. And based on last season, im not sure anyone would want to add hibbert at all. he makes 30 mill over the next 2 years after averagin 9 and 6 during the playoffs and completely dissapearing. Ive read articles that say the team has been quietly shopping him all summer with no interest.
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Posted on: Sat, 08/09/2014 - 7:08pm #944080

llperez
both seem reasonable, but reality is i dont think any of the peices the pacers add would be long term pieces. Pretty much just be salary dumps. And based on last season, im not sure anyone would want to add hibbert at all. he makes 30 mill over the next 2 years after averagin 9 and 6 during the playoffs and completely dissapearing. Ive read articles that say the team has been quietly shopping him all summer with no interest.
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Posted on: Sat, 08/09/2014 - 7:23pm #944219

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I dont think you need both, CJ is capable of being an everyday point guard and will probably be a better long term guard in the rotation if he falters. Ray is more of a career 2nd or 3rd point guard that might be able to eat minutes if your start goes down. Indy should be looking for a decent 2/3 for West that can fill some of PG’s minutes and some of Lance’s production. If they can get Leonard and Robinson in the deal for Hibbert then thats a steal.
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Posted on: Sat, 08/09/2014 - 7:23pm #944084

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I dont think you need both, CJ is capable of being an everyday point guard and will probably be a better long term guard in the rotation if he falters. Ray is more of a career 2nd or 3rd point guard that might be able to eat minutes if your start goes down. Indy should be looking for a decent 2/3 for West that can fill some of PG’s minutes and some of Lance’s production. If they can get Leonard and Robinson in the deal for Hibbert then thats a steal.
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Posted on: Sat, 08/09/2014 - 7:50pm #944221

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I would be looking at a select few names and they would have to be able to score.
Ben McLemore, Tim Hardaway Jr, CJ McCollum and Marcus Smart (likely unattainable)
Outside Smart who would probably cost Indiana Hibbert, West and future pick and they would need to take back Jeff Green and Gerald Wallace’s contracts. I feel a pick would need to come Indiana’s way due to the fact that they are unproven.
In order:
1. Tim Hardaway as he is capable of 17-19ppg scorer in a few years and truly reminds me of Ray Allen offensively.
2. CJ McCollum suffered due to injury however I still think he can bring his game to near All-Star level and be what we hoped George Hill would be as a starting PG 16-17ppg 6-7apg, production.
3. Ben McLemore the most potential out of the three, but showed the least out of all of them. However the most likely to happen IMO as Sac-Town could greatly benefit from West, if they don’t want to surrender pick maybe McLemore and Williams.
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Posted on: Sat, 08/09/2014 - 7:50pm #944086

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I would be looking at a select few names and they would have to be able to score.
Ben McLemore, Tim Hardaway Jr, CJ McCollum and Marcus Smart (likely unattainable)
Outside Smart who would probably cost Indiana Hibbert, West and future pick and they would need to take back Jeff Green and Gerald Wallace’s contracts. I feel a pick would need to come Indiana’s way due to the fact that they are unproven.
In order:
1. Tim Hardaway as he is capable of 17-19ppg scorer in a few years and truly reminds me of Ray Allen offensively.
2. CJ McCollum suffered due to injury however I still think he can bring his game to near All-Star level and be what we hoped George Hill would be as a starting PG 16-17ppg 6-7apg, production.
3. Ben McLemore the most potential out of the three, but showed the least out of all of them. However the most likely to happen IMO as Sac-Town could greatly benefit from West, if they don’t want to surrender pick maybe McLemore and Williams.
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Posted on: Sat, 08/09/2014 - 8:03pm #944223

