Stephen A. Smith

So he should be suspended. That is disgusting what he said. Women do not need to tippy toe around men and watch what they say or act because a men might be violent. He sounded very sincere, which really shows the level of ignorance he and a lot of me have towards this issue. To think women need to stop provoking men is such an ancient idea. you would think we would have gone past this.

Women and men should not say or do horrible things because it is immoral and the wrong thing to do, and do the right things because it makes you feel like a good person, not because you are scared a men will assault you anyway.

So he should be suspended. That is disgusting what he said. Women do not need to tippy toe around men and watch what they say or act because a men might be violent. He sounded very sincere, which really shows the level of ignorance he and a lot of me have towards this issue. To think women need to stop provoking men is such an ancient idea. you would think we would have gone past this.

Women and men should not say or do horrible things because it is immoral and the wrong thing to do, and do the right things because it makes you feel like a good person, not because you are scared a men will assault you anyway.

 Yeah, that’s pretty ignorant.  Sounds along the lines of women shouldn’t dress so sexy so they aren’t inviting guys to rape them.  Shame on you Stephen A.

 Yeah, that’s pretty ignorant.  Sounds along the lines of women shouldn’t dress so sexy so they aren’t inviting guys to rape them.  Shame on you Stephen A.

There’s nothing wrong with what Stephen A. Smith said.

There’s nothing wrong with what Stephen A. Smith said.

 I think he should have been suspended a month or 2 minimum, but preferably fired. I was glad michelle beadle called him out on it. You can’t say women in short tight dresses are inviting men to rape them and then try to argue with a female employee how you were right. I think him not realizing the mistake right away is why I thought he should have been fired or at a minimum a month or 2 suspension. If he had came clean right away this would have been more acceptable. It really shows how crappy espn has gotten over the past few years. They will do anything to draw attention to themselves or create stories to get publicity. Now PTI is one of the only shows I can count on, on espn to not be filled with junk like first take is. Then their writers have started to go down hill. Zach Lowe and a few other guys on grantland are carrying their NBA coverage online.

 I think he should have been suspended a month or 2 minimum, but preferably fired. I was glad michelle beadle called him out on it. You can’t say women in short tight dresses are inviting men to rape them and then try to argue with a female employee how you were right. I think him not realizing the mistake right away is why I thought he should have been fired or at a minimum a month or 2 suspension. If he had came clean right away this would have been more acceptable. It really shows how crappy espn has gotten over the past few years. They will do anything to draw attention to themselves or create stories to get publicity. Now PTI is one of the only shows I can count on, on espn to not be filled with junk like first take is. Then their writers have started to go down hill. Zach Lowe and a few other guys on grantland are carrying their NBA coverage online.

"By not provoking, Smith is saying that a woman shouldn’t hit or pick fights with a man."

Smith did not say that a man has a right to defend himself against a woman hitting him. Maybe that’s what he meant, but it’s not what he said. Not sure if he’s since made any attempt to clarify how exactly he defines "provoking", but it was at the very least a stupid choice of words.

What defines "picking a fight with a man"? Being annoying? Being hostile? Being disobedient? Being violent? You leave something like that open, and people may take it in a different way than you do.

"By not provoking, Smith is saying that a woman shouldn’t hit or pick fights with a man."

Smith did not say that a man has a right to defend himself against a woman hitting him. Maybe that’s what he meant, but it’s not what he said. Not sure if he’s since made any attempt to clarify how exactly he defines "provoking", but it was at the very least a stupid choice of words.

What defines "picking a fight with a man"? Being annoying? Being hostile? Being disobedient? Being violent? You leave something like that open, and people may take it in a different way than you do.

I think a man beating a woman is one of the most detestable things. I also agree with nick 5354 that women should not have to tip-toe around abusive boyfriends/husbands. There is a lot of abuse out there right now, and much of it is unprovoked, childish, angry boys in men’s bodies who need to feel big and the only way they can assert their dominance is by beating up on women or children. That is sick and sadistic. 

All of that being said, I think Smith’s comments are being misinterpreted. He was not saying that abuse is the victim’s fault. I think what he was trying to get at, in a very awkward and non-pc way, was more about common sense. I think he was saying that he encourages the women in his life to have common sense in the men they choose and how they handle them. Just like it would be stupid for me to make friends with rage-filled idiots and then get in fights with them, women shouldn’t date rage-filled idiots (at all), and they especially shouldn’t expect verbal fights with rage-filled idiots to end well. 

