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  • #57193
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    Why does everyone act like the Rockets are a Chris Bosh or a stretch 4 away from title contention?

    I obviously think Chris Bosh is an upgrade over Terrence Jones but Jones doesnt need the ball to be effective and he really came on last season and showed he has lots of potential.  Chris Bosh would definitely take his place and be a decent upgrade but a stretch 4 is definitely not the Rockets main problem IMO.  All 3 of Harden, Parsons, and Howard are slightly overrated players, yes theyre good but I’m not sure any of them are as good as they are advertised to be.  The team has very mediocre PG play, poor team chemistry, and horrible personalities on top of that.  I’m not saying this team can’t compete with the addition of Bosh, I think they’d be top 4 in the west probably, I just wish everyone wouldn’t act like the team had no 4 spot play last year.   What happens to Jones if they sign Bosh?  I think you get Bosh if you can but Jones averaging 12 pts on that team in his first year playing regularly is pretty damn good…

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  • #933959
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    I agree that Bosh is not the answer. I would rather see them lock Parsons up long term and add a quality scoring wing and energy big man for the second unit. Now that Lin seems to be gone they’ll need a backup PG too.

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  • #934087
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    I agree that Bosh is not the answer. I would rather see them lock Parsons up long term and add a quality scoring wing and energy big man for the second unit. Now that Lin seems to be gone they’ll need a backup PG too.

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  • #933961
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    Yes, what is mostly being talked about is what a great fit Bosh will be next to Howard because he is such a good stretch 4, but what is being greatly overlooked in my opinion is what a great defender Bosh is, especially against the pick and roll.  Jones did play well last year on the offense, but he is not near the defender that Bosh is at the 4, and that is greatly important in a lineup that needs James Harden on the court in crunch time.  I don’t think the Rockets believe they are a stretch 4 away from contending, as much as they truly believe that Bosh is the perfect compliment to their team on both ends of the floor.

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  • #934089
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    Yes, what is mostly being talked about is what a great fit Bosh will be next to Howard because he is such a good stretch 4, but what is being greatly overlooked in my opinion is what a great defender Bosh is, especially against the pick and roll.  Jones did play well last year on the offense, but he is not near the defender that Bosh is at the 4, and that is greatly important in a lineup that needs James Harden on the court in crunch time.  I don’t think the Rockets believe they are a stretch 4 away from contending, as much as they truly believe that Bosh is the perfect compliment to their team on both ends of the floor.

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  • #933965
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     Bosh will also have much more energy with the Rockets. Remember, he pretty much said that the reason he soely plays on the perimeter is because of the HEat’s aggressive pick and roll defense, which forced Bosh to crash a slasher every time in the paint. Now, that’s Dwight’s job, allowing Chris for more energy on the offensive side of the game. Maybe he can bring back some of his post moves/bangers.

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  • #934093
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     Bosh will also have much more energy with the Rockets. Remember, he pretty much said that the reason he soely plays on the perimeter is because of the HEat’s aggressive pick and roll defense, which forced Bosh to crash a slasher every time in the paint. Now, that’s Dwight’s job, allowing Chris for more energy on the offensive side of the game. Maybe he can bring back some of his post moves/bangers.

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  • #933969
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     Bosh 16, 7, 1, 1, and 1 on 52% shooting and 34% from the three point line. He is 30 years old. His key advanced stat is that he held opponents to 54% shooting at the rim last year, which is good, but not necessarily elite. He played 32 minutes a game. 

    Jones 12, 7, 1, 1, and .7 on 54% shooting and 32% from the three point line. He is 22 years old. He held opponents to 64% shooting at the rim last year, which is below average. He played 27 minutes a game. 

    Jones doesn’t have the length that Bosh has or the championship experience. Bosh has more maturity in big games, has hit big shots, and knows how to make the little plays to win basketball games. 

    Both players play off of two primary scorers. Both players can score outside and inside. Both are quick enough to be effective at defending the pick and roll. 

    I think Bosh is a really good player, but it would be hard for me to sign him to a 90+ million dollar contract over four years when I have a 22 year old playerfor three more years who produces similarly and I am only paying him 9 million. 

