Cavs offering Hayward the max?

 Doesn’t he play the same postition as Wiggins ?

 Doesn’t he play the same postition as Wiggins ?

The Cavs said they see Wiggins as a future SG, but feel that they can put him beside any other wing player whether its a sg or sf because of his ability to defend either. When it comes to Hayward i would rather them try to get Parsons or focus on making the frontcourt better. An Irving, Wiggins, and Hayward sounds really good going forward though so I wont complain, I just dont think he is a max player.

Do the Jazz try to match even if its that high?

The Cavs said they see Wiggins as a future SG, but feel that they can put him beside any other wing player whether its a sg or sf because of his ability to defend either. When it comes to Hayward i would rather them try to get Parsons or focus on making the frontcourt better. An Irving, Wiggins, and Hayward sounds really good going forward though so I wont complain, I just dont think he is a max player.

Do the Jazz try to match even if its that high?

You don’t pay that much for a player that shot 41% from the field and shot 30% from 3… Oh, he’s terrible on defense…  Oh, he put up those mediocre stats on one of the WORST teams in the league last year…   WHY?????????????????   Should’ve just picked Jabari and made Waiters the SG of the future instead of paying Hayward $15+ a year…  Hayward isn’t better than Waiters IMO…

You don’t pay that much for a player that shot 41% from the field and shot 30% from 3… Oh, he’s terrible on defense…  Oh, he put up those mediocre stats on one of the WORST teams in the league last year…   WHY?????????????????   Should’ve just picked Jabari and made Waiters the SG of the future instead of paying Hayward $15+ a year…  Hayward isn’t better than Waiters IMO…

 I assume they play both wiggins and Hayward at the guard positions and wiggins guards the tougher assignment. Sg sf doesn’t matter. 

 I assume they play both wiggins and Hayward at the guard positions and wiggins guards the tougher assignment. Sg sf doesn’t matter. 

I really do like haywards game but I wouldn’t max him id try and get him at the 10 too 12 mil a year range

I really do like haywards game but I wouldn’t max him id try and get him at the 10 too 12 mil a year range

 SG and SF are basically interchangable in todays NBA so this move allows them to play Wiggins and Hayward together easily. The term max scares a lot of people off, but for Hayward that is only around 15 million a year. Even though that is over paying him that is probably the cost to get him away from the Jazz. I don’t like paying him 15 a year, but I do like moving Waiters to the 6th man role which is ultimately his best position. There are better ways to spend 15 million, but getting a young stud in Hayward isn’t a bad idea.

 SG and SF are basically interchangable in todays NBA so this move allows them to play Wiggins and Hayward together easily. The term max scares a lot of people off, but for Hayward that is only around 15 million a year. Even though that is over paying him that is probably the cost to get him away from the Jazz. I don’t like paying him 15 a year, but I do like moving Waiters to the 6th man role which is ultimately his best position. There are better ways to spend 15 million, but getting a young stud in Hayward isn’t a bad idea.

He’s only 24 years old and can still get better. He’ll be overpaid by a few million per season, but Cleveland went high to decrease the likelihood that Utah will match. 

He’ll be a great fit next to Irving. I like this move for Cleveland. They’re not wasting time hoping for LBJ, etc. 

Cleveland has made quite a few mistakes, but I think they’re on the right track with this one. 

He’s only 24 years old and can still get better. He’ll be overpaid by a few million per season, but Cleveland went high to decrease the likelihood that Utah will match. 

He’ll be a great fit next to Irving. I like this move for Cleveland. They’re not wasting time hoping for LBJ, etc. 

Cleveland has made quite a few mistakes, but I think they’re on the right track with this one. 

That’s a lot for Hayward. I don’t think he’s worth more than 9-10 mil per year. If the Jazz match they are insane. But they might actually do it though. The Jazz need all the help they can get 

That’s a lot for Hayward. I don’t think he’s worth more than 9-10 mil per year. If the Jazz match they are insane. But they might actually do it though. The Jazz need all the help they can get 

The Cav’s got a new coach who demands ball movement. Hayward is a underrated passer and played a lot of point forward for the Jazz last year. He is also a better shooter than last years number represent and remember he didn’t take one open shot. Besides the Cav’s will have to overpay for any free agent period. 15 a yea is a 3 million overpay for Hayward but that’s the way it goes.

