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- Posted on: Sat, 06/28/2014 - 5:05am #56930
Ghost01ParticipantAs it appears the Heat are going to get both Wade and Bosh to opt out, I just wanted to make a few points about the Heat as they currently stand:
1. As bad as it would be to pay Wade and Bosh $40 million next year, they will still end up making more than they are worth. A 3 point shooting big man who doesn’t rebound, in my world is worth about $12 million a year. Wade is worth about 8 or 9 and even that is mostly based on reputation
2. The "Free Agent" options aren’t as great as the Heat think. Toronto or another team is going to offer Lowry over 50 million. He was great last year, and this idea he’s going to take some 3 for 27 deal from Miami or something is just stupid.
3. Ariza would add depth, but does nothing to fix there PG or rim protection problems..
4. Maybe drafting Napier makes LeBron happy, but he’s a 6 foot guard who was a mid 2nd rounder until the NCAA tournament. Great run by him, but hes really a good college player that doesn’t have the size or athletic ability to be the NBA player LeBron and others think. There is a reason over 2/3s of the league passed on him, in favors of guys that included The Brazilian Kevin Durant.
5. The Heat can continue to dominate the East, no question, but adding a couple of role players doesn’t change their championship hopes. Wade and Bosh will continue to decline, and their best move from a pure basketball standpoint would be to let Wade walk. That will never happen, but Wade is basically just a body out there who is nothing more than an average 2 guard. To beat San Antonio, or OKC, or whatever teams the Clippers and Rockets field the next few years, LeBron needs real help. Not Gortat. Not Ariza. As long as the wagon is hitched to Wade and Bosh, the Heat are going to have a tough go winning another title.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 06/28/2014 - 5:38am #929408
druneave3ParticipantI agree with all of your points except #5, and I like Napier a little bit. He will be able to score. The Heat’s inability to improve this roster enough is the reason why I thought LeBron would bolt. Even adding Lowry, which probably won’t happen because of the $ like you said, wouldn’t necessarily put them over the top. Melo isn’t what they need either (PG, youth, defense, rim protection) and wouldn’t gaurantee them anything either. The off-season is still young and you cannot predict what other teams in the East will look like. While I don’t think Melo is going anywhere, we have to wait and see. Bulls could have a healthy Rose, Mirotic, another small FA, and Thibs running plays for McDermott. The Pacers could improve with addition by subtraction with Turner (and possibly Lance). Or Lance could mature and take another step forward. Then there is Wall/Beal and several other young talented teams that are up and coming in the East.
I know the Spurs play in the Finals was near perfection but not sure you can say the Heat are guaranteed anything after their abysmal performance.
The real issues remain Wade’s body, and Bosh’s role/mentality. Two things that I don’t think can be fixed.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 06/28/2014 - 5:38am #929275
druneave3ParticipantI agree with all of your points except #5, and I like Napier a little bit. He will be able to score. The Heat’s inability to improve this roster enough is the reason why I thought LeBron would bolt. Even adding Lowry, which probably won’t happen because of the $ like you said, wouldn’t necessarily put them over the top. Melo isn’t what they need either (PG, youth, defense, rim protection) and wouldn’t gaurantee them anything either. The off-season is still young and you cannot predict what other teams in the East will look like. While I don’t think Melo is going anywhere, we have to wait and see. Bulls could have a healthy Rose, Mirotic, another small FA, and Thibs running plays for McDermott. The Pacers could improve with addition by subtraction with Turner (and possibly Lance). Or Lance could mature and take another step forward. Then there is Wall/Beal and several other young talented teams that are up and coming in the East.
I know the Spurs play in the Finals was near perfection but not sure you can say the Heat are guaranteed anything after their abysmal performance.
The real issues remain Wade’s body, and Bosh’s role/mentality. Two things that I don’t think can be fixed.
