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    Burymeinakobebryantnumber8
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    In my opinion they’re is a reason why Phoenix went after another pg again in this draft! They already have four now on this roster after picking Tyler ennis who I like a lil! U have dragic who worked we’ll wit Bledsoe and also have ish smith! So why grab another? Ur that high on ennis!??? We’ll now this goes to Bledsoe who is a restricted free agent and obviously teams are going to throw money at and good money at that! I jus think Phoenix did this with the idea of letting him walk now because dragic is under contract! So that leaves my lakers who have always been high on Bledsoe and have attempted to trade for him before ! So I think he would make a great fit for la! Him kobe maybe Ariza or melo and randle and re sign pau to 2 yr 15-18 mill! That’s a squad even if it’s Ariza over melo! To me that’s a significant upgrade and with Bledsoe and melo that’s a top 5 team in west! What u guys think ? Pg -Bledsoe sg -Kobe sf-melo or Ariza pf-j randle c-pau then you got a high energy youthful with bench clarkson farmar Meeks Xavier Henry Wes Johnson Kent bazemore Ryan Kelly sacre that to me is a playoff team even with Ariza or melo and if u wanna save money and jus Pay Bledsoe then we can play wes Johnson or bazemore at 3 and bench would still be good with farmar Meeks Xavier and kelly

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    Lol lakers fans are so delusional

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  • #928986
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    Lol lakers fans are so delusional

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  • #928860
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    Burymeinakobebryantnumber8
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    Sign mark Jackson as head coach and that’s the icing on the topping of a team if they get Bledsoe and melo plan b should be parsons or Ariza and that’s a top 4 west team with randle Kobe and pau. Good mix of youth and veterans plus young athletic bench

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    Burymeinakobebryantnumber8
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    Sign mark Jackson as head coach and that’s the icing on the topping of a team if they get Bledsoe and melo plan b should be parsons or Ariza and that’s a top 4 west team with randle Kobe and pau. Good mix of youth and veterans plus young athletic bench

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  • #928864
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    Ballinmvp
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    I fully expect the sins to keep Bledsoe, Ennis is more insurance if Bledsoe or dragic get injuried

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    Ballinmvp
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    I fully expect the sins to keep Bledsoe, Ennis is more insurance if Bledsoe or dragic get injuried

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    Burymeinakobebryantnumber8
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     @lebrons hairline yu mad cuz ur hairline is like lebrons and ur team don’t got 16 championships it’s got 16 seconds til your hairline gone

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    Burymeinakobebryantnumber8
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     @lebrons hairline yu mad cuz ur hairline is like lebrons and ur team don’t got 16 championships it’s got 16 seconds til your hairline gone

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     Honestly I was thinking more of a lineup of Kryie at pg, Kobe at sg, Melo at sf, Lebron at pf and Love at C. 

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     Honestly I was thinking more of a lineup of Kryie at pg, Kobe at sg, Melo at sf, Lebron at pf and Love at C. 

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    raymondlyf
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    is Paul George still coming to the Lakers?

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  • #928931
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    raymondlyf
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    is Paul George still coming to the Lakers?

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  • #929094
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    SwatLakeCity
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     Okay…(don’t agree with you at all) Here’s my argument for the Suns pick of Tyler Ennis.

    Going into this year the Suns were expected to be like the 76ers and be built from the ground up. We saw that both teams had just got new management in 2013 before the draft, so understandably both GM’s wanted to dismantle the current team’s foundation and start building the team from the ground up. The Sixers did that by trading Jrue Holiday, Spencer Hawes, Andrew Bynum, Evan Turner and soon Thaddeuos Young. (Or maybe Hinkie will keep him because he is that high on Young, doubt it, but its a thought)