The abuse is still 100% the fault of the abuser. Abusers should be punished, by both the law and any man who hears about it.

That being said, a woman should also have common sense to keep herself out of danger. I know that is easier said than done, with all of the psychological effects that abusers have on their victims. But that is where men in that woman’s life need to tell her the truth, protect her the best they can, and get her out of trouble. I think that is what Smith was trying to say that he tried to do to the women in his life. 

In the politically correct culture in which we live, if certain words or ideas are thrown around, anger forms while ideas and sound bytes are out taken out of context. A mob starts to throw together a very shaky straw man of an argument, which they claim the politically-correct-law-breaker made, and then they burn it to the ground before any explanation can be given. Punishments are dealt out based on how it hurts the reputation of a company or organization, rather than based on a moral or ethical code. 

Don’t get me wrong, I think Stephen A. Smith is an idiot. I almost always disagree with him and the way he makes arguments drives me crazy. But this situation is as much of a commentary on our politically correct culture as it is on Smith’s viewpoints. 

I mean, seriously, we get all up in arms about a freaking commentator who gets paid to talk about sports, but there is not nearly as much rage as there should be towards Ray Rice, or fear for his now-wife, or dissappointment that Goodell only gave him two games. Goodell dished out season-ban for pot, which is now legal in two states in which there are NFL teams! Goodell gave him a punishment porportionate to the media outrage, but you cannot build an ethical code on consequences, or else injustice like this happens. 

Anyway, enough rant. Sorry if you read all of it. 

I think a man beating a woman is one of the most detestable things. I also agree with nick 5354 that women should not have to tip-toe around abusive boyfriends/husbands. There is a lot of abuse out there right now, and much of it is unprovoked, childish, angry boys in men’s bodies who need to feel big and the only way they can assert their dominance is by beating up on women or children. That is sick and sadistic. 

All of that being said, I think Smith’s comments are being misinterpreted. He was not saying that abuse is the victim’s fault. I think what he was trying to get at, in a very awkward and non-pc way, was more about common sense. I think he was saying that he encourages the women in his life to have common sense in the men they choose and how they handle them. Just like it would be stupid for me to make friends with rage-filled idiots and then get in fights with them, women shouldn’t date rage-filled idiots (at all), and they especially shouldn’t expect verbal fights with rage-filled idiots to end well. 

The abuse is still 100% the fault of the abuser. Abusers should be punished, by both the law and any man who hears about it.

That being said, a woman should also have common sense to keep herself out of danger. I know that is easier said than done, with all of the psychological effects that abusers have on their victims. But that is where men in that woman’s life need to tell her the truth, protect her the best they can, and get her out of trouble. I think that is what Smith was trying to say that he tried to do to the women in his life. 

In the politically correct culture in which we live, if certain words or ideas are thrown around, anger forms while ideas and sound bytes are out taken out of context. A mob starts to throw together a very shaky straw man of an argument, which they claim the politically-correct-law-breaker made, and then they burn it to the ground before any explanation can be given. Punishments are dealt out based on how it hurts the reputation of a company or organization, rather than based on a moral or ethical code. 

Don’t get me wrong, I think Stephen A. Smith is an idiot. I almost always disagree with him and the way he makes arguments drives me crazy. But this situation is as much of a commentary on our politically correct culture as it is on Smith’s viewpoints. 

I mean, seriously, we get all up in arms about a freaking commentator who gets paid to talk about sports, but there is not nearly as much rage as there should be towards Ray Rice, or fear for his now-wife, or dissappointment that Goodell only gave him two games. Goodell dished out season-ban for pot, which is now legal in two states in which there are NFL teams! Goodell gave him a punishment porportionate to the media outrage, but you cannot build an ethical code on consequences, or else injustice like this happens. 

Anyway, enough rant. Sorry if you read all of it. 

Stephen A. Smith has definitely done a better job throughout his career on First Take with framing his argument, that’s for sure. Here he knew he was treading into dangerous waters, and then his emotions kicked in, which only exacerbated the problem. His point just didn’t hit home.

But it seemed to me like he was just trying to protect women. I honestly believe that. He started his argument by saying that there is no place for the abuse of women, and that men should be held responsible for their actions by the law. He then tried to say that women should do their best to recognize these violent types of men and stay away from them.