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So many things wrong with this, in my opinion. I, like you, Festar, am an avid Pacers fan…and I would hate to see all this happen.
-First of all, what makes you say PG won’t be near his top form til 2016-2017? His leg had a relatively clean break. It could be an even easier recovery than a torn ACL, and will likely have fewer potential snags and the leg will be stronger than it was before.
-Second, Ray McCallum is not the answer at point guard. He’s not better than George Hill. He may never be better than George Hill. And he certainly isn’t going to be any kind of outstanding, super-solid starting point in this league for any length of time.
-So we trade Hibbert to Portland. Who becomes our starting center for the future? Mahinmi? No way. The Pacers hang their hat on their defense, and if they trade HIbbert, even that is gone. Mahinmi has his moments but he is not starter material. And neither is Meyers Leonard. I like Meyers Leonard, I really do. But he will never be anywhere near a top 5 center in the league, which is what Hibbert is when he’s not playing with his head in his butt, which, generally, he’s not. That’s why he’s a two-time all-star and maybe the best defensive center in the league. Which some people have forgotten about following these past playoffs.
-CJ McCollum and Thomas Robinson have had 2.5 seasons to prove what they can do. Robinson has never shown anything extraordinary. McCollum has not played much NBA ball and could still be good, but really. He’s a 6’4" shooting guard who’s not a particularly good defender.
Which of these lineups would you want in 2015-2016
Hibbert-(Aging but still consistent with a good mid-range jumper and a veteran presence) David West-(nearly full strength) Paul George-Miles/Stuckey-Hill
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Meyers Leonard-(slightly more experienced) Thomas Robinson-(nearly full strength) Paul George-Miles/Stuckey, unless CJ McCollum is wayyy better than he is now-Ray McCallum. Plus maybe a good rookie cause your trade made us suck.
That second lineup sucks. Paul George will have to take 25 shots a game, many of them bad, and we have no defensive anchor anywhere near Roy HIbbert. Our future is basically George, and maybe McCollum if he ends up improving a lot. Robinson will likely never be more than a solid starter, if that. McCallum’s ceiling is a very low-end starting point guard.
The first lineup is a 5 seed in the East at the very least.
If Larry Bird blows everything up, he’s not going to walk away with just McCollum, Robinson, McCallum, and Leonard to support Paul George. That’s a garbage return for two very good players and he’s a better GM than that.
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Posted on: Sat, 08/09/2014 - 8:03pm #944088

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So many things wrong with this, in my opinion. I, like you, Festar, am an avid Pacers fan…and I would hate to see all this happen.
-First of all, what makes you say PG won’t be near his top form til 2016-2017? His leg had a relatively clean break. It could be an even easier recovery than a torn ACL, and will likely have fewer potential snags and the leg will be stronger than it was before.
-Second, Ray McCallum is not the answer at point guard. He’s not better than George Hill. He may never be better than George Hill. And he certainly isn’t going to be any kind of outstanding, super-solid starting point in this league for any length of time.
-So we trade Hibbert to Portland. Who becomes our starting center for the future? Mahinmi? No way. The Pacers hang their hat on their defense, and if they trade HIbbert, even that is gone. Mahinmi has his moments but he is not starter material. And neither is Meyers Leonard. I like Meyers Leonard, I really do. But he will never be anywhere near a top 5 center in the league, which is what Hibbert is when he’s not playing with his head in his butt, which, generally, he’s not. That’s why he’s a two-time all-star and maybe the best defensive center in the league. Which some people have forgotten about following these past playoffs.
-CJ McCollum and Thomas Robinson have had 2.5 seasons to prove what they can do. Robinson has never shown anything extraordinary. McCollum has not played much NBA ball and could still be good, but really. He’s a 6’4" shooting guard who’s not a particularly good defender.
Which of these lineups would you want in 2015-2016
Hibbert-(Aging but still consistent with a good mid-range jumper and a veteran presence) David West-(nearly full strength) Paul George-Miles/Stuckey-Hill
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Meyers Leonard-(slightly more experienced) Thomas Robinson-(nearly full strength) Paul George-Miles/Stuckey, unless CJ McCollum is wayyy better than he is now-Ray McCallum. Plus maybe a good rookie cause your trade made us suck.
That second lineup sucks. Paul George will have to take 25 shots a game, many of them bad, and we have no defensive anchor anywhere near Roy HIbbert. Our future is basically George, and maybe McCollum if he ends up improving a lot. Robinson will likely never be more than a solid starter, if that. McCallum’s ceiling is a very low-end starting point guard.
The first lineup is a 5 seed in the East at the very least.
If Larry Bird blows everything up, he’s not going to walk away with just McCollum, Robinson, McCallum, and Leonard to support Paul George. That’s a garbage return for two very good players and he’s a better GM than that.
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- Posted on: Sat, 08/09/2014 - 8:28pm #944225
  
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  What do you think they are worth then?
  I didn’t say it wouldn’t involve risk. I think CJ McCollum will be far better than George Hill and could be a great option as PG or SG as Indiana goes forward. Ideally at PG as a poor mans Lillard. McCallum would be a great back-up at PG at play with McCollum in spurts.
  It will potentially mean a season of developing chemistry as well and with regards to that a rather high draft pick in a deep draft, Indiana would have a realistic shot at Okafor or Towns as their future big man to replace Hibbert.
  Finally with these moves there is cap room and that is always important, if PG proves healthy and they get another young franchise type guy they would have money to attract a few good players to put around them.
  PG. McCollum SG. 3/D player SF. George PF. Robinson C. Okafor/Towns then $ on depth.
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- Posted on: Sat, 08/09/2014 - 8:28pm #944090
  