    The Suns did that too by getting rid of Kendall Marshall, and getting Eric Bledsoe. They didn’t expect Bledsoe to be that good from day one. They expected him to be that good in the future. Well, mission accomplished ahead of schedule. An added bonus. Because they didn’t expect Bledsoe to be good from day one they went and got a veteran PG in Dragic to help his development. But as the Suns found out, much to their surprise, Bledsoe had a sharp learning curve and was able to play well from day one. Again, added bonus, so the Suns just stuck him next to Dragic in the starting lineup and glorified in how awesome, fast, and good the backcourt of Bledsoe and Dragic was. Then going into the 2013 draft, McDonaugh drafted the position that most of us believe to be the foundation of a good team, a young defensive center. He probably didn’t get the best one available in the 2013 draft but that is beside the point (The reason why he drafted Len over Noel was because Len was very similar to Noel yet he didn’t any injury concerns. Well, okay one injury concern, but it wasn’t as serious as Noel’s was.) He knew Len was a very raw Center that needed time to develop. He wanted to develop Len the same way he planned to develop Bledsoe, with veteran leadership. So he got Okafor by trading away Marcin Gortat to be the veteran for Len to develop his game after him and learn from him. McDonaugh knew that Okafor wouldn’t be able to start, he knew Okafor was washed up and would never be the player he used to be, and certainly not the player he was drafted to be. But he didn’t care, he wanted Okafor for Len to learn from. To not make the same mistakes Okafor did, to develop his game after the way Okafor’s game was before the injuries, not to start but just to teach Len from the sidelines. But McDonaugh knew that Okafor wouldn’t be able to start just be there for Len to learn from, but he couldn’t start Len either because he was raw, so he went and got Miles Plumlee who is still young himself, but older than Len. He did that by trading Louis Scola to Pacers for Plumee, Gerald Green and a draft pick. Plumlee was thought to be a good backup career center, but surprise surprise he actually turned to be pretty good in the starting lineup. Okay not great, but still decent for a starting center. Much better than what he and the rest of the Suns expected. (In the future, once McDonaugh believes Len is fully developed and ready to start I expect him to replace Plumlee and start. Plumlee will probably then be traded to a team for assets, draft picks or just young players who can start alongside Bledsoe, Goodwin, and now Warren in the future. I expect the same thing to happen to Dragic when Goodwin is ready start full time. But I don’t expect Plumlee or Dragic to be dealt this offseason but probably 2-3 years down the road. Maybe 1 if on of the younger players is ready)

    Then he started his rebuild with young players who have bright futures, and solid veterans for each of the young players to learn from. The Suns starting lineup was Plumlee, Frye, Gerald Green, Dragic and Bledsoe. A lineup that most of us thought would struggle, and this team would have a high lottery pick. Well McDonaugh went out and got a superb coach in Jeff Hornacek, and quickly erased any kind of doubt we might have had about his team. That was definitely a suprise to me, but now I see why it worked. The Suns are built (or are going to be) much the Jazz were. A very young team with a bright future and solid veterans at every spot to help those young players develop. So the veterans would provide the solid leadership and the young guys would just fill in the missing spots. The only difference between the Suns and the Jazz is that the Suns are built with a steep learning curve. (Well maybe not that steep, the Jazz started their rebuild in 2010, with not even their own draft pick. Hayward was drafted with the 9th pick and that pick came from the Knicks. Then that year they dealt Deron Williams and got a draft pick from the Nets and Derrick Favors, which they used on Kanter, then with their own pick at 12 they got Burks. In 2012 they didn’t have a lottery pick or a pick in the first round, but in 2013 they just had their own pick at 14 and pick from the Warriors at 21, which they dealt both to get Trey Burke. So basically the Jazz built their young team with 2 high lottery picks that were not even their own, then the rest was just low lottery picks. The Suns did the same thing and got what is the expected result a team that almost made the playoffs) They Suns overachieved but no matter, this draft was deep and the Suns could still great talent at an allbeit low lottery selection and they had two more picks in the first round that weren’t even theirs to begin with! (The entire 2014 first round was basically players that all would be lottery level talent so the Suns really couldn’t wrong with the 14, 18th, and the 27th picks in this good of a draft.) Now realize this, McDonanough is building this team to last, meaning that the rebuild will take 2-3 years just as the Jazz’s rebuild has. It is not a fast rebuild. No matter how many picks the Suns have and nor does it matter if those picks are in extremely deep draft like 2014 was or in a normal draft. Stockpiling assets(picks) and talent is all just part of the process. 

    So onto the 18th pick of Tyler Ennis. Like I said, this team overachieved much to the surprise of everyone including the Suns themselves. So going into this draft McDonaugh probably had a different goal than what he expected to have. He expected to just stockpile talent like Hinkie did with the Sixers. But instead the Suns did so well that he just decided to build from there and this team would make the playoffs way ahead of schedule. So with the 18th pick he looked him team, and asked himself one question: How can I get from point A to point B or how can I get from a low lottery or basketball purgatory to young playoff team with promise? Well to answer he looked at his team and what happened during the course of the season. Well lets see they overachieved, they thought they were gonna make the playoffs, but just barely missed, but a key reason why that didn’t happen was because of injuries to both of his backcourt. Both Dragic and Bledsoe got hurt during the season forcing the Suns use young and inexperienced players in Ish Smith and Goodwin in the backcourt. Well of course that backcourt didn’t work and it cost the Suns some very costly games. McDonaugh asked himself how can I build on that season? Well, Goodwin, is young and talented. Very athletic, he just needs to develop and that will come especially with the help of Dragic. Maybe the SG is filled, but certainly not at SF, and PF. At Center, he has Len who is also young, and developing like Goodwin, and should learn well from Okafor as well as Plumlee. So Center is probably filled too. But look back at the backcourt again of Ish Smith and Goodwin. Ish Smith didn’t do a very good job of filling in for the injured Bledsoe or even Dragic. Well, okay he isn’t that good in the first place so he did the best he could but still not as good as Bledsoe or Dragic. So that cost the Suns some games and ultimately a playoff spot. 