But instead, it blew up in his face. Michelle Beadle (who I used to be in love with until I followed her on twitter and realized she’s difficult to say the least #unfollow) seemed to carry the torch, making the twitter comment about how she was thinking about wearing a mini-skirt, but decided against it because she didn’t want to be physically abused.

Beadle’s comment was pointed and valid, making it clear that women should not have to change their choices to appease the club swinging, abusive troglodytes that make up a portion of the male population. She’s absolutely right. And obviously a lot of members of the media echoed her sentiment.

But I don’t think Stephen A. was going there at all. Once again, to me, it seemed like he was just looking out for all the women he loves in his life, imploring them to recognize these types of men and to stay away from them. His sentiment isn’t “don’t wear a mini-skirt” it’s “don’t wear a mini-skirt after midnight in a strange place.”

He’s like a concerned Dad who wants to interrogate the boyfriend before the date.

Maybe it’s not his place in the context of modern society to be that guy, but I do believe that his heart was in the right place, and he wasn’t coming from a place of sexism, but of one of care and concern.

It’s never the woman’s fault for getting violated, but we do live in a crazy world full of chaos, and women need to be careful with their choices, because not every guy is a gentleman. Women should feel safe. Everyone should feel safe. But the world is not always so comfortable.

Stephen A. Smith has definitely done a better job throughout his career on First Take with framing his argument, that’s for sure. Here he knew he was treading into dangerous waters, and then his emotions kicked in, which only exacerbated the problem. His point just didn’t hit home.

But it seemed to me like he was just trying to protect women. I honestly believe that. He started his argument by saying that there is no place for the abuse of women, and that men should be held responsible for their actions by the law. He then tried to say that women should do their best to recognize these violent types of men and stay away from them.

But instead, it blew up in his face. Michelle Beadle (who I used to be in love with until I followed her on twitter and realized she’s difficult to say the least #unfollow) seemed to carry the torch, making the twitter comment about how she was thinking about wearing a mini-skirt, but decided against it because she didn’t want to be physically abused.

Beadle’s comment was pointed and valid, making it clear that women should not have to change their choices to appease the club swinging, abusive troglodytes that make up a portion of the male population. She’s absolutely right. And obviously a lot of members of the media echoed her sentiment.

But I don’t think Stephen A. was going there at all. Once again, to me, it seemed like he was just looking out for all the women he loves in his life, imploring them to recognize these types of men and to stay away from them. His sentiment isn’t “don’t wear a mini-skirt” it’s “don’t wear a mini-skirt after midnight in a strange place.”

He’s like a concerned Dad who wants to interrogate the boyfriend before the date.

Maybe it’s not his place in the context of modern society to be that guy, but I do believe that his heart was in the right place, and he wasn’t coming from a place of sexism, but of one of care and concern.

It’s never the woman’s fault for getting violated, but we do live in a crazy world full of chaos, and women need to be careful with their choices, because not every guy is a gentleman. Women should feel safe. Everyone should feel safe. But the world is not always so comfortable.

 The bottom line is…by saying you shouldn’t provoke, he is saying the women has some kind of responsibility to uphold to if they don’t want to be beat.

I truly believe he didn’t mean that its ok to hit women, but when this topic comes up his response was based around why women need to understand how to not provoke a man? Even if this women hit Rice repeatedly, he’s a 220 pound + NFL running back. The fact he can’t defend himself without knocking the women out is completely far fetched to me, he can easily defuse the situation as opposed to retaliating. 

A few more thoughts on this…

The way the Ravens are defending Rice’s every move, "He’s a great guy" and all that bs, posting stuff on their website about how great he is, etc, is absolutely disgusting. Beyond the fact he was awful last year, and cutting him outright wouldn’t have hindered the team in my opinion, the way they have been so adiment this is a "one time thing" and he’s the greatest thing ever is really sad. Maybe his wife should apologize a few more times.

Equally disgusting, is the twitter hate Michelle Beadle is getting for speaking her mind APPROPRIATELY. Stephen A completely deserved what Beadle said, and what she said is not controversial what so ever, but all of the illiterate fools who bow down to Smith’s opinions apparently have been downright nasty to her, and its really sad this is how far off society still is.