The Jazz will match and that allows them to give him a 4 year deal instead of a five year deal. So the Jazz really win in the end, if your a person that thinks he is worth it.

For the Cav’s there is still 48 minutes in a game so this would allow for quality backcourt and wing play for the entire game. Blatt is supposed to be good at creating quality optimal lineups.

The Cav’s said all that crap about Wiggins being a big 2 because they want to sign a certain small forward in free agency. Even with that certain player being the longest of long shots they still want to sign Ariza, Parsons, Deng etc. That’s what that talk of him being a 2 was about. Look at even Paul George, the Pacers realized he is quicker and able to drive as a three, same for Wiggins in the future. I would love for the Cav’s to get a young core of good players locked up on long term deals but I think Ariza for even 3 years 30 million, and CJ Miles for 3 years 15 million (overpaying both), costing 45 over the next three years is a more productive recipe for success than paying Hayward 45 over the next three and having a fourth year guaranteed. Or even a overpaid Parsons at 13 a year.

If Griffin wants Hayward he could put in a player option early in the contract. If Hayward could opt out and become a unrestricted free agent after one or two years I don’t think that Utah would match. I always thought this would be something that would put teams with restricted free agents in a jam. This gives restricted free agents the ability to bolt an organization they don’t want to play for after a year but protects them if there value drops because they can just keep opting in if they get hurt or become a bum.

The Cav’s got a new coach who demands ball movement. Hayward is a underrated passer and played a lot of point forward for the Jazz last year. He is also a better shooter than last years number represent and remember he didn’t take one open shot. Besides the Cav’s will have to overpay for any free agent period. 15 a yea is a 3 million overpay for Hayward but that’s the way it goes.

The Jazz will match and that allows them to give him a 4 year deal instead of a five year deal. So the Jazz really win in the end, if your a person that thinks he is worth it.

For the Cav’s there is still 48 minutes in a game so this would allow for quality backcourt and wing play for the entire game. Blatt is supposed to be good at creating quality optimal lineups.

The Cav’s said all that crap about Wiggins being a big 2 because they want to sign a certain small forward in free agency. Even with that certain player being the longest of long shots they still want to sign Ariza, Parsons, Deng etc. That’s what that talk of him being a 2 was about. Look at even Paul George, the Pacers realized he is quicker and able to drive as a three, same for Wiggins in the future. I would love for the Cav’s to get a young core of good players locked up on long term deals but I think Ariza for even 3 years 30 million, and CJ Miles for 3 years 15 million (overpaying both), costing 45 over the next three years is a more productive recipe for success than paying Hayward 45 over the next three and having a fourth year guaranteed. Or even a overpaid Parsons at 13 a year.

If Griffin wants Hayward he could put in a player option early in the contract. If Hayward could opt out and become a unrestricted free agent after one or two years I don’t think that Utah would match. I always thought this would be something that would put teams with restricted free agents in a jam. This gives restricted free agents the ability to bolt an organization they don’t want to play for after a year but protects them if there value drops because they can just keep opting in if they get hurt or become a bum.

 I think Hayward could be a very valuable piece for the Cavs. Has an interesting skill set that would compliment the other players on the Cavs well. 

As for the contract amount… I’m not sure about. Someone is going to pay him. If the Cav’s think it’s in their best interest then so be it. 

 I think Hayward could be a very valuable piece for the Cavs. Has an interesting skill set that would compliment the other players on the Cavs well. 

As for the contract amount… I’m not sure about. Someone is going to pay him. If the Cav’s think it’s in their best interest then so be it. 

 I was looking at the article on this ESPN, and they said that the Cavs have the ability to clear 20 million in cap space. Which is 5 million more than what we discussing on here as Hayward’s max offer (15 mil). So that means that the Cavs would only have 5 million more to make moves this offseason. That’s not much. Cavs would be smart to not offer Hayward 15 mil a year. Its gonna take more than just Hayward and some low level 5 mil a year player to make the playoffs. They’d be much smarter to just offer him about 12-13 mil per year, then they’d have 7-8 mil to move around with. Much more "leg room". Then again, cavs are not smart so they probably will offer him the max and probably still be just short of the playoffs even with him. 

