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  • #56571
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    Based on Pelton’s analysis of injuries like Embiid’s, his foot is in a pretty serious category. Its on ESPN, but I can’t post it because of spam filters

    So, I just realized how ‘serious’ Embiid’s injury was. I had heard that it was a broken foot, but this injury is fairly rare and has a high probability of reinjury.

    Brendon Haywood, Big Z, Kevin McHale, Bill Walton, and Yao Ming all struggled with the same injury. Each of them lost mobility when they came back. Big Z could not stay healthy and he did not rely on his athleticism.

    There is a chance that Embiid recovers completely and has a good career, but I’m not sure I would take Embiid with as much talent there is in this draft. I can’t speak for where I think Embiid would fall to, but if I’m the Celtics at 6, I’m taking Randle, Vonleh, Smart, Lavine, Gordon, Exum or Payton before I take Embiid.

    Forget about draft range for Embiid. Comment a team in the draft and ask yourself if you would rather have players that are available in that range or Embiid with his questionable back and serious foot injury. At some point the reward outweighs the risk, but where is that?

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  • #923233
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    Taylor Gang Mike
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     Michael Jordan also had the same surgery in his second season… I know hes smaller, but body types are different. We will see

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  • #923359
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    Taylor Gang Mike
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     Michael Jordan also had the same surgery in his second season… I know hes smaller, but body types are different. We will see

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  • #923237
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     It may seem crazy but I wouldn’t personally draft him until 10. I think up until the Celtics or Lakers at 6 or 7 you can still get a really good prospect like one of the 3 PFs and the Kings and Hornets at 8 and 9 both have good centers so don’t necessarily need to risk it. At 10, the Sixers can take that chance because they already had a top 3 pick. If he pans out he could be a dominating force next to Noel and if he doesn’t, well, you still have Noel. 

    I know this is old news but when you have a top 3 pick like Drummond falling to 9 and a top overall pick like Noel falling to 6 for what seem like much smaller issues than Embiid, you have to think it is possible he could have a major slide on draft night.

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  • #923363
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     It may seem crazy but I wouldn’t personally draft him until 10. I think up until the Celtics or Lakers at 6 or 7 you can still get a really good prospect like one of the 3 PFs and the Kings and Hornets at 8 and 9 both have good centers so don’t necessarily need to risk it. At 10, the Sixers can take that chance because they already had a top 3 pick. If he pans out he could be a dominating force next to Noel and if he doesn’t, well, you still have Noel. 

    I know this is old news but when you have a top 3 pick like Drummond falling to 9 and a top overall pick like Noel falling to 6 for what seem like much smaller issues than Embiid, you have to think it is possible he could have a major slide on draft night.

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  • #923239
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    While I agree with you that there are a few players I would pick in front of him and think he shouldn’t be top 3.

    However, saying you would pick Payton before Embid is stretch. No way I am passing on Embid if I am at 7-8 and picking Payton instead.

    Also, I wouldn’t pick Lavine in front of him. Lavine is a massive risk in himself, so it wouldn’t make many since to pass on Embid due to risk and then pick another player who has less potential but also a high level of risk.

    I see him falling to about 6 with Boston picking him. Exum, Smart, Wiggins, Parker Vonleh will go ahead of him I feel.

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  • #923365
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    While I agree with you that there are a few players I would pick in front of him and think he shouldn’t be top 3.

    However, saying you would pick Payton before Embid is stretch. No way I am passing on Embid if I am at 7-8 and picking Payton instead.

    Also, I wouldn’t pick Lavine in front of him. Lavine is a massive risk in himself, so it wouldn’t make many since to pass on Embid due to risk and then pick another player who has less potential but also a high level of risk.

    I see him falling to about 6 with Boston picking him. Exum, Smart, Wiggins, Parker Vonleh will go ahead of him I feel.

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  • #923245
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    All I know is, in the 20+ years I’ve been watching NBA basketball, these type of injuries tend to have a much worse effect on big guys. It usually takes them a lot longer to recover, if they DO end up fully recovering. I may not be a physician but I’m willing to bet it has something to do with the extra weight they put on their lower joints, knees, ankles and feet. Anyways, despite the injury, he seems like a super hard worker and great young man and I hope he’s able to get fully healthy and have a long career. I got a feeling he will.

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  • #923371
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    All I know is, in the 20+ years I’ve been watching NBA basketball, these type of injuries tend to have a much worse effect on big guys. It usually takes them a lot longer to recover, if they DO end up fully recovering. I may not be a physician but I’m willing to bet it has something to do with the extra weight they put on their lower joints, knees, ankles and feet. Anyways, despite the injury, he seems like a super hard worker and great young man and I hope he’s able to get fully healthy and have a long career. I got a feeling he will.