And finally, this really comes back to how stupid First Take is. These manufactured debates, screaming and shouting of ridiculous things, LeBron sucks but Tebow is great, I mean it is awful for any sensible sports fans and at this point has become unwatchable. Bayless’ constant will to harp on the same tired topics about LeBron riding a bike and choosing to wear 23 again and all this symbolic bullsh*t he says is just awful. And Stephen A is not innocent at all for what he said, but the childish atmosphere that show creates definitely had something to do with how it got to this point. 

 The bottom line is…by saying you shouldn’t provoke, he is saying the women has some kind of responsibility to uphold to if they don’t want to be beat.

I truly believe he didn’t mean that its ok to hit women, but when this topic comes up his response was based around why women need to understand how to not provoke a man? Even if this women hit Rice repeatedly, he’s a 220 pound + NFL running back. The fact he can’t defend himself without knocking the women out is completely far fetched to me, he can easily defuse the situation as opposed to retaliating. 

A few more thoughts on this…

The way the Ravens are defending Rice’s every move, "He’s a great guy" and all that bs, posting stuff on their website about how great he is, etc, is absolutely disgusting. Beyond the fact he was awful last year, and cutting him outright wouldn’t have hindered the team in my opinion, the way they have been so adiment this is a "one time thing" and he’s the greatest thing ever is really sad. Maybe his wife should apologize a few more times.

Equally disgusting, is the twitter hate Michelle Beadle is getting for speaking her mind APPROPRIATELY. Stephen A completely deserved what Beadle said, and what she said is not controversial what so ever, but all of the illiterate fools who bow down to Smith’s opinions apparently have been downright nasty to her, and its really sad this is how far off society still is.

And finally, this really comes back to how stupid First Take is. These manufactured debates, screaming and shouting of ridiculous things, LeBron sucks but Tebow is great, I mean it is awful for any sensible sports fans and at this point has become unwatchable. Bayless’ constant will to harp on the same tired topics about LeBron riding a bike and choosing to wear 23 again and all this symbolic bullsh*t he says is just awful. And Stephen A is not innocent at all for what he said, but the childish atmosphere that show creates definitely had something to do with how it got to this point. 

• Solange Knowles vs Shawn Carter
• Ray Rice vs Janay Palmer

I’ll wait on a response…

• Solange Knowles vs Shawn Carter
• Ray Rice vs Janay Palmer

I’ll wait on a response…

 If he is referring to just things she said, then he is on crack. If he is referring to her punching or hitting, then he has a slight point. Still doesnt excuse punching her, but that was probably a one hit KO. It is always a bad idea to hit or attack someone who can knock you out in one punch. The whole short dress to rape arguement holds water if we are talking about words. If she hit him first, then it is more like she was laying in his bed naked than simply wearing a short skirt…

 If he is referring to just things she said, then he is on crack. If he is referring to her punching or hitting, then he has a slight point. Still doesnt excuse punching her, but that was probably a one hit KO. It is always a bad idea to hit or attack someone who can knock you out in one punch. The whole short dress to rape arguement holds water if we are talking about words. If she hit him first, then it is more like she was laying in his bed naked than simply wearing a short skirt…

I have no issue with him being suspended. He certainly didn’t clarify what he meant by “don’t provoke”. It leaves a gray area where some, such as beadle, can interpret it as the women is partly at fault for being beat. He didn’t refer exactly to not hitting the guy or not dating certain guys. He just said don’t provoke guys into beating them. Now I don’t hold any grudge against smith over it. I’m sure he meant well. Just didn’t clarify himself well enough.

I have no issue with him being suspended. He certainly didn’t clarify what he meant by “don’t provoke”. It leaves a gray area where some, such as beadle, can interpret it as the women is partly at fault for being beat. He didn’t refer exactly to not hitting the guy or not dating certain guys. He just said don’t provoke guys into beating them. Now I don’t hold any grudge against smith over it. I’m sure he meant well. Just didn’t clarify himself well enough.

It’s called implied context. Stephen a Smith is referring to Ray Rice defending himself from a woman that provoked him by ASSAULTING him.

Should Smith have to word for word clarify what he means when it’s obviously in the context of Ray Rice defending himself? It p-i-s-s-e-s me off when people need absolutely everything explained for them to understand such an easy point. Smith should not have been suspended. It’s some B-S

It’s called implied context. Stephen a Smith is referring to Ray Rice defending himself from a woman that provoked him by ASSAULTING him.