    That’s the need the Suns had going into the draft. McDonaugh found it and capitalized on the excellent talent available in this draft. Now here’s why he selected Ennis over Napier. (Its very similar to what the Kings had to do) He had his goal: find a BACKUP point guard. He didn’t need a starting PG just a backup PG. He wasn’t gonna trash the team and try and start again from the ground up, so no Bledsoe does not leave the Suns and nor does Dragic for that matter. At least not right now, in the future (like 2-3 years down the road when McDonaugh believes Goodwin is fully developed he will probably trade Dragic but certainly not Bledsoe not even in two or 3 years.) The Suns just needed a backup PG. And that’s exactly what Ennis will be for the Suns backup PG that will be better than Ish Smith. Mission accomplished. Next year I bet the Suns get a PF in what is expected to be a very good bigman draft. They might not make the playoffs this year but they might surprise us and actually get there. If they don’t no worries, just select a PF in the lottery, keep the Morris twins as backup and veteran players to help that PF learn and develop, then they’ll be set and ready to make the playoffs a year or two ahead of schedule. If they do look like they look like they will make the playoffs, then I expect Dragic to be traded for a pick or 2 so Goodwin can start and continue his development (Phase 2 in otherwords). Then McDonaugh will select young, great talents with those 2 or 3 picks in the first round (his own, and one or 2 from another team in the Dragic trade) One will be a PF, and we will what the other one or two picks are. And, voila, the Suns make the playoffs year or 2 ahead of schedule. 

    When I wrote this post I didn’t think about it or even realize it but the Suns are built very similar to how the Jazz were built and are being built. Now I like the Suns even more! (Ok, not as much as the Jazz but still nice team and great idea!) Maybe that’s how Jeff Hornacek, a former Jazz assistant, got the head coaching job last year with the Suns. He just told McDonaugh that he thinks the Suns should be built like the Jazz are and are being built (Like the Spurs, since Dennis Lindsey, the Jazz’s GM is from the Spurs), and how he planned to do that with the players that McDonaugh would draft. And look at this the Jazz drafted Trey Burke last year, who is very comparable to Tyler Ennis. Both will probably be backups for the rest of their careers, but great 4th quarter clutch scorers who can get their team points when they need it the most. They are very cerebral players, and know how the team game of basketball works. They are both in the Western Conference and their is a fierce rivalry between the Jazz and the Suns. (ok maybe not as fierce as the Jazz and Lakers, but still a pretty good rivalry) I am excited to see Ennis go up against Burke. I read from a few ESPN analysts who said that Ennis was better than Burke in the long run, well now that Ennis is on the Suns, and the Suns and Jazz have quite a rivalry, I’d like to test that judgement and see who really is the better player. I’m excited to see how Burke and Ennis develop. Who’s the better player. This should be fun to watch!!

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #928963
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    SwatLakeCity
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     Okay…(don’t agree with you at all) Here’s my argument for the Suns pick of Tyler Ennis.

    Going into this year the Suns were expected to be like the 76ers and be built from the ground up. We saw that both teams had just got new management in 2013 before the draft, so understandably both GM’s wanted to dismantle the current team’s foundation and start building the team from the ground up. The Sixers did that by trading Jrue Holiday, Spencer Hawes, Andrew Bynum, Evan Turner and soon Thaddeuos Young. (Or maybe Hinkie will keep him because he is that high on Young, doubt it, but its a thought)

