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  • #54627
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    OhCanada-
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     This forum is supported by great basketball minds which leads to very interesting basketball topics and information. Although I have always noticed trends and phases.

    Like Biyambo being the next Ben Wallace…

    What are some consensus beliefs youve noticed in this forum.

    Jabari Parker is extremely underrated; athletically, defensively and with overall potential.

    Posters compare players to other players with similar looks, and or body types way to often. Like Aaron Gordon-Blake Griffin. 

    Kyle Anderson gets almost no respect. The guy is 6’9 230 at least and he gets called slow for not moving like a gaurd. At the very least he will be as versatile as Boris Diaw in his prime. He may not be a superstar but he will definitely be a great glue guy. His game has no holes other then his lack of elite athletisism which makes for a mismatch on d, although I think he can settle in at SF where he will be fine on defense.

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  • #884511
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    Magic Jordan
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    I agree with what you say. Great basketball minds on this site especially considering for most of us this is just a hobby.  Very cerebral and intuitive thinkers here who really know their stuff.  Aside from that everybody seems to get along for the most part and at worst usually simply respectfully disagree…. As I am about to do with you :).  Also I haven’t seen an instance of trolldum that I can speak of.  I had never been part of an online community but after reading everyone on here I couldn’t help myself. And I’m glad I did.

     

    I actually think one of young Diaws strengths aside from his versatility on offense was his deceptive quickness for someone his size and position. He could guard multiple positions on the floor and was usually a mismatch at the 4. Of course that was before everyone went to stretch 4s.  

     

    It will be interesting because they are very comparable from a skills standpoint though I think Anderson is better than Diaw with the ball in his hands. I just can’t recall someone that unathletic being successful in the league. But then again I have never seen a player like Anderson.  His Athletic comparison is maybe Dirk? That’s the only person I can think of who is similarly unathletic hut extremely effective. They obviously play nothing alike but its really hard to think of a player like Kyle athletic wise.

     

     

     

     

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  • #884624
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    Magic Jordan
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    I agree with what you say. Great basketball minds on this site especially considering for most of us this is just a hobby.  Very cerebral and intuitive thinkers here who really know their stuff.  Aside from that everybody seems to get along for the most part and at worst usually simply respectfully disagree…. As I am about to do with you :).  Also I haven’t seen an instance of trolldum that I can speak of.  I had never been part of an online community but after reading everyone on here I couldn’t help myself. And I’m glad I did.

     

    I actually think one of young Diaws strengths aside from his versatility on offense was his deceptive quickness for someone his size and position. He could guard multiple positions on the floor and was usually a mismatch at the 4. Of course that was before everyone went to stretch 4s.  

     

    It will be interesting because they are very comparable from a skills standpoint though I think Anderson is better than Diaw with the ball in his hands. I just can’t recall someone that unathletic being successful in the league. But then again I have never seen a player like Anderson.  His Athletic comparison is maybe Dirk? That’s the only person I can think of who is similarly unathletic hut extremely effective. They obviously play nothing alike but its really hard to think of a player like Kyle athletic wise.

     

     

     

     

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  • #884517
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    OhCanada-
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     Thats what I mean. I dont think he is as unathletic as people say. Watching him play he isnt as unathletic as Dirk cmon man. Lol. People act as if this is Mike Sweetney or Eddy Curry and he is fat and cant play ball because everybody else is faster, stronyer and more explosive. I want to see his combine results I bet his vert is like 33, 34.

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  • #884630
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    OhCanada-
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     Thats what I mean. I dont think he is as unathletic as people say. Watching him play he isnt as unathletic as Dirk cmon man. Lol. People act as if this is Mike Sweetney or Eddy Curry and he is fat and cant play ball because everybody else is faster, stronyer and more explosive. I want to see his combine results I bet his vert is like 33, 34.

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  • #884521
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    For_Never_Ever
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     I see more Jalen Rose with a pretty good jumper with Kyle Anderson.