Should Smith have to word for word clarify what he means when it’s obviously in the context of Ray Rice defending himself? It p-i-s-s-e-s me off when people need absolutely everything explained for them to understand such an easy point. Smith should not have been suspended. It’s some B-S

 He should have said there’s a double standard and mentioned women hitting men and not having any consequences. There are so many women who hit men and approach a man as if there another man ready to fist fight and soon as the man reacts he is an abuser. While I do not agree with hitting women at all because I feel he could have just pinned her down and ended it, it is annoying that solange hits on jazz and it’s a joke and Ray rice responds after being hit a couple times and he is an abuser. If you push someone’s buttons for to long your gonna snap that is why when I meet a girl who initiates drama I break up with them way when they make me angry to the point were hitting them crosses my mind.

 He should have said there’s a double standard and mentioned women hitting men and not having any consequences. There are so many women who hit men and approach a man as if there another man ready to fist fight and soon as the man reacts he is an abuser. While I do not agree with hitting women at all because I feel he could have just pinned her down and ended it, it is annoying that solange hits on jazz and it’s a joke and Ray rice responds after being hit a couple times and he is an abuser. If you push someone’s buttons for to long your gonna snap that is why when I meet a girl who initiates drama I break up with them way when they make me angry to the point were hitting them crosses my mind.

I expected this to be a really big, bold outrageous statement. It wasn’t.

To be clear, I am not a fan of Steven A. Smith. I think he and Flip are both of middling intelligence and are more in the business of shock than analysis and/or reporting. In general, I find both of these guys to be annoying and rarely worth my time. However, I think what he’s saying here is getting seriously overblown. 

To be clear: Only a moron would say that a woman is responsible for a beating because she provoked a man. We can all agree with that. That is an idiotic misplacement of responsibility that is similar to the absurd concept that a woman is asking to be raped when she dresses sexy, as TarHeelRaven said above. However, that is not what Smith is saying here. He said any abuser is 100% responsible for his actions and is a felon. He also said we–more reasonable types–should all focus on trying not to provoke people that may have a tendency to get violent. How is that a bad thing to say? Certainly, we should be aware that unstable people exist and that provoking them could result in a bad outcome for me/you/them. I think Smith is getting credited with more offensive ideas than I just heard.

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Unrelated Story: I was at the grocery store picking up ice cream at 1 am Sunday morning (I live in Vegas). As I walked out of the store I heard tires screech and I saw a guy (driver) reach across and open the passenger side door of his truck, shove a woman out the door and speed forward about 10 meters. She fell on the asphalt and started screaming. I think he may have ran over her foot or leg, but I was about 100 meters away when it happened and couldn’t see that clearly. I immediately started sprinting toward the girl to help her, dialing 9-11 as I ran.

In my younger days I would have simply rushed the guy and attacked him since he stopped and started convincing her to get back in the truck. (In fact, I did exactly that on one occassion at 20.)However, this time I thought about the fact that I had kids and a wife at home that needed me to get home alive and that for all I knew, the guy had a weapon and was itching to use it. Instead of attacking the guy, I directed my attention at the girl to help and took a defensive posture. I tried to convince the girl to not go with him, but attempted to avoid provoking additional violence.

In the end, the girl got back in the car with the abuser and they drove away. I reported it to the police. They said they’d track him down. I doubt they did/will.

Please opine: Am I a coward or did I make the right call?

I expected this to be a really big, bold outrageous statement. It wasn’t.

To be clear, I am not a fan of Steven A. Smith. I think he and Flip are both of middling intelligence and are more in the business of shock than analysis and/or reporting. In general, I find both of these guys to be annoying and rarely worth my time. However, I think what he’s saying here is getting seriously overblown. 

To be clear: Only a moron would say that a woman is responsible for a beating because she provoked a man. We can all agree with that. That is an idiotic misplacement of responsibility that is similar to the absurd concept that a woman is asking to be raped when she dresses sexy, as TarHeelRaven said above. However, that is not what Smith is saying here. He said any abuser is 100% responsible for his actions and is a felon. He also said we–more reasonable types–should all focus on trying not to provoke people that may have a tendency to get violent. How is that a bad thing to say? Certainly, we should be aware that unstable people exist and that provoking them could result in a bad outcome for me/you/them. I think Smith is getting credited with more offensive ideas than I just heard.

