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- Posted on: Fri, 07/18/2014 - 12:38pm #57444

Ghost01ParticipantI know I have bias in me. I know I have optimism about the Bulls this season that others may not. But Grantland’s Andrew Sharp, who I have never specifically read previously, wrote one of the most innacurate, lazy, and downright stupid reviews of thier offseason I have ever read. Please Bill, hand all of your basketball matters over to Zach Lowe and stop having this guy put his thought on the internet for money. Here’s my response to his non sense:
"Pau Gasol isn’t the same player he was on offense three years ago, and on defense he’ll be almost as big a liability as Carlos Boozer. Is he supposed to solve the scoring issues they had in the playoffs? Paying him $22 million for three years isn’t bad, but if he doesn’t really fix the offense, and hurts the defense, even an affordable Pau is just money that the Bulls can’t spend on real solutions."
So basically, he is ignoring the fact the Bulls have had a top 3 defensive in the league with 4 years straight WITH Boozer? Did Noah and Gibson get released? Thibs has always made up for bad individual defenders, and Pau will certainly try more than Boozer did. How does he not fit their offense? That is literally a sentence he just wrote because it sounds good, and proceded to add no information to back up why he thinks that way.
"Chicago is pinning a lot of hope on Doug McDermott, who should be solid right away, and Nikola Mirotic, who’s a total wild card after two years of vague Internet hype and obligatory inclusion in every single Bulls trade rumor."
Vague internet hype? He has been the best player in Europe, plays in a completely visible league that all scouts watch on a regular basis (and is the 2nd best league in the world). Vague internet hype? Why does this guy get paid to write?
"Mirotic sounds great as an idea, but read this scouting report from someone who watched him this year for Real Madrid. (Includes the sentence, “He pretty much made Bostjan Nachbar an NBA All-Star.”) They also punted on using two first-round picks in a loaded draft class. Instead of taking, say, Gary Harris and T.J. Warren, they traded up to take McDermott."
Again, provides no source for the scouting report, and complains about their draft. They liked McDermott. Warren is a wing player who can’t shoot.
"It’d be one thing if the Bulls didn’t see this coming with free agents this summer, but they had a year to try to create max cap space, and with an offer of four years for $73 million, they came up $23 million short of what the Lakers were offering with the actual max. This basically made it impossible for Carmelo to choose Chicago, which also removed the possibility of a sign-and-trade, because the Knicks knew there’s no way Carmelo would ever forfeit $50 million."
Were the Bulls supposed to amnesty the whole team? Just start releasing guys free of any cap penalties?
"So instead Chicago is bringing back Kirk Hinrich, adding Pau, and hoping Joakim Noah stays healthy for a full season again. Everyone’s picking them to jump to the top of the East, which could be setting up for a pretty brutal letdown. A lot is riding on Derrick Rose’s knee, I guess. Hopefully, all this is wrong and the Bulls battle to the death with the Cavs in the East, because that makes the whole league more fun. But for a team that makes $60 million per year in profit, and actually has good players, a good coach, a huge market, great fans … Bulls offseasons really shouldn’t be this depressing. Somehow they always are."
You can’t make free agents sign with you, but apparently Sharp thinks the Bulls should use their $60 million profit as a pitch to sell Carmelo Anthony on…this guy is seriously one of the most uninformed writers I have ever read.
"GRADE: D"
He gave OKC an A+ for signing Anthony Morrow, and the Wizards an A for downgrading Ariza to Pierce.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/18/2014 - 1:01pm #937853

xJumpManxParticipantChicago and Cleveland should be the odds on favorite to come out of the East if Rose can return to form and stay healthy. I just would not bet on Rose at this time. He is so voilent with his stops and starts thats rough on the knees.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/18/2014 - 1:01pm #937723

xJumpManxParticipantChicago and Cleveland should be the odds on favorite to come out of the East if Rose can return to form and stay healthy. I just would not bet on Rose at this time. He is so voilent with his stops and starts thats rough on the knees.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/18/2014 - 1:05pm #937855

TheArtistPaysthePriceParticipantI think the Bulls are the frontrunners for the one seed in the East right now. I think Thibs with a D Rose at 70% say 15 and 6 in 28 minutes a game will lead the Bulls to a 2 seed minimum. I thought Gasol was a great signing also and there is no better passing frontcourt than Noah and Gasol who both are in the top six of big man as far as passing ability. Just imagine if McBuckets and Snell can consistently not done catch and shoot 3’s.
Antony Morrow wouldn’t get you an A if the Thunders D League team picked him up.
Sharp is hit or miss, he is certainly one of the poorer Gantland writers.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/18/2014 - 1:05pm #937725