0- Posted on: Sat, 06/28/2014 - 5:52am #929284
Ghost01ParticipantRight, whatever they add is fine but the real problem is they are going to continue to operate as if Wade is an All Star. He sat out 30 games this year and still sucked in the finals.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 06/28/2014 - 5:52am #929416
Ghost01ParticipantRight, whatever they add is fine but the real problem is they are going to continue to operate as if Wade is an All Star. He sat out 30 games this year and still sucked in the finals.
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- Posted on: Sat, 06/28/2014 - 5:54am #929286
RUDEBOY_Participantwade had a pretty good season,despite missing 25 games..i disagree with u saying he deserves 8 or 9 mill becuz of his reputation,he’s still a top 5 sg in the nba right now…..he played well in the eastern conference playoffs… the spurs made him look washed up,against the spurs he shot 43%fg,69% ft and averaged more turnovers..
according to several reports in miami,that lowry to miami is a done deal,but wont be announced until july….
0- Posted on: Sat, 06/28/2014 - 6:26am #929297
KingslayerParticipantWade is still a top 5 talent at shooting guard, but that’ doesn’t mean he is one of the 5 best in the league anymore. I have always been a fan of his game, but he simply can’t compete for very long anymore before his body lets him down. The heat did a perfect job of conserving him for the playoffs this year, and he still struggled with injuries throughout the season. It was sad to see him appear so old and slow in the finals. He simply could not keep it up that long. Durability is an important factor in judging how "good" a player is.
Having said that, I highly doubt wade would opt out of over 40 million guaranteed without a "deal" agreed to in principle for something like 4 yrs/50-60 million.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 06/28/2014 - 6:26am #929430
KingslayerParticipantWade is still a top 5 talent at shooting guard, but that’ doesn’t mean he is one of the 5 best in the league anymore. I have always been a fan of his game, but he simply can’t compete for very long anymore before his body lets him down. The heat did a perfect job of conserving him for the playoffs this year, and he still struggled with injuries throughout the season. It was sad to see him appear so old and slow in the finals. He simply could not keep it up that long. Durability is an important factor in judging how "good" a player is.
Having said that, I highly doubt wade would opt out of over 40 million guaranteed without a "deal" agreed to in principle for something like 4 yrs/50-60 million.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 06/28/2014 - 6:56am #929311
Ghost01ParticipantHe sat out 30 games in the regular season. its not hard to put up good numbers when you sit out almost half of the games and play with LeBron.
He was good against Indiana, until game 5 when they put Paul George on him and he looked so beyond outclassed and overmatched it was really sad.
In the Finals, he was out played by Danny Green and Manu Ginobli, neither of which I would put in the "Top 5" catergory.
Stop looking at regular season numbers and shooting percentages and look how he plays.
He gets most of points at the FT line and in transition. He can’t hit outside shots, he kills Miami’s spacing, and he can’t even play every night.
He flops and looks for fouls constantly, doesn’t get back on defense and when he is back there is subpar at best.
He just isn’t good anymore…there isn’t one game in these playoffs where I said "Wow, theres the Wade from a few years ago". He’s done.
0- Posted on: Sat, 06/28/2014 - 7:24am #929335
WhodunitParticipantWhen he was at his peak he was a pure wrecking ball on both sides of the court. We all knew once his athleticism went, his days were numbered. But he is a top 5 SG of all time no doubt about that.
I remember thinking "Ok, its Wade-time now!" when LBJ went out of game 1 of the finals with the cramps with about 4mins left in the 4th. Was sad seeing him know himself he didn’t have enough to try and mount a come back as the lead. His confidence is definitely shaken, im sure this is the hardest time ever for him in his career. Those knees aren’t getting better no matter how much he rests, cuz he’ll only be W.O.W. every 4th game.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 06/28/2014 - 7:24am #929468
WhodunitParticipantWhen he was at his peak he was a pure wrecking ball on both sides of the court. We all knew once his athleticism went, his days were numbered. But he is a top 5 SG of all time no doubt about that.