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Unrelated Story: I was at the grocery store picking up ice cream at 1 am Sunday morning (I live in Vegas). As I walked out of the store I heard tires screech and I saw a guy (driver) reach across and open the passenger side door of his truck, shove a woman out the door and speed forward about 10 meters. She fell on the asphalt and started screaming. I think he may have ran over her foot or leg, but I was about 100 meters away when it happened and couldn’t see that clearly. I immediately started sprinting toward the girl to help her, dialing 9-11 as I ran.

In my younger days I would have simply rushed the guy and attacked him since he stopped and started convincing her to get back in the truck. (In fact, I did exactly that on one occassion at 20.)However, this time I thought about the fact that I had kids and a wife at home that needed me to get home alive and that for all I knew, the guy had a weapon and was itching to use it. Instead of attacking the guy, I directed my attention at the girl to help and took a defensive posture. I tried to convince the girl to not go with him, but attempted to avoid provoking additional violence.

In the end, the girl got back in the car with the abuser and they drove away. I reported it to the police. They said they’d track him down. I doubt they did/will.

Please opine: Am I a coward or did I make the right call?

I don’t think Smith had any ill intent with where he was going. Anyone that has heard him long enough should be able to tell that. I think he prefaced everything well enough that you don’t have to re-interpret everything he laid out. He basically said guys keep your hands off women and women don’t go provoking men. This can be reversed, but the same thinking applies. I have actually seen a decent amount of women that won’t say or do anything to another woman, but they will go after guys just because they don’t think they will get hit. Kind of similiar to how a lot of bullies attack the kids that they know won’t fight or challenge them. It has nothing to do with gender and all to do with common sense and respect towards others. It is nothing different if I see one of you. If I start hitting you, spit on you, call you names and then should I not expect you to do anything regardless of gender? Most people know about keeping your hands to yourself. Kind of a basic rule of life for most of us.

Everyone should relax and not overreact. I think simple advice that applies to everyone is that you should not provoke anyone. Let’s be real. Nothing good ever comes out of provoking. I don’t care if you are talking about provoking another person, country,animal, etc. There are consequences to your actions. So if you do something don’t be surprised of the results whether just or unjust.

I don’t think Smith had any ill intent with where he was going. Anyone that has heard him long enough should be able to tell that. I think he prefaced everything well enough that you don’t have to re-interpret everything he laid out. He basically said guys keep your hands off women and women don’t go provoking men. This can be reversed, but the same thinking applies. I have actually seen a decent amount of women that won’t say or do anything to another woman, but they will go after guys just because they don’t think they will get hit. Kind of similiar to how a lot of bullies attack the kids that they know won’t fight or challenge them. It has nothing to do with gender and all to do with common sense and respect towards others. It is nothing different if I see one of you. If I start hitting you, spit on you, call you names and then should I not expect you to do anything regardless of gender? Most people know about keeping your hands to yourself. Kind of a basic rule of life for most of us.

Everyone should relax and not overreact. I think simple advice that applies to everyone is that you should not provoke anyone. Let’s be real. Nothing good ever comes out of provoking. I don’t care if you are talking about provoking another person, country,animal, etc. There are consequences to your actions. So if you do something don’t be surprised of the results whether just or unjust.

 Let’s also not forget Stephen A’s history of tweeting about women. He defended Floyd Mayweather for a domestic complaint against him. 

Again, I don’t think what he said in this case was that extreme, but I think also painting it as he was totally misunderstood and this is in no way his opinion on the topic is also not right. 

 Let’s also not forget Stephen A’s history of tweeting about women. He defended Floyd Mayweather for a domestic complaint against him. 

Again, I don’t think what he said in this case was that extreme, but I think also painting it as he was totally misunderstood and this is in no way his opinion on the topic is also not right. 

 Personally, I think Stephen A. Smith is annoying and not well-spoken and tries to make a living off of hype and is only a slight improvement over SKip Bayless in general.  And that, I believe, is something most of us can agree on.

 Personally, I think Stephen A. Smith is annoying and not well-spoken and tries to make a living off of hype and is only a slight improvement over SKip Bayless in general.  And that, I believe, is something most of us can agree on.