But going back to the Cavs having 20 mil in cap space, Jazz have 30 mil in cap space (using the graphic that ESPN has) So if the Cavs offer Hayward the max at 15 mil, then the Jazz can still match it and still have 15 mil to move around with and sign other free agents. While the Cavs will only  have 5 mil to move around with. This is easy, Jazz match the offer and they still aren’t screwed money wise. Yeah, Hayward will be paid more than he’s worth, but that shouldn’t matter to the Jazz, they get to keep the player they absolutely need. And that’s all that matters in the end, right? Am I worried? No, Jazz match the offer easily.

 I was looking at the article on this ESPN, and they said that the Cavs have the ability to clear 20 million in cap space. Which is 5 million more than what we discussing on here as Hayward’s max offer (15 mil). So that means that the Cavs would only have 5 million more to make moves this offseason. That’s not much. Cavs would be smart to not offer Hayward 15 mil a year. Its gonna take more than just Hayward and some low level 5 mil a year player to make the playoffs. They’d be much smarter to just offer him about 12-13 mil per year, then they’d have 7-8 mil to move around with. Much more "leg room". Then again, cavs are not smart so they probably will offer him the max and probably still be just short of the playoffs even with him. 

But going back to the Cavs having 20 mil in cap space, Jazz have 30 mil in cap space (using the graphic that ESPN has) So if the Cavs offer Hayward the max at 15 mil, then the Jazz can still match it and still have 15 mil to move around with and sign other free agents. While the Cavs will only  have 5 mil to move around with. This is easy, Jazz match the offer and they still aren’t screwed money wise. Yeah, Hayward will be paid more than he’s worth, but that shouldn’t matter to the Jazz, they get to keep the player they absolutely need. And that’s all that matters in the end, right? Am I worried? No, Jazz match the offer easily.

The Jazz have a ton of cap space and I don’t see them letting go of Hayward. They have hard time picking up top of the line free agents and in the last years have been taking “bad” one year contracts from other teams(Richard Jefferson, Brandon Rush, Biedrins) just so they can fill up the minimum salary cap. I don’t see why they wouldn’t sign Hayward for a max 15 million next year, when they have 30+ million in cap left or 20+million until they reach the minimum team salary total. I’d much rather have a great team player like Hayward in the prime of his career, who can still improve and be a valuable peace, than search for yet another set of bad one-year contracts from veterans without any thought for the future, just so I can go over the minimum team salary.

The Jazz wouldn’t have any problems with the salary cap in the foreseeable future. They’ve signed Favors with a nice deal, they can afford to sign Hayward to the max and still have enough cap space to sign several veterans to fill up their roster with experienced players for several years, until the time comes for new contracts to be given to Exum(if he pans out as a franchise player) and any of Burke, Burks and Kanter if they decide they are worth keeping. I think Hayward is a keeper, even if you have to overpay him right now. He’s better than anything the Jazz can get in free agency for similar money.

The Jazz have a ton of cap space and I don’t see them letting go of Hayward. They have hard time picking up top of the line free agents and in the last years have been taking “bad” one year contracts from other teams(Richard Jefferson, Brandon Rush, Biedrins) just so they can fill up the minimum salary cap. I don’t see why they wouldn’t sign Hayward for a max 15 million next year, when they have 30+ million in cap left or 20+million until they reach the minimum team salary total. I’d much rather have a great team player like Hayward in the prime of his career, who can still improve and be a valuable peace, than search for yet another set of bad one-year contracts from veterans without any thought for the future, just so I can go over the minimum team salary.

The Jazz wouldn’t have any problems with the salary cap in the foreseeable future. They’ve signed Favors with a nice deal, they can afford to sign Hayward to the max and still have enough cap space to sign several veterans to fill up their roster with experienced players for several years, until the time comes for new contracts to be given to Exum(if he pans out as a franchise player) and any of Burke, Burks and Kanter if they decide they are worth keeping. I think Hayward is a keeper, even if you have to overpay him right now. He’s better than anything the Jazz can get in free agency for similar money.