I remember thinking "Ok, its Wade-time now!" when LBJ went out of game 1 of the finals with the cramps with about 4mins left in the 4th. Was sad seeing him know himself he didn’t have enough to try and mount a come back as the lead. His confidence is definitely shaken, im sure this is the hardest time ever for him in his career. Those knees aren’t getting better no matter how much he rests, cuz he’ll only be W.O.W. every 4th game.
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- Posted on: Sat, 06/28/2014 - 6:56am #929444
Ghost01ParticipantHe sat out 30 games in the regular season. its not hard to put up good numbers when you sit out almost half of the games and play with LeBron.
He was good against Indiana, until game 5 when they put Paul George on him and he looked so beyond outclassed and overmatched it was really sad.
In the Finals, he was out played by Danny Green and Manu Ginobli, neither of which I would put in the "Top 5" catergory.
Stop looking at regular season numbers and shooting percentages and look how he plays.
He gets most of points at the FT line and in transition. He can’t hit outside shots, he kills Miami’s spacing, and he can’t even play every night.
He flops and looks for fouls constantly, doesn’t get back on defense and when he is back there is subpar at best.
He just isn’t good anymore…there isn’t one game in these playoffs where I said "Wow, theres the Wade from a few years ago". He’s done.
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- Posted on: Sat, 06/28/2014 - 5:54am #929418
RUDEBOY_Participantwade had a pretty good season,despite missing 25 games..i disagree with u saying he deserves 8 or 9 mill becuz of his reputation,he’s still a top 5 sg in the nba right now…..he played well in the eastern conference playoffs… the spurs made him look washed up,against the spurs he shot 43%fg,69% ft and averaged more turnovers..
according to several reports in miami,that lowry to miami is a done deal,but wont be announced until july….
0 - Posted on: Sat, 06/28/2014 - 7:18am #929333
WhodunitParticipantSay LBJ resigns for $20M+ Bosh at $15M +Wade at $15M that leaves them with about $11M to spend on other players in free agency. ($50M +Napier+Cole-$63M= about $11M)
-First need is a rim protector
-Perimeter guys 3+D types
-Athletic Wing Scorers
-Back up Big man (it amazes me that for the whole 4years Miami never addressed this issue until it took a chance on Oden last year. Every offseason i expected they’d get one and always nothing)
I think they bring back Birdman for 2years here, team option on the 2nd year.
-Veteran guys hungry for a ring with leadership and poise
-Ray Allen for his final season
Some guys to consider:
Pau
Luol Deng
Gortat
Blazemore
Shawn Marion
Patty Mills
Shaun Livingston
Rodney Stuckey
Andray Blatche
Grievis Vasquez
Danny Granger
Kris Humphries
Jodie Meeks
Ramon Sessions
Jordan Hill
Jerryd Bayless
Mike Miller
Mo Williams
Darren Collison
Caron Butler
Brian Roberts
CJ Miles
Mike Scott
Dejuan Blair
Drew Gooden
Chris Kaman
Richard Jefferson
Okafor
Elton Brand
Big Baby Davis
Xavier Henry
Jordan Hamilton
Anthony Tolliver
Kevin Seraphin
Ivan Johnson
Jan Vesely
Trevor Booker
Lavoy Allen
Ekpe Udoh
Earl Clark
Nazr Mohammed
Jeremy Tyler
Stephen Jackson
Cole Aldrich
….These are the guys that would make sense for Miami. Its a long list but not everyone will want to pla for less $ in Miami for a shot at a ring. Which players would you sign with $11M in capspace? State player, $ and length of contract so it looks realistic enough to us.