Stephen A is a turd and a clown. I do wonder at times how the man has a job. What he said was ridiculous and he is being punished for it. I couldn’t stand him before he said what he said on Friday. I actually like Skip more than Smith…not saying I like skip…just the lesser of two ridiculous evils.

I do however agree with the poster who said he didn’t think Smith really believed what he was saying. I think he was trying to say something completely different and ended up effing up big time.

On an semi related note…how does Smith not forget what he’s talking about sometimes, he goes on and on, sometimes I wouldn’t be surprised if he talked for so long about something that he actually forgot what he was talking about in the first place. He would be great for a governmental filibuster.

Stephen A is a turd and a clown. I do wonder at times how the man has a job. What he said was ridiculous and he is being punished for it. I couldn’t stand him before he said what he said on Friday. I actually like Skip more than Smith…not saying I like skip…just the lesser of two ridiculous evils.

I do however agree with the poster who said he didn’t think Smith really believed what he was saying. I think he was trying to say something completely different and ended up effing up big time.

On an semi related note…how does Smith not forget what he’s talking about sometimes, he goes on and on, sometimes I wouldn’t be surprised if he talked for so long about something that he actually forgot what he was talking about in the first place. He would be great for a governmental filibuster.

I think Stephen had the best intentions, he just did not relay them very well. The way he said it was very broad and leaves the mind to wonder, naturally humans will fill in that broad spectrum with their own ideas and *assume* what they think he meant.

As a woman you have to always be on your guard, unfortunately. It is necessary to watch what you wear, and how you act in certain circumstances. It’s always wise, if not recommended, to travel with friends. Walking down the street by yourself at 2AM is not a good idea. Attending a party/club in extremely provocative attire and getting drunk off your arse is also not a good idea. I think these are some of the examples he was trying to convey.

A man should never hit a woman, but a woman should never hit a man either. Everyone has a right to defend themselves regardless of gender, so I’m not against a man defending himself against a female attacker, however at the same time the man should realize he’s probably 3x stronger than she is and not get carried away.

It’s all grey area stuff. Everyone has their own opinions. The sad reality of the world is that women do need to be on their guard at all times, it shouldn’t be that way but it is. Harassment is the main issue that we face on literally a daily basis; whether online, at work, in public, etc. Obviously rape is on a whole other level, but that chance is always there, there are a lot of bad people and it’s best to at least try and avoid bad people if possible. Again, I think this was what he was trying to get across, to watch your surroundings and adapt to them.

I think Stephen had the best intentions, he just did not relay them very well. The way he said it was very broad and leaves the mind to wonder, naturally humans will fill in that broad spectrum with their own ideas and *assume* what they think he meant.

As a woman you have to always be on your guard, unfortunately. It is necessary to watch what you wear, and how you act in certain circumstances. It’s always wise, if not recommended, to travel with friends. Walking down the street by yourself at 2AM is not a good idea. Attending a party/club in extremely provocative attire and getting drunk off your arse is also not a good idea. I think these are some of the examples he was trying to convey.

A man should never hit a woman, but a woman should never hit a man either. Everyone has a right to defend themselves regardless of gender, so I’m not against a man defending himself against a female attacker, however at the same time the man should realize he’s probably 3x stronger than she is and not get carried away.

It’s all grey area stuff. Everyone has their own opinions. The sad reality of the world is that women do need to be on their guard at all times, it shouldn’t be that way but it is. Harassment is the main issue that we face on literally a daily basis; whether online, at work, in public, etc. Obviously rape is on a whole other level, but that chance is always there, there are a lot of bad people and it’s best to at least try and avoid bad people if possible. Again, I think this was what he was trying to get across, to watch your surroundings and adapt to them.

 I didn’t see in the clip above where he talks about a mini skirt or sexual assault. I thought he was talking about domestic abuse. Maybe i missed it

 I didn’t see in the clip above where he talks about a mini skirt or sexual assault. I thought he was talking about domestic abuse. Maybe i missed it

An interesting thing that I don’t think a lot of people realize is that there are a lot of couples that have violent relationships. When I say that I mean in the sense that both parties are violent/abusive towards each other. By no means does that make violence acceptable, but I think it is something that doesn’t get discussed, just like you rarely ever see people discussing women that abuse men.