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  • #923249
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     The teams up the top of the draft were going to pick Embiid with the idea he was their center for 10 to 15 years.  So if he misses all of next season it should not matter.  Cleveland are trying to get to the playoffs, and they will have issues about signing players like Irving so help now is important, but the Bucks and 76ers can draft someone and wait.

    The Bucks will need time to sort out their roster and some of their longer contracts.  The 76ers would lose a first round pick if they made the playoffs next year.  Either team should get Embiid, and the Bucks could get some money and a bunch of second round picks by moving to third if the 76ers want to get to pick 2.  Then again, the 76ers could just sit where they are and get out of the draft with Embiid and Randle, and in five years might have the best group of players in the paint, with Noel too.

    Everyone can find point guards, so a team picking Marcus Smart over the potential of Embiid might be making a mistake.  Wiggins and Parker were worth picking over a healthy Embiid, but maybe no other players in the draft are worth picking over Embiid and his bad foot.

    Len and Noel and their injuries made last year’s draft very interesting and unpredictable, now Embiid could be the very high pick or a very big slider.  For me, every team from 3 onwards should pick Embiid.  Although last year I was shocked a bunch of times as teams didn’t pick Noel.

     

     

     

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    • #923451
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      76ers are taking a bigger risk not taking Embid if they dont/cant trade up for Wiggins, assuming Wiggins is their guy. Number 3 isn’t an impact player lock, by any means.  Look at all these top 3 picks and tell me Joel isn’t worth the gamble. 

      2009- #2 Memphis Thabeet

      2010-#2 Philly Turner

                #3 New Jersey Favors

      2011- #2 Minny Williams

                #3 Utah Kanter

      2012- Jury still out

      2013- Case Closed 

      Medical risk is obviously first and foremost, but these dudes were healthy busts (relative to pick number expectation) and Embid grades out at an All-Star along with AW and JP. 

      Passing on Embid at #3, whoever ends up with it, has a much greater chance to be the next Sam Bowie than any of the ones listed above. 

       

       

       

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    • #923324
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      76ers are taking a bigger risk not taking Embid if they dont/cant trade up for Wiggins, assuming Wiggins is their guy. Number 3 isn’t an impact player lock, by any means.  Look at all these top 3 picks and tell me Joel isn’t worth the gamble. 

      2009- #2 Memphis Thabeet

      2010-#2 Philly Turner

                #3 New Jersey Favors

      2011- #2 Minny Williams

                #3 Utah Kanter

      2012- Jury still out

      2013- Case Closed 

      Medical risk is obviously first and foremost, but these dudes were healthy busts (relative to pick number expectation) and Embid grades out at an All-Star along with AW and JP. 

      Passing on Embid at #3, whoever ends up with it, has a much greater chance to be the next Sam Bowie than any of the ones listed above. 

       

       

       

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  • #923375
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     The teams up the top of the draft were going to pick Embiid with the idea he was their center for 10 to 15 years.  So if he misses all of next season it should not matter.  Cleveland are trying to get to the playoffs, and they will have issues about signing players like Irving so help now is important, but the Bucks and 76ers can draft someone and wait.

    The Bucks will need time to sort out their roster and some of their longer contracts.  The 76ers would lose a first round pick if they made the playoffs next year.  Either team should get Embiid, and the Bucks could get some money and a bunch of second round picks by moving to third if the 76ers want to get to pick 2.  Then again, the 76ers could just sit where they are and get out of the draft with Embiid and Randle, and in five years might have the best group of players in the paint, with Noel too.

    Everyone can find point guards, so a team picking Marcus Smart over the potential of Embiid might be making a mistake.  Wiggins and Parker were worth picking over a healthy Embiid, but maybe no other players in the draft are worth picking over Embiid and his bad foot.

    Len and Noel and their injuries made last year’s draft very interesting and unpredictable, now Embiid could be the very high pick or a very big slider.  For me, every team from 3 onwards should pick Embiid.  Although last year I was shocked a bunch of times as teams didn’t pick Noel.

     

     

     

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  • #923253
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    I don’t think think he falls past the Celtics at 6, assuming they keep the pick. They don’t have a true center on the roster, and with 9 first rounders in the next five drafts, they can afford to take a risk.

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  • #923379
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    I don’t think think he falls past the Celtics at 6, assuming they keep the pick. They don’t have a true center on the roster, and with 9 first rounders in the next five drafts, they can afford to take a risk.

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