The future is now

wiggins hasn’t blown anyone away yet with his play.

what if the wolves want wiggins 3 to 4 pick and bennet and Tristan. and or/dion

they have to give up atleats 3 players to match contracts  LeBron wanted to come and play with these young guys that’s why he mentioned them.

so what if minn doesn’t want to do a deal without getting most of the above?

who will plug the holes how can you win a ship this year if you give up everything  and your future assets to improve next year in the draft? the reason he left Miami is they lacked talent yes they had a big 3 but depth was scarce.

I think both sides don’t want to do this deal  sorry to say but the warriors have a better offera with the young prospect they have a klay,barnes,and david lee and picks  offer is better and more proven.

the cavs players haven’t done much yet haven’t won anything we all know wiggins will take a long time to develop  and when he does will he stay in minn after they waited so long for him o become great IF HE BECOMES GREAT another thing they already have corey brewer what if wiggins doesn’t pan out to be worth as much as love?  

I don’t think these two will come to a deal ANYTIME SOON  maybe never and if you want to trade love mid season on this young new team you might as well wait to sign him because being young, and having chemistry issues trying to compete for a ring with a new player trying learn the plays and playing with players like irving and LeBron will take time.

remember how the heat struggled at first  the cavs will to and if they trade for love mid season the struggle will start back over.

I just don’t see it right now its not worth doing it yet for the wolves or the cavs.

wiggins hasn’t blown anyone away yet with his play.

what if the wolves want wiggins 3 to 4 pick and bennet and Tristan. and or/dion

they have to give up atleats 3 players to match contracts  LeBron wanted to come and play with these young guys that’s why he mentioned them.

so what if minn doesn’t want to do a deal without getting most of the above?

who will plug the holes how can you win a ship this year if you give up everything  and your future assets to improve next year in the draft? the reason he left Miami is they lacked talent yes they had a big 3 but depth was scarce.

I think both sides don’t want to do this deal  sorry to say but the warriors have a better offera with the young prospect they have a klay,barnes,and david lee and picks  offer is better and more proven.

the cavs players haven’t done much yet haven’t won anything we all know wiggins will take a long time to develop  and when he does will he stay in minn after they waited so long for him o become great IF HE BECOMES GREAT another thing they already have corey brewer what if wiggins doesn’t pan out to be worth as much as love?  

I don’t think these two will come to a deal ANYTIME SOON  maybe never and if you want to trade love mid season on this young new team you might as well wait to sign him because being young, and having chemistry issues trying to compete for a ring with a new player trying learn the plays and playing with players like irving and LeBron will take time.

remember how the heat struggled at first  the cavs will to and if they trade for love mid season the struggle will start back over.

I just don’t see it right now its not worth doing it yet for the wolves or the cavs.

 If Kevin Love was a good or great defender rather than an average one then Love would’ve already been traded before Lebron even went back to Cleveland.Love has undeniable offensive and rebounding ability, but at this point in his career he’s just a guy who puts up great numbers for a losing team.

Love could really screw the T-Wolves if he won’t commit to signing an extension with the Cavs or Warriors. Each team has already been reluctant to include their valuable players, Andrew Wiggins and Klay Thompson, and without a commiting to resign there is no way Wiggins or Thompson get traded.

 If Kevin Love was a good or great defender rather than an average one then Love would’ve already been traded before Lebron even went back to Cleveland.Love has undeniable offensive and rebounding ability, but at this point in his career he’s just a guy who puts up great numbers for a losing team.

Love could really screw the T-Wolves if he won’t commit to signing an extension with the Cavs or Warriors. Each team has already been reluctant to include their valuable players, Andrew Wiggins and Klay Thompson, and without a commiting to resign there is no way Wiggins or Thompson get traded.

 It would be a huge mistake on Cleveland’s part to give up Wiggins in a deal for Kevin Love.  The defensive drop off they would have would be devastating.  Imagine Cleveland gets to the finals (which is totally plausible in the weak east) and draw OKC in the finals.  Lebron guarding Durant and Wiggins guarding Westbrook, Cleveland would have a punchers chance at winning a title this season.