He isn’t worth the max but you almost always have to overpay in free agency, especially restricted free agents.  Giving him the max is the only way to make Utah have second thoughts about matching…  but they probably will anyway.

He isn’t worth the max but you almost always have to overpay in free agency, especially restricted free agents.  Giving him the max is the only way to make Utah have second thoughts about matching…  but they probably will anyway.

 Like was said you’re going to have to overpay to have a chance to get him. They took care of Kyrie and Wiggins won’t need to be taken care of until this contract is up. He was gonna get $12m per year probably. This helps the team. Gives Kyrie targets so now we can see how much of a PG he can be. It puts Waiters where he should be. It let’s Wiggins come along slower than normal because you have established scorers with him. If they can bring back Hawes for a couple years they will mesh into a playoff team and the young guys can grow together. 

Yes, it’s an overpay but by maybe 3-4m per year. I think it’s fine if you want to make the playoffs and grow your young team. 

 Like was said you’re going to have to overpay to have a chance to get him. They took care of Kyrie and Wiggins won’t need to be taken care of until this contract is up. He was gonna get $12m per year probably. This helps the team. Gives Kyrie targets so now we can see how much of a PG he can be. It puts Waiters where he should be. It let’s Wiggins come along slower than normal because you have established scorers with him. If they can bring back Hawes for a couple years they will mesh into a playoff team and the young guys can grow together. 

Yes, it’s an overpay but by maybe 3-4m per year. I think it’s fine if you want to make the playoffs and grow your young team. 

Been saying for a while that he would get a max offer, which I think is 4 years and 62 million.  Is that an overpay? Yes.  But it’s not a gross overpay, only a little bit more then Josh Smith got last year.  The thing I don’t get is fit, not sure he’s the best fit for the Cavs, but he will make them better.  I’d rather give that offer to Monroe and move Thompson to center long term.  Just feel that the Cavs could use inside scoring over a scoring guard.  You just got Wiggins who should be a good scoring guard/forward.  You also have Irving and Waiters, so I don’t see the need for an outside shooter.

Been saying for a while that he would get a max offer, which I think is 4 years and 62 million.  Is that an overpay? Yes.  But it’s not a gross overpay, only a little bit more then Josh Smith got last year.  The thing I don’t get is fit, not sure he’s the best fit for the Cavs, but he will make them better.  I’d rather give that offer to Monroe and move Thompson to center long term.  Just feel that the Cavs could use inside scoring over a scoring guard.  You just got Wiggins who should be a good scoring guard/forward.  You also have Irving and Waiters, so I don’t see the need for an outside shooter.

 It doesn’t matter who is the SF or SG. Hayward is a good defender (not elite, but solid) and Wiggins will probably be better. So Wiggins will defend the best wing and Hayward gets the other one.

What this really means is that Waiters will be moved before his trade value gets lower for being given fewer minutes.
 

 It doesn’t matter who is the SF or SG. Hayward is a good defender (not elite, but solid) and Wiggins will probably be better. So Wiggins will defend the best wing and Hayward gets the other one.

What this really means is that Waiters will be moved before his trade value gets lower for being given fewer minutes.
 

Hayward fits very well in the kind of basketball David Blatt likes to play and I think he can really learn a lot from him. I’m a big fan of Hayward, I don’t know if he’s worth all that money but, as per usual, if you want restricted free agents playing for another team, you have to overpay them, especially if you’re a team playing in a small market where free agent has never wanted to go to even when the best player in the world (well, second best, I forgot about Spanoulis) was there. And it’s not like the Cavs can get other free agents, Parsons is never going there, Luol Deng has already had his 6 months of purgatory and I believe wants out as soon as possible, it’s not like there is a lot available. Lance is scaring the crap out of pretty much any franchise in the league and is a ball dominant player, he doesn’t fit that well next to Kyrie and Waiters and in Blatt’s system. In the end it’s better to get player you need who is an upgrade over what you have, who is young, has potential and plays both ends of the court (most underrated thing in basketball) even if you have to pay more than he might be worth than to just cheer because you haven’t overpaid everyone but you’re stuck with loads of cap space you’re never going to spend.