    I think the Gordan and Griffin comparison is being overstated to be honest. Majority of the posters caught on pretty quickly when he got in college. That he is nothing like Blake Griffin. Even before he entered college a lot the guys were bringing up the only thing they have in common is skin color including myself. It was and is a novice fan comparison.

    The Biyambo being the next Ben Wallace comparison, I could be wrong. However, I remeber only the Admin for the site was mainly very high on him, and a lot users were calling him out on it. Also I think it was a kinda a little uproar posters were saying he shouldn’t be ranked so high just from the Nike Summit.

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  • #884634
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    For_Never_Ever
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     I see more Jalen Rose with a pretty good jumper with Kyle Anderson.

    I think the Gordan and Griffin comparison is being overstated to be honest. Majority of the posters caught on pretty quickly when he got in college. That he is nothing like Blake Griffin. Even before he entered college a lot the guys were bringing up the only thing they have in common is skin color including myself. It was and is a novice fan comparison.

    The Biyambo being the next Ben Wallace comparison, I could be wrong. However, I remeber only the Admin for the site was mainly very high on him, and a lot users were calling him out on it. Also I think it was a kinda a little uproar posters were saying he shouldn’t be ranked so high just from the Nike Summit.

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  • #884525
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    For_Never_Ever
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     The comparison that gets used the most from this site more then users for a undersized SG or combo guards is Dwayne Wade. 

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    • #885344
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      Jr. ROXAS
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      Or Tony Allen lol

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    • #885232
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      Jr. ROXAS
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      Or Tony Allen lol

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  • #884638
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    For_Never_Ever
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     The comparison that gets used the most from this site more then users for a undersized SG or combo guards is Dwayne Wade. 

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  • #884529
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    Russell0Westbrook
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     I believe any team that is smart enough to pick Anderson they will be very happy to have a player like him. While not being a star he will be someone who can be trusted with the ball from day 1. I will say if someone takes him and tries to change his game he will be a bust and fringe player ala Earl Clark

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    • #884763
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      Magic Jordan
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      I ask you then out of all the teams, lottery or not which team is going to give Kyle Anderson the ball and let him create as much as he was able to in college. His skills are condusive to having the ball in his hands and that just won’t happen in the league. Will he be able to break full court pressure? Doubt it. He has 8 seconds to get the ball across the line he can’t use the Sam Cassell, Mark Jackson, Gary Payton method of backing down a player the whole way up the court.

      As most of you know its not offense but who will he guard on the other end? 

      I guess I just don’t see the appeal that most others do.  Simply put he won’t have the ball in his hands enough to be effective.  It would be a blessing if he has Earl Clark’s athletic abilities but he is more McDermott then Clark athletically.

       

       

       

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    • #884651
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      Magic Jordan
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      I ask you then out of all the teams, lottery or not which team is going to give Kyle Anderson the ball and let him create as much as he was able to in college. His skills are condusive to having the ball in his hands and that just won’t happen in the league. Will he be able to break full court pressure? Doubt it. He has 8 seconds to get the ball across the line he can’t use the Sam Cassell, Mark Jackson, Gary Payton method of backing down a player the whole way up the court.

      As most of you know its not offense but who will he guard on the other end? 

      I guess I just don’t see the appeal that most others do.  Simply put he won’t have the ball in his hands enough to be effective.  It would be a blessing if he has Earl Clark’s athletic abilities but he is more McDermott then Clark athletically.

       

       

       

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  • #884642
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    Russell0Westbrook
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     I believe any team that is smart enough to pick Anderson they will be very happy to have a player like him. While not being a star he will be someone who can be trusted with the ball from day 1. I will say if someone takes him and tries to change his game he will be a bust and fringe player ala Earl Clark

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  • #884537
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    Mopgrass
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    Someone on here suggested he go to the Pistons. I think that’d be a good move. He could play SF, handle the ball a lot, and hit the 3 ball.