 It would be a huge mistake on Cleveland’s part to give up Wiggins in a deal for Kevin Love.  The defensive drop off they would have would be devastating.  Imagine Cleveland gets to the finals (which is totally plausible in the weak east) and draw OKC in the finals.  Lebron guarding Durant and Wiggins guarding Westbrook, Cleveland would have a punchers chance at winning a title this season.

I know the common consenus is that you don’t want to get rid of a future superstar and I get it, Wiggins will more than likely be great. But people are getting too hung up on the future. Cleveland has Lebron and needs to win now. If they get Love they are the favourites in the East for at least the next few years in my eyes.
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If you think Wiggins will be great then recent history suggests he will have an immediate impact and be playing near an All-Star level by his second year in the league.

Look at all the other elite prospects who have come into the NBA after one year of college ball and look at what they did in their second year in the league (provided they weren’t injured like Greg Oden); Carmelo (20.8 PPG, 5.7 RPG), Durant (25.3 PPG, 6.5 RPG), Cousins (18.1 PPG, 11 RPG), Rose (20.8 PPG, 6 APG), Davis (20.8 PPG, 10 RPG, 2.8 BPG), Wall (16.3 PPG, 8 APG), and Irving (22.5 PPG, 5.9 APG). Those players also played at a high level in their rookie seasons as well.

Even less hyped players like Eric Gordon (16.1 PPG), OJ Mayo (18.5 PPG),and Tyreke Evans (20.1 PPG, 5.3 RPG, 5.8 APG), had excellent first season debuts while others like Demar Derozan (17.2 PPG), Brad Beal (17.1 PPG) and Kevin Love (14 PPG and 11 RPG in just 28 MPG) contributed massively by their sophomore seasons.

It’s not like Wiggins is going to be riding the bench for years before getting significant minutes and helping the Cavs win.

If you think the Cavs should rather go for the proven Love over the untested Wiggins that’s one thing, but to actually concede that Wiggins more than likely will be great but they should trade him is a bit silly. If they want to be contenders with Lebron for another 4 or 5+ years they can’t think short term.

I know the common consenus is that you don’t want to get rid of a future superstar and I get it, Wiggins will more than likely be great. But people are getting too hung up on the future. Cleveland has Lebron and needs to win now. If they get Love they are the favourites in the East for at least the next few years in my eyes.
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If you think Wiggins will be great then recent history suggests he will have an immediate impact and be playing near an All-Star level by his second year in the league.

Look at all the other elite prospects who have come into the NBA after one year of college ball and look at what they did in their second year in the league (provided they weren’t injured like Greg Oden); Carmelo (20.8 PPG, 5.7 RPG), Durant (25.3 PPG, 6.5 RPG), Cousins (18.1 PPG, 11 RPG), Rose (20.8 PPG, 6 APG), Davis (20.8 PPG, 10 RPG, 2.8 BPG), Wall (16.3 PPG, 8 APG), and Irving (22.5 PPG, 5.9 APG). Those players also played at a high level in their rookie seasons as well.

Even less hyped players like Eric Gordon (16.1 PPG), OJ Mayo (18.5 PPG),and Tyreke Evans (20.1 PPG, 5.3 RPG, 5.8 APG), had excellent first season debuts while others like Demar Derozan (17.2 PPG), Brad Beal (17.1 PPG) and Kevin Love (14 PPG and 11 RPG in just 28 MPG) contributed massively by their sophomore seasons.

It’s not like Wiggins is going to be riding the bench for years before getting significant minutes and helping the Cavs win.

If you think the Cavs should rather go for the proven Love over the untested Wiggins that’s one thing, but to actually concede that Wiggins more than likely will be great but they should trade him is a bit silly. If they want to be contenders with Lebron for another 4 or 5+ years they can’t think short term.

right if you have a chance to contend for the next 5-8 years while you plan for beyond that you ride it out.

in 8 years kyrie will be 30 LeBron will be 37( kobe,Pierce,manu,jordan still had productive careers around this age) wiggins will be 27 love would be 33.  not counting anybody else they drafted or signed or take a pay cut. still a productive core  LeBron may have slowed down but would have changed his game by then around his limitations.

that’s dynasty and I think LeBron and love would take a paycut after 8 years to bring another player aboard.