The Cavs with Kyrie, Hayward, Wiggins are really an intriguing team in the land of awfulness know as eastern conference, especially if they can get something from Varejao and Bennett or get someone who at least looks like a legit starter for their front court. Again, that’s the eastern conference and any team with a chance to make the playoff is an injury to another team’s key or a good match up away from making the conference finals. They still have cap room even with those two max deals (Kyrie’s new contract starts in 2015/16) and it shows they are finally done daydreaming about LeBron’s comeback and moving up.

Last but not least, this free agency shows a clear trend: teams are paying more than what they’re used to because the cap is projected to rise in each of the following seasons. Avery Bradley gettin $8 million per year, Gortat 5 years at 60 million, Jodie Meeks 6 per, CJ Miles 5. Also, probably teams are realizing the cap might make a huge jump when the Tv deal is going to be renegotiated in 2017, so especially for those longer contracts it might be worth to overpay for the first few years, knowing they’re going to be pretty averag salaries down the road (think of Gortat).

Hayward fits very well in the kind of basketball David Blatt likes to play and I think he can really learn a lot from him. I’m a big fan of Hayward, I don’t know if he’s worth all that money but, as per usual, if you want restricted free agents playing for another team, you have to overpay them, especially if you’re a team playing in a small market where free agent has never wanted to go to even when the best player in the world (well, second best, I forgot about Spanoulis) was there. And it’s not like the Cavs can get other free agents, Parsons is never going there, Luol Deng has already had his 6 months of purgatory and I believe wants out as soon as possible, it’s not like there is a lot available. Lance is scaring the crap out of pretty much any franchise in the league and is a ball dominant player, he doesn’t fit that well next to Kyrie and Waiters and in Blatt’s system. In the end it’s better to get player you need who is an upgrade over what you have, who is young, has potential and plays both ends of the court (most underrated thing in basketball) even if you have to pay more than he might be worth than to just cheer because you haven’t overpaid everyone but you’re stuck with loads of cap space you’re never going to spend.

The Cavs with Kyrie, Hayward, Wiggins are really an intriguing team in the land of awfulness know as eastern conference, especially if they can get something from Varejao and Bennett or get someone who at least looks like a legit starter for their front court. Again, that’s the eastern conference and any team with a chance to make the playoff is an injury to another team’s key or a good match up away from making the conference finals. They still have cap room even with those two max deals (Kyrie’s new contract starts in 2015/16) and it shows they are finally done daydreaming about LeBron’s comeback and moving up.

Last but not least, this free agency shows a clear trend: teams are paying more than what they’re used to because the cap is projected to rise in each of the following seasons. Avery Bradley gettin $8 million per year, Gortat 5 years at 60 million, Jodie Meeks 6 per, CJ Miles 5. Also, probably teams are realizing the cap might make a huge jump when the Tv deal is going to be renegotiated in 2017, so especially for those longer contracts it might be worth to overpay for the first few years, knowing they’re going to be pretty averag salaries down the road (think of Gortat).

if hayward get max. will chandler and stepenson get max?

if hayward get max. will chandler and stepenson get max?

 I don’t love Hayward, but you have to overpay to sign RFAs without having the other team match. 

 I don’t love Hayward, but you have to overpay to sign RFAs without having the other team match. 

The Cavs can’t help themselves from being the Cavs. All the luck in the world can’t help them. They have been desperately chasing things since LeBron left, and have not had a coherent plan as to what they actually want to look like and do well. On a team with Anderson Varejao, Tristan Thompson, and Tyler Zeller (far from great but relatively competent if put in the right position), they chased an injured Andrew Bynum on the hopes that Cleveland would be the place he regain the form he had when he was a supporting player who played off Kobe, Pau, and Lamar Odom in 2010. They gave Earl Clark guaranteed money because he made jumpers for two months in LA. They chased a system player in Luol Deng, and sent him to the corner. Surprise! If you don’t put him in the position he was in Chicago, he won’t be the same player. If the team doesn’t guard anyone, Deng isn’t going to magically fix things on that end. They draft Kyrie Irving, and then use subsequent drafts and free agency to acquire guys (Waiters and Jack) who take the ball out of his hands, not complement his ability to create. Still, they give Irving a max deal. Now, they want to pursue someone and offer star money to someone who was just made the most important player in Utah a year ago and led them to be one of the worst teams in a league that had the Bucks and Sixers. When the Jazz were led by Jefferson and Millsap, it was the perimeter players who kept them in the middle of the road. After letting them go, it was the perimeter players who led them to getting a top five pick, and it is Cleveland who wants to pay one of those guys like it was an accomplishment.