TheArtistPaysthePriceParticipantI think the Bulls are the frontrunners for the one seed in the East right now. I think Thibs with a D Rose at 70% say 15 and 6 in 28 minutes a game will lead the Bulls to a 2 seed minimum. I thought Gasol was a great signing also and there is no better passing frontcourt than Noah and Gasol who both are in the top six of big man as far as passing ability. Just imagine if McBuckets and Snell can consistently not done catch and shoot 3’s.
Antony Morrow wouldn’t get you an A if the Thunders D League team picked him up.
Sharp is hit or miss, he is certainly one of the poorer Gantland writers.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/18/2014 - 1:35pm #937733

ChewyParticipantI think we should be the favorites in the East. I also think we are an underdog to whoever comes out from the West. Overall, the highlighted part of the article are terrible. I won’t defend those. But I do have concerns:
1. Rose’s health.
2. We have a "creator" whose health is my main concern. God forbid he goes down, are lack of a slashing guard will hinder us even more.
3. We need to rely on ball movement to score (to overcome the lack of shot creators). This takes a dicipline offense and we know Tibs is a defensive guy.
4. We win ugly. We play defense and rebound harder than anyone, but we don’t blow people out because we just can’t score enough. Anytime a superstar goes off for 30+ against us, they have a real shot at winning (whether they are the better team or not).
Detroit has done it with this type of team. I think the Bulls have a chance to join that "defense first champions" group.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/18/2014 - 1:35pm #937863

ChewyParticipantI think we should be the favorites in the East. I also think we are an underdog to whoever comes out from the West. Overall, the highlighted part of the article are terrible. I won’t defend those. But I do have concerns:
1. Rose’s health.
2. We have a "creator" whose health is my main concern. God forbid he goes down, are lack of a slashing guard will hinder us even more.
3. We need to rely on ball movement to score (to overcome the lack of shot creators). This takes a dicipline offense and we know Tibs is a defensive guy.
4. We win ugly. We play defense and rebound harder than anyone, but we don’t blow people out because we just can’t score enough. Anytime a superstar goes off for 30+ against us, they have a real shot at winning (whether they are the better team or not).
Detroit has done it with this type of team. I think the Bulls have a chance to join that "defense first champions" group.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/18/2014 - 1:55pm #937741

Ghost01ParticipantI want to make a few corrections…
First, sorry my grammer was so awful in my OP, I was in a hurry to type because it really got me fired up.
Secondly, he did have a source for the "scouting report" on Mirotic, it was an SB Nation blogger who is a Real Madrid "fan". The point of the article was much more about the turmoil of the team in general this past season, and Mirotic’s attitude. The Nachbar part wasn’t his main point or anything, but it was convenient for Sharp to use as a tool to act like he knows what Mirotic is.
I don’t think the Bulls are locks by any stretch in the East next year. However, saying their offseason was bad because Gasol isn’t going to play defense (He’s replacing a worse defender), because they traded up in the draft, because he thinks Mirotic isn’t any good, and because they make 60 million dollars in profit so they should be have an advantage signing free agents even though it is a capped sport is just lazy writing. And giving them a D, while giving the Wizards an A? Really? I mean its just nonsensical. Think whatever you want on the Bulls, I have no problem with people being pessimistic about Rose’s health or anything like that. But really, Gasol isn’t going to guard? This is THIBS. Nate Rob, Boozer, and Bellinelli were playing together and they still had the best defense in the league. Doesn’t fit their offense? Rose hasn’t played for 2 years, how does he even know what kind of offense they will run? Its just downright lazy out-of-town-stupid.
0- Posted on: Fri, 07/18/2014 - 2:19pm #937751

GrandmamaParticipantFinal correction, *grammar*
But yes, this guy is dead wrong on his assessment of the Bulls off-season.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/18/2014 - 2:19pm #937881

GrandmamaParticipantFinal correction, *grammar*
But yes, this guy is dead wrong on his assessment of the Bulls off-season.
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- Posted on: Fri, 07/18/2014 - 1:55pm #937871