I say hold on they will compete with or without love. everyone says now now now….what about as LeBron ages dion,wiggins,irving, those two future picks, chemistry  could stretch lebrons careers.  are we that near sighted ?we forget about the knicks gutting their roster for melo it failing now they have to do it over ?  why not wait and sign him.

right if you have a chance to contend for the next 5-8 years while you plan for beyond that you ride it out.

in 8 years kyrie will be 30 LeBron will be 37( kobe,Pierce,manu,jordan still had productive careers around this age) wiggins will be 27 love would be 33.  not counting anybody else they drafted or signed or take a pay cut. still a productive core  LeBron may have slowed down but would have changed his game by then around his limitations.

that’s dynasty and I think LeBron and love would take a paycut after 8 years to bring another player aboard.

I say hold on they will compete with or without love. everyone says now now now….what about as LeBron ages dion,wiggins,irving, those two future picks, chemistry  could stretch lebrons careers.  are we that near sighted ?we forget about the knicks gutting their roster for melo it failing now they have to do it over ?  why not wait and sign him.

also if they move Tristan and bennet in the offeseason to clear the pf spot and cap for love they can get back assets.

I think theirs a separate market for both Tristan and Bennet if they where to move them they can get some protected first from playoff teams  or a player on a smaller contract or right or even second round picks.

then sign love  will teams be willing to do deals with the cavs if this was to take place?, I doubt it nobody wants a power house to get stronger with more assets.

also if they move Tristan and bennet in the offeseason to clear the pf spot and cap for love they can get back assets.

I think theirs a separate market for both Tristan and Bennet if they where to move them they can get some protected first from playoff teams  or a player on a smaller contract or right or even second round picks.

then sign love  will teams be willing to do deals with the cavs if this was to take place?, I doubt it nobody wants a power house to get stronger with more assets.

come to the conclusion moving Wiggins to get Love is the right thing to, but only because the Lebron window won’t be open forever.

The question in my mind  – is it a straight up one-for-one deal, if not, who are the other pieces ?

Thoughts ?

come to the conclusion moving Wiggins to get Love is the right thing to, but only because the Lebron window won’t be open forever.

The question in my mind  – is it a straight up one-for-one deal, if not, who are the other pieces ?

Thoughts ?

come to the conclusion moving Wiggins to get Love is the right thing to, but only because the Lebron window won’t be open forever.
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Sure it won’t be open “forever” but it should be open longer than a year. And if Wiggins is going to be an All-Star player it’s probably going to be evident by his second season in the league as I mentioned above. If the Lebron window is open for 5 years (lets say until he’s 34 years old in the 2018-2019 season) then Wiggins will be a good running mate for him and Irving for 3-4 of those 5 years.

come to the conclusion moving Wiggins to get Love is the right thing to, but only because the Lebron window won’t be open forever.
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Sure it won’t be open “forever” but it should be open longer than a year. And if Wiggins is going to be an All-Star player it’s probably going to be evident by his second season in the league as I mentioned above. If the Lebron window is open for 5 years (lets say until he’s 34 years old in the 2018-2019 season) then Wiggins will be a good running mate for him and Irving for 3-4 of those 5 years.

 A lot of people are acting like trading Wiggins for Love shortens the Cavs window to win a championship which couldn’t be further from the truth.  Trading for Love just opens the window immediatly while also setting up for a possible decade long dynasty.  

Kevin Love is only 25 years old.  Yes he’ll be 26 when the season starts but the guy has barely even hit his prime, he’s a hard worker whose going to become smarter and a better shooter still.  Plus he plays a cerebral game like Dirk and Duncan meaning he’ll remain an All Star caliber player into his mid 30’s.  And how many times do the Spurs have to prove you need great big men to win chips in this league.  Lebron already tried winning a championship with Anderson Verejaou as his best big and we all saw how that turned out.  I have no doubt that if the Cavs knew they would get Lebron they would of still drafted Embiid first despite his injuries for these reasons.