    The Suns did that too by getting rid of Kendall Marshall, and getting Eric Bledsoe. They didn’t expect Bledsoe to be that good from day one. They expected him to be that good in the future. Well, mission accomplished ahead of schedule. An added bonus. Because they didn’t expect Bledsoe to be good from day one they went and got a veteran PG in Dragic to help his development. But as the Suns found out, much to their surprise, Bledsoe had a sharp learning curve and was able to play well from day one. Again, added bonus, so the Suns just stuck him next to Dragic in the starting lineup and glorified in how awesome, fast, and good the backcourt of Bledsoe and Dragic was. Then going into the 2013 draft, McDonaugh drafted the position that most of us believe to be the foundation of a good team, a young defensive center. He probably didn’t get the best one available in the 2013 draft but that is beside the point (The reason why he drafted Len over Noel was because Len was very similar to Noel yet he didn’t any injury concerns. Well, okay one injury concern, but it wasn’t as serious as Noel’s was.) He knew Len was a very raw Center that needed time to develop. He wanted to develop Len the same way he planned to develop Bledsoe, with veteran leadership. So he got Okafor by trading away Marcin Gortat to be the veteran for Len to develop his game after him and learn from him. McDonaugh knew that Okafor wouldn’t be able to start, he knew Okafor was washed up and would never be the player he used to be, and certainly not the player he was drafted to be. But he didn’t care, he wanted Okafor for Len to learn from. To not make the same mistakes Okafor did, to develop his game after the way Okafor’s game was before the injuries, not to start but just to teach Len from the sidelines. But McDonaugh knew that Okafor wouldn’t be able to start just be there for Len to learn from, but he couldn’t start Len either because he was raw, so he went and got Miles Plumlee who is still young himself, but older than Len. He did that by trading Louis Scola to Pacers for Plumee, Gerald Green and a draft pick. Plumlee was thought to be a good backup career center, but surprise surprise he actually turned to be pretty good in the starting lineup. Okay not great, but still decent for a starting center. Much better than what he and the rest of the Suns expected. (In the future, once McDonaugh believes Len is fully developed and ready to start I expect him to replace Plumlee and start. Plumlee will probably then be traded to a team for assets, draft picks or just young players who can start alongside Bledsoe, Goodwin, and now Warren in the future. I expect the same thing to happen to Dragic when Goodwin is ready start full time. But I don’t expect Plumlee or Dragic to be dealt this offseason but probably 2-3 years down the road. Maybe 1 if on of the younger players is ready)

    Then he started his rebuild with young players who have bright futures, and solid veterans for each of the young players to learn from. The Suns starting lineup was Plumlee, Frye, Gerald Green, Dragic and Bledsoe. A lineup that most of us thought would struggle, and this team would have a high lottery pick. Well McDonaugh went out and got a superb coach in Jeff Hornacek, and quickly erased any kind of doubt we might have had about his team. That was definitely a suprise to me, but now I see why it worked. The Suns are built (or are going to be) much the Jazz were. A very young team with a bright future and solid veterans at every spot to help those young players develop. So the veterans would provide the solid leadership and the young guys would just fill in the missing spots. The only difference between the Suns and the Jazz is that the Suns are built with a steep learning curve. (Well maybe not that steep, the Jazz started their rebuild in 2010, with not even their own draft pick. Hayward was drafted with the 9th pick and that pick came from the Knicks. Then that year they dealt Deron Williams and got a draft pick from the Nets and Derrick Favors, which they used on Kanter, then with their own pick at 12 they got Burks. In 2012 they didn’t have a lottery pick or a pick in the first round, but in 2013 they just had their own pick at 14 and pick from the Warriors at 21, which they dealt both to get Trey Burke. So basically the Jazz built their young team with 2 high lottery picks that were not even their own, then the rest was just low lottery picks. The Suns did the same thing and got what is the expected result a team that almost made the playoffs) They Suns overachieved but no matter, this draft was deep and the Suns could still great talent at an allbeit low lottery selection and they had two more picks in the first round that weren’t even theirs to begin with! (The entire 2014 first round was basically players that all would be lottery level talent so the Suns really couldn’t wrong with the 14, 18th, and the 27th picks in this good of a draft.) Now realize this, McDonanough is building this team to last, meaning that the rebuild will take 2-3 years just as the Jazz’s rebuild has. It is not a fast rebuild. No matter how many picks the Suns have and nor does it matter if those picks are in extremely deep draft like 2014 was or in a normal draft. Stockpiling assets(picks) and talent is all just part of the process. 