I have a friend that works at a domestic violence shelter. She tells me some of the craziest stories and how some of these husbands, boyfriends, etc treat the women. I have no doubt the majority of what she is hearing is true. The other part of that is that some of these same women try to put some of the other women in the shelter through the same stuff by bullying and being aggressive. She has told me in many of these same cases it later comes out that the women are doing a lot of the violent behavior to the men. It just ends up being a cycle and both parties taking turn dishing out the abuse.

An interesting thing that I don’t think a lot of people realize is that there are a lot of couples that have violent relationships. When I say that I mean in the sense that both parties are violent/abusive towards each other. By no means does that make violence acceptable, but I think it is something that doesn’t get discussed, just like you rarely ever see people discussing women that abuse men.

I have a friend that works at a domestic violence shelter. She tells me some of the craziest stories and how some of these husbands, boyfriends, etc treat the women. I have no doubt the majority of what she is hearing is true. The other part of that is that some of these same women try to put some of the other women in the shelter through the same stuff by bullying and being aggressive. She has told me in many of these same cases it later comes out that the women are doing a lot of the violent behavior to the men. It just ends up being a cycle and both parties taking turn dishing out the abuse.

 I really don’t see anything wrong with what he said.  Let me start by saying that men abusing women is bad on all levels.  There is no place for it on this on planet.  However, he is right, a woman must not provoke a man to abuse either.  Why is it a double standard.  A woman can abuse a man too.

 I really don’t see anything wrong with what he said.  Let me start by saying that men abusing women is bad on all levels.  There is no place for it on this on planet.  However, he is right, a woman must not provoke a man to abuse either.  Why is it a double standard.  A woman can abuse a man too.

 if you have to tip-toe around your partner you are with the wrong person regardless of whether you’re male or female. I don’t care if Rice’s fiancée hit him first, he’s very capable of restraining her without hitting her. The suspension should have been more like 6 games IMO.

 if you have to tip-toe around your partner you are with the wrong person regardless of whether you’re male or female. I don’t care if Rice’s fiancée hit him first, he’s very capable of restraining her without hitting her. The suspension should have been more like 6 games IMO.

 or strip clubs nobody would be up in arms. So he can’t say women or anybody for that matter should not provoke or purposely agitate someone, but a hard working person should have to not go to legal places because it might be something that could happen negative there. 

 or strip clubs nobody would be up in arms. So he can’t say women or anybody for that matter should not provoke or purposely agitate someone, but a hard working person should have to not go to legal places because it might be something that could happen negative there. 

I think the only thing to take from all this is….”Don’t hit women if you’re rich/famous because you’re going to be suspended 2 games aka 2 weeks, and definitely never speak out about any thing relating to Women/Gays/Religion/Blacks/Jews…You will ridiculed and called a “sexist/facist/Yada Yada yada…

I have 3 daughters before anyone takes what I say as Male Protectionism

I’d straight up murder a Man or Woman if they hurt my children, but I will not act as if they live in some perfect world where every man is Prince Charming, I also will not allow them to grow up living in fear of me or any other Man/Woman in society…Everything is not Black and White though, a victim is a victim.

Ray Rice should have been suspended the entire season if smoking weed leads to a full season suspension, Roger Gooddell and The Ravens should be suspended as well, there should be backlash directed at the Institution that promotes violence behavior, I don’t think it’s shocking to see guys like Ray Rice, Ray Caruth and Aaron Hernandez in the position they find themselves in, The NFL promotes and endorses Violence and most of us ignore it…

I think the only thing to take from all this is….”Don’t hit women if you’re rich/famous because you’re going to be suspended 2 games aka 2 weeks, and definitely never speak out about any thing relating to Women/Gays/Religion/Blacks/Jews…You will ridiculed and called a “sexist/facist/Yada Yada yada…

I have 3 daughters before anyone takes what I say as Male Protectionism

I’d straight up murder a Man or Woman if they hurt my children, but I will not act as if they live in some perfect world where every man is Prince Charming, I also will not allow them to grow up living in fear of me or any other Man/Woman in society…Everything is not Black and White though, a victim is a victim.

Ray Rice should have been suspended the entire season if smoking weed leads to a full season suspension, Roger Gooddell and The Ravens should be suspended as well, there should be backlash directed at the Institution that promotes violence behavior, I don’t think it’s shocking to see guys like Ray Rice, Ray Caruth and Aaron Hernandez in the position they find themselves in, The NFL promotes and endorses Violence and most of us ignore it…