Ghost01ParticipantI want to make a few corrections…
First, sorry my grammer was so awful in my OP, I was in a hurry to type because it really got me fired up.
Secondly, he did have a source for the "scouting report" on Mirotic, it was an SB Nation blogger who is a Real Madrid "fan". The point of the article was much more about the turmoil of the team in general this past season, and Mirotic’s attitude. The Nachbar part wasn’t his main point or anything, but it was convenient for Sharp to use as a tool to act like he knows what Mirotic is.
I don’t think the Bulls are locks by any stretch in the East next year. However, saying their offseason was bad because Gasol isn’t going to play defense (He’s replacing a worse defender), because they traded up in the draft, because he thinks Mirotic isn’t any good, and because they make 60 million dollars in profit so they should be have an advantage signing free agents even though it is a capped sport is just lazy writing. And giving them a D, while giving the Wizards an A? Really? I mean its just nonsensical. Think whatever you want on the Bulls, I have no problem with people being pessimistic about Rose’s health or anything like that. But really, Gasol isn’t going to guard? This is THIBS. Nate Rob, Boozer, and Bellinelli were playing together and they still had the best defense in the league. Doesn’t fit their offense? Rose hasn’t played for 2 years, how does he even know what kind of offense they will run? Its just downright lazy out-of-town-stupid.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/18/2014 - 2:17pm #937749
Magic JordanParticipantI can see where you are coming from, I am not a Bulls fan so I am objective but what he was saying is non sense. First of all, what kind of hack is he… The Suns took Warren with the 14th pick and didn’t the Bulls have the 16th and 19th picks? How were they supposed to target Harris and Warren? Minus a credibility point for him right there.
As a Lakers fan I watched plenty of Pau, and he is by far waaaay better than Boozer. Superior on offense, and better on defense. He might not be the best defender in the world… but he can protect the rim a little bit as he has averaged 2 blocks throughout his career… not to mention he is better on the offensive glass than Boozer… it’s not even close…. in fact it’s so not close that I am still sour about the Lakers "winning" the Boozer amnesty claim.
I am a big Dougie McDermott fan, I got blasted for saying he could average 15 ppg this year and be a top 4 ROY candidate, but now that people have seen him play I am sure more and more people will act like they were on the bandwagon all along…. that’s usually how it goes.
The one part I agree with him is the Mirotic hype… if you have watched him at all aside from his online highlights… he is not going to be what Bulls fans have been anticipating for years. Most Bulls fans were viewing him as the next Dirk and it just simply isn’t going to happen, if those are fans expectations they will be greatly let down. With that being said he will be serviceable, provide some offense off the bench but I think it’s type for Bulls fans to reign in their Mirotic expectations.
Other than that this guy is a complete moron, and obvious homer, but it makes sense considering he is employed by the biggest homer on the internet… Bill Simmons.
0- Posted on: Fri, 07/18/2014 - 3:16pm #937765

Ghost01ParticipantGreat point about Warren…
It’s not even that i but Mirotic’s hype, but again, Ginnas was playing in a B league in an inferior country, and he is pretty good. Mirotic was one of the top players in the best league outside of the NBA in the world.
I don’t want to pencil him in for being Dirk, but I also am not going to instantly dismiss he could eventually be decent.
0- Posted on: Fri, 07/18/2014 - 6:57pm #937826
Magic JordanParticipantYeah, I have watched a lot of footage and game tape of him… have no fear because he is going to be decent immediately. Like I said on another post… Gasol, McD, Mirotic lineup will be making music on the court.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/18/2014 - 6:57pm #937957
Magic JordanParticipantYeah, I have watched a lot of footage and game tape of him… have no fear because he is going to be decent immediately. Like I said on another post… Gasol, McD, Mirotic lineup will be making music on the court.
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- Posted on: Fri, 07/18/2014 - 3:16pm #937894

Ghost01ParticipantGreat point about Warren…
It’s not even that i but Mirotic’s hype, but again, Ginnas was playing in a B league in an inferior country, and he is pretty good. Mirotic was one of the top players in the best league outside of the NBA in the world.
I don’t want to pencil him in for being Dirk, but I also am not going to instantly dismiss he could eventually be decent.
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- Posted on: Fri, 07/18/2014 - 2:17pm #937879
Magic JordanParticipantI can see where you are coming from, I am not a Bulls fan so I am objective but what he was saying is non sense. First of all, what kind of hack is he… The Suns took Warren with the 14th pick and didn’t the Bulls have the 16th and 19th picks? How were they supposed to target Harris and Warren? Minus a credibility point for him right there.
As a Lakers fan I watched plenty of Pau, and he is by far waaaay better than Boozer. Superior on offense, and better on defense. He might not be the best defender in the world… but he can protect the rim a little bit as he has averaged 2 blocks throughout his career… not to mention he is better on the offensive glass than Boozer… it’s not even close…. in fact it’s so not close that I am still sour about the Lakers "winning" the Boozer amnesty claim.
I am a big Dougie McDermott fan, I got blasted for saying he could average 15 ppg this year and be a top 4 ROY candidate, but now that people have seen him play I am sure more and more people will act like they were on the bandwagon all along…. that’s usually how it goes.
The one part I agree with him is the Mirotic hype… if you have watched him at all aside from his online highlights… he is not going to be what Bulls fans have been anticipating for years. Most Bulls fans were viewing him as the next Dirk and it just simply isn’t going to happen, if those are fans expectations they will be greatly let down. With that being said he will be serviceable, provide some offense off the bench but I think it’s type for Bulls fans to reign in their Mirotic expectations.
Other than that this guy is a complete moron, and obvious homer, but it makes sense considering he is employed by the biggest homer on the internet… Bill Simmons.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/18/2014 - 6:01pm #937812
joecheck88ParticipantYea this guy seems to have it out for the Bulls a bit. I see what he was trying to do but he tried way too hard. Here is my take.
Carlos Boozer makes Pau look like Bill Russell. Lol. Pau will be ok on defense especially because he’ll be guarding C’s(I would assume). Offensively, you can throw the ball to him and he can score in the post, hit a mid range shot and finish. I think what the writer was trying to say is that without a healthy D Rose he doesn’t make much of a difference.
Doug McDermott should be nice off the bench. Can flat out score. The trade was pulled off before they actually picked. I think they could’ve gotten Hood and Harris instead and that may have been better but McDermott should be more ready than both those guys. Think the writer meant without D Rose he doesn’t make much of a difference.
I don’t see where Mirotic gets time though. Maybe 10-12 min a game as a spark in slow games for them. It all depends on Derrick Rose. Their offseason wasn’t spectacular unless D Rose is there to make th spectacular.
0- Posted on: Sat, 07/19/2014 - 5:51am #938034