    I just don’t know how much better the Rockets are with Bosh, especially if it means they have to make a decision (this year or in the future) on whether or not to give up Parsons. This is why, all along, I have thought that Melo was the better fit. He is different than Parsons and Jones, but can play with either and he gives the Rockets something they don’t have. I know that Melo is probably going back to the Knicks, but I think it would have been a good fit. 

    Speaking of Bosh’s contract: if Lebron James leaves, do the Rockets really need to offer a 30 year old big man a 90+ million dollar contract? I mean, it’s not like Bosh is going to want to return to the Heat without Lebron. Couldn’t they try to get it down to the 75-80 million dollar range at least? 

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #934097
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     Bosh 16, 7, 1, 1, and 1 on 52% shooting and 34% from the three point line. He is 30 years old. His key advanced stat is that he held opponents to 54% shooting at the rim last year, which is good, but not necessarily elite. He played 32 minutes a game. 

    Jones 12, 7, 1, 1, and .7 on 54% shooting and 32% from the three point line. He is 22 years old. He held opponents to 64% shooting at the rim last year, which is below average. He played 27 minutes a game. 

    Jones doesn’t have the length that Bosh has or the championship experience. Bosh has more maturity in big games, has hit big shots, and knows how to make the little plays to win basketball games. 

    Both players play off of two primary scorers. Both players can score outside and inside. Both are quick enough to be effective at defending the pick and roll. 

    I think Bosh is a really good player, but it would be hard for me to sign him to a 90+ million dollar contract over four years when I have a 22 year old playerfor three more years who produces similarly and I am only paying him 9 million. 

    I just don’t know how much better the Rockets are with Bosh, especially if it means they have to make a decision (this year or in the future) on whether or not to give up Parsons. This is why, all along, I have thought that Melo was the better fit. He is different than Parsons and Jones, but can play with either and he gives the Rockets something they don’t have. I know that Melo is probably going back to the Knicks, but I think it would have been a good fit. 

    Speaking of Bosh’s contract: if Lebron James leaves, do the Rockets really need to offer a 30 year old big man a 90+ million dollar contract? I mean, it’s not like Bosh is going to want to return to the Heat without Lebron. Couldn’t they try to get it down to the 75-80 million dollar range at least? 

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #933993
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    exactly I don’t think he fits bosh is a better player all around then jones but production wise he did make a point.

    I don’t like this deal bosh will have to battle with some of the top pf in the league daily in the west and to get out of the playoffs.

    bosh doesn’t fit long term to me for the 88 million he will be getting. he hasn’t lead a team for that kind of money we need a difference maker not a complimentary.

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  • #934121
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    exactly I don’t think he fits bosh is a better player all around then jones but production wise he did make a point.

    I don’t like this deal bosh will have to battle with some of the top pf in the league daily in the west and to get out of the playoffs.

    bosh doesn’t fit long term to me for the 88 million he will be getting. he hasn’t lead a team for that kind of money we need a difference maker not a complimentary.

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  • #934265
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     As a Rox fan, i think Bosh would fit pretty well with the team, a lot better than a Melo.

    But the Rox problems in order of importance are:

    -Coaching: if you watched the first round last year you know why Mchale is a terrible strategist, a cool guy to kick bakc with and a players coach but not a guy who makes the best decisions or is thinking 3 steps ahead.

    -Leadership: Harden? no Howard? hell no? Who then? Parsons is the closest thing. And he might leave. So who is the leader on this team? They dont have one.. Bosh might help with this, Melo definitely not.

    -System: their offensive system is 3 or drive. I dont like it cuz its not fun to watch being thats its completely predictable. I dont think this offensive mentality has been successful ever in the nba, its gotta be mixed up more. They also have no defensive system but "stick Howard in the middle and hope it works".

    -Pass-first point guard: their system requires all 5 of their players be able to score. Especially their backcourt players so their PG is likely a shoot-first combo-guard. That means every guy for themself. no passing involved, no "team-ball" in play

    -Parsons, Chandler: he was the glue to their team last year, the leader by default. Im not sure he can get much better, he is what he is right now. He is not worth $15m/yr. If they mach that offer the ROx are Effed. Stupid decsion to let him become a restricted free agent this year and not wait till next year. You Moron Dork Elvis!

    -Omer Asik: Waited to long to trade him and got crap back for him. Moron Dork elvis!

