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- Posted on: Fri, 06/20/2014 - 8:34am #56550
Andrew1984ParticipantOver the past week, I’ve heard at least three sports radio personalities and commentators say something to the effect of, “A year ago everyone said this was the most loaded draft in years, but look at it now! There’s not even a clear-cut No. 1 pick! How overrated! All that hype and there’s not even a guy standing out!”
What a completely asinine statement. The fact that there are several players under consideration for the top pick is a compliment of this class, not an indictment of it!
Granted, this was before the Embiid surgery, but look at what three actual NBA scouts said about it:
http://msn.foxsports.com/ohio/story/nba-scouts-offer-skinny-on-draft-s-top-prospects-061714
They were saying that the issue isn’t that there is no No. 1 pick, so it’s between a few different players; the issue is that there are a few different players WORTHY of the No. 1 pick!
I also HATE hearing something along the lines of, “I’ve never heard of these foreign guys! These international guys never amount to anything!”
Yeah, I know Yaraslev Korolev and Nikkolai Tschitkivili were busts, but let’s see, Tony Parker, Dirk Nowitzki, the Gasols, Ginobili, Serge Ibaka, Ricky Rubio, Nik Batum, Marcin Gortat, Jonas Valanciunas, Bargnani, Nik Vuvecic, Goran Dragic….I’d say they’ve amounted to something.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 06/20/2014 - 8:53am #922938
delfamParticipantVucevic isn’t really a international player considering he played in the States.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 06/20/2014 - 8:53am #922812
delfamParticipantVucevic isn’t really a international player considering he played in the States.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 06/20/2014 - 9:14am #922957
tuck243ParticipantAlso, as it currently stands. Taking a foreign player Top 5 haven’t been a good move in the last 10 years.
To be fair, the only player on that list that was drafted within the Top 5 (the last 10 years) that I’ll consider good is Jonas. The rest have been extremely overrated.
I’m not saying both are mutually exclusive, but for the most part taking a foreign player so high at a young age hasn’t yield results like you would think.
That’s why taking Exum in the top 3 is a huge risk. Not only does he have that going against him, he also didn’t play against D-1 college level talent. Outside of exhibition type games (I’m sorry 4 games in the world championships isn’t enough, add to the fact he didn’t play well vs. the USA) Huge risk…
There are risks in every draft no matter where a player is from, but its something worth noting…
0 - Posted on: Fri, 06/20/2014 - 9:14am #922830
tuck243ParticipantAlso, as it currently stands. Taking a foreign player Top 5 haven’t been a good move in the last 10 years.
To be fair, the only player on that list that was drafted within the Top 5 (the last 10 years) that I’ll consider good is Jonas. The rest have been extremely overrated.
I’m not saying both are mutually exclusive, but for the most part taking a foreign player so high at a young age hasn’t yield results like you would think.
That’s why taking Exum in the top 3 is a huge risk. Not only does he have that going against him, he also didn’t play against D-1 college level talent. Outside of exhibition type games (I’m sorry 4 games in the world championships isn’t enough, add to the fact he didn’t play well vs. the USA) Huge risk…
There are risks in every draft no matter where a player is from, but its something worth noting…
0- Posted on: Fri, 06/20/2014 - 11:38am #922960
diegof12ParticipantUsually for an international player, people don´t consider players who came to the states to play for college, but I think you can make an argument.
For example Andrew Bogut drafted 1st in 2006, who came solenmly to play basketball in college.
Also there is at least a two examples that come to mind Top 5 in the last 10 years who haven’t been a bust Ricky Rubio 5th in 2009 and Jonas Valanciunas 5th in 2011.
Alex Len drafted 5th in 2013 is also another example of a player who only came to play college in the US, I would say that can be considered international. He might be a contributer to a team in the future too
0 - Posted on: Fri, 06/20/2014 - 11:38am #923087
diegof12ParticipantUsually for an international player, people don´t consider players who came to the states to play for college, but I think you can make an argument.