    He cannot be a PG for athletic purposes. Let’s be clear, he’s not just slow for a PG, he’s pretty slow for a SF.

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    • #884541
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      King Calucha
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      It sounds like a major disaster if you expect him to play off the ball like his freshman year at UCLA. He needs the ball in his hands. He is a PG offensively, even if he’s assigned a different position defensively.

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      • #884565
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        Mopgrass
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        Yes, that’s what I meant by “handle the ball a lot.”

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      • #884678
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        Mopgrass
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        Yes, that’s what I meant by “handle the ball a lot.”

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    • #884654
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      King Calucha
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      It sounds like a major disaster if you expect him to play off the ball like his freshman year at UCLA. He needs the ball in his hands. He is a PG offensively, even if he’s assigned a different position defensively.

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  • #884650
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    Someone on here suggested he go to the Pistons. I think that’d be a good move. He could play SF, handle the ball a lot, and hit the 3 ball.

    He cannot be a PG for athletic purposes. Let’s be clear, he’s not just slow for a PG, he’s pretty slow for a SF.

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  • #884547
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     "Oh he’s shorter then 6’3 combo guard who cant shoot? Dwyane Wade it is!"

    "A white Euro big who can shoot? Dirk Nowitski no doubt!"

    "6’6" sharp shooter? How will he not be Ray Allen?!?!"

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    • #884769
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      King Calucha
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      Also, white sharp shooters are usually compared to Kyle Korver or JJ Reddick.

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    • #884657
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      King Calucha
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      Also, white sharp shooters are usually compared to Kyle Korver or JJ Reddick.

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      • #884804
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        Phogify
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         Yeah, I don’t understand the McDermott-Korver comparison. McDermott is more than a shooter.

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      • #884691
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        Phogify
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         Yeah, I don’t understand the McDermott-Korver comparison. McDermott is more than a shooter.

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        • #885300
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          The Q
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           Korver is the one who is more than a shooter. There’s a great scientific study out there about the best 3 and D guys and korver scored #1. 

          McDermott is lead footed, weak, and relies far too much on his height advantage. 

           

           

           

           

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        • #885411
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           Korver is the one who is more than a shooter. There’s a great scientific study out there about the best 3 and D guys and korver scored #1. 

          McDermott is lead footed, weak, and relies far too much on his height advantage. 

           

           

           

           

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  • #884660
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     "Oh he’s shorter then 6’3 combo guard who cant shoot? Dwyane Wade it is!"

    "A white Euro big who can shoot? Dirk Nowitski no doubt!"

    "6’6" sharp shooter? How will he not be Ray Allen?!?!"

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #884551
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    It seems that a weakness for least 80% of high schoolers coming out of college is that they are "too skinny" and will need to put on muscle to compete at the next level.

    2 things –

    1) Well duh…Thats called growing. I guess these same people will take credit for the player when he inevidibly adds a few pounds as he ages into his 20’s.

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    2) Secondly, the following greats were skinny: Kareem, Durant, KG, Hakeem, Bosh, T-Mac, Stockton, Isiah Thomas, Ray Allen, Reggie Miller, Steph Curry, Mutumbo, Iverson, Nash

    Being slim has little to no impact on whether a player can succeed at the next level. It’s not a strongman contest! It’s a game of basketball. 

    Any posters that say a prospects weakness is that he’s too skinny in the future gets negged!

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  • #884664
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    Rip255

    It seems that a weakness for least 80% of high schoolers coming out of college is that they are "too skinny" and will need to put on muscle to compete at the next level.

    2 things –

    1) Well duh…Thats called growing. I guess these same people will take credit for the player when he inevidibly adds a few pounds as he ages into his 20’s.