0- Posted on: Sat, 06/28/2014 - 7:57am #929355
tuck243Participantwhat they need isn’t in the league… A big man that can defend, block shots, rebound, and hit open 3’s… That’s a 2k player… Not an NBA player… So, whatever big man they can get off the bench to at least defend, block shots, and rebound will be helpful… Wait, they had that in Birdman :-(…
So, they need to complete their roster with solid players off the bench. So, getting someone that can get their own shot is a need, but they also need to be able to hit an open 3… Mo Will maybe? They also need a big man that can protect around the basket and score the ball I guess… So, Okafor or Jordan Hill would be good for them as well… Outside of that, getting shooters all around is something that offense needs. Adding Mike Miller again and Rashard Lewis will definitely do it for them…
0 - Posted on: Sat, 06/28/2014 - 7:57am #929488
tuck243Participantwhat they need isn’t in the league… A big man that can defend, block shots, rebound, and hit open 3’s… That’s a 2k player… Not an NBA player… So, whatever big man they can get off the bench to at least defend, block shots, and rebound will be helpful… Wait, they had that in Birdman :-(…
So, they need to complete their roster with solid players off the bench. So, getting someone that can get their own shot is a need, but they also need to be able to hit an open 3… Mo Will maybe? They also need a big man that can protect around the basket and score the ball I guess… So, Okafor or Jordan Hill would be good for them as well… Outside of that, getting shooters all around is something that offense needs. Adding Mike Miller again and Rashard Lewis will definitely do it for them…
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- Posted on: Sat, 06/28/2014 - 7:18am #929466
WhodunitParticipantSay LBJ resigns for $20M+ Bosh at $15M +Wade at $15M that leaves them with about $11M to spend on other players in free agency. ($50M +Napier+Cole-$63M= about $11M)
-First need is a rim protector
-Perimeter guys 3+D types
-Athletic Wing Scorers
-Back up Big man (it amazes me that for the whole 4years Miami never addressed this issue until it took a chance on Oden last year. Every offseason i expected they’d get one and always nothing)
I think they bring back Birdman for 2years here, team option on the 2nd year.
-Veteran guys hungry for a ring with leadership and poise
-Ray Allen for his final season
Some guys to consider:
Pau
Luol Deng
Gortat
Blazemore
Shawn Marion
Patty Mills
Shaun Livingston
Rodney Stuckey
Andray Blatche
Grievis Vasquez
Danny Granger
Kris Humphries
Jodie Meeks
Ramon Sessions
Jordan Hill
Jerryd Bayless
Mike Miller
Mo Williams
Darren Collison
Caron Butler
Brian Roberts
CJ Miles
Mike Scott
Dejuan Blair
Drew Gooden
Chris Kaman
Richard Jefferson
Okafor
Elton Brand
Big Baby Davis
Xavier Henry
Jordan Hamilton
Anthony Tolliver
Kevin Seraphin
Ivan Johnson
Jan Vesely
Trevor Booker
Lavoy Allen
Ekpe Udoh
Earl Clark
Nazr Mohammed
Jeremy Tyler
Stephen Jackson
Cole Aldrich
….These are the guys that would make sense for Miami. Its a long list but not everyone will want to pla for less $ in Miami for a shot at a ring. Which players would you sign with $11M in capspace? State player, $ and length of contract so it looks realistic enough to us.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 06/28/2014 - 7:44am #929349
tuck243Participantwhich is extremely sad for him… I still think he’s one of the best PF’s in the league (I think he’s top 5 still) and a TOP teammate. Any All-Star player that goes from being the best player on his team to the 3rd best is making a huge sacrifice… He maybe took the biggest sacrifice than any other superstar in recent history… He changed his game so much to make it work in Miami… The thanks he gets is to be UNDERPAID again? Wait, let me correct myself, to be paid WORSE than what he made when he went there the first time? Even though he shoots 3’s and jump shots and on a team with LeBron James, you still have to go to your big man… Bosh is under used and unappreciated in Miami’s system… He doesn’t grab that many rebounds because he’s forced to play the perimeter. And on defense he’s forced to play against the opposing team’s big Center… He doesn’t get hid on defense like Wade… After LeBron, Bosh is the Heat’s MVP… Don’t disrespect that man like that.