Also a lot of people are under the impression that the Cavs need Wiggins perimeter defense to be able to win.  While Wiggins will be an immediate defensive presence, he will not be an immediate defensive force.  He will block shots, and get steals, but will also pick up a ton of fouls and miss rotations once the real season starts doing those things.  And for all the defense he brings right now he’s a liability on offense forcing too much and turning the ball over.  Those are mistakes a championship team can’t afford.  

So on offense what roles does Wiggins play?  Does he just stand in the corner shooting open 3’s and make occassional cuts back door?  Just off the top of my head they could sign Wesley Johnson to do that.  They already signed Mike Miller to hit open 3’s.  

But back to defence we think Wiggins defence will make the Cavs better.  We think he’s going to know how to guard an NBA level PnR.  But I’m sure the Wolves will be more then happy to throw Corey Brewer and/orLuc Mbah a Moute into the deal to satisfy the Cavs thirst for defence.

So what lineup looks closer to a championship now and in the future.

Irving(22), Brewer(28), James(29), Love(25), A.V(31).

Irving(22), Wiggins(19), James(29), Thompson(23), A.V.(31)

 Remenber for all the talk about defence winning you still need quality big men, but even more important is basketball I.Q.  The basketball I.Q. between Irving, James and Love would be impossible to stop, and Lebron would become even more dominant with Irving and Love spacing the floor.  Also Love rebounds unlike Bosh, so Lebron wouldn’t have to crash the boards and instead could leak upcourt and catch a famed Love outlet pass.

 A lot of people are acting like trading Wiggins for Love shortens the Cavs window to win a championship which couldn’t be further from the truth.  Trading for Love just opens the window immediatly while also setting up for a possible decade long dynasty.  

Kevin Love is only 25 years old.  Yes he’ll be 26 when the season starts but the guy has barely even hit his prime, he’s a hard worker whose going to become smarter and a better shooter still.  Plus he plays a cerebral game like Dirk and Duncan meaning he’ll remain an All Star caliber player into his mid 30’s.  And how many times do the Spurs have to prove you need great big men to win chips in this league.  Lebron already tried winning a championship with Anderson Verejaou as his best big and we all saw how that turned out.  I have no doubt that if the Cavs knew they would get Lebron they would of still drafted Embiid first despite his injuries for these reasons.

Also a lot of people are under the impression that the Cavs need Wiggins perimeter defense to be able to win.  While Wiggins will be an immediate defensive presence, he will not be an immediate defensive force.  He will block shots, and get steals, but will also pick up a ton of fouls and miss rotations once the real season starts doing those things.  And for all the defense he brings right now he’s a liability on offense forcing too much and turning the ball over.  Those are mistakes a championship team can’t afford.  

So on offense what roles does Wiggins play?  Does he just stand in the corner shooting open 3’s and make occassional cuts back door?  Just off the top of my head they could sign Wesley Johnson to do that.  They already signed Mike Miller to hit open 3’s.  

But back to defence we think Wiggins defence will make the Cavs better.  We think he’s going to know how to guard an NBA level PnR.  But I’m sure the Wolves will be more then happy to throw Corey Brewer and/orLuc Mbah a Moute into the deal to satisfy the Cavs thirst for defence.

So what lineup looks closer to a championship now and in the future.

Irving(22), Brewer(28), James(29), Love(25), A.V(31).

Irving(22), Wiggins(19), James(29), Thompson(23), A.V.(31)

 Remenber for all the talk about defence winning you still need quality big men, but even more important is basketball I.Q.  The basketball I.Q. between Irving, James and Love would be impossible to stop, and Lebron would become even more dominant with Irving and Love spacing the floor.  Also Love rebounds unlike Bosh, so Lebron wouldn’t have to crash the boards and instead could leak upcourt and catch a famed Love outlet pass.