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    2) Secondly, the following greats were skinny: Kareem, Durant, KG, Hakeem, Bosh, T-Mac, Stockton, Isiah Thomas, Ray Allen, Reggie Miller, Steph Curry, Mutumbo, Iverson, Nash

    Being slim has little to no impact on whether a player can succeed at the next level. It’s not a strongman contest! It’s a game of basketball. 

    Any posters that say a prospects weakness is that he’s too skinny in the future gets negged!

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  • #884561
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    SmooveKRYPT
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     Big point guards (6’4) and up get automatic hype on this site.

    Same goes for Kentucky’s new PG every year…

     

     

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  • #884674
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    SmooveKRYPT
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     Big point guards (6’4) and up get automatic hype on this site.

    Same goes for Kentucky’s new PG every year…

     

     

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  • #884605
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     TJ Warren averaged about 3 posts a day at one point…take a guess around what time of the year.

    Sean Kilpatrick same as the above….but I like his game way more, but still these 2 almost ran the site at one point it felt like.

    "He needs to put on muscle…too skinny" is very popular not only on this site, but everywhere. Anyone who says that should just look at Anthony Davis after 2 years in the league, and number of other guys that completely transform their body once it becomes their full time job and actually learn about nutrition.

    The skinny thing is really quiet mind boggling to me, b/c I know a fair amount of very talented players coming from Seattle and I am very into fitness/lifting., and their lack of knowledge on the matter is less than zilch, and their care for that knowledge is even lower, b/c at the time all they care about is their basketball skills and enhancing those.

    For example, Tony Wroten looks "fit" but he is very thin himself and really hadn’t seen the inside of a weight room or know wtf to eat (he loves candy) until now in the NBA.  Although, still not a huge percentage take it seriously and really utlize all the trainers and such, but honestly these players don’t give a care to nutrition or anything but their basketball skills until the NBA.

    A couple other examples of players who have relatively transformed (added muscle or bulk) are Brandon Knight, still thin but definitely is working at it.  And Steph Curry doesn’t even look like the same guy, and along w/ Klay Thompson…who I swear to god was skinner than me when he attended WSU.  These players have all the knowledge in the world about basketball, but rarely know a lick about nutrition or adding weight.  It”s actually pretty cool seeing that development.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    • #884861
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      Sabdiego12345678
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      every post ive seen of yours has something negative about warren in it… i know i post mainly about him but thats because i am a huge state fan 

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    • #884973
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      every post ive seen of yours has something negative about warren in it… i know i post mainly about him but thats because i am a huge state fan 

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  • #884717
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    drice4life1753
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     TJ Warren averaged about 3 posts a day at one point…take a guess around what time of the year.

    Sean Kilpatrick same as the above….but I like his game way more, but still these 2 almost ran the site at one point it felt like.

    "He needs to put on muscle…too skinny" is very popular not only on this site, but everywhere. Anyone who says that should just look at Anthony Davis after 2 years in the league, and number of other guys that completely transform their body once it becomes their full time job and actually learn about nutrition.

    The skinny thing is really quiet mind boggling to me, b/c I know a fair amount of very talented players coming from Seattle and I am very into fitness/lifting., and their lack of knowledge on the matter is less than zilch, and their care for that knowledge is even lower, b/c at the time all they care about is their basketball skills and enhancing those.

    For example, Tony Wroten looks "fit" but he is very thin himself and really hadn’t seen the inside of a weight room or know wtf to eat (he loves candy) until now in the NBA.  Although, still not a huge percentage take it seriously and really utlize all the trainers and such, but honestly these players don’t give a care to nutrition or anything but their basketball skills until the NBA.

    A couple other examples of players who have relatively transformed (added muscle or bulk) are Brandon Knight, still thin but definitely is working at it.  And Steph Curry doesn’t even look like the same guy, and along w/ Klay Thompson…who I swear to god was skinner than me when he attended WSU.  These players have all the knowledge in the world about basketball, but rarely know a lick about nutrition or adding weight.  It”s actually pretty cool seeing that development.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #884611
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     My biggest pet peave is someone watching a youtube video and thinking they have a player pegged, despite never seeing them play in a game. It’s pretty evident when a guy is talking about someone they’ve never actually seen play in a game scenario.