The Cavs can’t help themselves from being the Cavs. All the luck in the world can’t help them. They have been desperately chasing things since LeBron left, and have not had a coherent plan as to what they actually want to look like and do well. On a team with Anderson Varejao, Tristan Thompson, and Tyler Zeller (far from great but relatively competent if put in the right position), they chased an injured Andrew Bynum on the hopes that Cleveland would be the place he regain the form he had when he was a supporting player who played off Kobe, Pau, and Lamar Odom in 2010. They gave Earl Clark guaranteed money because he made jumpers for two months in LA. They chased a system player in Luol Deng, and sent him to the corner. Surprise! If you don’t put him in the position he was in Chicago, he won’t be the same player. If the team doesn’t guard anyone, Deng isn’t going to magically fix things on that end. They draft Kyrie Irving, and then use subsequent drafts and free agency to acquire guys (Waiters and Jack) who take the ball out of his hands, not complement his ability to create. Still, they give Irving a max deal. Now, they want to pursue someone and offer star money to someone who was just made the most important player in Utah a year ago and led them to be one of the worst teams in a league that had the Bucks and Sixers. When the Jazz were led by Jefferson and Millsap, it was the perimeter players who kept them in the middle of the road. After letting them go, it was the perimeter players who led them to getting a top five pick, and it is Cleveland who wants to pay one of those guys like it was an accomplishment.

 The Cavs are not the pistons they do not dash out and waste their cap  space the first chance they get. The reports have already been refuted by multriple sources including hayward himself.

 The Cavs are not the pistons they do not dash out and waste their cap  space the first chance they get. The reports have already been refuted by multriple sources including hayward himself.

 That is overpaying a bit for Gordon but the Jazz may look at it as it not being a max deal that they could have offered so if they match it they have not had to make Gordon a big offer to stay. They have a load of cap space so can match Gordon’s offer and put a nice deal on the table to Enes Kanter as well.

 That is overpaying a bit for Gordon but the Jazz may look at it as it not being a max deal that they could have offered so if they match it they have not had to make Gordon a big offer to stay. They have a load of cap space so can match Gordon’s offer and put a nice deal on the table to Enes Kanter as well.

It may have been mentioned once but a big deal in regards to paying a max contract is the new TV deal that will boost the salary cap . A max contract is determined by how many year the player has, he gets a certain percentage of the cap, Hayward’s max is like 25% or something in that neighborhood and with the cap going up because of the TV contract his salary won’t be nearly as negative . I think the Jazz will match, he is important to their future and a major asset among their young assets.

It may have been mentioned once but a big deal in regards to paying a max contract is the new TV deal that will boost the salary cap . A max contract is determined by how many year the player has, he gets a certain percentage of the cap, Hayward’s max is like 25% or something in that neighborhood and with the cap going up because of the TV contract his salary won’t be nearly as negative . I think the Jazz will match, he is important to their future and a major asset among their young assets.

Well according to Woj the Cavs haven’t yet extended any official offer to Hayward and they are considering not doing it because they think Utah will match any offer. Personally, if I’m Utah I don’t know if I’m going to match a max offer, they already gave a big contract to Favors and I’m not sure I’d love to committ almost $30 million between him and Hayward, considering they play in the West.

Well according to Woj the Cavs haven’t yet extended any official offer to Hayward and they are considering not doing it because they think Utah will match any offer. Personally, if I’m Utah I don’t know if I’m going to match a max offer, they already gave a big contract to Favors and I’m not sure I’d love to committ almost $30 million between him and Hayward, considering they play in the West.