I see it with Wade, because he refused to add anything to his game to help the team. They needed him to get an open 3pt shot and he didn’t… He sat out 30 games and still came back being a victim in the Finals… They couldn’t stretch the floor with him in the lineup… He’s not worth $12 Million IMO opinion, but will at least get $15 Mil…
The Heat need a center that can protect the bucket… I don’t think they need Kyle Lowery right now… They also need a scorer off the bench if Wade doesn’t want to be a 6th man like Manu… Maybe finding a way to get McGee or someone like that will be helpful to the cause… But if they going to continue to play a stretch 5 then I don’t see who they can get to help… There’s no one in the league that’s able to stretch the floor out to the 3pt line and defend the pick & roll/protect the paint… Bosh is the only one that can somewhat, but he’s not great at it as you can see…
To make this simple… Wade have to get a 3pt shot… Then you wouldn’t need your big man to spread the floor out that far because Wade’s defender wouldn’t help too much anymore… Miami has options, but adding players at spots when they have bigger problems is dumb IMO… The bench, Wade’s 3pt shot, and a rim protector/ true center is what they really need. Also, I don’t like how teams want to completely change the look of a team because they lost in the FINALS… Especially to a team that shot 91% in a half w/o their best players dominating. Getting Kyle Lowery doesn’t make sense because in order to be effective he needs the ball in his hands… That’s why I always said Chalmers was perfect for them because he can shoot the open 3 and defend his man… Getting Lowery and placing him in Chalmers role is a waste of money that could’ve went elsewhere IMO…
0 - Posted on: Sat, 06/28/2014 - 7:44am #929482
tuck243Participantwhich is extremely sad for him… I still think he’s one of the best PF’s in the league (I think he’s top 5 still) and a TOP teammate. Any All-Star player that goes from being the best player on his team to the 3rd best is making a huge sacrifice… He maybe took the biggest sacrifice than any other superstar in recent history… He changed his game so much to make it work in Miami… The thanks he gets is to be UNDERPAID again? Wait, let me correct myself, to be paid WORSE than what he made when he went there the first time? Even though he shoots 3’s and jump shots and on a team with LeBron James, you still have to go to your big man… Bosh is under used and unappreciated in Miami’s system… He doesn’t grab that many rebounds because he’s forced to play the perimeter. And on defense he’s forced to play against the opposing team’s big Center… He doesn’t get hid on defense like Wade… After LeBron, Bosh is the Heat’s MVP… Don’t disrespect that man like that.
I see it with Wade, because he refused to add anything to his game to help the team. They needed him to get an open 3pt shot and he didn’t… He sat out 30 games and still came back being a victim in the Finals… They couldn’t stretch the floor with him in the lineup… He’s not worth $12 Million IMO opinion, but will at least get $15 Mil…
The Heat need a center that can protect the bucket… I don’t think they need Kyle Lowery right now… They also need a scorer off the bench if Wade doesn’t want to be a 6th man like Manu… Maybe finding a way to get McGee or someone like that will be helpful to the cause… But if they going to continue to play a stretch 5 then I don’t see who they can get to help… There’s no one in the league that’s able to stretch the floor out to the 3pt line and defend the pick & roll/protect the paint… Bosh is the only one that can somewhat, but he’s not great at it as you can see…
To make this simple… Wade have to get a 3pt shot… Then you wouldn’t need your big man to spread the floor out that far because Wade’s defender wouldn’t help too much anymore… Miami has options, but adding players at spots when they have bigger problems is dumb IMO… The bench, Wade’s 3pt shot, and a rim protector/ true center is what they really need. Also, I don’t like how teams want to completely change the look of a team because they lost in the FINALS… Especially to a team that shot 91% in a half w/o their best players dominating. Getting Kyle Lowery doesn’t make sense because in order to be effective he needs the ball in his hands… That’s why I always said Chalmers was perfect for them because he can shoot the open 3 and defend his man… Getting Lowery and placing him in Chalmers role is a waste of money that could’ve went elsewhere IMO…
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