Ghost01ParticipantI get what you are saying…but without Rose the point is mute anyway. The Bulls aren’t winning anything without Rose, so if that is what he’s trying to say, it doesn’t matter.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/19/2014 - 5:51am #937905

Ghost01ParticipantI get what you are saying…but without Rose the point is mute anyway. The Bulls aren’t winning anything without Rose, so if that is what he’s trying to say, it doesn’t matter.
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- Posted on: Fri, 07/18/2014 - 6:01pm #937942
joecheck88ParticipantYea this guy seems to have it out for the Bulls a bit. I see what he was trying to do but he tried way too hard. Here is my take.
Carlos Boozer makes Pau look like Bill Russell. Lol. Pau will be ok on defense especially because he’ll be guarding C’s(I would assume). Offensively, you can throw the ball to him and he can score in the post, hit a mid range shot and finish. I think what the writer was trying to say is that without a healthy D Rose he doesn’t make much of a difference.
Doug McDermott should be nice off the bench. Can flat out score. The trade was pulled off before they actually picked. I think they could’ve gotten Hood and Harris instead and that may have been better but McDermott should be more ready than both those guys. Think the writer meant without D Rose he doesn’t make much of a difference.
I don’t see where Mirotic gets time though. Maybe 10-12 min a game as a spark in slow games for them. It all depends on Derrick Rose. Their offseason wasn’t spectacular unless D Rose is there to make th spectacular.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/18/2014 - 6:13pm #937816

OhCanada-ParticipantMcdermott is going to score alot. Im not too excited about the Gasol upgrade although they are better off with Gasol over Boozer. I think promoting Gibson to a starter and signing Ed Davis to replace Gibsons old role would have been smarter but they had to make a splash.
It should be interesting to see how many minutes Mirotic gets but I thik he can make a nice impact as well. Defensively he may take a while to adapt but the offense will be there.
Even Snell looks great. He has a much better dribbling abillity and added some muscle. His perimeter shot has never looked that promising and he looks ready for a breakout season.
This team is deep and rich with developing talent. If they can get Rose back on track they will be the Eastern Conference San Antonio Spurs as far as organizational development and structure leading to success goes.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/18/2014 - 6:13pm #937946

OhCanada-ParticipantMcdermott is going to score alot. Im not too excited about the Gasol upgrade although they are better off with Gasol over Boozer. I think promoting Gibson to a starter and signing Ed Davis to replace Gibsons old role would have been smarter but they had to make a splash.
It should be interesting to see how many minutes Mirotic gets but I thik he can make a nice impact as well. Defensively he may take a while to adapt but the offense will be there.
Even Snell looks great. He has a much better dribbling abillity and added some muscle. His perimeter shot has never looked that promising and he looks ready for a breakout season.
This team is deep and rich with developing talent. If they can get Rose back on track they will be the Eastern Conference San Antonio Spurs as far as organizational development and structure leading to success goes.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/18/2014 - 9:08pm #937844

he_gets_bucketsParticipantMirotic wasn’t even the one of the best 3 players on his own team let alone all of Europe. Lets stop with this Ricky Rubio-esque over hype.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/18/2014 - 9:08pm #937975

he_gets_bucketsParticipantMirotic wasn’t even the one of the best 3 players on his own team let alone all of Europe. Lets stop with this Ricky Rubio-esque over hype.
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