  festar35
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  What do you think they are worth then?
  I didn’t say it wouldn’t involve risk. I think CJ McCollum will be far better than George Hill and could be a great option as PG or SG as Indiana goes forward. Ideally at PG as a poor mans Lillard. McCallum would be a great back-up at PG at play with McCollum in spurts.
  It will potentially mean a season of developing chemistry as well and with regards to that a rather high draft pick in a deep draft, Indiana would have a realistic shot at Okafor or Towns as their future big man to replace Hibbert.
  Finally with these moves there is cap room and that is always important, if PG proves healthy and they get another young franchise type guy they would have money to attract a few good players to put around them.
  PG. McCollum SG. 3/D player SF. George PF. Robinson C. Okafor/Towns then $ on depth.
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- Posted on: Sat, 08/09/2014 - 9:23pm #944229
  
  Hale
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  Way too many flaws here. First, George Hill makes like 8 million a year to be a below average starter. Let’s be real, the Pacers aren’t going anywhere anytime soon unless they luck out and get a top 3 pick next season who can play contribute from day one. Even then are they going through a healthy Chicago or Cleveland? Hell no. I doubt they could even get past Washington or Toronto in two years. So what’s the difference between Hill and some other bad player who costs 1/10 as much and still has potential to get better?
  At this point, Hibbert isn’t in the conversation for a top five center in the league. He was arguably there until he had one of the biggest drop-offs in the history of the sport and played like a bottom five center for over half the season. He’s also making an absurd $15 million next season.
  I’m not going to pretend that I like the Pacers. I don’t. They went from one of the most likable teams in the NBA two seasons ago to arguably the most unlikable last season. They bought into their own hype and forgot their team indentity. They had no team chemistry and just embarrassed themselves at the end of the year. I’m not even saying the trades listed are good but Hibbert and Hill are pretty big detriments to the team right now. No one knows if Hibbert is ever going to become a consistently good center again and even if he does he’s still on a massive contract. Hill is garbage and also making a ton.
  If the Pacers can find a way to move those two guys for good pieces, why not do it? By the time George is able to go, West is probably going to be on his last leg anyway. Why not rebuild when you have a superstar who’s 24 and given his injury are now in a perfect position to lock up a good pick and cut a lot of cap? I just don’t see the logic in hoping your mentally weak center can return to an all star caliber player, and keep overpaying a liability at PG in the hopes of achieving a top five seed (your words) in two years. I’d much rather find a way to dump roughly $23 million in cap and get back some pieces, trade West to a contender for more assets and lock up a top five pick next season. Then you have a returning superstar still well under 30 with a hell of a lot of cap and assets to work with. The Pacers had an opening but that window is now closed. They should realize that.
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- Posted on: Sat, 08/09/2014 - 9:23pm #944094
  
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  Way too many flaws here. First, George Hill makes like 8 million a year to be a below average starter. Let’s be real, the Pacers aren’t going anywhere anytime soon unless they luck out and get a top 3 pick next season who can play contribute from day one. Even then are they going through a healthy Chicago or Cleveland? Hell no. I doubt they could even get past Washington or Toronto in two years. So what’s the difference between Hill and some other bad player who costs 1/10 as much and still has potential to get better?
  At this point, Hibbert isn’t in the conversation for a top five center in the league. He was arguably there until he had one of the biggest drop-offs in the history of the sport and played like a bottom five center for over half the season. He’s also making an absurd $15 million next season.
  I’m not going to pretend that I like the Pacers. I don’t. They went from one of the most likable teams in the NBA two seasons ago to arguably the most unlikable last season. They bought into their own hype and forgot their team indentity. They had no team chemistry and just embarrassed themselves at the end of the year. I’m not even saying the trades listed are good but Hibbert and Hill are pretty big detriments to the team right now. No one knows if Hibbert is ever going to become a consistently good center again and even if he does he’s still on a massive contract. Hill is garbage and also making a ton.
  If the Pacers can find a way to move those two guys for good pieces, why not do it? By the time George is able to go, West is probably going to be on his last leg anyway. Why not rebuild when you have a superstar who’s 24 and given his injury are now in a perfect position to lock up a good pick and cut a lot of cap? I just don’t see the logic in hoping your mentally weak center can return to an all star caliber player, and keep overpaying a liability at PG in the hopes of achieving a top five seed (your words) in two years. I’d much rather find a way to dump roughly $23 million in cap and get back some pieces, trade West to a contender for more assets and lock up a top five pick next season. Then you have a returning superstar still well under 30 with a hell of a lot of cap and assets to work with. The Pacers had an opening but that window is now closed. They should realize that.
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