For example Andrew Bogut drafted 1st in 2006, who came solenmly to play basketball in college.
Also there is at least a two examples that come to mind Top 5 in the last 10 years who haven’t been a bust Ricky Rubio 5th in 2009 and Jonas Valanciunas 5th in 2011.
Alex Len drafted 5th in 2013 is also another example of a player who only came to play college in the US, I would say that can be considered international. He might be a contributer to a team in the future too
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- Posted on: Fri, 06/20/2014 - 9:56am #922977
Toronto16ParticipantI totally agreed with you on the international thing until you said Bargnani lol.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 06/20/2014 - 9:56am #922851
Toronto16ParticipantI totally agreed with you on the international thing until you said Bargnani lol.
0- Posted on: Fri, 06/20/2014 - 10:44am #922902
Andrew1984ParticipantThe guy was a 20 points a game scorer in the NBA. I never said he was a Hall of Famer but he certainly wasn’t Jan Vesely.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 06/20/2014 - 10:44am #923029
Andrew1984ParticipantThe guy was a 20 points a game scorer in the NBA. I never said he was a Hall of Famer but he certainly wasn’t Jan Vesely.
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- Posted on: Fri, 06/20/2014 - 10:33am #922882
Memphis MadnessParticipantNo Shaq, Duncan, or LeBron at number 1.
BUT, this is a GREAT draft to be at 2, 3, 4, and 5.
In the mid-first round there are still rotation guys and maybe even a core guy or two.
Then in the late first round there are some solid guys who can definitely help fill out a rotation. So a team like the Heat, Thunder, or Spurs could get the extra guy that they need. Don’t forget about the Clippers at 28. Maybe those guys are one guy away… Great draft for teams like that.
Then the whole second round can be used on guys to fill out your roster.
Some international guys pan out, some don’t. Other than Exum and Saric I wouldn’t count on the International guys or the Euro Stash guys. And, I haven’t even seen Exum and Saric play so they might not be that hot either.
I think the second round is better for American talent than overseas talent…. just a DEEP draft this year for your USA/Canadian guys. I guess Thanassis counts as a Euro guy (or not), even though he played in the D League. I too am worried about having these guys’ games translate to the NBA. But, the Spurification of the NBA means that these styles are converging.
I think it would be a better idea to go after international guys in drafts that aren’t as deep as this one. OR, only take the Euro Stash pick if he FALLS to you. Don’t reach. Then if you have a late second round pick, maybe look at a guy to keep overseas for a couple of years.
But me? I would rather take an American kid or a Canadian high school kid with a Euro-style game over some YouTube wonder.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 06/20/2014 - 10:33am #923009
Memphis MadnessParticipantNo Shaq, Duncan, or LeBron at number 1.
BUT, this is a GREAT draft to be at 2, 3, 4, and 5.
In the mid-first round there are still rotation guys and maybe even a core guy or two.
Then in the late first round there are some solid guys who can definitely help fill out a rotation. So a team like the Heat, Thunder, or Spurs could get the extra guy that they need. Don’t forget about the Clippers at 28. Maybe those guys are one guy away… Great draft for teams like that.
Then the whole second round can be used on guys to fill out your roster.
Some international guys pan out, some don’t. Other than Exum and Saric I wouldn’t count on the International guys or the Euro Stash guys. And, I haven’t even seen Exum and Saric play so they might not be that hot either.
I think the second round is better for American talent than overseas talent…. just a DEEP draft this year for your USA/Canadian guys. I guess Thanassis counts as a Euro guy (or not), even though he played in the D League. I too am worried about having these guys’ games translate to the NBA. But, the Spurification of the NBA means that these styles are converging.
I think it would be a better idea to go after international guys in drafts that aren’t as deep as this one. OR, only take the Euro Stash pick if he FALLS to you. Don’t reach. Then if you have a late second round pick, maybe look at a guy to keep overseas for a couple of years.
But me? I would rather take an American kid or a Canadian high school kid with a Euro-style game over some YouTube wonder.
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