    So onto the 18th pick of Tyler Ennis. Like I said, this team overachieved much to the surprise of everyone including the Suns themselves. So going into this draft McDonaugh probably had a different goal than what he expected to have. He expected to just stockpile talent like Hinkie did with the Sixers. But instead the Suns did so well that he just decided to build from there and this team would make the playoffs way ahead of schedule. So with the 18th pick he looked him team, and asked himself one question: How can I get from point A to point B or how can I get from a low lottery or basketball purgatory to young playoff team with promise? Well to answer he looked at his team and what happened during the course of the season. Well lets see they overachieved, they thought they were gonna make the playoffs, but just barely missed, but a key reason why that didn’t happen was because of injuries to both of his backcourt. Both Dragic and Bledsoe got hurt during the season forcing the Suns use young and inexperienced players in Ish Smith and Goodwin in the backcourt. Well of course that backcourt didn’t work and it cost the Suns some very costly games. McDonaugh asked himself how can I build on that season? Well, Goodwin, is young and talented. Very athletic, he just needs to develop and that will come especially with the help of Dragic. Maybe the SG is filled, but certainly not at SF, and PF. At Center, he has Len who is also young, and developing like Goodwin, and should learn well from Okafor as well as Plumlee. So Center is probably filled too. But look back at the backcourt again of Ish Smith and Goodwin. Ish Smith didn’t do a very good job of filling in for the injured Bledsoe or even Dragic. Well, okay he isn’t that good in the first place so he did the best he could but still not as good as Bledsoe or Dragic. So that cost the Suns some games and ultimately a playoff spot. 

    That’s the need the Suns had going into the draft. McDonaugh found it and capitalized on the excellent talent available in this draft. Now here’s why he selected Ennis over Napier. (Its very similar to what the Kings had to do) He had his goal: find a BACKUP point guard. He didn’t need a starting PG just a backup PG. He wasn’t gonna trash the team and try and start again from the ground up, so no Bledsoe does not leave the Suns and nor does Dragic for that matter. At least not right now, in the future (like 2-3 years down the road when McDonaugh believes Goodwin is fully developed he will probably trade Dragic but certainly not Bledsoe not even in two or 3 years.) The Suns just needed a backup PG. And that’s exactly what Ennis will be for the Suns backup PG that will be better than Ish Smith. Mission accomplished. Next year I bet the Suns get a PF in what is expected to be a very good bigman draft. They might not make the playoffs this year but they might surprise us and actually get there. If they don’t no worries, just select a PF in the lottery, keep the Morris twins as backup and veteran players to help that PF learn and develop, then they’ll be set and ready to make the playoffs a year or two ahead of schedule. If they do look like they look like they will make the playoffs, then I expect Dragic to be traded for a pick or 2 so Goodwin can start and continue his development (Phase 2 in otherwords). Then McDonaugh will select young, great talents with those 2 or 3 picks in the first round (his own, and one or 2 from another team in the Dragic trade) One will be a PF, and we will what the other one or two picks are. And, voila, the Suns make the playoffs year or 2 ahead of schedule. 

    When I wrote this post I didn’t think about it or even realize it but the Suns are built very similar to how the Jazz were built and are being built. Now I like the Suns even more! (Ok, not as much as the Jazz but still nice team and great idea!) Maybe that’s how Jeff Hornacek, a former Jazz assistant, got the head coaching job last year with the Suns. He just told McDonaugh that he thinks the Suns should be built like the Jazz are and are being built (Like the Spurs, since Dennis Lindsey, the Jazz’s GM is from the Spurs), and how he planned to do that with the players that McDonaugh would draft. And look at this the Jazz drafted Trey Burke last year, who is very comparable to Tyler Ennis. Both will probably be backups for the rest of their careers, but great 4th quarter clutch scorers who can get their team points when they need it the most. They are very cerebral players, and know how the team game of basketball works. They are both in the Western Conference and their is a fierce rivalry between the Jazz and the Suns. (ok maybe not as fierce as the Jazz and Lakers, but still a pretty good rivalry) I am excited to see Ennis go up against Burke. I read from a few ESPN analysts who said that Ennis was better than Burke in the long run, well now that Ennis is on the Suns, and the Suns and Jazz have quite a rivalry, I’d like to test that judgement and see who really is the better player. I’m excited to see how Burke and Ennis develop. Who’s the better player. This should be fun to watch!!

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #929098
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    Mopgrass
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    Bledsoe finally got the play time he deserves on a team that did surprisingly well. I think he’d want to stay.

    If LeBron actually went to the Rockets (doubt it), Parsons would be a possibility for the Lakers. However, even he wants to go to a championship team. It’s harder when you’re not on top.

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  • #928967
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    Mopgrass
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    Bledsoe finally got the play time he deserves on a team that did surprisingly well. I think he’d want to stay.

    If LeBron actually went to the Rockets (doubt it), Parsons would be a possibility for the Lakers. However, even he wants to go to a championship team. It’s harder when you’re not on top.

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