    -Harden: Overrated offensive player. doesnt make his teammates better. His defene has fallen dramatically to the point that his defensive lapses negate anything he does on the offensive end. Hot/cold streaky player who has been a NO-SHOW for the past 2 playoffs. 

    -Lack of another big man: Asik wasnt as versatile as the team needed (see the Portland series last year), Bosh would be good but his $20m/yr hit is not worth it.

    -Lack of system AGAIN: having trouble scoring? keep jacking up 3’s, they’ll fall eventually wont they?! No? Well kick it into Howard and watch him post-up and score. Oh, that means the 4 other guys are just standing watching and will likely lose rhythm and interest in the game? What to do?? Terrible offfensive system when the shots are not falling.

    -Daryl Morey: not as smart/cunning as he thinks he is?

     

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  • #934138
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     As a Rox fan, i think Bosh would fit pretty well with the team, a lot better than a Melo.

    But the Rox problems in order of importance are:

    -Coaching: if you watched the first round last year you know why Mchale is a terrible strategist, a cool guy to kick bakc with and a players coach but not a guy who makes the best decisions or is thinking 3 steps ahead.

    -Leadership: Harden? no Howard? hell no? Who then? Parsons is the closest thing. And he might leave. So who is the leader on this team? They dont have one.. Bosh might help with this, Melo definitely not.

    -System: their offensive system is 3 or drive. I dont like it cuz its not fun to watch being thats its completely predictable. I dont think this offensive mentality has been successful ever in the nba, its gotta be mixed up more. They also have no defensive system but "stick Howard in the middle and hope it works".

    -Pass-first point guard: their system requires all 5 of their players be able to score. Especially their backcourt players so their PG is likely a shoot-first combo-guard. That means every guy for themself. no passing involved, no "team-ball" in play

    -Parsons, Chandler: he was the glue to their team last year, the leader by default. Im not sure he can get much better, he is what he is right now. He is not worth $15m/yr. If they mach that offer the ROx are Effed. Stupid decsion to let him become a restricted free agent this year and not wait till next year. You Moron Dork Elvis!

    -Omer Asik: Waited to long to trade him and got crap back for him. Moron Dork elvis!

    -Harden: Overrated offensive player. doesnt make his teammates better. His defene has fallen dramatically to the point that his defensive lapses negate anything he does on the offensive end. Hot/cold streaky player who has been a NO-SHOW for the past 2 playoffs. 

    -Lack of another big man: Asik wasnt as versatile as the team needed (see the Portland series last year), Bosh would be good but his $20m/yr hit is not worth it.

    -Lack of system AGAIN: having trouble scoring? keep jacking up 3’s, they’ll fall eventually wont they?! No? Well kick it into Howard and watch him post-up and score. Oh, that means the 4 other guys are just standing watching and will likely lose rhythm and interest in the game? What to do?? Terrible offfensive system when the shots are not falling.

    -Daryl Morey: not as smart/cunning as he thinks he is?

     

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  • #934146
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    Bosh is a good fit and a much better player then Jones.  I also think Bosh becomes your number two scoring threat on the Rockets over Howard.  So I think you’ll get more points out of Bosh then the Heat did.  Jones is a good young player, but he has a long way to go to reach Bosh’s level and complete game.

    But is PG a bigger need?  I would say yes, I like Beverly and Lin is okay, but they aren’t championship level PG’s.  I think a player like Rondo could make a bigger impact then a player like Bosh.

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  • #934273
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    Bosh is a good fit and a much better player then Jones.  I also think Bosh becomes your number two scoring threat on the Rockets over Howard.  So I think you’ll get more points out of Bosh then the Heat did.  Jones is a good young player, but he has a long way to go to reach Bosh’s level and complete game.

    But is PG a bigger need?  I would say yes, I like Beverly and Lin is okay, but they aren’t championship level PG’s.  I think a player like Rondo could make a bigger impact then a player like Bosh.

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  • #934246
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     Go figure this Kentucky nut rider hyping Terrance Jones…..biased clown, absolute biased clown

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  • #934373
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     Go figure this Kentucky nut rider hyping Terrance Jones…..biased clown, absolute biased clown

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  • #934458
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    Rondo would be a nice fit in Houston 

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  • #934329
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    Rondo would be a nice fit in Houston 

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