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    • #884737
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      Chrispy
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       Everything you said is right on, but I’ll add to it. I can’t stand ‘mixtape hype’. Well, guys got a great mixtape- he HAS to be great. Often if you actually watch these guys play real, full games you see that they are just that- HYPE. Not always, but often.

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    • #884625
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       Everything you said is right on, but I’ll add to it. I can’t stand ‘mixtape hype’. Well, guys got a great mixtape- he HAS to be great. Often if you actually watch these guys play real, full games you see that they are just that- HYPE. Not always, but often.

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  • #884723
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    JoeWolf1

     My biggest pet peave is someone watching a youtube video and thinking they have a player pegged, despite never seeing them play in a game. It’s pretty evident when a guy is talking about someone they’ve never actually seen play in a game scenario.

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  • #884743
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     Vs good competition. College game is drastically different from pro. Some guys score more in the L than they do in college for obvious reasons. One on one more, spacing, playing the correct position. It is obvious when posters make comments without assessing those changes in the pro game. Age is a factor as well. Guys shoot better after 3 years of NBA play. Every guard has a low fg perfentage year 1 in the NBA. All those things have to be considered in evaluating a prospect. Some people can watch a guy often and still cant figure out what skills will make them a better pro. Playing basketball still does not make a good evaluator of talent if you dont look for the right things.

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  • #884631
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     Vs good competition. College game is drastically different from pro. Some guys score more in the L than they do in college for obvious reasons. One on one more, spacing, playing the correct position. It is obvious when posters make comments without assessing those changes in the pro game. Age is a factor as well. Guys shoot better after 3 years of NBA play. Every guard has a low fg perfentage year 1 in the NBA. All those things have to be considered in evaluating a prospect. Some people can watch a guy often and still cant figure out what skills will make them a better pro. Playing basketball still does not make a good evaluator of talent if you dont look for the right things.

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  • #884824
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    I like to compare current players to guys I have never seen before.

    Marcus Smart: The next Michael Ray Richardson!

    Jabari Parker: Can you say Bernard King 2.0!

    If Ralph Sampson had a slightly shorter son named Joel Embiid, his name would be JOEL EMBIID!

    If I know one thing, Julius Randle is the next Gus Johnson.  Meet your new power forward, Baltimore Bullets!

    If Creighton McDuggets isn’t the next Arnie Risen, I don’t know a dad-gum thing!

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  • #884712
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    Memphis Madness
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    I like to compare current players to guys I have never seen before.

    Marcus Smart: The next Michael Ray Richardson!

    Jabari Parker: Can you say Bernard King 2.0!

    If Ralph Sampson had a slightly shorter son named Joel Embiid, his name would be JOEL EMBIID!

    If I know one thing, Julius Randle is the next Gus Johnson.  Meet your new power forward, Baltimore Bullets!

    If Creighton McDuggets isn’t the next Arnie Risen, I don’t know a dad-gum thing!

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    • #884844
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      King Calucha
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      I just gave you a +1 because it’s always good to think outside the box. The first 2 comparison look OK.

      The last 3, not so much. Sampson and Gus Johnson had a solid midrange game, something Embiid and Randle haven’t been able to display at the collegiate level. Also… Arnie Risen? haha the 3pt shot (which is one of Dougie’s strengths) didn’t even exist at the time.

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    • #884732
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      King Calucha
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      I just gave you a +1 because it’s always good to think outside the box. The first 2 comparison look OK.

      The last 3, not so much. Sampson and Gus Johnson had a solid midrange game, something Embiid and Randle haven’t been able to display at the collegiate level. Also… Arnie Risen? haha the 3pt shot (which is one of Dougie’s strengths) didn’t even exist at the time.

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